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Why are more people not playing this game?
I've been playing NC for about 2 months and have found it to be incredibly rich and deep. I've played numerous MMOGs and I find NC to be one of the absolute best. Yes, there are a few bugs. The sync bug is especially annoying, but this is minor compared to the enjoyment of the game. The weapons crafting system is the best I've seen (it beats the snot out of SWG) and the skills are evenly distributed where you can become a jack of all trades, but to become a master, you're pretty much going to have to dedicate to one or two skills, i.e. you can't be a master researcher and a master constructor. This encourages cooperation.
I've played a bunch of MMOGs and many of them are garbage, especially the newer "3G" games. SWG stinks, EVE stinks, SB is almost unplayable, AC2 is a bust. NC has its problems, but I think it's a dynamite game and with DoY coming out soon and a free 10 day trial (that WORKS btw), I just wonder why more people aren't giving this one a shot.
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I've been playing the game for over 2 years I wish I could say what the guy above me just said......lol
I'm still playing the damn game.
But to answer your question...ReaKKtor is currently looking for a new publisher as the previous one
and I appologise in advance if I seem too harsh...
SUCKED ASSS!
I really don't find the game fun, there is very little content. Infact lets go through a normal day of Neocron shall we...
First we start as a low crappy level, you start in a building called MC5 or aka "The Crash Hole", why do they call it "The Crash Hole"? because for some odd reason it is the most buggy place within all of the game, you would be lucky to play more then 3 minutes within this area without crashing.
When this area was first made you would only start with 900 credits, making it impossible to leave the area unless you fought some small creatures until you had 1000c and could use the GenRep (a teleporting device) to leave the area, thus forcing you to be in crashvill AND forcing you to lose ALL of your newbie money, so now you are in you're appartment, without any money and in some strange new place to you, lets walk through your apartments shall we?
Within most apartments you have "Cabinets" which are like boxes that you can store items in within the risk of losin-...oh wait sorry, you see Neocron quite often has database errors, which in the most common cases make you lose ALL of the Appartment items, infact "Saturn" (name of a server) just had one no more then a week ago, they are still sorting it out, plus KK's (ReaKKtor, the company who runs the game) refund policy is quite bad, the best thing you can get back IF you lose ANYTHING is 100k in credits, which is VERY little, single items can sometimes be worth upto 8 million credits.
Now lets leave our appartment and go out onto the street *PERMA SYNC*, when you leave a zone you're screen turns black and the words "synchronizing" appear, now about.... 1/10 times this sync never goes away, no matter how long you wait you will not load the new zone, and this is what they call perma sync, now due to the fact you stay ingame even after you log out for about 2 minutes people can still kill you, iv died MANY times from perma sync. Another very common bug is "FRE", Fatal Runtime Error, this is pretty much you're standard blue screen of death or GPF aka "Something broke, we dont know what" which happen on average, every half hour if not more, they seem to be very VERY random, sometimes they happen back to back 3 times in a row within 10 minutes, sometimes you can go without one for hours.
Ok, we just zoned out of our apartment *DEAD* you see if you picked a f(r)action (KK has REALLY bad translations and its quite often you find spelling errors) like Tysumi Syntactic you would start in a zone filled with Black Dragon guards, KK has promised to remove then "next patch", now you see KK has two coders and one freelancer who comes in once a week to do another job (im not gona get into that), they all went on holidays for about like 1-2 months, they released a horrid patch last year that removed very important items from the loot tables but, oh well because all the coders went on vacation for about 1 1/2 months.
Now lets go over leveling, you go into the sewers, kill abunch of bugs, go onto bigger things like mutants blah blah, its not very interesting and pretty simple, nothing really wrong with it besides they removed most of the loot to make leveling a bigger timesink and the fact that sometimes mobs spawn within walls.
PvP, ok your leveled, got your items lets do some PvP.......nothing I can really bitch at about PvP besides that the game is balanced like crap, KK is known very well for "Sledge Hammer Balancing" when they "balance" something they don't tweak it, they hit it with a bloody sledge hammer and ethier nerf it to hell or make it the best item/class/armor/whatever in the game. This has been done I don't know how many times but I belive the game will never EVER be balanced.
