I don't think they promised much. Its like a huge balloon full of air. Saying look at all I'm going to give you and yes there is a huge balloon but its full of air. So all this "substance" isn't really more then a marketing trick because there are countless games that have the features that this game hasn't even finished yet.
Around 110 million reason's why it should be important....
it was more of an hypothetical question. If you are given something that you find better than what was promised by a large margin but not what was promised then is that a problem?
example: 'yes I would like a small serving of beef jerky please' 'well we are out of jerky but we can give you a T bone steak made from the best meat in the country and any side you want if that pleases you'
Your analogy is a bit off. It's more like:
CIG: We have T-bone for sale, $9.95, ready in 20 minutes. Customer: I'll take one. Here's my money. CIG,10 minutes later: We're upgrading your T-bone to a Filet Mignon, but it won't be ready for another hour. Would you like to buy some bread sticks while you wait?
Around 110 million reason's why it should be important....
it was more of an hypothetical question. If you are given something that you find better than what was promised by a large margin but not what was promised then is that a problem?
example: 'yes I would like a small serving of beef jerky please' 'well we are out of jerky but we can give you a T bone steak made from the best meat in the country and any side you want if that pleases you'
Your analogy is a bit off. It's more like:
CIG: We have T-bone for sale, $9.95, ready in 20 minutes. Customer: I'll take one. Here's my money. CIG,10 minutes later: We're upgrading your T-bone to a Filet Mignon, but it won't be ready for another hour. Would you like to buy some bread sticks while you wait?
Actually its more like we are giving you steak sauce. Its still the steak you were promised just with a little sauce.
I've been following this game for many years and no I haven't bought any pixles. So much money being invested is it even possible to give the players at release this massive amount of feature list they have promised or will we see a skeleton game were we can "invest" in future development?
I can see the release, It's not the game they promised, It's a game that works but the key features are not in, you have to invest more money in the game to make sead feature being worked on.
Am I wrong how I see it?
Simply put, no. There is a 0% chance that SC will ship as promised. Remember that there were things which were "promised" which have already been removed. However, this isn't exclusive to SC. Elite: Dangerous is another example, who didn't ship with an offline mode which was apparently promised. There are ample other examples, especially of crowd-funded games. However, it's not even confined to crowd-funding, this happens in dev shops all the time. They have a whole methodology developed specifically to deal with scope change (shrinking or growing). The only reason that crowd-funded games appear to be worse at managing their features, than closed development houses, is that you're pitched the feature set that they want to deliver. So, in reality, how can you be anything but let down?
I think that the real question is what will a Star Citizen release look like? What features WILL it ship with? What will be available at release?
Games which are most successful at managing expectations will be most successful at release.
I am 100% sure this is the wrong way to make a game. I like Kickstarter and everything, but promising the world and not delivering is nothing but bad. Look at what a joke Peter Molyeux is now. There is so much hype and money surrounding this game, it has to be an amazing game or it will be considered a failure. That or they will split it into multiple games, trying to suck as much money out of it as possible and we will end up with a shell of the original idea.
Around 110 million reason's why it should be important....
it was more of an hypothetical question. If you are given something that you find better than what was promised by a large margin but not what was promised then is that a problem?
example: 'yes I would like a small serving of beef jerky please' 'well we are out of jerky but we can give you a T bone steak made from the best meat in the country and any side you want if that pleases you'
Your analogy is a bit off. It's more like:
CIG: We have T-bone for sale, $9.95, ready in 20 minutes. Customer: I'll take one. Here's my money. CIG,10 minutes later: We're upgrading your T-bone to a Filet Mignon, but it won't be ready for another hour. Would you like to buy some bread sticks while you wait?
I wasnt trying to compare my example to SC directly. It was more of a generalized comment. I have seen game posters get extreemly anal about 'promises' and completely over look and not care that sometimes (not in this case) but sometimes the broken promise ends up being a lot better than the promise.
but to be fair its not an easy question there are cases as an example where beef jerky really is exactly what a person wants, expects and a steak isnt going to cut it.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
It's a game, no matter how good it is we will all be sick of it in a few months anyway.
