Pearlshop prices arent to high

Lord.Bachus

if i see how much people are currently spending, then they hit the nail on the head with their pearlshop prices..

i am part of a casuall dutch guild, and i think the average money spend in the pearlshop since it went live must have been atleast €50..  So i would guess for release those prices are good, as people are definately spending money..

normally i dont spend any money in a cash shop at all.., but with thuis game i am currently considering spending money on one or two extra pets....



anyway, with people spending so much money on expensive virtuall gear, commercially Daum hit a homerun last week, over the long run, i guess they will have to lower prices quite a bit when the newgame rush leaves of and the game turns into just a great game...  But for now they where right with their prices, a huge part of the gaming community is willing to spend big money in their game.  ( which is not really a surprise with all the goldsellers making a living on this in other games)

mgilbrtsn

If people don't buy, they'll lower the prices.  In this, the community has power if they choose.

holdenhamlet

I'm not sure why you're saying that people are spending 50 bucks on average on the cash shop alone is a good thing.

It sets a bad precedent and if it is as successful as you say, future MMOs will also greatly encourage you to spend 50 bucks on top of a box price in the cash shop when you start.

It's akin to a single player game with day 1 DLC.  Pretty shitty imo.

And it's hard to tell if it was a good move or not.  It's tough to calculate how much money they lost from people unwilling to buy into their pricing model (like me).

Lord.Bachus

holdenhamlet said:

I'm not sure why you're saying that people are spending 50 bucks on average on the cash shop alone is a good thing.

It sets a bad precedent and if it is as successful as you say, future MMOs will also greatly encourage you to spend 50 bucks on top of a box price in the cash shop when you start.

It's akin to a single player game with day 1 DLC.  Pretty shitty imo.

And it's hard to tell if it was a good move or not.  It's tough to calculate how much money they lost from people unwilling to buy into their pricing model (like me).

I am not saying its a good thing

i am saying it is a fact

holdenhamlet

Well I wouldn't describe it as "hitting a homerun".  More like "charging 5 dollars for a bottle of soda at a movie theater just because they can and some people will pay that much".

It's just greed and like I said, I'm not sure it will pay off for them in the long run.

Lord.Bachus

holdenhamlet said:

Well I wouldn't describe it as "hitting a homerun".  More like "charging 5 dollars for a bottle of soda at a movie theater just because they can and some people will pay that much".

It's just greed and like I said, I'm not sure it will pay off for them in the long run.

ITs not greed....

IF you can someone make 5 dolars for a glass of water, and they feel happy about it, then its marketing...


as said, profits are mostly made off the bat, for the long run, they need to change their prices for sure, but this week they made a huge amount of money, by nexy week they need to start with other stuff to keep people interested in the game for the long run and interested in buying stuff for the long run...


Lets hope they can stay away from the pay to winish stuff...  because so far, thats the only thing that kept games alive over the long run...


As much as i like the game i still dislike cash shops, for reasons as described above, their current payment model is in the here and now, and there is no reason for them to push the game forward in the future..   

H0urg1ass

Jean-Luc_Picard said:

I got the $100 package so I don't need to spend money... I bought some comfort bank space with the 2500 pearls included in it, but I definitely could have lived without it.

Wait, is this another slotted inventory game where you can put either 25 different items weighing as much as a butterfly wing or 25 full plate armor chest pieces in your pack and either one of them will fill it up?  

Or does it have the minimal intelligence to give every item in the game weight and have packs that carry by weight instead of imaginary slot pockets that can only hold one "type" of anything?

holdenhamlet

Lord.Bachus said:

holdenhamlet said:

Well I wouldn't describe it as "hitting a homerun".  More like "charging 5 dollars for a bottle of soda at a movie theater just because they can and some people will pay that much".

It's just greed and like I said, I'm not sure it will pay off for them in the long run.

ITs not greed....

IF you can someone make 5 dolars for a glass of water, and they feel happy about it, then its marketing...


as said, profits are mostly made off the bat, for the long run, they need to change their prices for sure, but this week they made a huge amount of money, by nexy week they need to start with other stuff to keep people interested in the game for the long run and interested in buying stuff for the long run...


Lets hope they can stay away from the pay to winish stuff...  because so far, thats the only thing that kept games alive over the long run...