Lets take one class for example, the most interesting class, the PSI class.... Pretty much your Mage in the CyberPunk word, back in beta there was 3 types of PSI, Exotic, Aggressive and Passive, spells like Poison and Resurrection were under exotic, spells like Fireball or Lightning bolt were under Aggressive and healing/buffs were under Passive, now about one month after retail aka betail (I will get into this later) started they changed the WHOLE system so it was not Aggressive, Passive and Mental Steadiness, which was like a pre-req for most of the spells, this is just proof to me that KK has NO idea what they are doing balancing wise.
The mystical DoY, you see like most games right now, Neocron was pushed to a release date and was forced to release a beta game, Neocron is STILL in beta. DoY is supposed to make this game gold quality, they said it would be released in March 2003, April 2003, then December 2003 now they promised special info last month, never came true, so far this game is gona be the next in line for Duke Nukem Forever, hell a Neocron player registered the domain http://www.thedomeofyork.com/ ...just read it...
I am not even gona get into how exploited this game is, well maybe ill just say this, at the start of beta all you had needed to have GM powers was copy a folder over another folder in the Neocron directory. (yes it has been fixed ever since a whole clan duped like 500 items and when on insane killing rampages)
The Event's - Events are rare if that, and they are also not very good at all, with VERY poor planning, infact they just banned a few people for PKing at a event, maybe they should have thought about PKing BEFORE that? Another event a GM used his powers to KILL people and I belive he also started swearing at some people, another event....everyone died...no im not joking, they killed everyone in the most used zone in the game and then sent out a message saying there was a missle shot at the zone... nothing else, THAT was the event, everyone died, another of people lost their items.
The GM's - Corruption is VERY common within Neocron, I infact know a few GM's myself, some no longer are, some still are, most have used their powers for themselfs and friends, there is no form of logging in Neocron, anything GM's or players do is not logged. ALSO the GM's are not very helpful, iv sent in alot of help requests and iv never ever been helped, infact once the GM's felt abused on "Saturn" (the server) so they all stopped do support, the head GM agreed with them, for a few weeks a whole server had ZERO support because 4 players started to call the GM names. I could start talking about the forum but I am just gona leave a link to it... http://neocron.jafc.de/forumdisplay.php?s=00ff5ac89b731f7fdab56cb77d4422e7&forumid=2
I leave this with the engine of the game... http://www.genesis3d.com/ - This is a very old, open source engine with no ability to open area, the reason why KK calls the engine "Tekketonic" is that they added that ability, and its not very good.
Sorry to come over all fanboi, but as an official Neocron forum moderator and senior GM I couldn't let some of those untruths go, so...
Everyone's entitled to their opinion and it's not my desire here to tell you what you do and do not like. You have to admit that Neocron has been quite a large part of your gaming life for a long time now though - all those banned forum accounts are testament to that.This is the "very old, open source" engine used by Neocron (which actually bears little resemblence to the original these days)...
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That last one of the Cathedral is taken with a digital camera off a build of DoY at a games convention in Germany, so apologies for the low quality.
Now this is from a MMORPG still pre-beta using a much newer engine (the Lithtech Talon engine, to be precise)
I know which one I prefer.
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Niddy could you make this ANY more painful to format a post....
I would rather not say long for my gaming life, but long for my MMORPG gaming life.
Ya because maybe they are shot down on sight under the words "Keep it ingame" or "post in <some other thread>"
Note the words "at first" but NOW you get 100c more so you can leave right away, you still loose all that noob money
Name any good ones without, hell even Ultima Online has CUSTOM houses. Maybe if they made a logging system, oh wait according to you they have those, KK just must not like playersThe patch I am talking about happened during Xmas last year, when all level 3 semi-rare chips stopped dropping, remeber how Bezerker-3's were selling for at least a million each?.
