The reason I like the Elder Scrolls series is because of these reasons
1. Skill based system instead of a Class based system 2. freedom to roam and not even follow the storyline much. 3. First person view is an option
ESO violates both of these
1. Up until Skyrim TES have had classes. 2. I dont follow the Main Story , Mage Guild or Fighters Guild much. Not even close to being done with any of them. 3. I play in first person all the time.
ESO offers all THREE of these.
almost sold me! thinking of downloading
do you have to do quests?
Actually, the quests in this game aren't really that bad. I would say they are actually "good".
I personally like the Aldmeri Dominion main story.
Like Skyrim? Need more content? Try my Skyrim mod "Godfred's Tomb."
The reason I like the Elder Scrolls series is because of these reasons
1. Skill based system instead of a Class based system 2. freedom to roam and not even follow the storyline much. 3. First person view is an option
ESO violates both of these
1. Up until Skyrim TES have had classes. 2. I dont follow the Main Story , Mage Guild or Fighters Guild much. Not even close to being done with any of them. 3. I play in first person all the time.
ESO offers all THREE of these.
almost sold me! thinking of downloading
do you have to do quests?
Actually, the quests in this game aren't really that bad. I would say they are actually "good".
I personally like the Aldmeri Dominion main story.
Is that a 'yes' to my question? I will take it as such
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
The reason I like the Elder Scrolls series is because of these reasons
1. Skill based system instead of a Class based system 2. freedom to roam and not even follow the storyline much. 3. First person view is an option
ESO violates both of these
1. Up until Skyrim TES have had classes. 2. I dont follow the Main Story , Mage Guild or Fighters Guild much. Not even close to being done with any of them. 3. I play in first person all the time.
ESO offers all THREE of these.
almost sold me! thinking of downloading
do you have to do quests?
If you do look for a box via e.g. Amazon - or an authorised seller. Should be sub $20. Makes it low risk if you do decide its not for you. Also means you will be on Zenimax's servers.
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Is it Classes or Skills? Both. You choose a race and that gives you certain skills to develop. You choose a class and that gives you certain skills to develop. You join the Fighter's Guild - whatever your class - and that gives you certain skills to develop. You also join the Mage's Guild - again whatever your class - ... and ditto.
Any class can use any "weapon type" and for each weapon type there are ditto. And any class can wear any armour and ditto. And anyone can become a vampire with the penalties entailed and ditto. Or a werewolf with the penalties and ditto. And soul shard skills ditto. Lock picking ditto. Undaunted "Guild" ditto. Also Thieve's Guild and Dark Brotherhood ditto. RvR ditto.
And after you have unlocked the skills available in the skill line you enable them by spending skill points. Some skills are passive, some active. Active skills have to be developed by "gaining experience whilst they are on your active skill bar". See below. And at the end of the day you won't quite have enough for everything but you will be not that far off.
Passives may work all the time or may be conditional e.g. weapon passives may require that weapon type to be equipped.
Active skills you select and are limited to 5 + 1 ultimate skill. You also get the option to swap weapons in combat at level 15 and each "weapon" can have a different set of actives.
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So if you want to be a heavy armour, sword and board wielding mage you can be.
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Freedom to roam.
You are free to roam now with a limitation namely until 50 you can only roam in the faction you started in. You cannot initially roam in the other two factions territory. This restriction is going soon. That said the game is huge. So in some ways its a bit like saying an Oblivion character cannot roam around Skyrim; almost a case of thinking of it as three games in one. (The game is huge). However this limitation is being lifted very soon.
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First person view very much an option.
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Do you have to do quests?
If you mean "in order to level" then no. Killing mobs is a viable way to level. The first few levels are quick but subsequently maybe 100 and later 200 mobs for a level vs. 8 to later 15-ish quests with the mobs involved. It varies and different mobs of the same level give different xp depending how hard they are. So leveling just by killing mobs would be a grind but not impossible.
However some skill lines are only unlocked by doing quests. Some only be killing mobs. Some only by exploration. Some only by doing dungeons. And some skill points are gained by quests, about as many by leveling and more than both combined by exploration - and you will have to be able to kill mobs to explore. So if you go on to max your character you will do all three. And the quests may not get easier as you level either due to scaling.
what is a huge turn off to this game far more then how its actually designed is how the community and the developers tend to twist things.
How they turn a class selection in Morrowind that has zero impact on game play and represents about.0000001% of your attention and choices is turned into 'morrowind has classes'
as someone who adores skill based systems and feels they are greatly overlooked I find such tactics offensive and as a result really do not want to be part of the game.
later
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
what is a huge turn off to this game far more then how its actually designed is how the community and the developers tend to twist things.