Who cares, play the balls off it (or don't) and then move on with your life. It's not even an mmorpg that you play for years, it's just a space sim with some multiplayer features.
It's a game, no matter how good it is we will all be sick of it in a few months anyway.
Who cares, play the balls off it (or don't) and then move on with your life. It's not even an mmorpg that you play for years, it's just a space sim with some multiplayer features.
to be fair I think I have 700 hours in 7 days to die
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
TONIGHT will be an interesting and game changing enlightenment!
Well, the E.L.E. blog is out and it contains ... nothing new.
Its just pages and pages of the same ole same ole
Kind of sad wasnt it? First he is removing his game from steam and then his big "extinction" post fails. I was really hoping for some new drama. Things have gotten a bit stale this last few weeks.
"Sean (Murray) saying MP will be in the game is not remotely close to evidence that at the point of purchase people thought there was MP in the game." - SEANMCAD
Kind of sad wasnt it? First he is removing his game from steam and then his big "extinction" post fails. I was really hoping for some new drama. Things have gotten a bit stale this last few weeks.
I was expecting something along the line that there are rumours that the laws for equity crowdfunding are about to be changed (something in the area of "max. 1 million per year").
It is not anything that applies to THIS case of crowdfunding .. but when has that ever stopped TheSmarty ?
Denial is a coping mechanism that gives you time to adjust to distressing situations — but staying in denial can interfere with treatment or your ability to tackle challenges.
This is my favorite reply. Do you think this would work for those who backed Greed Monger???
Have you asked? And just to check, is it a kickstarter game or product?
I vaguely recognise the phrase but no idea what it is.
If I had to guess, knowing you, it is probably one that hasn't done well that you want to use to identify some sort of scam/failure/greed connection to SC....While ignoring all the successful kickstarter campaigns in the process.
Selective memory/reasoning I take it.
A little cranky there eh? I guess your forum name fits you well.
Greed Monger was a kickstarter that was successfully funded but failed to ever create a product. I was not linking it to SC. I was linking it to the terrible advice you were giving people to just sit back and do nothing until the game comes out. I guess in your world, you throw money at things and then stand idly by and hope they produce the desired effect but many of us tend to stay focused on projects involving our money.
Look, you were also wrong about my motivation for posting about it. I guess you were wrong about a lot of things. I doubt you would admit to it though...
"Sean (Murray) saying MP will be in the game is not remotely close to evidence that at the point of purchase people thought there was MP in the game." - SEANMCAD
Denial is a coping mechanism that gives you time to adjust to distressing situations — but staying in denial can interfere with treatment or your ability to tackle challenges.
Pardon me, what you just typed is completely out of context and irrelevant with the discussion above.
Also, can we please have a countdown timer about that E.L.E event ?
Given all the controversy surrounding the game with all the insider leaks and other such stories I would have to lean on the side of.... oh HELL NOES.
All bullshitting aside, the concept is amazing and what they have doesn't look too shabby from a graphical standpoint. The issues from the insiders all kind of point to the same issues. You cant accomplish anything if you keep redoing shit and wasting money in the process.
If the game ever released as promised I will live streaming myself smearing a fresh dog turd across my forehead and profess my love for Chris Roberts. Until that day happens I will continue to question the way they do shit and look toward the leakers for the real truth.
I dont know about all that but I do believe as backers to a project, we have a responsibility to ask for information and question when reports of things seem off. One example is the (suspected) loan, why would Chris need to take a loan when the backers have given 110 million? What proof does Derek have that one or more loans have been taken out by Chris? Why does Chris need 14 different companies around the globe to make this game?
As a backer, there is nothing wrong with asking questions or asking for additional information when you are not satisfied with the answers provided.
"Sean (Murray) saying MP will be in the game is not remotely close to evidence that at the point of purchase people thought there was MP in the game." - SEANMCAD
Denial is a coping mechanism that gives you time to adjust to distressing situations — but staying in denial can interfere with treatment or your ability to tackle challenges.
Pardon me, what you just typed is completely out of context and irrelevant with the discussion above.
Also, can we please have a countdown timer about that E.L.E event ?