First of all no one is ever in crashhole besides more then two people at a time, IF that much. The spawn straight out is horrid I remeber when you got 900nc, it would take like 15 minutes to find like 3 snakes to kill.Ah right, the NON-COMBAT missions, you mean the tradeskiller missions that cost more credits then the reward? or the bugged delivery missions? Last patch or so they removed how tradeskill tools boosted rank so that leeching is alot harder to do
Because one or two people say thing does not make it true, no doubt that post was made by a PPU or tank or something like that... Yup, not even stubborn enough to tell CDV to not push the release date so they can maybe..not be a beta game during retail.... I have never played SW:G I only talked to Serve (Leader of TR) about it not very often, he does not tell me about crashing, but as I already said, most games these days are beta quality and that includes SW:G it was pushed like most other games, it is infact betail, Neocron is not the only one. Last thing is like my other post, because one person said it does not make it true. Gathering Dust? That is true, it was a beta exploit, that exploit was in beta, it was also reported in beta, yet somehow that musted have slipped through the cracks into retailThis is the "very old, open source" engine used by Neocron (which actually bears little resemblence to the original these days)...
That one is real, one of the better ones
FAKE! Photshop
Now this is from a MMORPG still pre-beta using a much newer engine (the Lithtech Talon engine, to be precise)
Keywords, PRE-BETA, that is what? Alpha...
But I am gona post some of my more fav pictures of the same game
Hell Face of Mankind is still in Alpha and its looking better then Neocron
This is coming from someone NOT affiliated with KK or a person who has been banned repeatedly from their forums. Hopefully this can be a third party review.
Neocron started off as a great game for me, but I dislike it now. Not for all the reasons stated by SigmaHex. However, some of the things Nidhogg posted werent entirely true either. I'll elaborate.
The "Crash Hole" as Sig so lovingly puts it, wasnt that buggy for me. However, I agree with him on the issue that a lot of new players tend to spend a long time there trying to kill enough to leave. When I first joined and got sent here, it took me forever to figure out what to do. Then I couldnt find the generep. I wandered around everywhere, died a few times, till I found it. Then what? Oh, I dont have enough money? Crap. Well there I go, wandering around again. The grass makes it nearly impossible to see anything on the ground. And even if you could find one, chances are there's someone already attacking it. Sure you can be a mean person and killsteal, but I'm not mean.
The first time, I spent over an hour in this boring place trying to find a way to get out.
Now...the PKing issue is horrible. For me it's to the point of making the game unenjoyable. For those not into PvP, you have to spend all your time in Via Rosso or the Plaza, or an empty level 1 sewer, to stay safe from the PKers. Go anywhere else, and you get PKed by people wanting loot, or PKed by people who dont like you, or PKed by people who find out you're not in their clan, or PKed by people who didnt like the clan you just joined, or PKed for bending over on a Thursday. No matter what, people love to PK in this game, and it's frustrating.
Rather than going on about it, I'll finish with a few comments. First, I participated in Neocron from Beta 3 to retail, so I didnt just spend a few days on it. Secondly, I never been into the Wastelands. Never could survive the PKers to get that far.
This has changed, you now start with enough money to get to your appartment and the Genrep is clearly signposted.
CkVega...
Neocron is an excellent game that gets better all the time. Reaktor listens to the community and changes stuff that needs changing. Yes, DoY has been delayed for quite a while, but I have never seen release dates for December 2003 - the last one I saw was for mid 2003 and after that it was announced that Reaktor were looknig for a new publisher, which everyone agreed was a good thing. The latest news is that there will be an official press release about DoY in Jan / Feb 2004, and there have also been snippets of news that they've been using the time to add extra features, like the player run shops that were originally planned for release after DoY will now be released with it.
Yes, there are bugs, but IMO it isn't nearly as bad as some people try to make out (there are a lot of people who whine just for the sake of it, as with many other games).