How they turn a class selection in Morrowind that has zero impact on game play and represents about.0000001% of your attention and choices is turned into 'morrowind has classes'
as someone who adores skill based systems and feels they are greatly overlooked I find such tactics offensive and as a result really do not want to be part of the game.
later
The community is there but - as with AHs - there are implications of them using a megaserver. Some of which are very good but there is a downside.
I forgot to add in my post above that every character gets a manna pool, health pool and stamina pool and subsequent points that they can use how they want - a mage can put them all in stamina or health. And after 50 you get the champion system system and that is totally class agnostic and 100% skill based. And that progression is more than twice as long as the 1-50 stuff. So classes are there but even at the start of the game there are many other skill lines and post 50 it is "skill points" all the way. And there are choices; three skill areas, every third point is allocated to one of the three; each area has three lines. You really can be a very, very tank like mage.
So classes are there but its probably 85% maybe 90%+ skills. I wouldn't say there are any "Morrowind has classes" either.
Edit: How you play depends a lot on what active skills you slot. If you select the Mage class you slot Mage abilities but you could choose to slot Fighter's Guild abilities. Same deal if you select a Fighter you could slot Mage Guild abilities. And you change your active skills as you wish. Over and above this you have CS points which are class agnostic.
what is a huge turn off to this game far more then how its actually designed is how the community and the developers tend to twist things.
How they turn a class selection in Morrowind that has zero impact on game play and represents about.0000001% of your attention and choices is turned into 'morrowind has classes'
as someone who adores skill based systems and feels they are greatly overlooked I find such tactics offensive and as a result really do not want to be part of the game.
later
The community is there but - as with AHs - there are implications of them using a megaserver. Some of which are very good but there is a downside.
I forgot to add in my post above that every character gets a manna pool, health pool and stamina pool and subsequent points that they can use how they want - a mage can put them all in stamina or health. And after 50 you get the champion system system and that is totally class agnostic and 100% skill based. And that progression is more than twice as long as the 1-50 stuff. So classes are there but even at the start of the game there are many other skill lines and post 50 it is "skill points" all the way. And there are choices; three skill areas, every third point is allocated to one of the three; each area has three lines. You really can be a very, very tank like mage.
So classes are there but its probably 85% maybe 90%+ skills. I wouldn't say there are any "Morrowind has classes" either.
that does not sound remotely close to a Skill based game to me because of the whole number 50 before you can do anything not class based and it sounds to me like a class based game.
That said, the only thing that really fires me up and sets my pissed off meter high is when people say Morrowind is a class based game. When they do that its like them saying 'I want more people to hate this game and I want more people who hate this game to mention it here on the fourms'...ha!
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Boring world, too many fetch quests, feels like a single player rpg like the way SWTOR does.
I too prefer action combat. I'm a TES fanboy of the single player games (And to me Oblivion was the most boring of the bunch) no matter how great people think this game is, it still lacks that special sauce that Skyrim, Redguard and Morrowind had. It just tastes so plain that its boring and lacks that sizzle that can sell the steak.
Any mmo worth its salt should be like a good prostitute when it comes to its game world- One hell of a faker, and a damn good shaker!
I can't stand the constant questing. The game didn't offer enough of an illusion of freedom and non questing things to do. I keep going back thinking this time I'm going to really play it. I play for a few days and quit for the above reasons, every time.
The reason I like the Elder Scrolls series is because of these reasons
1. Skill based system instead of a Class based system 2. freedom to roam and not even follow the storyline much. 3. First person view is an option
ESO violates both of these
1. Up until Skyrim TES have had classes. 2. I dont follow the Main Story , Mage Guild or Fighters Guild much. Not even close to being done with any of them. 3. I play in first person all the time.
ESO offers all THREE of these.
almost sold me! thinking of downloading
do you have to do quests?
Nope. I dont really seek them out myself but do them as I come across them or if I have a desire to do a few Thieves Guild or Dark Brotherhood or Orsinium Quests. Up until they broke the Dungeon Finder again I did dungeons a few times a day.
The reason I like the Elder Scrolls series is because of these reasons
1. Skill based system instead of a Class based system 2. freedom to roam and not even follow the storyline much. 3. First person view is an option
ESO violates both of these
1. Up until Skyrim TES have had classes. 2. I dont follow the Main Story , Mage Guild or Fighters Guild much. Not even close to being done with any of them. 3. I play in first person all the time.
ESO offers all THREE of these.
almost sold me! thinking of downloading
do you have to do quests?
Nope. I dont really seek them out myself but do them as I come across them or if I have a desire to do a few Thieves Guild or Dark Brotherhood or Orsinium Quests. Up until they broke the Dungeon Finder again I did dungeons a few times a day.
