Rob Irving (Former Lead Designer of Star Citizen) interview - admits Escapists article is true

JohnP0100

An interview with former Lead Designer of SC Rob Irving is up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PLwo3YCY_8&ab_channel=MattBarton

A lot of 'reading between the lines' can be done, like
"Chris and I have never been close friends. We worked together a couple of times. He knows who I am".
"He (Chris) is probably going to go bigger than he should."

But the biggest news will be that he admits the Escapists article is true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PLwo3YCY_8#t=232s
Rob: Rumors like that don't just spring up out of nowhere, that's the thing. There is, there is certainly some truth to the article.


Another interesting note is the talk of 'feature creep' and the lack of the producers ability to say 'No' to a wish that someone came up with. He doesn't say the name but it is obviously referencing the '10FTC' segments that has "Procedural birds". Yes.. Procedural Birds!!

While the headline of the thread is around the 'Escapists' article, there are much more here and it will be interesting to see if this is the first person to speak up under their real identity about Star Citizen or the last.

To anyone doubting his CV, he was involved in Wing Commander 3/4/Prophecy. 
Part of the 'old guard' with ChrisR and EricR.
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/12905-Meet-Rob-Irving

loghorizon01

He is referring to "Star Citizen Employees Speak Out on Project Woes" article?

DKLond

"Some truth to the article" != "The article is true".

As for Rob, he never seemed invested or particularly passionate about Star Citizen. More like a nice low-key guy who'd rather be slacking off doing something less challenging.

Just my impression of the man.

JohnP0100

Yes, that one.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/features/14715-CIG-Employees-Talk-Star-Citizen-and-the-State-of-the-Company

Which has (among other things) accusation of their VP (Sandi Gardiner) being racists. "We aren't hiring her. We aren't hiring a black girl."

loghorizon01

So is he saying that it's true that Robert's wife is racist? Idk what to think.

JohnP0100

DKLond said:

"Some truth to the article" != "The article is true".

As for Rob, he never seemed invested or particularly passionate about Star Citizen. More like a nice low-key guy who'd rather be slacking off doing something less challening.

Just my impression of the man.

And here comes the ad hominem attacks.

The Youtube video had this comment 

Wildspacerunner Hunky2 hours ago

What a shitter, taking a dump on SC and us fans! Well he is no longer working on a real game just that little shit minigames no one plays.

Wildspacerunner, is that you?

DKLond

Oh, so it's an attack to give my impression of a nice low-key guy who'd rather be doing less challenging work?

Being irrationally defensive doesn't really support an objective point of view.

I've had that impression of him since I first saw him in Wingman's Hangar - along with the host. They both seemed like a couple of nice and entertaining guys who were ill-suited for a hugely ambitious project like Star Citizen - which surely demands you get in line with the vision.

A smaller project like rebooting Descent seems much more like their style - so I don't see a problem.

tawess

Yeah... he says there is some truth to it.... Not like anyone with half a brain ever doubted that... 

That is far from EVERYTHING being true and as described. 

#criticalthinkingisaartform

Distopia

HE admits to there being some truth... which parts though? The Racism, the inability to complete the game, ageism, out of money... There were a lot of accusations, "some truth" doesn't really tell us much here..

Kyleran

DKLond said:

Oh, so it's an attack to give my impression of a nice low-key guy who'd rather be doing less challenging work?

Being irrationally defensive doesn't really support an objective point of view.

I've had that impression of him since I first saw him in Wingman's Hangar - along with the host. They both seemed like a couple of nice and entertaining guys who were ill-suited for a hugely ambitious project like Star Citizen - which surely demands you get in line with the vision.

A smaller project like rebooting Descent seems much more like their style - so I don't see a problem.

Er yes, saying someone would rather be "slacking off" is an attack and is an exhibit of the very defensiveness you are speaking of.

Distopia

Now say it's all true, what are these people waiting for in regard to truly bringing this to light? Vague answers and non-committal to truly address these issues only serves those who would be taking part in such "wrong doing". I mean if you know they're fleecing people, there is racism within hiring practices, and everything else proposed to be going on there, would there really be any consequence to speaking out in this day and age?

Herase

Distopia said:

HE admits to there being some truth... which parts though? The Racism, the inability to complete the game, ageism, out of money... There were a lot of accusations, "some truth" doesn't really tell us much here..

Not sure why he was vague about it, should have just said which parts where true. This will just cause mass speculation and people picking what parts they want to be true.

Hopefully he follows up with something a bit clearer 

JohnP0100

tawess said:

Yeah... he says there is some truth to it.... Not like anyone with half a brain ever doubted that... 