Some of the people above obviously haven't rolled new characters recently. MC5 has been drastically improved in the last 6 months. They've added lots of features to help new players, including but not limtied to, NPCs who give the player information on how to get started, signs to help new players find their way around MC5, citycoms so that players can ask for help in game and read the help emails that a player recieves when they start. There are plenty of mobs to kill. You also start with more money than is needed to GR out, tho staying and killing the low level mobs is a good learning experiance for brand new players, who may never have played online games before.
You do get problems with lag, but that happens in ANY online game. It's a fact of the Internet. Unfortunately there is only european based servers, so players further afield will experiance higher amounts of lag. But the game is still very playable.
Nid's screenshots above are of an event that occurred last night, there were 2 mass spawn events at 2 different places on the server and the game was still playable. We were involved in an outpost war with another clan when the event started. Op wars have improved dramatically recently, with big advances in class balancing. We then went to the Op war, and altho my FPS dropped to around 10-12 (which I could have improved by lowering the game details on the fly thro the ingame options) the game was still playable. The event was lots of fun.
Neocron is a fun game, with simple understandable systems for weapon quality, item building, rares collection, etc. Of course, no game that you can learn everything in overnight is fun, and after over 6 months of playing I'm still learning new things and having fun.
If you need any help with anything, you can just ask any players or post on either the ingame or out of game forums and people will be willing to help.
I would encourage all who are interested to come and try this game out (download option is available). If you don't like it after the trial period then you don't have to pay.
As to your screenshots from the other game. Since it's pre-beta and there is no public client yet, it is impossible to tell if those screenshots are genuine or not. We also cannot tell anything baout the performance of this game. If it is more detailed than Neocron, it may end up being more laggy and buggy as well.
Athon Solo
UK-USA Rangers, City Administration, Uranus Server
It's easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them.
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@ Sigma mabey you should try upgrading your computer, after i upgraded mine (from a celeron 460 geforce 2mx) i get almost no crashes/syncs etc. Also the pics Nid posted are what the ingame looks like, try turning the detail up
As for the rest of your post i cant be bothered going through it, most of it is BS and of the probs which were true most have been fixed.
It seems you have went through the years of neocrons past history and tried to document the flaws as they occurred, neglecting the fact that they are not around today and all the good points.
Most of the community, myself included believe it to be one of the best mmorpgs out there, yes alot have left from time to time, but most come back...they need their neo-crack
. As for bordem, how many games can sustain a persons attention for a year and a half without some bordem? Thats how long most who leave have been playing for and even then they do their tour of the mmorpgs available and end up back where they started, at nc, because atm there is no better sci-fi mmorpg out there.
As for pks yes there are many in the game, but the game is very pvp orientated, however if you decide you want to opt out of pvp for a period of time you can implant your law enforcer back in. Also it sounds like you never got very far in this game? The sewers are for lower lvl players once you level past them there are plenty of places you can level in peace, and with the problem at the start of retail of pking the rules were changed so you have a safe slot in your quickbelt and you drop a belt which must be hacked when you die so you have less chance of loosing anything good. Try joining a good clan who will be happy to help fight with you against pkers
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Imo neocron is a PvP oriantated mmorpg, there are rare items to collect and quests to complete, and the option to be a tradeskiller, however if you want nothing to do with pvp then this game prob isnt for you. That said if your looking for pvp, the fps combat system makes it one of the best mmorpgs for it.
Cyphor
Yay..more......quoting to do.....
ReaKKtor track record about listening and making things better is very poor and very debatable, if readers would please just
not take me word, not his word, not Nids word and just read the forum, don't read the first 3 posts, read the first 3 pages.
The mid-2003 is a lie, wana look it up? http://neocron.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=222 that is
Apirl...Q1 2003....Not Feb 2004, it is Jan 2004, they miss that, they miss it again...I will belive shop keepers when I see
shop keepers, I have no idea how that is gona work, it seems like a impossible thing for Neocron.
Read forums, do a search for "FRE" or something....Please read my post again, I said nothing about MC5 still starting with 900nc, the last time I made a new character was in
late November 2003.
