If there wasn't anything to bash, there wouldn't be any bashing. Back in the days, Everquest and WoW got very little of it once server issues were gone 1-2 weeks into release. It was praises after praises for months if not years. Same with UO.
Then came the "WoW clone" typical excuse to bash a game, whether that's relevant or not is up to you. I personally dislike BDO, in fact hate it with my guts, but I'm not going on a campaign to bash it either. I'm just here to try to understand what people like in it and why I don't. I really enjoy MMOs, but for some reason B&S and BDO I can't. Maybe the asian grind pill from early US/EU Aion did not go through yet, even after so many years.
But in fairness, the group of people who played those games was smaller and were pretty much the geeks of the era and the trailblazers for this type of online interaction.
It's a larger player base now with more disparate personalities.
Also in "those days" mmo's were still new so it was more about "this is amazing, we have a huge world to explore" and nowadays a certain segment of the population approaches these games with "ok prove to me that I should give you my time".
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But in fairness, the group of people who played those games was smaller and were pretty much the geeks of the era and the trailblazers for this type of online interaction.
It's a larger player base now with more disparate personalities.
Also in "those days" mmo's were still new so it was more about "this is amazing, we have a huge world to explore" and nowadays a certain segment of the population approaches these games with "ok prove to me that I should give you my time".
One more reason why subscription model is better for a MMORPG's in-game culture.
People who complain in-game tend to disappear when their first month or trial period ran out. The remnants are more likely to enjoy that MMORPG experience as it is.
"A game is fun if it is learnable but not trivial" -- Togelius & Schmidhuber
No exception - wait til BD is out of honeymoon phase - it's going to be bashed to high heavens.
Once people realize that they're basically playing a solo game - the question of why will happen - for what purpose am I doing all the node investments, and workers to farm potatoes to make more beer and earn more silver and afk fishing..
The question comes to - why am I doing this - as it's a PvP game where gear matters a lot.
Those that get to 45 and realize that XP spots are camped by PK guilds - another rude awakening - either join PvP guild or basically stop leveling.
Enjoy it while it lasts is all I am gonna say - I think BDO is a fantastic solo casual game, but casuals get bored and have zero tolernace for PvP usually.
The game funnels you towards PvP in the end - the best grind spots are all PvP contested - so again - I have a feeling it's a journey that is in the end short lived for many - but it's still totally worth $30 IMO even if you play it solo for a week and quit.
Read official forums - solo players hitting 45+ are already complaining about getting one-shotted by rangers in +15 gear - like I said - it's a rude awakening for many.
This is a very well stated and balanced view in my opinion and why I am going to buy the game later this week. It will be worth the money for the time I get out of it but I don't see the long term appeal, but I have turned into a casual dabbler.
If there wasn't anything to bash, there wouldn't be any bashing. Back in the days, Everquest and WoW got very little of it once server issues were gone 1-2 weeks into release. It was praises after praises for months if not years. Same with UO.
As someone who was there, I disagree.
It's been so long now, but didn't they take down the EQ forums for a time because of all the complaining?
Also ... LOL at there was no bashing back in the day. Seriously, those rose-colored glasses are getting pretty smudgy now; you should really clean them off.
I actually appreciate the community criticizing a game, blindly hyping a game would just make the industry complacent. Healthy criticism leads to innovation and advancement, also filters out the poor quality games. But then again, there are some who only criticize for the sake of it, which not only is just white noise but also reflects poorly on both the community and themselves.
This is a great point. At the end of the day you want the community to be as blunt as possible. Sure you will not agree with everyone, however you will leave the conversation informed more often then not. This is a great website for filtering your enthrallment.
No exception - wait til BD is out of honeymoon phase - it's going to be bashed to high heavens.
Once people realize that they're basically playing a solo game - the question of why will happen - for what purpose am I doing all the node investments, and workers to farm potatoes to make more beer and earn more silver and afk fishing..
The question comes to - why am I doing this - as it's a PvP game where gear matters a lot. Yeah Those that get to 45 and realize that XP spots are camped by PK guilds - another rude awakening - either join PvP guild or basically stop leveling.
Enjoy it while it lasts is all I am gonna say - I think BDO is a fantastic solo casual game, but casuals get bored and have zero tolernace for PvP usually.
