What does PvP really have to do with being a racists douchenozzle? Even if you do it "for teh lulz". No the only course of action with people like that is to ban them (and if possible provide their local newspaper with their information and chat-logs). Nothing i would like more than these brain dead nubblets having to face the real world consequence of their actions.
Well PvP has a few things going for it:
1. People tend to be less competitive as they age, meaning PvP attracts a younger audience
2. PvP, not just in video games, but in most competitive activities lends itself to trash talking. No, trash talking doesn't mean racism, but it does mean that people are already prone to slinging insults so it's not a stretch for anyone with bigoted notions to express them.
3. Part and parcel of 'the youths' is a greater degree of trolling. So mixed in with genuine hate speech is disingenuous troll speech where they may not mean what they say, but say it because they know it will cause a commotion. aka attention whoring.
So yeah, PvP is an ideal breeding ground for this type of behavior. And you really only have to pay the slightest bit of attention to notice it. This isn't to say that PvE doesn't have any hate speech or bigoted groups, just that it's lesser in comparison PvP oriented games.
I hate to say it, but this is very typical of an Asian MMO.
So if a game is eastern but the bad community is from the west it's still because it's asian?
Some people make me shake my head so much...
Yeah, I literally face-palmed when I read that. Head shaking to follow. The ignorance is real.
Glad to see you are the second person who can't seem to read past the first sentence. I said the game has no moderation what so ever. Yes this is a western culture problem. I don't deny that. But, since the Asian mmos never have ANY MODERATION (in case you miss the next sentences again) the idiot kids come out of the woodworks to troll those general channels.
You don't see this as much in the western mmos because people actually get bans and etc from getting reported or they are actually watching the chat. This problem is the thing I hate the most about the Asian mmos. Not the devs but the western nutbags that seem to flood these games. Hopefully you actual read what I wrote this time and not hurt your neck from all that shaking.
I hate to say it, but this is very typical of an Asian MMO.
So if a game is eastern but the bad community is from the west it's still because it's asian?
Some people make me shake my head so much...
Maybe you should also learn to read past the first sentence. You must be one of those people who click on a article and go right to the comments and ask what the article was about. Never once said it's the fault of the Asian Developers. I even said it's the fault of the COMMUNITY of that particular game. Just saying that this is ubiquitous to Asian mmos in the west. People like you make me shake my damn head.
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So yeah, PvP is an ideal breeding ground for this type of behavior. And you really only have to pay the slightest bit of attention to notice it. This isn't to say that PvE doesn't have any hate speech or bigoted groups, just that it's lesser in comparison PvP oriented games.
As fascinating as that was my question was more aimed at the notion that just because it is PvP we should accept that behavior...
Also i am not entirely sure that age matter all that much in to it. Some of the worst posterior primates i have met through life have been in the 25-45 range... People who should know better but simply take pleasure in putting others down.
Sure the 14-18 crowd tend to posture a lot more and stand for most of the asshattery driven from sexual insecurity. But the other group is the one that tend to provide more pure and venomous hate... and are usually much better at aiming it.
Either way there should never be a attitude of "it is ok because it is a PvP game" as the person i quoted alluded to.
This is the Internet people, of course such behaviors are common. If one thing Ultron got it right it was deciding to destroy humanity after spending a few minutes on the Internet.
I hate to say it, but this is very typical of an Asian MMO.
So if a game is eastern but the bad community is from the west it's still because it's asian?
Some people make me shake my head so much...
Maybe you should also learn to read past the first sentence. You must be one of those people who click on a article and go right to the comments and ask what the article was about. Never once said it's the fault of the Asian Developers. I even said it's the fault of the COMMUNITY of that particular game. Just saying that this is ubiquitous to Asian mmos in the west. People like you make me shake my damn head.
I did read it all.
The fact you think asian mmos have the worst communities is what made me shake my head.
Don't generalize next time. I know hating on the asian mmos is the popular thing to do on this site but that was uncalled for when even western mmos have toxic people.
A lack of active moderation and solid customer support leads to this sort of in-game behavior. Until the publisher decides to Pony up some bucks to control the animals in the zoo nothing will change
True, but those days are over, I am surprised if a MMO these days has more than one person working in customer service.
I hate to say it, but this is very typical of an Asian MMO.
So if a game is eastern but the bad community is from the west it's still because it's asian?
Some people make me shake my head so much...
Maybe you should also learn to read past the first sentence. You must be one of those people who click on a article and go right to the comments and ask what the article was about. Never once said it's the fault of the Asian Developers. I even said it's the fault of the COMMUNITY of that particular game. Just saying that this is ubiquitous to Asian mmos in the west. People like you make me shake my damn head.
I did read it all.
The fact you think asian mmos have the worst communities is what made me shake my head.
Don't generalize next time. I know hating on the asian mmos is the popular thing to do on this site but that was uncalled for when even western mmos have toxic people.