I never found lag very bad, sorta like FRE's, once in a awhile for about half hour to a hour my lag would go through the roof
and I would get pings of like 3000, so would everyone else, but I would just log out and watch TV waiting for it to pass.
My FPS drops to like 10 while standing in Plaza....Balancing, HA! what a laugh, read the forums, you can see the sledge
hammer tactics with posts like "Class Hoppers"
I like the wepaon quality system and slots, but I hate the fact that slots are just...random, I dont know why its still
random, I think its now just a giant timesink.
I hate the rare system, when I just got retail after beta I found everyone running around with the same weapons, just
glowing. I found out they added a "rare" system which I just hate, its just a giant timesink, you can not PvP without rare
weapons, you can not battle without rare weapons without killing Warbots for a week. Its like trading cards, spamming plaza
with "WTB: <some rare part>", I just hate it.
They wont call you a noob, much
Not according to the posts on the forums saying "I killed my account, I still got charged" but dont blame KK, its a problem
with WordPay, also you get charged for the box version even if you download it, you can pickup NC off online stores for like
5 dollars (there is a reason for that) instead of paying 30 USD for a game without a box PLUS the monthly fee.
You are calling the FoM pictures fake while you belive Neocron is capable of that type of Dynamic Lighting in the DoY
picture? that picture is fake 6 ways from sunday (god thats a lame saying).
Not only that picture, but many pictures, the ones of the back of the box, on the ones on the site, they all have been photoshop, if its not the sky, if its not the moon, if its not the shadows, if its not the not in game skins, if its the not in game emotes, if its the fact you can't carry anything, if its the lense flare, if its not the not possible model actions its ...some other crap that has been photoshop, this is not rumors or anything, KK has ADMITTED to them being photoshopped.
I have played many games using the Lithtech Talon engine, that engine can render those pictures EASY, there is no faking in
that.
*thinks of some way to make fun of that*
Haha, you play Uranus!?!, now thats a buggy server.
As Vampire222 said...."pwned"
This should be short....
The last time I played Neocron was a month ago, at the time I was running a AMD Athlon XP 2400+, 512MB DDR PC2700 Spectek, GeForce4 Ti4200 128MB, nForce2 DX - A7N8X-DX Motherboard, Running on a Cable Ethernet connection.
But my computer should not matter as long as I have this is better:
The requirements to play Neocron are:
A Pentium 2 processor or higher - My CPU is better then that
32 megabytes of RAM or higher (128 MB highly recommended) - I have more RAM then that
A Direct 3D compliant 3D card, at least as fast as Voodoo2 Graphics from 3DFX - My video card is better then that
A 56.6 k modem (Internet connection is obviously required) - My connection is better then that
Microsoft Windows 95/98/2000/ME/XP - I am running on 2k Pro
Microsoft DirectX 7 or higher - I have DirectX 9b
Right now im addicted too UO, the game itself has kept people for, like 5 years...
Neocron is not a true FPS: it is not shoot and kill, for people who have never played NC, when you wana shoot something you must put your crosshair over something, wait for about 3-8 seconds depending on the weapon for it to close, if the crosshair does not close it will not hit, you see NC has a math system, aiming is like attacking, if you press the trigger the server does the math to decide if you hit or not, its not possible to spray'n'pray.
Neocron has gone from Carebear, back, and back again, Neocron is betraying its PvP and what the game was based on, DoY is apparently gona change that but I am really starting to think DoY is vapor-ware.
THERE ARE NO QUESTS. Simple as that....
Pardon me...but have you heard of the LE Chip? It's this little implant that all new characters have in their heads when they start that prevents them from being killed by other players.
Point: The PVP is optional. However, it's a BIG part of the game's atmosphere and style. This is not a game for the faint-hearted fairy and unicorn lovers. There's enough games on teh market for them. Rather, it's a harsh, brutal cyberpunk world where you have to choose carefully who to trust, think carefully about where to go, and never turn your back on anyone.
