So how sure are you this game will be as promised?

Maurgrim

I've been following this game for many years and no I haven't bought any pixles.
So much money being invested is it even possible to give the players at release this massive amount of feature list they have promised or will we see a skeleton game were we can "invest" in future development?

I can see the release, It's not the game they promised, It's a game that works but the key features are not in, you have to invest more money in the game to make sead feature being worked on.

Am I wrong how I see it?

GrumpyHobbit

Wait till it comes out and then you will know. 

Anything else is just guesswork.

Daikuru

I dont care, as long as it will be good.

laserit

What game ever is?

SEANMCAD

why is the promise important?

Kefo

Daikuru said:

I dont care, as long as it will be good.

The drama surrounding the development of the game will provide more fun and will be better than anything they might release

Excession

SEANMCAD said:

why is the promise important?

Around 110 million reason's why it should be important....

Shodanas

"..i haven't bought any pixels.."

Oh, one of those posts. Again..

I'll humor you though since i am among the many who bought "pixels". The game will suck and CR is fleecing people's cash.

Is that an acceptable answer ?

SEANMCAD

Excession said:

SEANMCAD said:

why is the promise important?

Around 110 million reason's why it should be important....

it was more of an hypothetical question. If you are given something that you find better than what was promised by a large margin but not what was promised then is that a problem?

example:
'yes I would like a small serving of beef jerky please'
'well we are out of jerky but we can give you a T bone steak made from the best meat in the country and any side you want if that pleases you'

OhhPaigey

I seen somewhere (I forget where) about how, if this game fails or under delivers it will basically kill crowd funding.

It's an interesting thought, I think crowd funding will end up killing itself, how soon though, I'm not too sure. How many times can you under deliver garbage and take peoples money without consequence?

Like I said before, crowd funding is almost like buying random people lottery tickets. I'd rather support a game that can release on it's own through their own funding, because it shows promise, future, ect.

I'm pretty sure if you were $500,000 or $1 million+ into a "project" you're gonna do your very best to make sure it lives up to what you said it would.

It's a lot easier to spend somebody else's money than it is your own.

SEANMCAD

OhhPaigey said:

I seen somewhere (I forget where) about how, if this game fails or under delivers it will basically kill crowd funding.

It's an interesting thought, I think crowd funding will end up killing itself, how soon though, I'm not too sure. How many times can you under deliver garbage and take peoples money without consequence?

Like I said before, crowd funding is almost like buying random people lottery tickets. I'd rather support a game that can release on it's own through their own funding, because it shows promise, future, ect.

I'm pretty sure if you were $500,000 or $1 million+ into a "project" you're gonna do your very best to make sure it lives up to what you said it would.

It's a lot easier to spend somebody else's money than it is your own.

let me take a wild guess.

You think the only VR headset that will be remotely successful is the Sony one. all others will fail

OhhPaigey

SEANMCAD said:

OhhPaigey said:

I seen somewhere (I forget where) about how, if this game fails or under delivers it will basically kill crowd funding.

It's an interesting thought, I think crowd funding will end up killing itself, how soon though, I'm not too sure. How many times can you under deliver garbage and take peoples money without consequence?

Like I said before, crowd funding is almost like buying random people lottery tickets. I'd rather support a game that can release on it's own through their own funding, because it shows promise, future, ect.

I'm pretty sure if you were $500,000 or $1 million+ into a "project" you're gonna do your very best to make sure it lives up to what you said it would.

It's a lot easier to spend somebody else's money than it is your own.

let me take a wild guess.

You think the only VR headset that will be remotely successful is the Sony one. all others will fail

I don't care about VR headsets. I've heard about them but I haven't done any research nor do I care to.

But I do own a PS4. So you very well could be right. If that helps. ^_^

SEANMCAD

OhhPaigey said:

SEANMCAD said:

OhhPaigey said:

I seen somewhere (I forget where) about how, if this game fails or under delivers it will basically kill crowd funding.

It's an interesting thought, I think crowd funding will end up killing itself, how soon though, I'm not too sure. How many times can you under deliver garbage and take peoples money without consequence?

Like I said before, crowd funding is almost like buying random people lottery tickets. I'd rather support a game that can release on it's own through their own funding, because it shows promise, future, ect.

I'm pretty sure if you were $500,000 or $1 million+ into a "project" you're gonna do your very best to make sure it lives up to what you said it would.

It's a lot easier to spend somebody else's money than it is your own.

let me take a wild guess.

You think the only VR headset that will be remotely successful is the Sony one. all others will fail

I don't care about VR headsets. I've heard about them but I haven't done any research nor do I care to.

But I do own a PS4. So you very well could be right. If that helps. ^_^

VR is likely one of the most successful crowdfunded stories todate

Asm0deus

I'm not and don't expect it to be like promised because no game ever is.  I do think however the end product will be something I can enjoy.