From reading what others say here you DO have to do quests
Its not really an option. In fact the quote just above your says basically this.
so my question is, is your observation here helping the game or hurting the game?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
i started playing ESO again after i was very pissed of when it released and it did not feel like skyrim,its a good mmo i think.you can level by just doing pvp i watched a view build videos and some guys just pvp,its all about getting XP!
i'm not saying it's the game for you, i'm telling you it is a skill based system at it's very definition lol. why don't you tell me why i am wrong? simply preferring not to pick a class at the start isn't proving anything as i already told you the effect the starting classes have on the game.
even if you do prefer to not pick a class at the beginning, it's still far from a class based system like you were saying it is.
racial skill lines, something few complain about being in the game, are exactly the same as class skill lines in ESO. you pick a race based on the racial skill line of that race. the only difference is class's have 3 skill lines instead of 1.
you are also locked into the racial passives and always get them with every build, not true with the class skill lines.
I am going to ask you point blank
Can I become a character that doesnt even come close to resembling a mage even though I picked a mage by doing non mage related activities and by doing said activities those skill points increase in the non-mage like areas?
or
was the advertising and explanation of the game in the beginning terrible?
lmao what is so hard to understand?
you allocate where you put the points, as any character you will level up the skills you use that allows you to allocate those points. if you use medium armor and a bow then it will unlock the skills in the medium armor and bow skill lines.
you will then be able to use the skill points you acquire to purchase the skills and passives in those skill lines as you wish. this shit isn't rocket science, it's a skill based system.
picking a class is just picking the three class skill lines you want to choose from and just like any other skill line in the game, you don't have to use them or put points in things you don't want or need. but you will have to use that skill line to unlock the skills and passives if you want to use them, like any other skill line.
i don't care if you don't like ESO, that's fine. but to say it's a class based system like most themepark mmo's have is highly inaccurate, that's all i'm saying.
The reason I like the Elder Scrolls series is because of these reasons
1. Skill based system instead of a Class based system 2. freedom to roam and not even follow the storyline much. 3. First person view is an option
ESO violates both of these
1. Up until Skyrim TES have had classes. 2. I dont follow the Main Story , Mage Guild or Fighters Guild much. Not even close to being done with any of them. 3. I play in first person all the time.
ESO offers all THREE of these.
almost sold me! thinking of downloading
do you have to do quests?
Nope. I dont really seek them out myself but do them as I come across them or if I have a desire to do a few Thieves Guild or Dark Brotherhood or Orsinium Quests. Up until they broke the Dungeon Finder again I did dungeons a few times a day.
From reading what others say here you DO have to do quests
Its not really an option. In fact the quote just above your says basically this.
so my question is, is your observation here helping the game or hurting the game?
why are you still talking when its quite clear you don't have a clue about this subject? so yeah, the game has quests and they are acquired in the exact same way they were in skyrim, no need to explain further.
yes it really is an option, it isnt the best option in my opinion but it is an option. people aoe grind to max level all the time, it's really quite common.
you are missing out on more skill points but you don't need a whole bunch for most builds anyways, especially if you don't craft.
Really enjoyed most of the game such as the quests, world, dungeons, crafting and such but the combat is some of the worst I've ever played. I liked the idea of combat but the animations are horrible in my opinion and the moves really aren't very fluid.
I put 12 days played into my main and I managed to complete the main story and every quest in the DC/Coldharbour zones. Enjoyed mostly everything about the game but the combat is really poor.
Can I become a character that doesnt even come close to resembling a mage even though I picked a mage by doing non mage related activities and by doing said activities those skill points increase in the non-mage like areas?
Yes, you can: that is exactly how the game is built.
i'm not saying it's the game for you, i'm telling you it is a skill based system at it's very definition lol. why don't you tell me why i am wrong? simply preferring not to pick a class at the start isn't proving anything as i already told you the effect the starting classes have on the game.
even if you do prefer to not pick a class at the beginning, it's still far from a class based system like you were saying it is.
racial skill lines, something few complain about being in the game, are exactly the same as class skill lines in ESO. you pick a race based on the racial skill line of that race. the only difference is class's have 3 skill lines instead of 1.
you are also locked into the racial passives and always get them with every build, not true with the class skill lines.
I am going to ask you point blank
Can I become a character that doesnt even come close to resembling a mage even though I picked a mage by doing non mage related activities and by doing said activities those skill points increase in the non-mage like areas?
or
was the advertising and explanation of the game in the beginning terrible?
lmao what is so hard to understand?
you allocate where you put the points, as any character you will level up the skills you use that allows you to allocate those points. if you use medium armor and a bow then it will unlock the skills in the medium armor and bow skill lines.
you will then be able to use the skill points you acquire to purchase the skills and passives in those skill lines as you wish. this shit isn't rocket science, it's a skill based system.
picking a class is just picking the three class skill lines you want to choose from and just like any other skill line in the game, you don't have to use them or put points in things you don't want or need. but you will have to use that skill line to unlock the skills and passives if you want to use them, like any other skill line.
i don't care if you don't like ESO, that's fine. but to say it's a class based system like most themepark mmo's have is highly inaccurate, that's all i'm saying.