As far as bugs go, yeah, there are a few. Never have I encountered a bug in this game as serious or as destructive to the game as I've found in any other mmorpg I've played. Hell, I spent 2 years playing Anarchy Online
As far as that otehr game in "pre-beta stages", I've never played a lithtech-based game that was worth the space it took up on my HDD.
Neocron is a carebear game, LE Chips, Safe Slot, Belts needing hacks, if you die the chances of losing anything are slim, people in Neocron just PK to be a prick.
Oh yes, no bugs, besides from the sync errors, FRE's, log bugs, the fact you can get banned for hiding behind a wall so you dont get hit by mobs... It is known that at random times you fall down dead, other random times you pull out your first slot weapon, now this is itself is not bad but if you are in Pepper Park the copbots kill you within seconds, the money cap is secret, I belive its 18 million credits and most people do not know this, I have seen far to many posts saying "where did my 4 million credits go!!?!".
These are the most simple bugs I can think of after not playing for one and a half months.
Those are some pretty retarded words, which Lithtech engine? there are like 4 of them, infact the newest one is being used in the Matrix Online game. Lithtechs have been used in everything, NoFL, NoFL2, AvP2, TRON 2.0 and those are just the ones I can find within the first two pages of google...
Those are the min requirements and you can play with them just not with details and effects on, and not with amazing performance. Its the same with any game, just meet the min requirements then dont complain about performance, and dont know how you've got your graphics settings but i have a similar system and rarely have probs ( athlon 2600+, 512mb ram, ati 9800 pro).
UO has kept people for up to five years but have they went for a full five years five hours per day without being bored? I dont think so.
I have no idea how you had your subskills setup but if your gun took 3-8 secs before you could fire then you obviously need to re-evaluate them
. My capped pistol pe gets a lock almost instantly with a rolh and libby although looses aim easily closes fast. Same with a tanks cs or spies fl, once you have a lock (which takes a no more than 2 secs to get) its hard to loose it.
Last time i checked epic runs are like quests, as are the runs implimented for some armour and going to be implimented for new guns. There are also live runs where the chars in the quests are played by gms.
As for comments about read the forums, why not ask people to try the game and decide for themselves, its funny how in the few posts about poor game performance, which are becoming less and less, all the players who are complaining still play as the issues aren't that bad.
Who held you down to make you play for a year? If you played for a year of your own will you must have enjoyed it, or you like throwing your money away. Why bash the game so much now, were you banned or something? Something to make you incredibly bitter about the game?
Imo if someone is curious about the game they should try it, theres a ten day free trial so nothing to loose, let them judge it for themselves. Problems from the past arent relevant today and so dont need to be brought up as if they are.
Lol the money cap is no secret, and you can have more by contributing to clan funds or investing in stock-x.
You dont get banned for hidding behind a wall you get banned for exploiting by finding ways to kill mobs in the hardest dungeons without being hit AT ALL. It defeats the point of the game to be able to kill the mobs with no risk and unbalances the economy by giving exploiters vast amounts of rare items.
Ever thought if u fall down dead theres a sniper
The cops kill you if you draw a weapon in front of them, try to draw a big gun infront of a real cop and get away with it
And whats with the major exagerations?
Seems you did not read my post AGAIN.
I said the gun pulling is a bug, iv more then one time have been running through PP and for no reason my slot 1 weapon pops out and I got killed by a copbot.
You better belive it, just look at http://uo.stratics.com and see if Neocron has %5 of the content UO has.
The argument about specs are a lost cause, face it.
I never said anything about the skills, if you have the worst skills in the game it takes like 15 seconds to close down, sometimes even if you have the best skills depending on the weapons it takes 15 seconds, is it true that it can take anywhere from 8-16 seconds? ya? well stop being retarded. My point still stands, Neocron is not a true FPS.
Epic runs are BUGGY AS HELL AND they are not quests, they consist of going to Point A to Point B and then killing 5 people of X f(r)action.
I didn't play for a year, I played for about 5 months (retail), the reason I played past month 2 was because of my clan. I was banned for speaking out about the horrid lack of security of Neocron by posting about ~20 pictures of people exploits/examples of people exploiting on the forums, apparently KK does not like people proving how buggy Neocron is.
