One man and his twisted mind. The face of the community? From the mind of Ben Lesnick.

Shodanas

Deathenger said:

So do you think a main figurehead of a community should have something like this in his background?

Mister, what you are doing is text book character assassination. This is as low as someone can sink.

This goes way beyond not liking a project. There is clearly an agenda at play here. I can't prove it but there is no other rational explanation.

No one walks this lengths to throw shit at someone or a project unless there is some sort of personal gain involved.

DKLond

Warlyx said:

i need more popcorn.....

I think the popcorn industry needs to make a seriously big pledge to Star Citizen in return for all that extra revenue

Brorim

Even though I think SC is a load of BS it is hard for me to judge the software on this silly man and his actions . Actions in no way related to the development of SC ..

bartoni33

Kefo said:

bartoni33 said:

Nokksonwood said:

Lots of good and bad things being said about SC, but what worries me the most are the rampant FANBOYS of SC. I studied psychology for 3 years, and I can definitely see the signs of mental health problems when it comes to the posts made by some SC followers.

So the rational posts like Erillion and MisterZebub and many others make compared to the utter nonsense that Brenics and Rodarin and others make are the ones that stand out to you? Really?

Erillion tends to post things that have no bearing on a conversation or tells you to go find the information yourself when he can't come up with a good reason as to why the project is suffering *insert issue here*. MisterZebub does make good posts and while we can fall on opposite sides of the argument at times at least he sticks to the subject at hand.

I can agree with you with both examples.

Neither example shows "mental health problems" as the Internet Doctor claims.

The constant "OMG SC is failing/a scam/vaporware/touching me in a private area" threads with the circle-jerk reply's spouting the same tired themes on the other hand...  

SmartySmart

DKLond said:

SmartySmart said:

Nokksonwood said:

Lots of good and bad things being said about SC, but what worries me the most are the rampant FANBOYS of SC. I studied psychology for 3 years, and I can definitely see the signs of mental health problems when it comes to the posts made by some SC followers.

If you studied psychology for 3 years you should be aware that almost every human being has some sort of mental health problems. And it's not unusual that people who study psychology do that because of their own past and what they experienced which may have led to their curiosity for psychology.

The psychology students and the ones who practice as a psychologist I know (not because I am in treatment) admitted for the most part that they chose this path because of mental problems they or their environment had/have.

And why do you only look at the fanboys of SC? Why do you write that word in big letters? You can answer that yourself if you learned something in the 3 years of study or are a reflective person

Talking about telltale signs, I'd say one of the first signs that someone doesn't understand psychology is claims of mental health problems based on tidbit online communication by people you've never met.

If you're going to diagnose a mental health problem - you kinda need to dig a bit deeper than that. If you're just talking about potential "signs" - you're not really saying anything, as almost any sentence could be a potential sign.

Otherwise, saying you've "studied for 3 years and..." really means "I agree with the detractors and here's my way of making me sound right".

Only, it had the opposite effect

True... a remote diagnosis (like through the Internet) can give potential signs which can lead to assumptions how possible a certain illness is. You cannot make a proper and full diagnosis via remote diagnosis. Furthermore you can only put very little of your whole personality/behavior into written words. There is almost no nonverbal communication possible over the Internet which makes a diagnosis much more difficult. 

But considering diagnosis over the Internet there is one thing that can help to limit the number of possible illnesses... if you follow certain persons over a longer period and study their overall behavior it helps to draw a superficial personality profile and so on.

But our 3 years psychology student here should have more answers to that, doesn't he?

Erillion

SmartySmart said:

But our 3 years psychology student here should have more answers to that, doesn't he?

http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/the-psychology-of-online-comments


Have fun

Daikuru

AnnaTS

Erillion said:

SmartySmart said:

But our 3 years psychology student here should have more answers to that, doesn't he?

http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/the-psychology-of-online-comments


Have fun

Bringing psychology into it now ? lol

I suppose it's the only way to try and get a positive out of this.

Erillion

AnnaTS said:

Erillion said:

SmartySmart said:

But our 3 years psychology student here should have more answers to that, doesn't he?

http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/the-psychology-of-online-comments


Have fun

Bringing psychology into it now ? lol

I suppose it's the only way to try and get a positive out of this.

Its @Nokksonwood ; (see page 2, last post) that brings psychology into this with his 3 years experience as a psychology student.

There is a ton of material online w.r.t. that.


Have fun

SmartySmart

Erillion said:

SmartySmart said:

But our 3 years psychology student here should have more answers to that, doesn't he?

http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/the-psychology-of-online-comments


Have fun

Thanks for the read. I was already aware of most of it but it helped refreshing some things. One thing is for sure... even the more "positive" people here are part of that. We can also be victim of such behavior. But from my perspective more positive and self-confident people can laugh about themselves and admit being wrong whereas negative people tend to defend their position till the end even if presented with sources, examples etc.

