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People complain about grind/complain about too easy to level/complain about no end game once you reach max level.
No one is happy these days. Ever think about just slowing down and taking your time in a game and not caring what is at the "end"? Hell some folks bough BDO just to fish; and they love it; can you believe that? I can...the game is what you make it; but you can't make it out to be something it is not...does that even make sense? It can.
This post is on to something that i'd like to expand on a bit. The problem with players that complain about grind is that they put too much focus on that XP bar. And the reason they do that is because they're to anxious to get to that glorious mountain top, the top level "end game."
To make a long story short, that's like sitting in class at 9:00am, and instead of engaging yourself in classroom activities, socializing with friends, and just engaging in miscellaneous activities that make the time go by quicker, you sit there staring at the time clock non-stop all day, anxiously waiting to be done wit school.
Yep L2 had some really epic grinding, if you were involved in politics at all it was even worse, every week was a fight to keep XP progress from resetting from dying during sieges.
This game is a bit of a grind tho, not that its bad, its just not gonna appeal to everyone, I for one like to go find a good spot and have a good grind session but its not for everyone.
What I love about BDO is that if I get bored of doing one thing, I have like ten other options to do something else. I have been playing the game well over a month now and there are still some game mechanics I have yet to experience.
What I love about BDO is that if I get bored of doing one thing, I have like ten other options to do something else. I have been playing the game well over a month now and there are still some game mechanics I have yet to experience.
Same. I hadn't done much trading other than sell my fish to the trader NPC but I got a Noble Wagon a couple of days ago mostly to level 4 horses at once but now the trading bug bit me too
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DAOC's first lvl 50's didn't start appearing on the servers until after the first month of the game's release, for 95% of the community it took 6 months to a year to get there.
So why do people think BDO is such a grind?
Most ESO (casual) players need between 6-12 months to get to VR16, yet ESO is considered the least grindy MMO of them all. Sure you can get to the level cap in a week if you'd want to, but I'm talking about the majority that doesn't rush or grind for xp.
So why is BDO a grind? Because leveling through quests is not an enjoyable experience. It's a horrible waste of time just like WoW and most other MMOs. BDO is built around classic grinding, because it doesn't offer you enjoyable alternatives. In some MMOs you can at least level through dungeons, which is still a grind, but that's still way more fun than grinding on your own.
Most MMOs are grindy, some more, some less. BDO is the worst of them all.
Anyone remember L2 or Aion? Holy F those were a grind to me. This game, not so much. Yeah there is plenty to do; but the way the game is made (sort of like macros in SWG) you can do it afk.
BDO follows the western model for single player games that has extended to MMOs: buy the game -> play for some days until you finish the adventure -> put the game on the self and wait for the next big thing.
BDO follows the western model for single player games that has extended to MMOs: buy the game -> play for some days until you finish the adventure -> put the game on the self and wait for the next big thing.
I talked to a friend the other day, and she said she gave up on BD, due to the massive grinding. She wasn't very specific though. It might not be a grind to veterans, but it's a very different perception in the post-WoW era of MMO's.
There is absolutely nothing magical that happens at level 50 so I'm not sure why folks keep throwing that number around. If anything, it's level 49 when you get the quest that allows you to reach level 50 but the level itself is very misleading and certainly doesn't allow you to be competitive by any stretch of the word. Hell, even level 45 is a more important number than 50 because that's when you can pvp.
There were no level 55's on any server, 1 week after launch (including headstart). If I recall the highest level at the time was maybe 53 but that really doesn't matter because there is no level cap which means you will ALWAYS be grinding for the next level.
The black stones necessary to upgrade all gear to +15 across the board is no joke. Are they easy to come by? Sure but extremely repetitive. The crafting, the questing (no combat exp whatsoever for quests), damn near everything about BDO is a grind.
Now, that being said, I don't know of a single MMO that doesn't have some sort of grind in it the trick is how you mask that grind. BDO does it with stellar combat and some interesting mechanics but make no mistake, the grind is VERY real in the game.
A grind is a grind. Invoking old games that were more of a time sink doesn't change what a grind is. It's factory like repetition, with some kind of feature creep attached to it.
Different people have different thresholds of how much they can take but it is what it is. Adding a grind or some overly RNG based mechanic to a game is an uncreative way to slow a player from "advancing too fast". Well no, it simply rewards people with compulsive behavior and makes people who have normal routine fall behind. MMORPGs reward people who can dedicate full time job hours or money.
What happened to being rewarded 1:1 for solving a problem or being good at a game? How about making things challenging enough that the experience of finding solutions is valuable?
All this grind shit does is promote people finding shortcuts that live beyond the game boundaries.
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BDO absolutely has a grind to it. But the grind is packaged around a bunch of other systems for you to do stuff. BDO is not instant gratification going from one quest hub to the next quest hub where you 'finish' a game after a month to play the next game. If that is what you are looking for, you will not find it with BDO.
I guess it takes too much thinking for some to take the next step and realize that everything is a grind and that how you feel about that grind has everything to do with whether you think it's a positive or negative word.
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I guess it takes too much thinking for some to take the next step and realize that everything is a grind and that how you feel about that grind has everything to do with whether you think it's a positive or negative word.
That word gets thrown around too easily though.
Grind: to reduce to powder or small fragments by friction
...or in other words, to repeat an action over and over again.
