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JeffSpicoliJeffSpicoli Member EpicPosts: 2,849
I get this game is a "sandbox" but im not quite sure what direction i should be going at lvl 11, obviously i just started should i just be following the main quest, i just unlocked the cooking quest and another gathering quest, Im not sure of the mechanics of the game. I want to be a crafter but im not understaning how money os made, is it made through other players in the auction house or is it like archage where you sell stuff to vendors....I guess im just not getting the game...Maybe im  playing it wrong??? After all these years of themeparks i guess im a bit confused. Any help comments or suggestions are appriciated i reall like the game, just dont get it/
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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,983
    Look at this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSaXunpISUE

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9scrIgSWLk

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3c94Kll1V4

    While the black spirit quests will show you around, you really don't need them (though some of the rewards can be nice such as black stones and inventory capacity.

    Don't worry about not getting it, part of the game is figuring it out. Feel free to step off the treadmill and don't be too concerned with leveling and keeping up with the Jonses.

    Having said that, you should join a guild and be in a party 45+ just in case someone decides to pk you.
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  • ArChWindArChWind Member UncommonPosts: 1,340
    It can be confusing at first. You need to get some contribution points and some energy first so just hang around the three starter areas and find all the NPCs which will give you enough energy and contribution points to get started.

    Once you have done this more and more quests will start showing up

    To get you started cooking.

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  • JeffSpicoliJeffSpicoli Member EpicPosts: 2,849
    So then its normal to be completetly lost at lvl 11? Im getting a little older now and wondering whether i can grasp what this game is about lol I really like what i am seeing thus far and really want to get into a sandbox 
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  • Quazal.AQuazal.A Member UncommonPosts: 859
    i have jsut bought into it, had a spare few quid from overtime lol :) so just downloading the game now, did play during CB and thought it was ok, but given teh madness of the volume of players in the areas at the time that probably spoilt it for me

    however, no slight on you, or anyone else, but i do wish people woudl stop calling this a sandbox, i would say at best its a sandpit there are too many rules for it to be sandbox

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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,983
    thunderC said:
    So then its normal to be completetly lost at lvl 11? Im getting a little older now and wondering whether i can grasp what this game is about lol I really like what i am seeing thus far and really want to get into a sandbox 
    Well, I'm 48 and will be 49 next month and I had no problems figuring out the things I needed so unless you are 90, get out there and start cooking!!!!
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  • JeffSpicoliJeffSpicoli Member EpicPosts: 2,849
    Quazal.A said:
    i have jsut bought into it, had a spare few quid from overtime lol :) so just downloading the game now, did play during CB and thought it was ok, but given teh madness of the volume of players in the areas at the time that probably spoilt it for me

    however, no slight on you, or anyone else, but i do wish people woudl stop calling this a sandbox, i would say at best its a sandpit there are too many rules for it to be sandbox
    Why would you even respond to my post , You added nothing to the conversation and failed to answer even a single question i asked, Congrats for wasting 5 minutes of YOUR LIFE!
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  • Tabloid42Tabloid42 Member UncommonPosts: 200
    at around level 14 I sorta gave up with 'trying' to level and find quest chains.

    I took my time and just wandered around talking to npc's and doing stuff for them, getting my Amity up with them to unlock some knowledge and quests.  

    Then switching gears entirely and fish a bit,..or start crafting,...setting up nodes and workers. 

    the learning curve is Huge, imho, especially if you have baggage from previous thempark mmos.

    YouTube will save your life.  Hakurai's vids,..posted in the previous posts are very helpful.

    at this point, I don't even care about leveling,..and I focus on the non-combat stuff.   that will take me around,..show me the game,..and just by it's nature,..lead me to mobs to kill which levels me up slowly.

    Note:  You do not get "Level' experience from quests or crafting,...you only get that kind of exp by killing Mobs.

       Mobs = level exp.     Quests/crafting =  proffession/crafting exp./  contribution points/energy.

    Good luck!
  • DelvieDelvie Member UncommonPosts: 25
    The only stuff you should be selling to Shop NPCs is the stuff that has something like 'a vendor would pay some silver for this' in the mouse over for the item.  Stuff like fangs, fish bones, etc.