@Mardukk ;who has played the game has said the following
'I can't stand the constant questing. The game didn't offer enough of an illusion of freedom and non questing things to do. I keep going back thinking this time I'm going to really play it. I play for a few days and quit for the above reasons, every time.'
this game sournds terrible and to be frank you guys are just making the whole problem worse. I am out of here, take care and have fun
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
i'm not saying it's the game for you, i'm telling you it is a skill based system at it's very definition lol. why don't you tell me why i am wrong? simply preferring not to pick a class at the start isn't proving anything as i already told you the effect the starting classes have on the game.
even if you do prefer to not pick a class at the beginning, it's still far from a class based system like you were saying it is.
racial skill lines, something few complain about being in the game, are exactly the same as class skill lines in ESO. you pick a race based on the racial skill line of that race. the only difference is class's have 3 skill lines instead of 1.
you are also locked into the racial passives and always get them with every build, not true with the class skill lines.
I am going to ask you point blank
Can I become a character that doesnt even come close to resembling a mage even though I picked a mage by doing non mage related activities and by doing said activities those skill points increase in the non-mage like areas?
or
was the advertising and explanation of the game in the beginning terrible?
lmao what is so hard to understand?
you allocate where you put the points, as any character you will level up the skills you use that allows you to allocate those points. if you use medium armor and a bow then it will unlock the skills in the medium armor and bow skill lines.
you will then be able to use the skill points you acquire to purchase the skills and passives in those skill lines as you wish. this shit isn't rocket science, it's a skill based system.
picking a class is just picking the three class skill lines you want to choose from and just like any other skill line in the game, you don't have to use them or put points in things you don't want or need. but you will have to use that skill line to unlock the skills and passives if you want to use them, like any other skill line.
i don't care if you don't like ESO, that's fine. but to say it's a class based system like most themepark mmo's have is highly inaccurate, that's all i'm saying.
@Mardukk ;who has played the game has said the following
'I can't stand the constant questing. The game didn't offer enough of an illusion of freedom and non questing things to do. I keep going back thinking this time I'm going to really play it. I play for a few days and quit for the above reasons, every time.'
this game sournds terrible and to be frank you guys are just making the whole problem worse. I am out of here, take care and have fun
You started off with:
"The reason I like the Elder Scrolls series is because of these reasons
1. Skill based system instead of a Class based system 2. freedom to roam and not even follow the storyline much. 3. First person view is an option
ESO violates both of these"
ESO actually lets you do all three of these. Yes you can pick a sorcerer class at the start and end up with no sorc skills (if you want). Yes there is first person, yes you can just wander around and do what you want.
I am not sure if you have actually played the game, but even though ESO has all these elements it feels quite different from the type of freedom I felt in Skyrim- for example you can't just murder all the villages and I have never felt like actions I did led to a kind of emergent gameplay like it can in Skyrim - although interactions with players afford that to an extent.
If your thinking about playing the game, and in particular the PVP, then you might want to research the current builds that are used, as you will need them in order to compete. There are worse games out there though, and you can have a decent enough time in the game if you put enough effort into it.
"The reason I like the Elder Scrolls series is because of these reasons
1. Skill based system instead of a Class based system 2. freedom to roam and not even follow the storyline much. 3. First person view is an option
ESO violates both of these"
ESO actually lets you do all three of these. Yes you can pick a sorcerer class at the start and end up with no sorc skills (if you want). Yes there is first person, yes you can just wander around and do what you want.
I am not sure if you have actually played the game, but even though ESO has all these elements it feels quite different from the type of freedom I felt in Skyrim- for example you can't just murder all the villages and I have never felt like actions I did led to a kind of emergent gameplay like it can in Skyrim - although interactions with players afford that to an extent.
like i said
This game seems terrible and much of the community is making it worse by trying to convince me and others that ESO is a skill based system in the way that everyone knows we mean when we say it.
These attempts make people angry and even end up with a stronger bias against the game then if one went into the subject with a little more honestly.
it reminds me of the guy who says 'In WoW you dont have to do any quests' and is expecting somehow people to take him seriously. Yes we know its technically possible but really?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
8. Quests with voice. Pretty cool. Truth is though they could have done without named actors and use some of that money toward hiring someone to fix bugs.
Just an fyi, that's not how budgets for companies work. If you don't spend that money on those "named voice actors" it doesn't go into a pot to do whatever you want.