In MMO's, grinding usually meant staying in one area, killing mobs over and over again, until you get a drop, level up, or progress with reputation/factions. Now everyone uses it for questing, dungeons, raids, pvp, etc..
Yes, these activities can be considered repeating actions, but you are also more mobile, and doing much more with game mechanics, instead of staying in one area spamming the same repetitive keystrokes.
DAOC's first lvl 50's didn't start appearing on the servers until after the first month of the game's release, for 95% of the community it took 6 months to a year to get there.
So why do people think BDO is such a grind?
Most ESO (casual) players need between 6-12 months to get to VR16, yet ESO is considered the least grindy MMO of them all. Sure you can get to the level cap in a week if you'd want to, but I'm talking about the majority that doesn't rush or grind for xp.
So why is BDO a grind? Because leveling through quests is not an enjoyable experience. It's a horrible waste of time just like WoW and most other MMOs. BDO is built around classic grinding, because it doesn't offer you enjoyable alternatives. In some MMOs you can at least level through dungeons, which is still a grind, but that's still way more fun than grinding on your own.
Most MMOs are grindy, some more, some less. BDO is the worst of them all.
You can't make sweeping statements and assume it's the same for us all.
i have never gone to a pile of mobs and attacked then just to get xp to level. Why, because I'm in no rush to level so dont see the need - so zero grind for me there.
im enjoying the quests because they are more than just go and kill 10 frogs, they are about learning the cooking and crafting and exploring too, which I am enjoying. I like the questing as do many others.
its only a grind if you are desperate to get to the level cap and are engaging in the most xp delivering activities to do so. Like anything in life, it's what you make of it.
its like taking a week off work and getting in your car with your family, to drive around and explore new places, cities and tourist attractions. You can do it over a week and get out of the car and really take a look at every place you visit, or you could just drive the route in 2 days and moan that it was boring. your rush to the end to then complain about it simply reveals a level of immaturity.
the fact you said grinding mobs to level is a horrible waste is time reveals what a rush you are in.
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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To make a long story short, that's like sitting in class at 9:00am, and instead of engaging yourself in classroom activities, socializing with friends, and just engaging in miscellaneous activities that make the time go by quicker, you sit there staring at the time clock non-stop all day, anxiously waiting to be done wit school.
The grind is what you make it.
This game is a bit of a grind tho, not that its bad, its just not gonna appeal to everyone, I for one like to go find a good spot and have a good grind session but its not for everyone.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
So why is BDO a grind? Because leveling through quests is not an enjoyable experience. It's a horrible waste of time just like WoW and most other MMOs. BDO is built around classic grinding, because it doesn't offer you enjoyable alternatives. In some MMOs you can at least level through dungeons, which is still a grind, but that's still way more fun than grinding on your own.
Most MMOs are grindy, some more, some less. BDO is the worst of them all.
There were no level 55's on any server, 1 week after launch (including headstart). If I recall the highest level at the time was maybe 53 but that really doesn't matter because there is no level cap which means you will ALWAYS be grinding for the next level.
The black stones necessary to upgrade all gear to +15 across the board is no joke. Are they easy to come by? Sure but extremely repetitive. The crafting, the questing (no combat exp whatsoever for quests), damn near everything about BDO is a grind.
Now, that being said, I don't know of a single MMO that doesn't have some sort of grind in it the trick is how you mask that grind. BDO does it with stellar combat and some interesting mechanics but make no mistake, the grind is VERY real in the game.
Different people have different thresholds of how much they can take but it is what it is. Adding a grind or some overly RNG based mechanic to a game is an uncreative way to slow a player from "advancing too fast". Well no, it simply rewards people with compulsive behavior and makes people who have normal routine fall behind. MMORPGs reward people who can dedicate full time job hours or money.
What happened to being rewarded 1:1 for solving a problem or being good at a game? How about making things challenging enough that the experience of finding solutions is valuable?
All this grind shit does is promote people finding shortcuts that live beyond the game boundaries.
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These people need to stop playing MMOs. Everything is a grindfest to people that have played them too long.
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
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“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Grind: to reduce to powder or small fragments by friction
...or in other words, to repeat an action over and over again.
In MMO's, grinding usually meant staying in one area, killing mobs over and over again, until you get a drop, level up, or progress with reputation/factions. Now everyone uses it for questing, dungeons, raids, pvp, etc..
Yes, these activities can be considered repeating actions, but you are also more mobile, and doing much more with game mechanics, instead of staying in one area spamming the same repetitive keystrokes.
i have never gone to a pile of mobs and attacked then just to get xp to level. Why, because I'm in no rush to level so dont see the need - so zero grind for me there.
im enjoying the quests because they are more than just go and kill 10 frogs, they are about learning the cooking and crafting and exploring too, which I am enjoying. I like the questing as do many others.
its only a grind if you are desperate to get to the level cap and are engaging in the most xp delivering activities to do so. Like anything in life, it's what you make of it.
its like taking a week off work and getting in your car with your family, to drive around and explore new places, cities and tourist attractions. You can do it over a week and get out of the car and really take a look at every place you visit, or you could just drive the route in 2 days and moan that it was boring. your rush to the end to then complain about it simply reveals a level of immaturity.
the fact you said grinding mobs to level is a horrible waste is time reveals what a rush you are in.