That is far from EVERYTHING being true and as described. 

#criticalthinkingisaartform

Lets apply this 'critical thinking'.
If you saw an article that is mostly false, why not say that?
Why say 'there is some truth to that' and not speak about the false statements?

Then again, this is Star Citizen where if you do apply 'critical thinking', the whole thing looks shady as hell so I'm not surprised that the poster don't get the irony of the hashtag.

JohnP0100

DKLond said:

Oh, so it's an attack to give my impression of a nice low-key guy who'd rather be doing less challenging work?

Being irrationally defensive doesn't really support an objective point of view.

I've had that impression of him since I first saw him in Wingman's Hangar - along with the host. They both seemed like a couple of nice and entertaining guys who were ill-suited for a hugely ambitious project like Star Citizen - which surely demands you get in line with the vision.

A smaller project like rebooting Descent seems much more like their style - so I don't see a problem.

So you said 'Slacking off' and you do not consider that as a personal attack?

The guy was involved in 3 out of 5 Wing Commanders and you are now accusing him of preferring 'less challenging work'? LOLWUT?!

This is totally not a CULT guys! 
#NOTACULT

DKLond

Kyleran said:

DKLond said:

Oh, so it's an attack to give my impression of a nice low-key guy who'd rather be doing less challenging work?

Being irrationally defensive doesn't really support an objective point of view.

I've had that impression of him since I first saw him in Wingman's Hangar - along with the host. They both seemed like a couple of nice and entertaining guys who were ill-suited for a hugely ambitious project like Star Citizen - which surely demands you get in line with the vision.

A smaller project like rebooting Descent seems much more like their style - so I don't see a problem.

Er yes, saying someone would rather be "slacking off" is an attack and is an exhibit of the very defensiveness you are speaking of.

I don't follow. I'd rather be slacking off than working myself. If someone told me their impression of me was such, I wouldn't consider it an attack.

I'd have to be overly defensive and in denial for that to be the case.

In any case, that's my impression of the man. That he doesn't have the ambition or passion it would take to pull off Star Citizen.

If that's a personal attack, so be it.

Doesn't make it wrong, though.

Adjuvant1

edit: I think it's wrong you guys want to discredit Rob.

Distopia

JohnP0100 said:

DKLond said:

Oh, so it's an attack to give my impression of a nice low-key guy who'd rather be doing less challenging work?

Being irrationally defensive doesn't really support an objective point of view.

I've had that impression of him since I first saw him in Wingman's Hangar - along with the host. They both seemed like a couple of nice and entertaining guys who were ill-suited for a hugely ambitious project like Star Citizen - which surely demands you get in line with the vision.

A smaller project like rebooting Descent seems much more like their style - so I don't see a problem.

So you said 'Slacking off' and you do not consider that as a personal attack?

The guy was involved in 3 out of 5 Wing Commanders and you are now accusing him of preferring 'less challenging work'? LOLWUT?!

This is totally not a CULT guys! 
#NOTACULT

Eh, what does that have to do with a cult? 

DKLond

JohnP0100 said:

DKLond said:

Oh, so it's an attack to give my impression of a nice low-key guy who'd rather be doing less challenging work?

Being irrationally defensive doesn't really support an objective point of view.

I've had that impression of him since I first saw him in Wingman's Hangar - along with the host. They both seemed like a couple of nice and entertaining guys who were ill-suited for a hugely ambitious project like Star Citizen - which surely demands you get in line with the vision.

A smaller project like rebooting Descent seems much more like their style - so I don't see a problem.

So you said 'Slacking off' and you do not consider that as a personal attack?

The guy was involved in 3 out of 5 Wing Commanders and you are now accusing him of preferring 'less challenging work'? LOLWUT?!

This is totally not a CULT guys! 
#NOTACULT

To me, we're all human and we all have things we'd rather be doing than hard work.

To work hard, you really have to believe in the end result. Certainly is true for me.

Slacking off is something most of us enjoy.

Is that an attack on humanity as a whole?

What a joke.

Being involved with something great when you're a young guy doesn't mean you're responsible for that greatness or that you're still as passionate as you perhaps once were.

But you're right about Wing Commander being great and very challenging to make for its time.

Who would you guess was more involved in its creation - CR the "cult figure" or Rob Irving?

Be honest now.

JohnP0100

Distopia said:

JohnP0100 said:

So you said 'Slacking off' and you do not consider that as a personal attack?

The guy was involved in 3 out of 5 Wing Commanders and you are now accusing him of preferring 'less challenging work'? LOLWUT?!