Each item gets a budget, so those people who are hired to fix bugs were completely budgeted for and would not have gotten another dime.
Well they should have allocated way less for the voice acting from the get go in my opinion. After running into the 100th npc with the same voice I heard through the first 50 levels and then had to go through silver and gold running into it. I t got old. I think I'd rather had the janitor voice over a character or two and then possibly bob from sales. At least it would have had some variety. Not only that some of these pro voice actors really sucked in my opinion. The nord king's voice is annoying as all get out. Daggerfall's king (Emeric?) was alright but it wasn't award worthy by any stretch. Sorry for my ignorance in how a business budget works. I'm just a lowly safety manager I had to quickly type my list off the top of my head in a paid 15 minute break. That's all I'm budgeted for so I'm bound to make mistakes. Just jokingly jabbing you back Sovrath. I do know a tad about budgets lol
Edit: Plus this games been out 2+ years on PC. The first year I can see they had money allocated to specific areas. Heading in to year two I'd assume Zeni, like alot (or most) businesses would reanalyze their spending and reallocate more funds to areas that needed it more. Now in year 2 they have fixed a lot I'll admit that. The games quite a bit better than it was in the beginning. For some reason though there are some bugs that have hung around or resurfaced that should have been fixed long ago. I tried to log back in the other day just to see if it was MMO burnout after almost 18 years of MMOs or the game itself. I've been doing this on and off for months now but I end up logging pretty quick. Anyway, I jumped on my mag templar and ran out to the new DB area and after a few spells I got this glow on my staff's head that would not go away. I had that same bug for a few months after the game was released. All I could say was you gotta be kidding me and logged out. It seems like they fix 2 things and break 3.
"The reason I like the Elder Scrolls series is because of these reasons
1. Skill based system instead of a Class based system 2. freedom to roam and not even follow the storyline much. 3. First person view is an option
ESO violates both of these"
ESO actually lets you do all three of these. Yes you can pick a sorcerer class at the start and end up with no sorc skills (if you want). Yes there is first person, yes you can just wander around and do what you want.
I am not sure if you have actually played the game, but even though ESO has all these elements it feels quite different from the type of freedom I felt in Skyrim- for example you can't just murder all the villages and I have never felt like actions I did led to a kind of emergent gameplay like it can in Skyrim - although interactions with players afford that to an extent.
like i said
This game seems terrible and much of the community is making it worse by trying to convince me and others that ESO is a skill based system in the way that everyone knows we mean when we say it.
These attempts make people angry and even end up with a stronger bias against the game then if one went into the subject with a little more honestly.
it reminds me of the guy who says 'In WoW you dont have to do any quests' and is expecting somehow people to take him seriously. Yes we know its technically possible but really?
It's an MMO. Do you want to play a new game or not?
ESO is one of the best MMOs available. Yes, it's a thempark style game so questing is part of it like any MMORPG. The new changes coming scales the world to your level will allow you the freedom of going anywhere in the game and doing whatever quests you want to do in whatever order.
ESO does have a skill-based progression in the sense that you level up skill trees based on use. You get your skill points from leveling and finding sky shards around the world. Depending on your class, you have a specific set of 3 skill lines along with one for your race, among other universal lines like weapon-based, mage guild, and thief guild skills.
End-game is predominately alliance vs alliance vs alliance open world PvP. Although there are adventure zones and group dungeons.
The reason I like the Elder Scrolls series is because of these reasons
1. Skill based system instead of a Class based system 2. freedom to roam and not even follow the storyline much. 3. First person view is an option
ESO violates both of these
1. Up until Skyrim TES have had classes. 2. I dont follow the Main Story , Mage Guild or Fighters Guild much. Not even close to being done with any of them. 3. I play in first person all the time.
ESO offers all THREE of these.
almost sold me! thinking of downloading
do you have to do quests?
Actually, the quests in this game aren't really that bad. I would say they are actually "good".
I personally like the Aldmeri Dominion main story.
Quite a few of the quests are pretty good. The kicker for me though is how easy they are. I mean I would get some quests and it would be a fetch one, but one that sounded like I'd have to really search for, only to follow my arrow to it. Sometimes they'd tried to get creative and you'd have 4 or 5 items with markers on them in one area so you'd dig or whatever till you got it. I wish the markers would be gone where you'd really have to read/listen to the quest and head west or whatever and look for yourself. Sure it might take 5-10 minutes longer but I feel I;d get more satisfaction that way.
I did almost all of the quests in Daggerfall and Ebonheart sides and only silver through Aldemeri. From what I encountered I'd say Aldemeri>Daggerfall<Ebon
"The reason I like the Elder Scrolls series is because of these reasons
1. Skill based system instead of a Class based system 2. freedom to roam and not even follow the storyline much. 3. First person view is an option
ESO violates both of these"
ESO actually lets you do all three of these. Yes you can pick a sorcerer class at the start and end up with no sorc skills (if you want). Yes there is first person, yes you can just wander around and do what you want.