And a final statement about the economy... http://neocron.jafc.de/showthread.php?s=cb22e99e421ed07e4d9fe734f27844f9&threadid=86806
As I said, go read the forum, or I suppose you could play it but I do not wish to support a company that does not deserve your money.
First off Carebear and Rampant PKing are two different things, you could PK all you want but if the person who got killed does not lose anything and the person who killed you does, it can be considered carebear.
TWO, more evidence of "retardism" I did not post that, it was TigerRei.
When I say fall down dead I mean with no sound, nothing, just one second my health bar goes down to zero and I fall down dead, nothing. NOW I do remeber there was a bug where snipers never made sounds or made a hitting effect so that COULD be it BUT it was a one hit kill, which according to KK PvP is % based so it would be impossible to have a one hit kill, this is another reason why PvP and resists/balancing is messed up by the way. BUT I was in a safezone maybe? and this was before the recent faction guards in Plaza, my SL is fine and no I did not do "/set kill_self 1", hell iv even see a guy with normal SL become a Copbots aiming target, it was quite odd, everyone could see it but no damage was being done to the guy, all these copbots were shooting him and nothing....made a shitload of lag though.
I remeber another interesting bug im gona share, The Green Bug! This is another "beta" bug that slipped through the cracks into retail, like most of them. So far iv ONLY seen this happen to the PSI-MONK class, when you first make a character for some odd reason you start out with a PE model and ALL GREEN SKIN, nothing, just green in a PE model. I infact have a clanmate in NC who had this bug the WHOLE TIME until one of the nicer GMs took all of Jethro's money and items, wrote down all his stats and told him to remake his character, though he lost a few apartments and all of his GenRep points he was no longer pure-green and in a PE model. Oh ya, iv more then one time posted about how green bug and someone from KK said "The interesting green bug, we have had no reports since beta" which is false, I knew Jethro sent in ATLEAST two letters, and iv seen about three other players with the green bug on my server alone.
Wow you really dont know how engines work do you? The models and skins have nothing to do with the engine, Shogo is OLD and was made to look like a anime and C&C Renegade..... it had flame thrower tanks and people running around with acid pistols, what do you want from it
Opinions do not make me belive you are retarded, you could say you loved I dont know, Hitler and I cant call you retarded because thats your opinion. BUT if you are ignorant or stupid, THEN I can call you a retard
Example:
"I like McDonalds" - While McD is a HORRID food I cant call you retarded because its a opinion
"The burgers make me smarter"- That is not true and against facts, this means you are ignorant which means I can call you retarded
Look I know you guys are trying to help your game but really, you must realise how big of fanboys you are by now...
Ive never had or heard of the gun pulling bug so i dont think its that common and thats with playing for over a year.
The reason i brought up skills is because it doesnt take 8 secs never mind 15 for the reticle to close on a gun with capped aiming.
It is a fps style combat engine, you may be able to argue that you dont like how they implimented it, but it is fps, which imo is better than turnbased or any of the other point and click combat engines.
Epics runs haven't been buggy for a while, and its more than you describe, there are around 6 missions ranging from delivery missions, to missions to kill runners of certain factions to killing mobs, for each epic run.
System specs are relevant as most people on decent systems rarely have problems.
As for reading the forums, i would encourage it too, most recent posts reflect well on the game. Neocron isnt bug free, but its alot better than it used to be and kk are constantly fixing bugs. It might not have the performance that some of the big companies can afford to put behind other mmorpgs but imo its a better game, and doesnt cost as much so its a fair trade.
This is exactly why you saw yourself banned from our forums. Your bitterness is blatantly obvious and merely serves to undermine your argument.
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You may as well give you Cyph, you are just repeating what I side, A to B missions and Kill <x> thing missions.
But everyone is NOT capped, and the system of locking on is not the biggest reason why its not a FPS, the biggest reason is say if you shoot beside someones head, but not on his head, you see the bullets fly everywhere and say by chance one of the bullets hit him, it DOES NOT do damage.