This is totally not a CULT guys! 
#NOTACULT

Eh, what does that have to do with a cult? 

http://www.familiesagainstcultteachings.org/Cult-Education/Cult-Warning-Signs/
Former followers are at best-considered negative or worse evil and under bad influences. They can not be trusted and personal contact is avoided. 

Rob was involved in 3 out of 5 Wing Commanders and even he can't be considered 'good' since he left CIG.
Just look at the comments in this very thread. This is definitely cult' behaviour.

Adjuvant1

DKLond said:

But you're right about Wing Commander being great and very challenging to make for its time.

Who would you guess was more involved in its creation - CR the "cult figure" or Rob Irving?

Be honest now.

Well, after the first one, Chris' contribution, in the scheme of things, was pretty minimal, especially compared to Erin's. More involved in the original concept, Chris. Picking up the slack later, Rob. Tired of the nonsense over a decade later, Rob.

Adjuvant1

JohnP0100 said:

Distopia said:

JohnP0100 said:

So you said 'Slacking off' and you do not consider that as a personal attack?

The guy was involved in 3 out of 5 Wing Commanders and you are now accusing him of preferring 'less challenging work'? LOLWUT?!

This is totally not a CULT guys! 
#NOTACULT

Eh, what does that have to do with a cult? 

http://www.familiesagainstcultteachings.org/Cult-Education/Cult-Warning-Signs/
Former followers are at best-considered negative or worse evil and under bad influences. They can not be trusted and personal contact is avoided. 

Rob was involved in 3 out of 5 Wing Commanders and even he can't be considered 'good' since he left CIG.
Just look at the comments in this very thread. This is definitely cult' behaviour.

I agree. He has become fair game. He might be a suppressive person.

DKLond

Adjuvant1 said:

DKLond said:

But you're right about Wing Commander being great and very challenging to make for its time.

Who would you guess was more involved in its creation - CR the "cult figure" or Rob Irving?

Be honest now.

Well, after the first one, Chris' contribution, in the scheme of things, was pretty minimal, especially compared to Erin's. More involved in the original concept, Chris. Picking up the slack later, Rob. Tired of the nonsense over a decade later, Rob.

Are you kidding me?

Check out Wing Commander 3 and little things like who was the lead designer and director.

Minimal involvement?

Oh yeah

Little-Boot

I thought it was clear that there was some truth in the article. Escapists refusal to retract any of it and SC's failure to act on their legal ultimatum indicated as much. 

I saw a few of the less objective SC supporters with their fingers in their ears "lalalala-ing"; but everyone else seemed fairly clear the article was most likely sound.  

Distopia

JohnP0100 said:

Distopia said:

http://www.familiesagainstcultteachings.org/Cult-Education/Cult-Warning-Signs/
Former followers are at best-considered negative or worse evil and under bad influences. They can not be trusted and personal contact is avoided. 

Rob was involved in 3 out of 5 Wing Commanders and even he can't be considered 'good' since he left CIG.
Just look at the comments in this very thread. This is definitely cult' behaviour.

I think you should focus more on the topic, and less on such things. IF there is something of value here, why bring it down to such a level? Ignore folks if that's how you feel about them. Unless you want the thread closed of course..

JohnP0100

DKLond said:

To me, we're all human and we all have things we'd rather be doing than hard work.

To work hard, you really have to believe in the end result. Certainly is true for me.

Slacking off is something most of us enjoy.

Is that an attack on humanity as a whole?

What a joke.

Being involved with something great when you're a young guy doesn't mean you're responsible for that greatness or that you're still as passionate as you perhaps once were.

But you're right about Wing Commander being great and very challenging to make for its time.

Who would you guess was more involved in its creation - CR the "cult figure" or Rob Irving?

Be honest now.

The twist and turns on trying to make it sound like 'slacking off' is not a personal attack is hilarious. ROFL!

Be honest now, do you really think it'll work?
Actually, do you really believe that?
Be Honest Now.

#NOTACULT

Adjuvant1

DKLond said:

Adjuvant1 said:

DKLond said:

But you're right about Wing Commander being great and very challenging to make for its time.

Who would you guess was more involved in its creation - CR the "cult figure" or Rob Irving?

Be honest now.

Well, after the first one, Chris' contribution, in the scheme of things, was pretty minimal, especially compared to Erin's. More involved in the original concept, Chris. Picking up the slack later, Rob. Tired of the nonsense over a decade later, Rob.

Are you kidding me?

Check out Wing Commander 3 and little things like who was the lead designer and director.

Minimal involvement?

Oh yeah

Putting your name on something and resting on your laurels doesn't require alot of heavy lifting, man. Directing cinematic parts might get stressful if the intern isn't yet back with your morning coffee.