As much as i like the game i still dislike cash shops, for reasons as described above, their current payment model is in the here and now, and there is no reason for them to push the game forward in the future..   

I'm not sure anyone ever feels good about paying 5 bucks for a glass of water.  They do it because they feel pressured to or just plain need to.

edit: Actually, I guess some people do feel good about it in this game.  They want to support the game and the concept, which I can understand I guess.

However, like I said in other threads, I wouldn't be happy but I would be OK with their aggressive cash shop only if they guaranteed no p2w.  They've only guaranteed that until after launch phase, unfortunately.

Don't get me wrong it's not like the worst payment model I've ever seen, it's just pretty bad, and unlike you I'm not totally sure it's the way to go.  Yes they are making extra money off people that bought the game, but how many didn't buy the game to begin with because of the shop?  There's no way to tell.

Ramajama

H0urg1ass said:

Jean-Luc_Picard said:

I got the $100 package so I don't need to spend money... I bought some comfort bank space with the 2500 pearls included in it, but I definitely could have lived without it.

Wait, is this another slotted inventory game where you can put either 25 different items weighing as much as a butterfly wing or 25 full plate armor chest pieces in your pack and either one of them will fill it up?  

Or does it have the minimal intelligence to give every item in the game weight and have packs that carry by weight instead of imaginary slot pockets that can only hold one "type" of anything?

AFAIK,  even money has weight in this game

Cleffy

Right now the cash shop isn't too bad. From what I see its all cosmetic, home furnishings, or  faster leveling speed. When they start adding in the +stat items then I would be concerned.
When you are releasing just cosmetic stuff, it runs out sooner or later. So they will either be adding +stat type things or even more cosmetics.
From a publishing standpoint, I think its best to only have cosmetics and easier leveling in a cash shop. Expect $5 a month from a player with a maximum of $50. Anymore than $50 and you are being too greedy and burning out the player interest.

Wizardry

Haha ..people don't spend money based on logic and seldom ever do.They will be spending because pvp is p2w even the game is p2w.You want to upgrade everything to +15 and +5 you'll be spending because doing it yourself for free will take forever.I remember a while a go some site had posted the actual time and stones needed to pull off these upgrades and it was a LOT.The stone system reminds me Runes of Magic,a very heavy cash shop idea.

Besides the p2w ,i simply could not see me enjoying pvp where players are flying around like an ARPG,100 mph flying through the air,darting in from 20 feet away,animations so fast you can't follow or enjoy anything visually.What it comes down to is just like an ARPG ...SPAM SPAM SPAM,very typical of Korean combat design.

YashaX

Wizardry said:

Haha ..people don't spend money based on logic and seldom ever do.They will be spending because pvp is p2w even the game is p2w.You want to upgrade everything to +15 and +5 you'll be spending because doing it yourself for free will take forever.I remember a while a go some site had posted the actual time and stones needed to pull off these upgrades and it was a LOT.The stone system reminds me Runes of Magic,a very heavy cash shop idea.

Atm BDO is probably the least, or one of the least p2w mmos on the market, it is less p2w than games like WoW or ESO. You should be singing its praises considering how much you dislike p2w.

Balticthunder

Isn't this game became more about vanity and showing off your own wealth than actual gameplay. If your friend or guildy have that shiny sword, you also need it badly, because you dont want look like bum, eh?

SpottyGekko

The BDO game design is classic F2P, the player is heavily pushed toward the Cash Shop at the start of the game. All those "convenience" purchases are best made early for maximum bang for the buck !

With the current cash shop content, the average player will be spending most of their BDO-spend in the first month (bank space, pets, mounts, etc.), which is a very effective setup for launch. A great many players will quite likely spend little to nothing on convenience items after their first month.

After the first month, however, the influx of new players will decline sharply, which means alternative monetization strategies have to be employed, otherwise revenue will tank.

Phry

Balticthunder said:

Isn't this game became more about vanity and showing off your own wealth than actual gameplay. If your friend or guildy have that shiny sword, you also need it badly, because you dont want look like bum, eh?

If you can't buy that shiny sword in the cash shop, and you actually have to make it yourself, or buy it from the Market, isn't that a good thing?

marcust

This game is not about who looks the most pretty, its about who holds the damn nodes and can say, this is my turf, if you want it then expect a fight.

I loved Lineage2, I'm gonna love what this becomes, bring it on.

