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One man and his twisted mind. The face of the community? From the mind of Ben Lesnick.
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Have you guys ever been on IRC?
Check this out: http://www.bash.org/
If what people say online reflects their true nature - I can go along with that, but then you're not talking about Ben here - you're talking about all of us, including yourself.
I'm amused and not at all surprised this is being used against the actual game, though. As if the past bullshitting of a community guy somehow means the game is part of that.
The guys developing Star Citizen are largely a bunch of passionate geeks and IT guys. Can you imagine the kind of bullshit that's being said at parties or around the office?
I guess that means they're all Nazis ready to exterminate millions of people.
The hypocrisy is strong with this one.
Bartoni's Law definition: As an Internet discussion grows volatile, the probability of a comparison involving Donald Trump approaches 1.
Bartoni's Law definition: As an Internet discussion grows volatile, the probability of a comparison involving Donald Trump approaches 1.
It's about time people realise what we're all capable of thinking and saying under certain circumstances - and that a thought or a word does not - in itself - reflect actual intent or the will and inclination to carry them out. This whole PC age of saying absolutely nothing is, frankly, quite revolting to me.
I've said a lot of shit online through the years, as we all know we all have.
To suddenly pretend it's unusual or grounds to terminate someone is not only distasteful - it's overtly dishonest.
In fact, it's a LOT worse than bullshitting on some blog or chat-room - saying outlandish things because you're desperate for a reaction.
I know many people want freedom of speech to only apply to things they think are morally right, but it is a good thing that that is not true.
However for a PR guy, not to have removed those blogs and images (while the internet never forgets, you can always try). Is a extreamly dumb move. I will judge him on that, and not what he typed 10 years ago. How morally/unfunny I find his comments.
Every single person here has had fantasies or masturbated to images/videos of naked people - or.... something much more "controversial".
Is it really necessary to pretend otherwise or keep it hidden? I don't really think so.
If anything is dumb - it's to react as if it wasn't completely and utterly natural. Who cares how many images we're talking about. It's not as if people always individually download single images - as they tend to come in batches. I've certainly had gigabytes of porn myself - and there's been some weird shit in there that I didn't manually pick out - and some perverse shit that I DID pick out. I might not be the most perverse individual in the world - but I'm definitely not a puritan and I don't delude myself into being a liar about it.
Does that make me a bad Nazi developer? I wouldn't think so.
Personally, I don't give a shit about the fantasies of other people. If Ben actually stalked another human being - that would be "dumb", but I'm not sure how it would relate to Star Citizen or his role as community manager.
I have no special love for Lesnick, and I think he's a bit one-sided and he's definitely too much of an obsessive fanboi when it comes to Wing Commander and Chris Roberts - but he's also quite level-headed when it comes to responding to the community.
But his personal fantasies and whatever bullshit he's said online outside of his current role? It would have to be a LOT less obvious edgy nothings for me to start worrying about anything.
Maybe it's because I hold zero illusions about the nature of human beings.
However the "jokes" he made. Well keeping them online was a bad move in my opinion. Not because he should not have said those. He is free to do so, but because as a professional in his profession it was his job to KNOW this would bite him in the ass and it is his job to act accordingly. Do I think he needs to be fired? Really depense on the rest of his performence. I do not think one incident like this warrents someone to be fired.
I just don't know anyone stupid enough to post "jokes" like this with their real name...
Again I refer you to this "scandal" and many others like it where a public person's fap preferences is outed and the ensuing shitstorm caused. Is it right? Hell no! Is it inevitable? Hell yes! It sucks but as a public person you need to pick and choose how you look on the Internet. For yourself and the business you work for. Sad but true.
My statement and your statement are both true. That is all I'm saying. An individual does not live in a vacuum. The more public you are the more you have to worry about the public.
Bartoni's Law definition: As an Internet discussion grows volatile, the probability of a comparison involving Donald Trump approaches 1.
I don't play that game - and I refuse to support it.
However, if CIG don't have the balls to stand by having normal people with a normal capacity for bullshitting online - then it's probably dumb in pragmatic terms.
Personally, I think these things are completely par for the course - and I'm sick of having them blown out of proportion.
It's no different than claiming we're all violent psychopaths because we take part in a fantasy when playing a violent game.
For anyone who doesn't understand human psychology - I'll let you in on a secret:
You can NOT control your thoughts. It's 100% impossible. You can, to some extent, control your response to your thoughts - but there's no such thing as full control.
If we have these thoughts and desires - then why must we keep them hidden?
Personally, I don't want to support that. I want words spoken and thoughts shared - and I accept that some will be disturbing and perverse. It's called being human.
The more you hide from that - the more you're going to be living in an illusion, and THAT is when real trouble starts. People can only take so much deceit before they snap.
The news reporter is a real person. Someone that could potentially be harmed by a stalker. Any "stalkerish" sites like Bieber etc could be a sign of something sinister (99% of the time prolly not but still).
Stupid, childish, gross jokes about random things do not bother me at all. No harm no foul. No one was hurt. If you do feel "triggered" or whatever Phrase of the Month you want to use then that is a You problem.
Bartoni's Law definition: As an Internet discussion grows volatile, the probability of a comparison involving Donald Trump approaches 1.
Now, I'm not going to claim it's necessarily smart to be honest about your nature as a human being when being a PR person.
But I'll tell you one thing - I can respect that. In fact, I'd much rather have that than yet another PR robot.
Will the masses want it? Probably not.
So, what's the smartest thing to do? I guess it depends on your personal integrity and the will of the people hiring you.
I can't agree.
However, I do agree that "your" way is the safest and most common way. For some, that's the smart way.
The psychology students and the ones who practice as a psychologist I know (not because I am in treatment) admitted for the most part that they chose this path because of mental problems they or their environment had/have.
And why do you only look at the fanboys of SC? Why do you write that word in big letters? You can answer that yourself if you learned something in the 3 years of study or are a reflective person
Bartoni's Law definition: As an Internet discussion grows volatile, the probability of a comparison involving Donald Trump approaches 1.
Oh I will readily agree there is shit posting on both sides of the fence, I just think there is more from the fan side especially when it is actual level headed criticism. In regards to this thread there is stupid shit said 10 years ago and then there is really stupid shit that calls into question your character. Has he changed from 10 years ago? Maybe he has or maybe he just realizes he shouldn't write a public blog that is easily traceable to him.
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Erillion tends to post things that have no bearing on a conversation or tells you to go find the information yourself when he can't come up with a good reason as to why the project is suffering *insert issue here*. MisterZebub does make good posts and while we can fall on opposite sides of the argument at times at least he sticks to the subject at hand.
It doesn't seem look like a joke site to me more like a diary what got written in now and then.
If you're going to diagnose a mental health problem - you kinda need to dig a bit deeper than that. If you're just talking about potential "signs" - you're not really saying anything, as almost any sentence could be a potential sign.
Otherwise, saying you've "studied for 3 years and..." really means "I agree with the detractors and here's my way of making me sound right".
Only, it had the opposite effect