    The Trade Manager npc will pay the best for all fresh fish and trade  items and has a mini game for bargaining that also gives you trade experience plus if you win an added percentage to your sales.  You must have nodes connected to realize the best price.

    The Marketplace is the place to sell anything that has 'marketplace' mentioned in its mouse over.  This includes dried fish (you have to dry them if you want to store them for a while as fresh fish expire and don't stack) - so far two dried fish count as 1 fresh fish when you are cooking. 

    If you are having troubles getting enough contribution points or energy points work a few alts up to Velia and level 10 - all of their efforts will increase your family's contribution points total and your family's max energy.
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Delvie said:


    The Marketplace is the place to sell anything that has 'marketplace' mentioned in its mouse over.  This includes dried fish (you have to dry them if you want to store them for a while as fresh fish expire and don't stack) - so far two dried fish count as 1 fresh fish when you are cooking. 

    Not everything. When you take into account the marketplace posting fee and tax on sales, with lower level drops it's often just as easy to to vendor it for slightly less: it clears your inventory/weight without needing to make a side trip to a major city trader.

    Even green weapon drops are tough to sell in the marketplace since just about everyone will be using Yuria weapons while leveling. Same goes for most dropped green armor other than Agerian.

    When fishing you'll often get those stones that when you have 5 you put into your inventory in a "+" pattern to turn it into a boss summon scroll. You can either use them that way for when you're level 45+ (assuming you have the warehouse space) or sell them in the marketplace for ~ 150 - 200 K each. I sell mine turning a 200 K fishing trip often into 500 K.
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  • BlurBlehBlurBleh Member UncommonPosts: 162
    thunderC said:
    I get this game is a "sandbox" but im not quite sure what direction i should be going at lvl 11, obviously i just started should i just be following the main quest, i just unlocked the cooking quest and another gathering quest, Im not sure of the mechanics of the game. I want to be a crafter but im not understaning how money os made, is it made through other players in the auction house or is it like archage where you sell stuff to vendors....I guess im just not getting the game...Maybe im  playing it wrong??? After all these years of themeparks i guess im a bit confused. Any help comments or suggestions are appriciated i reall like the game, just dont get it/
    You really have two options to play this game.
    1. Do only the main quests and rush to lvl 50+ as quickly as possible. This way you can get to the "late game" quickly and start farming high level mobs for drops. Do this if you want to get your hands on good gears as soon as possible.

    2. Take it slow and do sidequests, as they can increase your knowledge, contribution, and crafting skills. This way you will get a more well-rounded character development. Do this if you want to enjoy everything the game has got to offer.

    The top 3 ways of making money in this game is trading, fishing, and grinding for loot. With trading being the most stable source of income, and grinding being the most luck dependent but potentially the most rewarding.

    For crafting there are two types, life skills and workshop. Life skills refer to your character's "crafting skills" such as cooking, alchemy, processing, harvesting etc. Workshops are purchased by your character in towns/cities and require workers in order to begin production of various goods depending on what kind of workshop it is.

    Crafting itself does not make much money efficiently, but they can be useful in facilitating the above mentioned money making methods. For example, you can craft a fishing boat and go rod/harpoon fishing at sea, which is generally more profitable than fishing at a river. Or you can build a farm, harvest the crops, package it at a workshop, and trade it to some distant land using a boat or carriage for profit. So crafting can be used as part of the money making process instead of being the entirety of it.
  • YoofaloofYoofaloof Member UncommonPosts: 217
    I'm not sure what to do either. I've spent most of my time watching everybody else and gawping at the beautiful scenery.
  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 9,004
    Sandbox means go out and explore and do your own thing as opposed to a theme-park game that wants you to follow the story/quest line.

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  • spikers14spikers14 Member UncommonPosts: 531
    There is no hard and fast rule on what you should be doing. Learn about one activity in the game that interests you and pursue that. Other things will come into view on your journey.
  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342
    aurabullets said:
    The top 3 ways of making money in this game is trading
    I assume you meant trade packs not trading?
  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    Tabloid42 said:
    at around level 14 I sorta gave up with 'trying' to level and find quest chains.

    I took my time and just wandered around talking to npc's and doing stuff for them, getting my Amity up with them to unlock some knowledge and quests.  

    Then switching gears entirely and fish a bit,..or start crafting,...setting up nodes and workers. 

    the learning curve is Huge, imho, especially if you have baggage from previous thempark mmos.