I fear that only few hardcore anti people here will read this. 

AnnaTS

Erillion said:

AnnaTS said:

Erillion said:

SmartySmart said:

But our 3 years psychology student here should have more answers to that, doesn't he?

http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/the-psychology-of-online-comments


Have fun

Bringing psychology into it now ? lol

I suppose it's the only way to try and get a positive out of this.

Its @Nokksonwood ; (see page 2, last post) that brings psychology into this with his 3 years experience as a psychology student.

There is a ton of material online w.r.t. that.


Have fun

It does really matter who brought it up i must of missed it but again doesn't matter you was joining in if someone else had posted your poast i still would posted my reply to it because it was a post about pyschology and  you may not of brought it up but that second sentence still makes sense. lol

I have gone through life not making comments like this online and to people face to face and so have other people what makes this person so special ?

Like i said pyschology is the only straw you can grasp at better be quick before it falls.

DKLond

What I find most amazing is that we bother to go in circles about things that we'll obviously never even come close to agreeing on.

It's like that definition of insanity

Just think of the time and effort that could be saved by simply waiting until it's cancelled or released.

Kefo

DKLond said:

What I find most amazing is that we bother to go in circles about things that we'll obviously never even come close to agreeing on.

It's like that definition of insanity

Just think of the time and effort that could be saved by simply waiting until it's cancelled or released.

Wheres the fun in that? Debate makes things interesting, and of course seeing the answers people put up as a defense lol

Kyleran

AnnaTS said:

Erillion said:

AnnaTS said:

Erillion said:

SmartySmart said:

But our 3 years psychology student here should have more answers to that, doesn't he?

http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/the-psychology-of-online-comments


Have fun

Bringing psychology into it now ? lol

I suppose it's the only way to try and get a positive out of this.

Its @Nokksonwood ; (see page 2, last post) that brings psychology into this with his 3 years experience as a psychology student.

There is a ton of material online w.r.t. that.


Have fun

It does really matter who brought it up i must of missed it but again doesn't matter you was joining in if someone else had posted your poast i still would posted my reply to it because it was a post about pyschology and  you may not of brought it up but that second sentence still makes sense. lol

I have gone through life not making comments like this online and to people face to face and so have other people what makes this person so special ?

Like i said pyschology is the only straw you can grasp at better be quick before it falls.

You should read the article, you are featured in there.

AnnaTS

Kyleran said:

AnnaTS said:

Erillion said:

AnnaTS said:

Erillion said:

SmartySmart said:

But our 3 years psychology student here should have more answers to that, doesn't he?

http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/the-psychology-of-online-comments


Have fun

Bringing psychology into it now ? lol

I suppose it's the only way to try and get a positive out of this.

Its @Nokksonwood ; (see page 2, last post) that brings psychology into this with his 3 years experience as a psychology student.

There is a ton of material online w.r.t. that.


Have fun

It does really matter who brought it up i must of missed it but again doesn't matter you was joining in if someone else had posted your poast i still would posted my reply to it because it was a post about pyschology and  you may not of brought it up but that second sentence still makes sense. lol

I have gone through life not making comments like this online and to people face to face and so have other people what makes this person so special ?

Like i said pyschology is the only straw you can grasp at better be quick before it falls.

You should read the article, you are featured in there.

The article has nothing to do with the topic that is just people trying to find a positive reasoning behind the comments this guy has made. lol

Plus i doubt i am in it i don't live in America.

DKLond

Kefo said:

DKLond said:

What I find most amazing is that we bother to go in circles about things that we'll obviously never even come close to agreeing on.

It's like that definition of insanity

Just think of the time and effort that could be saved by simply waiting until it's cancelled or released.

Wheres the fun in that? Debate makes things interesting, and of course seeing the answers people put up as a defense lol

Interesting debate makes things interesting. Going in circles forever can only last for so long in terms of entertainment value.

Maybe that's just me, though.

That's probably why I just pop in now and again - and I quickly remember the futility of it all.

But, sure, I'm guilty as well. I guess I'm just that stupid.

hfztt

Ok, I am no SC fanboy, but his is just... Meh...

Typical Goon PR strike. Put it up for the weekend so the target (CIG, do not fool yourself, Ben is not the target here) is not ready to respond unless they pull weekend overtime.

They did it all the time against CCP, and now they are doing it to their new favorite target. Someone at CIG should get the Goon Management Manual from CCP...

Do I find some of the stuff in there to be creepy? Yeah, sure. But then again I would not like to see anyone post my 1995-2005 IRC chats out of context. Pretty sure that would contain stuff that would make me cringe today...

Wizardry

Pointing fingers at players is NOT the way,you need to point fingers at BAD game design.If the game design does not allow a GOON squad to flourish and manipulate the game then guess what,it is a better place for all.