The game funnels you towards PvP in the end - the best grind spots are all PvP contested - so again - I have a feeling it's a journey that is in the end short lived for many - but it's still totally worth $30 IMO even if you play it solo for a week and quit.
Read official forums - solo players hitting 45+ are already complaining about getting one-shotted by rangers in +15 gear - like I said - it's a rude awakening for many.
Yeah, I am not a fan of being prey with no hope of evading or fighting back.
Perhaps they'll make some changes in time.
There's lots of people that like solo and PvE who will enjoy the beginning. Then when the game is clearly PvP in the end, they'll all leave for the next game. I expect this to fail faster than most.
The game funnels you towards PvP in the end - the best grind spots are all PvP contested - so again - I have a feeling it's a journey that is in the end short lived for many - but it's still totally worth $30 IMO even if you play it solo for a week and quit.
It's interesting how all those post about PvP doom and gloom seem to assume that people who played the game for trading, crafting, fishing, adventuring, exploring, boats, mounts, will suddenly feel the urge to go grind once they hit 45+. Will there be the occasional bored ganker? Of course. But he will quickly be defeated by the Karma system. Not being able to approach any guard or talk to any NPC gets old quickly, even more quickly than ganking. The people camping the best grinding spots will be fighting the other grinders, all the other players don't give a shit about their little war.
Don't mind the PvP-centric folk. They're in their own little world of self-importance. Take me, for instance, I joined at release and I'm still only level 19 and still in the Olvia/Velia area. I'm a completionist so suffice it to say I've dabbled in everything and still keep unlocking gobs of things to do in the starter area alone. Although I don't mind combat, I do very little of it and only take it as it comes which has been obviously very rarely. I imagine it will be months before I am PvP-enabled. That said, when I do get there I will dabble with that a bit when it comes as well. I don't, however, expect it to be much.
I anticipate most, if not all, of the Pee-Vee-Pee gankers will have moved on by then because BDO is not like AA, the PvP mechanics in BDO are not geared for that type of game play. They will soon bore and move on leaving the PvP in BDO to be civilized, or as civilized as PvP can be under the circumstances. My friends and I are enjoying BDO immensely. Speaking for myself, it is tailor- made for my type of game play preference. It's like BDO's developers where in my head when they designed BDO. Outside of a lack of gear/costume variety, I don't see how it can be improved on. As far as MMORPGs are concerned, it has climbed to the top of the list for me. Even ahead of SWG. If that doesn't say it all, nothing will.
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It's a larger player base now with more disparate personalities.
Also in "those days" mmo's were still new so it was more about "this is amazing, we have a huge world to explore" and nowadays a certain segment of the population approaches these games with "ok prove to me that I should give you my time".
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People who complain in-game tend to disappear when their first month or trial period ran out. The remnants are more likely to enjoy that MMORPG experience as it is.
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Also ... LOL at there was no bashing back in the day. Seriously, those rose-colored glasses are getting pretty smudgy now; you should really clean them off.
Don't mind the PvP-centric folk. They're in their own little world of self-importance. Take me, for instance, I joined at release and I'm still only level 19 and still in the Olvia/Velia area. I'm a completionist so suffice it to say I've dabbled in everything and still keep unlocking gobs of things to do in the starter area alone. Although I don't mind combat, I do very little of it and only take it as it comes which has been obviously very rarely. I imagine it will be months before I am PvP-enabled. That said, when I do get there I will dabble with that a bit when it comes as well. I don't, however, expect it to be much.
I anticipate most, if not all, of the Pee-Vee-Pee gankers will have moved on by then because BDO is not like AA, the PvP mechanics in BDO are not geared for that type of game play. They will soon bore and move on leaving the PvP in BDO to be civilized, or as civilized as PvP can be under the circumstances. My friends and I are enjoying BDO immensely. Speaking for myself, it is tailor- made for my type of game play preference. It's like BDO's developers where in my head when they designed BDO. Outside of a lack of gear/costume variety, I don't see how it can be improved on. As far as MMORPGs are concerned, it has climbed to the top of the list for me. Even ahead of SWG. If that doesn't say it all, nothing will.