Wow, again you did not read a thing I wrote lol. I never blamed the actual mmo and developer. Nvm, it's obviously pointless discussing this with you. You don't even read what I rebuttal.
Glad i don't like action combat or sandbox games or i probably would of bought this i hope they sort this out soon i wonder why people find it so hard to string a sentence together without leaving any racist, homophobic comments in them i see there is plenty of people who are doing the if it doesn't affect me so what attitude so sad to see.
The fact you think asian mmos have the worst communities is what made me shake my head.
Don't generalize next time. I know hating on the asian mmos is the popular thing to do on this site but that was uncalled for when even western mmos have toxic people.
Wow, again you did not read a thing I wrote lol. I never blamed the actual mmo and developer. Nvm, it's obviously pointless discussing this with you. You don't even read what I rebuttal.
Where exactly am I saying you are calling asian developers bad? Please point it out to me as I didn't say such thing.
What I am telling you is that no, not only asian mmos have had toxic communities in the beginning and it's uncalled for to say it's typical for asian mmos. So western mmos have no flaws when they launch? Cause whenever I join a launched game all I see is people fighting about politics, that wow is the best game ever, talking about porn/hentai due to the female characters and insulting people that ask for help.
I hate to say it, but this is very typical of an Asian MMO.
So if a game is eastern but the bad community is from the west it's still because it's asian?
Some people make me shake my head so much...
Yeah, I literally face-palmed when I read that. Head shaking to follow. The ignorance is real.
Obvious troll is not so obvious?
Look at his username. Think about what Mr. Mel Gibson is known for other than acting.
Please enlighten me how I was trolling? Or were you just trying to jump in with the cool kids?
Well considering your user name and the content of the post it seemed logical. Do YOU know what Mel is known for other than acting?
BTW I agree with you about the moderation and how people jumped to the wrong conclusion. But considering your name I thought it was part of the joke. You know as well as I do that insinuating one culture is not on the same level as all the others will get you in trouble on the Internet.
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I hate to say it, but this is very typical of an Asian MMO.
So if a game is eastern but the bad community is from the west it's still because it's asian?
Some people make me shake my head so much...
Maybe you should also learn to read past the first sentence. You must be one of those people who click on a article and go right to the comments and ask what the article was about. Never once said it's the fault of the Asian Developers. I even said it's the fault of the COMMUNITY of that particular game. Just saying that this is ubiquitous to Asian mmos in the west. People like you make me shake my damn head.
I did read it all.
The fact you think asian mmos have the worst communities is what made me shake my head.
Don't generalize next time. I know hating on the asian mmos is the popular thing to do on this site but that was uncalled for when even western mmos have toxic people.
Give us a name of some Asian MMO's that are pvp centric and dont have these kind of toxic turds in them instead of just cry that there are... Don't worry...I'll wait. The one thing in this world you can defifnitly generalize are MMO'S from Asia lol. And don't get me wrong we have turds but our community managment for western MMO's is important to us and not to them thats obvious.
I hate to say it, but this is very typical of an Asian MMO.
So if a game is eastern but the bad community is from the west it's still because it's asian?
Some people make me shake my head so much...
Yeah, I literally face-palmed when I read that. Head shaking to follow. The ignorance is real.
Obvious troll is not so obvious?
Look at his username. Think about what Mr. Mel Gibson is known for other than acting.
Please enlighten me how I was trolling? Or were you just trying to jump in with the cool kids?
Well considering your user name and the content of the post it seemed logical. Do YOU know what Mel is known for other than acting?
BTW I agree with you about the moderation and how people jumped to the wrong conclusion. But considering your name I thought it was part of the joke. You know as well as I do that insinuating one culture is not on the same level as all the others will get you in trouble on the Internet.
I see where you are coming from. Especially the name. But, I've been here for a long time. I definitely wasn't attempting to troll. Just point out the obvious outcome when the kids are left alone to do whatever. Asian mmos in the East don't really need the moderation because they don't seem to have the same issues as the western servers. But, after so many mmos being ported to the west. You would think at least one company would try to keep some decency in the game.
I see and read just as much prejudice on these forums as I do in any given game I play East or West. The mods do a good job on here yet you still see a lot of Asian references that are derogatory in nature. As a Korean American I have been offended more than once here,other forums and in many games. East and West. I just ignore it and move on. (At least try to)
I have yet to understand how Can someone be offended by random tHIngs on the interNet, especially by some silly Generalizations. I personalLy have never had problems with nOt doing something so not getting offended just seems Like the easiest thing.
I do agree mods on this site do a reasonably good job though.
The fact you think asian mmos have the worst communities is what made me shake my head.
Don't generalize next time. I know hating on the asian mmos is the popular thing to do on this site but that was uncalled for when even western mmos have toxic people.
Wow, again you did not read a thing I wrote lol. I never blamed the actual mmo and developer. Nvm, it's obviously pointless discussing this with you. You don't even read what I rebuttal.