I am not sure if you have actually played the game, but even though ESO has all these elements it feels quite different from the type of freedom I felt in Skyrim- for example you can't just murder all the villages and I have never felt like actions I did led to a kind of emergent gameplay like it can in Skyrim - although interactions with players afford that to an extent.
like i said
This game seems terrible and much of the community is making it worse by trying to convince me and others that ESO is a skill based system in the way that everyone knows we mean when we say it.
These attempts make people angry and even end up with a stronger bias against the game then if one went into the subject with a little more honestly.
it reminds me of the guy who says 'In WoW you dont have to do any quests' and is expecting somehow people to take him seriously. Yes we know its technically possible but really?
It's an MMO. Do you want to play a new game or not?
ESO is one of the best MMOs available. Yes, it's a thempark style game so questing is part of it like any MMORPG. The new changes coming scales the world to your level will allow you the freedom of going anywhere in the game and doing whatever quests you want to do in whatever order.
ESO does have a skill-based progression in the sense that you level up skill trees based on use. You get your skill points from leveling and finding sky shards around the world. Depending on your class, you have a specific set of 3 skill lines along with one for your race, among other universal lines like weapon-based, mage guild, and thief guild skills.
End-game is predominately alliance vs alliance vs alliance open world PvP. Although there are adventure zones and group dungeons.
The game does not intrest me again because of the following reasons
1. Its Class based instead skill based
2. Questing is not an option
3. Free roaming is not an option
Yes I know people can and HAVE obfuscated those three reasons using logic similar to 'You can play WoW without classes you just have to not move from the character creation screen!' and 'You can play WoW without levels it will just take you a life time to get anywhere and many places will be closed off' but never the less these are my reasons and trying to dispute them I am afraid will not do anyone any good.
When it comes to MMO I stick to what I consider the best MMO which is Wurm or maybe Xyson but I havent had time to return to Xyson and given I now have Oculus Rift its looking like I will even have less time.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
The game is skill and class based. Those aren't mutually exclusive ideas. There are class archetypes that allow for a lot of flexibility because of the skill based open gear system. Characters can wear any gear type and level the skills for that gear type. They can use any weapon. They can base their skills on Magicka or Stamina - their choice.
The class skills are locked in as are race. You can't learn skills from another class or race. The rest of the skills, including weapons, armour, and "guilds/factions" are open to anyone. Want to level Mage Guild skills? Do it, if you want.
Saying quests are completely optional or never optional oversimplifies the reality. If you don't like quests, then don't play the game. It's not like you have to do any particular quest, but they are all around and can unlock some other quests or areas. That said, you don't have to do most quests in any particular order unless they're part of an event chain which is mostly just the main story quest.
The game world is open. You can roam and go where you want. With One Tamriel the entire game is open.
sorry I cant say anymore without the fear of getting bad. what you are saying is not of interest to me I am sorry. I adore ES games that I have played, they are my favorite games of all time, equally I like the descriptions of such games. I have never read anything about ESO that sounds attractive to me or in my mind doesnt violate what I consider good in a game design. I am not saying this again.
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i'm not saying it's the game for you, i'm telling you it is a skill based system at it's very definition lol. why don't you tell me why i am wrong? simply preferring not to pick a class at the start isn't proving anything as i already told you the effect the starting classes have on the game.
even if you do prefer to not pick a class at the beginning, it's still far from a class based system like you were saying it is.
racial skill lines, something few complain about being in the game, are exactly the same as class skill lines in ESO. you pick a race based on the racial skill line of that race. the only difference is class's have 3 skill lines instead of 1.
you are also locked into the racial passives and always get them with every build, not true with the class skill lines.
I am going to ask you point blank
Can I become a character that doesnt even come close to resembling a mage even though I picked a mage by doing non mage related activities and by doing said activities those skill points increase in the non-mage like areas?
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was the advertising and explanation of the game in the beginning terrible?
lmao what is so hard to understand?
you allocate where you put the points, as any character you will level up the skills you use that allows you to allocate those points. if you use medium armor and a bow then it will unlock the skills in the medium armor and bow skill lines.
you will then be able to use the skill points you acquire to purchase the skills and passives in those skill lines as you wish. this shit isn't rocket science, it's a skill based system.
picking a class is just picking the three class skill lines you want to choose from and just like any other skill line in the game, you don't have to use them or put points in things you don't want or need. but you will have to use that skill line to unlock the skills and passives if you want to use them, like any other skill line.
i don't care if you don't like ESO, that's fine. but to say it's a class based system like most themepark mmo's have is highly inaccurate, that's all i'm saying.