    YouTube will save your life.  Hakurai's vids,..posted in the previous posts are very helpful.

    at this point, I don't even care about leveling,..and I focus on the non-combat stuff.   that will take me around,..show me the game,..and just by it's nature,..lead me to mobs to kill which levels me up slowly.

    Note:  You do not get "Level' experience from quests or crafting,...you only get that kind of exp by killing Mobs.

       Mobs = level exp.     Quests/crafting =  proffession/crafting exp./  contribution points/energy.

    Good luck!
    Slight correction, while you can indeed level up from combat xp, its just one of the factors, all xp whether its from trading, crafting, or combat, combines together to provide level xp.
    combat xp is what is used to generate skill points for combat skills. same as the others are used to generate xp for contribution points.
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,088
    thunderC said:
    Quazal.A said:
    i have jsut bought into it, had a spare few quid from overtime lol :) so just downloading the game now, did play during CB and thought it was ok, but given teh madness of the volume of players in the areas at the time that probably spoilt it for me

    however, no slight on you, or anyone else, but i do wish people woudl stop calling this a sandbox, i would say at best its a sandpit there are too many rules for it to be sandbox
    Why would you even respond to my post , You added nothing to the conversation and failed to answer even a single question i asked, Congrats for wasting 5 minutes of YOUR LIFE!
    New here eh? He was trying to help by explaining the game is not a sandbox.  It may have some freestyle elements to it not found in most modern titles, but it is ver far from being a sandbox.

    Most folks haven't seen or played one in so long they get confused over this distinction.

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  • wiennaswiennas Member UncommonPosts: 67
    Well keep in mind that ''sandbox mmo'' is more a marketing thing. As such we are kinda a decade or two away from sandbox video games, the only one which comes close is Second Life, while today mmos are very, very limited in possibilities. In essence no mmo forces you to lvl up,...you can always choose what to do between limited options.
  • MardukkMardukk Member RarePosts: 2,222
    edited March 2016
    thunderC said:
    So then its normal to be completetly lost at lvl 11? Im getting a little older now and wondering whether i can grasp what this game is about lol I really like what i am seeing thus far and really want to get into a sandbox 
    I suppose don't worry about mastering everything right away.  I'm focusing on workers/nodes and supplies for crafting/cooking...with some leveling and questing for the contribution points, inventory slots and other things that quests give you.  Also doing some of the conversation minigames.  But, I haven't even touched transporting goods or horse taming or practicing combat combos.

    Edit:  To everyone but the OP...can we just skip the sandbox conversation in this thread.  Please just once.  I (and many many others) don't give  flying F what artificial category this game falls into.  It has nothing to do with the OP.
  • LacedOpiumLacedOpium Member EpicPosts: 2,327
    Mardukk said:
     

    Edit:  To everyone but the OP...can we just skip the sandbox conversation in this thread.  Please just once.  I (and many many others) don't give  flying F what artificial category this game falls into.  It has nothing to do with the OP.

    I'm with you on this.  Ironically, the only reason this thread even exists gives credence to the argument that BDO is indeed a sandbox.  If it were not a sandbox, the OP and many others, would have a clear path and direction as to where to go in the game.  The fact that so many posters are chiming in with the different directions they have personally taken in the game is proof alone that the game is a sandbox.  Taking me as an example, the bar I care about most is the Contribution Exp bar because it is what allows me to conquer nodes, put my workers to work in those nodes, and build my empire.  On the other hand, if you are a crafter the bar that you would, more than likely, care about the most is the Energy Bar.  Because it is the bar that most efficiently allows you to gather, cook, process, etc. in the game.  And if you are combat-centric then, of course, the traditional Combat Exp progression bar would be the most important because it allows you to gain levels on your way to level 50.  