Shodanas

OhhPaigey said:

Like I said before, crowd funding is almost like buying random people lottery tickets. I'd rather support a game that can release on it's own through their own funding, because it shows promise, future, ect.

Games with own funding aka established developers and publishers show very little promise these days bar some few exceptions.

On the other hand crowd funding has given us dozen of top quality games over the years. Titles like Elite Dangerous, Pillars of Eternity, Divinity Original Sin, Wasteland, The Banner Saga, Shadowrun and many more are here because of KS and crowd funding.

H0urg1ass

It will have all the features currently promised.  In ten years.

OhhPaigey

Shodanas said:

OhhPaigey said:

Like I said before, crowd funding is almost like buying random people lottery tickets. I'd rather support a game that can release on it's own through their own funding, because it shows promise, future, ect.

Games with own funding aka established developers and publishers show very little promise these days bar some few exceptions.

On the other hand crowd funding has given us dozen of top quality games over the years. Titles like Elite Dangerous, Pillars of Eternity, Divinity Original Sin, Wasteland, The Banner Saga, Shadowrun and many more are here because of KS and crowd funding.

Fair enough, my next question was going to be what you just listed.

Now can you name a crown funded MMO of top quality?

I'm trying to think of some, but nothing comes to mind.

ShrikeArghast

I'm just going to sit back and munch popcorn when it doesn't even come close to living up to the hype. In fact, I believe I'll have some now as the fanboys twist and snap in the wind trying to defend this endless development cycle. 

Talonsin

Shodanas said:

"..i haven't bought any pixels.."

Oh, one of those posts. Again..

I'll humor you though since i am among the many who bought "pixels". The game will suck and CR is fleecing people's cash.

Is that an acceptable answer ?

Someone got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning... 

waynejr2

Maurgrim said:

I've been following this game for many years and no I haven't bought any pixles.
So much money being invested is it even possible to give the players at release this massive amount of feature list they have promised or will we see a skeleton game were we can "invest" in future development?

I can see the release, It's not the game they promised, It's a game that works but the key features are not in, you have to invest more money in the game to make sead feature being worked on.

Am I wrong how I see it?

Even if they give a 100% reproduction of what they claimed, that doesn't mean someone can't find some reasoning that attacks the results.

Talonsin

Honestly, there is no way everything Chris Roberts mentioned as features will find its way into the game.  Co-Op was a huge feature and it was already reduced to almost zero, (only a few select missions in the single player will allow co-op).

If Chris can get a playable, FUN game launched in 4 more years, that is the question.  On the bright side, one more year and we backers should at least have a 30 mission single player to hold us over for the next few years.

Talonsin

GrumpyHobbit said:

Wait till it comes out and then you will know. 

Anything else is just guesswork.

This is my favorite reply.  Do you think this would work for those who backed Greed Monger???

GrumpyHobbit

Talonsin said:

GrumpyHobbit said:

Wait till it comes out and then you will know. 

Anything else is just guesswork.

This is my favorite reply.  Do you think this would work for those who backed Greed Monger???

Have you asked?
And just to check, is it a kickstarter game or product?

I vaguely recognise the phrase but no idea what it is.

If I had to guess, knowing you, it is probably one that hasn't done well that you want to use to identify some sort of scam/failure/greed connection to SC....While ignoring all the successful kickstarter campaigns in the process.

Selective memory/reasoning I take it.

Deathenger

Given all the controversy surrounding the game with all the insider leaks and other such stories I would have to lean on the side of.... oh HELL NOES.

All bullshitting aside, the concept is amazing and what they have doesn't look too shabby from a graphical standpoint. The issues from the insiders all kind of point to the same issues. You cant accomplish anything if you keep redoing shit and wasting money in the process.

If the game ever released as promised I will live streaming myself smearing a fresh dog turd across my forehead and profess my love for Chris Roberts. Until that day happens I will continue to question the way they do shit and look toward the leakers for the real truth.

DKLond

First, I think you need to define what a "promise" is to you.

If a "promise" is what a developer wants to have in his dream game that he sometimes talks about as something that will be in the game at some point - then no game was ever released as promised.

However, I'm reasonably confident that SOMETHING will be released EVENTUALLY that's going to be worth my investment and then some.

In general, I would recommend staying FAR away from any crowd-funded project if you can't afford to take a chance.

At least, until it's released.

So, for Star Citizen - just wait a few years and all will become clear.

Adjuvant1

I think most people following this project know it's not going to be everything it's been said it will be. We should be explaining that to people newly exposed to the project, not letting them find out for themselves, after the 2 week refund period has expired.

Just think of how happy the banks will be with us, every person we encourage to wait for a complete product could be one less chargeback.