Weapon Bug: You must not play enough then
System Specs: Stop lying to yourself, iv seen the system argument more then 10 times, each time some fanboy says "its your computer" then everyone starts listing the specs, some people have really bad systems and get no bugs, some people have really good systems and get tons, its random, im not even gona start on how ATi cards are almost not even supported.
@Nidhogg
Now you are just border-line name calling, maybe you should register your personal use name, you dont wana give KK a even worse name
I used to play Neocron as Doctor Hannibal Lecter for the clan Legion. I found this game to be the most fun, they didn't try to keep you playing the game with the super not fun leveling treadmill where it takes you a fucking year to cap (or that new bullshit where you get to be a jedi if you plz plz stay with us). But sadly to lack of funds or what not it was buggy and player base dropped. The main perk in this game was the PK system, you could have a freaking blast. The PVP was auctually based on the PLAYERS AUCTUAL SKILL NOT THEIR SKILL POINTS (Until they put in kamikaze chips and MC5 chips but still if you had enough skill these fuckers went down). You could take on 2,3, or even 5 people with one character (as the stealthy spy I did not as the Monk-a-Cron which I gave into when it was at its worst).
The only thing I didn't like about this game was the community. Everyone was either total carebear or in the belief that if your in a big clan you win(which my clan proved many times the strength of a few can match and better that of many), at least that was the ingame community. On the forums it was a nonstop witch hunt with the nerf stick. At first it was the monk hybrid combination of defence and offence (Which were overpowered considering they could just stand still and take damage from over five people and kill them all not from skill but unbalancing) but KK took it a little too far in my opinion and made them near impossibal. Now this did not satisfy people because so many people liked being god like they made the APU spells highly unfair. A mage could shoot as far as a sniper could nearly shoot and as long as he had his defencive mage making him near invicnibal it was a bit of a slap in the face for other classes. Now that the mage class is totally screwy people move on to the spy and private eye class.
This was a very nice game the trade skilling had some depth to it but not making it so you had to make it your life(UO and nearly any other new MMORPG). There is currently an expansion that has been promised over two years nearly coming out soon. Because their first launch failed miserablly from a poor producer most problems evolved from this. Hopefully things can go well and people will notice this game.
This game is not for the faint of heart or total carebears. This is hardcore fighting and brutality, your dead corpse will be "sexed" with an emotiocon of a pelvic thrust. Most of the fun, older, and more experienced players and clans have left the game because of the bugs and lack of players which was part of my leaving. I have not played lately but reading the forums there are mainly cry baby sort of people taking up the spots.
I hope someday this great game will be revived
Good post, though I am tired of everyone blaming CDV, the worst I can say is CDV did their job.
Producers are out to make money, its not just CDV, almost ALL game publishers are pushing release dates and not just in MMORPG's, im tired of seeing patches come out days after the release. Now the so called "lack of advertising" I have seen internet advertising, the biggest ad I could remeber was a side banner for FilePlanet. Let me explain something, all publishers have these people who look at games and give a estimate on how much profit it would make then they would take a % of the profit and put it into ads, if they give it a low estimate then they do not get alot of ads.
Neocron did not get a high estimate....
A quest in any game consists of the same thing, talking to npcs to take part in a story and doing tasks.
Theres a difference between being capped and capping your weapon, a noob can cap a noob weapon just as a high lvl player can cap a high lvl weapon, sorry if i wasnt very clear in my wording. And it sounds like your talking of burst weapons, and it doesnt sound like a major problem if you want to hit them aim at the head rather than past it
Mabey i dont play as much as others but with 6 capped or near capped chars and having took part in some large clans, on two of the major servers and not hearing of the bug it cant be that common.
My card is ati it works fine, no probs, and with pc's something is rarely random, 2 people with the exact same pc's set-up the same way should get the same performance. Yes there are most likely software/hardware conflicts with the game in some areas that are still not fixed but most people even with these problems find the game playable.