Actually it is right on point to discussion. You just fail to see it. Oh that countdown timer wasn't from DS at least that is how I read it. But at times you do not make very mush sense in what you post, it is mostly just attacks at people.
Denial is a coping mechanism that gives you time to adjust to distressing situations — but staying in denial can interfere with treatment or your ability to tackle challenges.
Pardon me, what you just typed is completely out of context and irrelevant with the discussion above.
Also, can we please have a countdown timer about that E.L.E event ?
Actually it is right on point to discussion. You just fail to see it. Oh that countdown timer wasn't from DS at least that is how I read it. But at times you do not make very mush sense in what you post, it is mostly just attacks at people.
Did i mention DS ?
I merely asked for a countdown timer. I believe you can create one on the web and then give us the link. Since you people have info about this E.L.E the rest of us don't have it would be cool if you could make a timer for us.
Why don't you read what CR has said in his last few video's it is all right there. I do hope the media starts to pick this up. It is time to see some real journalism and investigations on gaming sites to start taking a hard look at CR and his companies.
We all knew what you meant by the timer, you commented in the thread it was in few days back.
I merely asked for a countdown timer. I believe you can create one on the web and then give us the link. Since you people have info about this E.L.E the rest of us don't have it would be cool if you could make a timer for us.
While I think Derek has made a few key points about things over the last year, the only thing being extinct that we need a timer for is the last bit of his reputation.
"Sean (Murray) saying MP will be in the game is not remotely close to evidence that at the point of purchase people thought there was MP in the game." - SEANMCAD
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Either this will be the biggest and best game ever made, or it will be the biggest flop con of all gaming history.
My bet sits on the latter.
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In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
CIG: We have T-bone for sale, $9.95, ready in 20 minutes.
Customer: I'll take one. Here's my money.
CIG,10 minutes later: We're upgrading your T-bone to a Filet Mignon, but it won't be ready for another hour. Would you like to buy some bread sticks while you wait?
Simply put, no. There is a 0% chance that SC will ship as promised. Remember that there were things which were "promised" which have already been removed. However, this isn't exclusive to SC. Elite: Dangerous is another example, who didn't ship with an offline mode which was apparently promised. There are ample other examples, especially of crowd-funded games. However, it's not even confined to crowd-funding, this happens in dev shops all the time. They have a whole methodology developed specifically to deal with scope change (shrinking or growing). The only reason that crowd-funded games appear to be worse at managing their features, than closed development houses, is that you're pitched the feature set that they want to deliver. So, in reality, how can you be anything but let down?
I think that the real question is what will a Star Citizen release look like? What features WILL it ship with? What will be available at release?
Games which are most successful at managing expectations will be most successful at release.
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but to be fair its not an easy question there are cases as an example where beef jerky really is exactly what a person wants, expects and a steak isnt going to cut it.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Who cares, play the balls off it (or don't) and then move on with your life. It's not even an mmorpg that you play for years, it's just a space sim with some multiplayer features.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Still am not sick of EVE Online after 12 years.
I may get some gametime out of that one ;-)
Have fun
TONIGHT will be an interesting and game changing enlightenment!
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
Its just pages and pages of the same ole same ole
Have fun
It is not anything that applies to THIS case of crowdfunding .. but when has that ever stopped TheSmarty ?
Have fun
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
Too funny!
Greed Monger was a kickstarter that was successfully funded but failed to ever create a product. I was not linking it to SC. I was linking it to the terrible advice you were giving people to just sit back and do nothing until the game comes out. I guess in your world, you throw money at things and then stand idly by and hope they produce the desired effect but many of us tend to stay focused on projects involving our money.
Look, you were also wrong about my motivation for posting about it. I guess you were wrong about a lot of things. I doubt you would admit to it though...
Also, can we please have a countdown timer about that E.L.E event ?
As a backer, there is nothing wrong with asking questions or asking for additional information when you are not satisfied with the answers provided.
at least he's honest
Cheers Grumpy
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
I merely asked for a countdown timer. I believe you can create one on the web and then give us the link. Since you people have info about this E.L.E the rest of us don't have it would be cool if you could make a timer for us.
We all knew what you meant by the timer, you commented in the thread it was in few days back.
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!