@Mardukk ;who has played the game has said the following
'I can't stand the constant questing. The game didn't offer enough of an illusion of freedom and non questing things to do. I keep going back thinking this time I'm going to really play it. I play for a few days and quit for the above reasons, every time.'
this game sournds terrible and to be frank you guys are just making the whole problem worse. I am out of here, take care and have fun
making what worse? by correcting you? the person you quoted never said questing was the only option anyways and it isn't. you can aoe grind (which is actually the fastest way to level up), you can do group dungeons, you can do pvp (which is slow but still doable).
if you think the game sounds terrible, that is all fine and dandy, but if you base that opinion on inaccurate reasons i'm going to disagree and tell you why, sorry.
"The reason I like the Elder Scrolls series is because of these reasons
1. Skill based system instead of a Class based system 2. freedom to roam and not even follow the storyline much. 3. First person view is an option
ESO violates both of these"
ESO actually lets you do all three of these. Yes you can pick a sorcerer class at the start and end up with no sorc skills (if you want). Yes there is first person, yes you can just wander around and do what you want.
I am not sure if you have actually played the game, but even though ESO has all these elements it feels quite different from the type of freedom I felt in Skyrim- for example you can't just murder all the villages and I have never felt like actions I did led to a kind of emergent gameplay like it can in Skyrim - although interactions with players afford that to an extent.
like i said
This game seems terrible and much of the community is making it worse by trying to convince me and others that ESO is a skill based system in the way that everyone knows we mean when we say it.
These attempts make people angry and even end up with a stronger bias against the game then if one went into the subject with a little more honestly.
it reminds me of the guy who says 'In WoW you dont have to do any quests' and is expecting somehow people to take him seriously. Yes we know its technically possible but really?
sorry but no, you are getting angry because you don't like that people are challenging your view point. by it's very definition, ESO is a skill based system and i already explained to you why in full detail, care to tell me why i am wrong?
the only way you build a character is by adding skill points into whatever skill you want, you can only put points into the skill lines that you use, regardless of what class you pick.
also, to be honest it seems like you are biased against the game, i'm not even saying you should like or play it, you can hate it all you want and that's okay.
oh and far far more people aoe grind in this game than people avoided quests in wow. like i said aoe grinding is the fastest way to level up in ESO, you think people are not going to do it?
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I personally like the Aldmeri Dominion main story.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
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How they turn a class selection in Morrowind that has zero impact on game play and represents about.0000001% of your attention and choices is turned into 'morrowind has classes'
as someone who adores skill based systems and feels they are greatly overlooked I find such tactics offensive and as a result really do not want to be part of the game.
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I forgot to add in my post above that every character gets a manna pool, health pool and stamina pool and subsequent points that they can use how they want - a mage can put them all in stamina or health. And after 50 you get the champion system system and that is totally class agnostic and 100% skill based. And that progression is more than twice as long as the 1-50 stuff. So classes are there but even at the start of the game there are many other skill lines and post 50 it is "skill points" all the way. And there are choices; three skill areas, every third point is allocated to one of the three; each area has three lines. You really can be a very, very tank like mage.
So classes are there but its probably 85% maybe 90%+ skills. I wouldn't say there are any "Morrowind has classes" either.
Edit: How you play depends a lot on what active skills you slot. If you select the Mage class you slot Mage abilities but you could choose to slot Fighter's Guild abilities. Same deal if you select a Fighter you could slot Mage Guild abilities. And you change your active skills as you wish. Over and above this you have CS points which are class agnostic.
That said, the only thing that really fires me up and sets my pissed off meter high is when people say Morrowind is a class based game. When they do that its like them saying 'I want more people to hate this game and I want more people who hate this game to mention it here on the fourms'...ha!
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Boring world, too many fetch quests, feels like a single player rpg like the way SWTOR does.
I too prefer action combat. I'm a TES fanboy of the single player games (And to me Oblivion was the most boring of the bunch) no matter how great people think this game is, it still lacks that special sauce that Skyrim, Redguard and Morrowind had. It just tastes so plain that its boring and lacks that sizzle that can sell the steak.
Any mmo worth its salt should be like a good prostitute when it comes to its game world- One hell of a faker, and a damn good shaker!
Its not really an option. In fact the quote just above your says basically this.
so my question is, is your observation here helping the game or hurting the game?