SO many including devs seem to forget that game ideas need to work clearly for all players and not just for whomever has the largest clan or the biggest pocket books two areas which CCP failed badly.
On top of those  two blatant fails you actually need a GAME,you know something other than 24/7 pvp and no playing the market or pew pew mining does not a game make.

Is SC going to fix the problems Eve had??Pfft the obvious ONLY care this CR has is  how to make money,play mr.Hollywood in his directing chair even if only for meaningless areas of game design that any other developer pulls off with small budgets and less time.

A Psychologists read int oRobert's is imo VERY obvious,he has been catering to his wife's long lived dream of mrs.Hollywood and his long dream of Mr.Hollywood,he needs money and REASONS to get there,gaming is simply his avenue for making money and achieving his goals.Game design is NOT his forte he is trying  to WING IT "no relation to Wing Commander" and he is struggling at winging it.

Shodanas

hfztt said:

Ok, I am no SC fanboy, but his is just... Meh...

Typical Goon PR strike. Put it up for the weekend so the target (CIG, do not fool yourself, Ben is not the target here) is not ready to respond unless they pull weekend overtime.

They did it all the time against CCP, and now they are doing it to their new favorite target. Someone at CIG should get the Goon Management Manual from CCP...

Do I find some of the stuff in there to be creepy? Yeah, sure. But then again I would not like to see anyone post my 1995-2005 IRC chats out of context. Pretty sure that would contain stuff that would make me cringe today...

I'm not sure this is Goons..

The guy putting the initial link on reddit is a DS blog frequenter me thinks. Same applies for the one replying and describing Lesnick as a "demented human being".

Deathenger

Wow, I knew fans of SC were loya, but to pass off things like pedophile comments, racism and Hitler worship just to mention a few as "no biggie" is kind of sad.

Now the real question is whether Ben's gonna still have a job come Monday.

AnnaTS

Doesn't matter who posted it they didn't make this person write what they did on the internet in their 20's their own brain did just like my brain told me to write what i am writing now. lol

rodarin

This one really must hurt because it has more than the usual suspects from the pro camp out defending it.

But I find the arguments hilarious...

'People say stuff like this or 'worse' all the time'. Yeah anonymous clowns who might go off the rails once in awhile or got caught up in something and it passed. This guy WROTE it down and expounded on it FOR YEARS. There is a huge difference there, if peopel cant see that then whatever.

'Its a joke' OK people might have off color and bad taste jokes, youre right thats not a big deal. BUT talking about having sex with pre teens combined with the complete stalker mode pictures he has is a pretty huge red flag. I suppose if he had pics of kids (as long as they were clothed or 'tasteful') all over his computer it would be OK too? 

'He was 25 thats still pretty young', that might be the best one yet. At 25 most people focusing on professional lives already have their masters or are a few years into an internship. "regular folks have been out of college for a few years and high school for about 7 or 8. Many people will have a kid or two by that age. So in no stretch is it still sort of young. Its only still sort of young for guys hiding in school from reality who are stuck in that adolescent man child phase where they think they can drink and party and screw around (and apparently for this guy have sex with 12 year olds) their whole lives. Now if he were an undergrad in some backwater hill billy state sure having sex with kids might be semi normal, but he wasnt he was working for a public school system. That little fact alone should warrant further investigation.

But really what is most shocking is how so many pro SC guys have run out to this guys defense. It does really show how Chris Roberts has been able to manipulate and pull money from these people. That isnt hyperbole either that is the way I really think about this. Because even if it is 'just the internet' NORMAL people dont act that way and normal people certainly wouldnt defend it. The best approach anyone with a soul would and probably should take is to just shut up and stop typing in defense of the guy. They obviously shouldnt pick THIS topic to suddenly come to the defense of SC. Which again is what I find so puzzling.

Deathenger

DKLond said:

Having pictures of attractive women that you want to have sex with or whatever is considered unnatural somehow?

The hypocrisy is strong with this one.

HOLY CRAP MAN YOU CANT BE SERIOUS!!!!!! LOLOLOLOLOLOL THERE ARE OVER 1000 PICTURES OF THAT WOMAN ON THAT SITE!!!!!!!!

OVER 1000!!!



I'm willing bet that woman wouldn't find it very humerus or flattering!

bartoni33

Deathenger said:

Wow, I knew fans of SC were loya, but to pass off things like pedophile comments, racism and Hitler worship just to mention a few as "no biggie" is kind of sad.

Now the real question is whether Ben's gonna still have a job come Monday.

This has nothing to do with SC. SC did not exist when these comments were made.

Childish attempts at comedy are "no biggie". Especially when they were made 10+ years ago.

As to Big Ben's employment status? That is a legitimate question. We will see if CIG caves into the pressure, if any is actually being applied.

Distopia

Definitely not going to defend something like this, I'd feel no sympathy for such a clown if they lose their job, that's for sure. So you got some points on the board, too bad it really doesn't pertain to SC itself.