If some people want to pay RL money to look shiny that's great, hell if I think the dev team deserve it for the effort they have put into the game, I will spend money in the cash shop also, simply as a way of saying well done.

So far, I'm saying well done, but with 4 toons in their teens while I decide which one takes the express elevator to 50+ its early days, I'll decide whether to spend after I've had more time to observe.

Antiquated

To, two, too!

(sorry)

pinktailz

exile01 said:

now even the shittiest mmos will go b2p in eu/na

this

Balticthunder

marcust said:

This game is not about who looks the most pretty, its about who holds the damn nodes and can say, this is my turf, if you want it then expect a fight.

I guess many people would not get that far at all. In game where you can get cool looking stuff they want to look cool and have all that cool stuff right now, at lvl 1. Then they hung around a bit showing off their coolness and then they become bored and with new shiny on horizon will leave. And there circle will repeat again.

Kyleran

[mod edit]

So you are saying "shitty" games will now have an entrance fee? Maybe it would deter people from playing bad games, sounds like a positive for me.

Payment models should not be a major decision factor whether or not to play a game you personally enjoy.

I pay CCP about $800 a year to play the game the way I want to, a small amount compared to other hobbies such as golf (my fathers favorite), season's tickets to pro sports (couple of my brothers in law do this) etc etc 

Volgore

That's what i said in another thread.
People hopped on the costume prices bandwagon and doomed the whole shop on that. Even the Blizzard shop is more expensive in comparable categories.

Phry

Kyleran said:

[mod edit]

So you are saying "shitty" games will now have an entrance fee? Maybe it would deter people from playing bad games, sounds like a positive for me.

Payment models should not be a major decision factor whether or not to play a game you personally enjoy.

I pay CCP about $800 a year to play the game the way I want to, a small amount compared to other hobbies such as golf (my fathers favorite), season's tickets to pro sports (couple of my brothers in law do this) etc etc 

I think for the most part it depends on how much you value the amount of enjoyment you get from games, too often these days it seems people have such a sense of personal entitlement, that they think paying anything is too much.
As long as i am getting enjoyment out of playing a game, i have no problem paying for it, i think personally thats the way it should be.
At the moment the main problems i have with BDO, is lack of choice, both in character creation, and whether or not you engage in PVP at higher level.
That there are only 3 male character types, is a bit weird considering there seems to be 5 female ones, and of the 3, ones an old duffer with a stick (wizard) ones some kind of bestial giant kin (berserker) and the third is a bog standard human warrior, and that is pretty much it.
Unless the human warrior type allows you to respecialise in different weapon types, kind of hard to see the attraction, and as for Wizard, yeah, starting the game as gandalfs older brother isn't really all that appealing, makes me wonder if they think everyone is going to focus on just creating female characters tbh, given how much focus is made on making them look good, and the variety, when male characters are so few and limited, well at least its not Scarlet Blade.

Elsabolts

If folks have the money they will buy the extra's, but doing so will also help in other area's example now would be some high rollers in Eve bying spending a lot of money are going to help fund a PVE only server.

Kyleran

Elsabolts said:

If folks have the money they will buy the extra's, but doing so will also help in other area's example now would be some high rollers in Eve bying spending a lot of money are going to help fund a PVE only server.

LOL, soon Elsa, maybe soon.

More likely however is a fresh start universe one day, likely around the launch date of SC.

Just my opinion.

TheOctagon

I have to say they definitely set things up the right way. First they made it BTP because North Americans will invest their money into anything no matter how foolish or short sighted it is, then add a cash shop they promise won't be PTW only until after launch. (Here's a hint folks: It's already after launch. See how no one thinks things through?)

Then, wait until the initial influx of cash slows down, make the game FTP once again and get all the casual players money to. Because this game will go back to FTP. Just like it is everywhere else in the world.

Ikisis

If I paid for the game and i get 0 armor appearances, i will spend $0 on anything from the item shop.

Where as in Guild Wars 2, i paid the box price, it gives me armor i can edit/mix and match appearances, or buy some cool looking fluff appearances. i spent about $50 on their cash shop the little time i played it, but i spent that because i didnt feel like i was buying content i should have been given for paying for the game.

Where in BDO they gave me starter rag's and thats all any of us get unless we buy appearances AhAhAH great way to get me to spend NOTHING past the box price.