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you allocate where you put the points, as any character you will level up the skills you use that allows you to allocate those points. if you use medium armor and a bow then it will unlock the skills in the medium armor and bow skill lines.
you will then be able to use the skill points you acquire to purchase the skills and passives in those skill lines as you wish. this shit isn't rocket science, it's a skill based system.
picking a class is just picking the three class skill lines you want to choose from and just like any other skill line in the game, you don't have to use them or put points in things you don't want or need. but you will have to use that skill line to unlock the skills and passives if you want to use them, like any other skill line.
i don't care if you don't like ESO, that's fine. but to say it's a class based system like most themepark mmo's have is highly inaccurate, that's all i'm saying.
yes it really is an option, it isnt the best option in my opinion but it is an option. people aoe grind to max level all the time, it's really quite common.
you are missing out on more skill points but you don't need a whole bunch for most builds anyways, especially if you don't craft.
I put 12 days played into my main and I managed to complete the main story and every quest in the DC/Coldharbour zones. Enjoyed mostly everything about the game but the combat is really poor.
@Mardukk ;who has played the game has said the following
this game sournds terrible and to be frank you guys are just making the whole problem worse. I am out of here, take care and have fun
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You started off with:
"The reason I like the Elder Scrolls series is because of these reasons
1. Skill based system instead of a Class based system
2. freedom to roam and not even follow the storyline much.
3. First person view is an option
ESO violates both of these"
ESO actually lets you do all three of these. Yes you can pick a sorcerer class at the start and end up with no sorc skills (if you want). Yes there is first person, yes you can just wander around and do what you want.
I am not sure if you have actually played the game, but even though ESO has all these elements it feels quite different from the type of freedom I felt in Skyrim- for example you can't just murder all the villages and I have never felt like actions I did led to a kind of emergent gameplay like it can in Skyrim - although interactions with players afford that to an extent.
There are worse games out there though, and you can have a decent enough time in the game if you put enough effort into it.
This game seems terrible and much of the community is making it worse by trying to convince me and others that ESO is a skill based system in the way that everyone knows we mean when we say it.
These attempts make people angry and even end up with a stronger bias against the game then if one went into the subject with a little more honestly.
it reminds me of the guy who says 'In WoW you dont have to do any quests' and is expecting somehow people to take him seriously. Yes we know its technically possible but really?
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Sorry for my ignorance in how a business budget works. I'm just a lowly safety manager
Edit: Plus this games been out 2+ years on PC. The first year I can see they had money allocated to specific areas. Heading in to year two I'd assume Zeni, like alot (or most) businesses would reanalyze their spending and reallocate more funds to areas that needed it more. Now in year 2 they have fixed a lot I'll admit that. The games quite a bit better than it was in the beginning. For some reason though there are some bugs that have hung around or resurfaced that should have been fixed long ago. I tried to log back in the other day just to see if it was MMO burnout after almost 18 years of MMOs or the game itself. I've been doing this on and off for months now but I end up logging pretty quick. Anyway, I jumped on my mag templar and ran out to the new DB area and after a few spells I got this glow on my staff's head that would not go away. I had that same bug for a few months after the game was released. All I could say was you gotta be kidding me and logged out. It seems like they fix 2 things and break 3.
ESO is one of the best MMOs available. Yes, it's a thempark style game so questing is part of it like any MMORPG. The new changes coming scales the world to your level will allow you the freedom of going anywhere in the game and doing whatever quests you want to do in whatever order.
ESO does have a skill-based progression in the sense that you level up skill trees based on use. You get your skill points from leveling and finding sky shards around the world. Depending on your class, you have a specific set of 3 skill lines along with one for your race, among other universal lines like weapon-based, mage guild, and thief guild skills.
End-game is predominately alliance vs alliance vs alliance open world PvP. Although there are adventure zones and group dungeons.
I did almost all of the quests in Daggerfall and Ebonheart sides and only silver through Aldemeri. From what I encountered I'd say Aldemeri>Daggerfall<Ebon
1. Its Class based instead skill based
2. Questing is not an option
3. Free roaming is not an option
Yes I know people can and HAVE obfuscated those three reasons using logic similar to 'You can play WoW without classes you just have to not move from the character creation screen!' and 'You can play WoW without levels it will just take you a life time to get anywhere and many places will be closed off' but never the less these are my reasons and trying to dispute them I am afraid will not do anyone any good.
When it comes to MMO I stick to what I consider the best MMO which is Wurm or maybe Xyson but I havent had time to return to Xyson and given I now have Oculus Rift its looking like I will even have less time.
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if you think the game sounds terrible, that is all fine and dandy, but if you base that opinion on inaccurate reasons i'm going to disagree and tell you why, sorry.
the only way you build a character is by adding skill points into whatever skill you want, you can only put points into the skill lines that you use, regardless of what class you pick.
also, to be honest it seems like you are biased against the game, i'm not even saying you should like or play it, you can hate it all you want and that's okay.
oh and far far more people aoe grind in this game than people avoided quests in wow. like i said aoe grinding is the fastest way to level up in ESO, you think people are not going to do it?