    That said, the big picture is that the game is much bigger than any of these bars because there are additional bars in your character profile that arguably play an equally important role in your "journeys" in BDO (Ie., stamina, health, training, fishings, etc).  Long story short, BDO is a sandbox in every sense of the word.  Those arguing against it are simply nit-picking for the sake of argument.  All that aside, as you've already so eloquently stated ... who gives a flying F what articial category the game falls into.  Categories are meaningless when it comes to the gem that is BDO.  Just take your time and enjoy the the many features that BDO offers.  It's a game in which time does not matter.  There is no "winning" in BDO. It's all about persona achievement and having fun while achieving them. 
  • GraeyGraey Member UncommonPosts: 281
    I don't want to bogard this thread but i have a question in relation to this. When I'm playing i feel like there is to much stuff on screen. Is there a way to take some of it off, also in a way it feels a bit fast in regards to my character (not sure how to explain it). I think after getting to level 10 I am starting to get lost as well, but it is more than likely due to what has been stated above. Honestly the thing I want to do most is fish, raise a horse and craft so I'll keep at it. Just seems like there is a lot of things on the screen. I'll just play around with the options to see what is needed and not needed. 
  • rodarinrodarin Member EpicPosts: 2,611
    Threads (and responses) like this are why these games are semi useless to most people. While everyone can claim "it doesnt hold your hand" how many links to videos walkthroughs or guides have been made to do just that? Yea you have the option to NOT watch them but if you dont you feel inferior or gimped. Especially in a game like this where apparently the sole purpose is to eventually PvP. So you (think) you need to be as powerful as you can possibly be. Which if everyone does the same things and has all the same gear will eventually balance out (theoretically).

    Thats why I have said all these games with 'steep learning curves' arent nearly as steep as people think because there is always a guide or a vid somewhere that shows you every single possible option you can take to find the specific outcome you want. Which basically defeats the whole purpose of actually playing the game.

    It isnt specific to this game but this just shows that things games do to make them interesting are minimized by the players playing them.
  • Void425Void425 Member UncommonPosts: 170
    edited March 2016
    If you want to be profitable, stop trying to sell yourself to other players.  There is a very small list of things you can make and profit after the Market Fee of 35%, but its very limited.   Your crafting profits are from making items you need so you do  not have to buy them off the market.

    For example, If you have pets.  Making your own food is cheaper then buying it on the market.  If you wish to actively fish, then you can make the fishing speed wine.  If you wish to be a trader, craft your own ride.

    Beware gathering, processing, alchemy, crafting, these are all very big inventory space  items which will most likely require you to buy some extra inventory space.  

    Think of this game as more of a single player game where you have to be self sufficient, with the only multi player aspect being the group PVP.


    Also note that many of the gathered and processed items are severly undervalued on the marketplace even at max price.  So they are rarely sold and when they are sold they get bought up immediately.  Plan on gathering and processing yourself at a loss because of this, then usually when put into the final product you will make up for the losses of the sub-components.
  • Tabloid42Tabloid42 Member UncommonPosts: 200
    Void425 said:


    Think of this game as more of a single player game where you have to be self sufficient, with the only multi player aspect being the group PVP.

    It's a fantastic game out of the box,  but this is what I am experiencing as well.  I wish it weren't so, but alas. 

    To be fair, in addition to PvP.  Grouping for the summoned bosses and such does indeed exist. The co-op parts revolve around combat.  

  • olepiolepi Member EpicPosts: 3,078
    I had the same issue, so I just decided to go for something. I want to make a fishing boat and sail the oceans.

    Ok, now what do I need to make the fishing boat? I'll need to make one from materials, where do I get the materials? Oh, it requires workers? Where do I get workers, how do I feed workers.

    To get workers you need housing, and this requires contribution points. So how do I get those? By doing quests mainly, so I did some quests.

    As you can see, I made up my own goal, and then backtracked to figure out all the stuff needed to reach that goal. Kind of sandboxy.

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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,983
    olepi said:
    I had the same issue, so I just decided to go for something. I want to make a fishing boat and sail the oceans.

    Ok, now what do I need to make the fishing boat? I'll need to make one from materials, where do I get the materials? Oh, it requires workers? Where do I get workers, how do I feed workers.

    To get workers you need housing, and this requires contribution points. So how do I get those? By doing quests mainly, so I did some quests.

    As you can see, I made up my own goal, and then backtracked to figure out all the stuff needed to reach that goal. Kind of sandboxy.
    I think that's where the divide is.

    Some players have their goals (within the context of what he game has as far as content) and some players are so used to the standard theme park where they are escorted everywhere.

    This is not to say this game doesn't have a line you can follow but one can also adopt not to follow it.
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