Where exactly am I saying you are calling asian developers bad? Please point it out to me as I didn't say such thing.
What I am telling you is that no, not only asian mmos have had toxic communities in the beginning and it's uncalled for to say it's typical for asian mmos. So western mmos have no flaws when they launch? Cause whenever I join a launched game all I see is people fighting about politics, that wow is the best game ever, talking about porn/hentai due to the female characters and insulting people that ask for help.
Be it eastern or western both suffer from this.
Where exactly did I say western mmos didn't have toxic communities? I've been playing mmos since DaoC. I have seen my share of toxic behavior in these games. My experience in the Asian mmos ported to the west is that they are the most toxic of all the mmo communities. Don't believe me? Log into Tera or B&S and the general chat will be spammed full of gold sellers and vitriol. You really seem to be getting really defensive about this. I'm not generalizing a race of people, just mmos. You know games so calm down Nancy.
Give us a name of some Asian MMO's that are pvp centric and dont have these kind of toxic turds in them instead of just cry that there are... Don't worry...I'll wait. The one thing in this world you can defifnitly generalize are MMO'S from Asia lol. And don't get me wrong we have turds but our community managment for western MMO's is important to us and not to them thats obvious.
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I think he meant an Asian mmo that is actually alive in the west and not an Eastern only mmo.
Making this post has to be because you are bored or really sensitive, either way I will bite. People can hardly speak their minds outside anonymous circles like online games because so many things these days offend people. I am not one of those people that roll like that for its not my style but I do not go around forcing people to act a certain way. I am sure a good amount of people that behave this way in online games are really just trolling and messing around since its funny/entertaining for some of them. I do not care at all what they say and even laugh at some of the text I end up reading because its so ridiculous sounding. I suggest maybe you should just stop playing if it keeps you up at night or just grow some skin and roll with it. These are probably young lads too that are getting to you. Come on, shrug at this shit dude.
I would rather have more people to fight in pvp instead of banning them. I also like reading their smack talk when they lose.
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Well PvP has a few things going for it:
1. People tend to be less competitive as they age, meaning PvP attracts a younger audience
http://quanticfoundry.com/2016/02/10/gamer-generation/
2. PvP, not just in video games, but in most competitive activities lends itself to trash talking. No, trash talking doesn't mean racism, but it does mean that people are already prone to slinging insults so it's not a stretch for anyone with bigoted notions to express them.
3. Part and parcel of 'the youths' is a greater degree of trolling. So mixed in with genuine hate speech is disingenuous troll speech where they may not mean what they say, but say it because they know it will cause a commotion. aka attention whoring.
So yeah, PvP is an ideal breeding ground for this type of behavior. And you really only have to pay the slightest bit of attention to notice it. This isn't to say that PvE doesn't have any hate speech or bigoted groups, just that it's lesser in comparison PvP oriented games.
You don't see this as much in the western mmos because people actually get bans and etc from getting reported or they are actually watching the chat. This problem is the thing I hate the most about the Asian mmos. Not the devs but the western nutbags that seem to flood these games. Hopefully you actual read what I wrote this time and not hurt your neck from all that shaking.
Maybe you should also learn to read past the first sentence. You must be one of those people who click on a article and go right to the comments and ask what the article was about. Never once said it's the fault of the Asian Developers. I even said it's the fault of the COMMUNITY of that particular game. Just saying that this is ubiquitous to Asian mmos in the west. People like you make me shake my damn head.
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Also i am not entirely sure that age matter all that much in to it. Some of the worst posterior primates i have met through life have been in the 25-45 range... People who should know better but simply take pleasure in putting others down.
Sure the 14-18 crowd tend to posture a lot more and stand for most of the asshattery driven from sexual insecurity. But the other group is the one that tend to provide more pure and venomous hate... and are usually much better at aiming it.
Either way there should never be a attitude of "it is ok because it is a PvP game" as the person i quoted alluded to.
This have been a good conversation
The fact you think asian mmos have the worst communities is what made me shake my head.
Don't generalize next time. I know hating on the asian mmos is the popular thing to do on this site but that was uncalled for when even western mmos have toxic people.
True, but those days are over, I am surprised if a MMO these days has more than one person working in customer service.
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What I am telling you is that no, not only asian mmos have had toxic communities in the beginning and it's uncalled for to say it's typical for asian mmos. So western mmos have no flaws when they launch? Cause whenever I join a launched game all I see is people fighting about politics, that wow is the best game ever, talking about porn/hentai due to the female characters and insulting people that ask for help.
Be it eastern or western both suffer from this.
BTW I agree with you about the moderation and how people jumped to the wrong conclusion. But considering your name I thought it was part of the joke. You know as well as I do that insinuating one culture is not on the same level as all the others will get you in trouble on the Internet.
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I do agree mods on this site do a reasonably good job though.
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I would rather have more people to fight in pvp instead of banning them. I also like reading their smack talk when they lose.