All he said was the game is not only about pvp but there's also pve activities. He's not wrong.
There's plenty of stuff to do for pve people if one can cope with the possibility of a random pk when they go outside safe areas.
Of course there are PvE activities but PvP *IS* the be all end all, as that is what the game is all about.
PvE activities are a supporting feature for PvP
Point being, it is not a PvP game, it's a PvX game.
The game can be tailored to a players play style. If you are a PvE player, you can completely down play and minimize the PvP aspects of the game to the point that they are virtually non existent. Even beyond level 45, there are PvE quests and PvE dungeons that will be introduced into the game, along with the overwhelming number of the PvE activities already in the game that PvE players can entertain themselves with deep into the end game levels of the game.
Does the possibility exist that a player can be be ganked? Of course it does. It's a game that allows for OWPvP as a feature game play mechanic. But that feature does not define the game no more than any other feature in the game. As a matter of fact, a crafter playing the economy game can buy BiS gear straight out of the AH without ever having to engage in PvP whatsoever.
I find it amazing that these PvP-centric players continue to insist that BDO is a PvP game simply because it offers the possibility of OWPvP after level 45, yet completely ignore the fact that a player has an overwhelming amount of PvE activities to engage in beginning at level one through level 45, and continuing beyond level 45 ad infinitum. As a matter of fact, nothing at all can be accomplished in the game unless a player engages in PvE activities.
So pray tell, how do the limited activities of PvP activities make this a PvP game over the overwhelming number of PvE activities it offers? The simple and obvious answer is .. it doesn't! That's like saying EVE, Darkfall, and MO are PvE games because they allow players to gather resources and craft.
OWPvP is a feature mechanic of the game that adds variety to its game play, it does not define it, and no amount of screaming and insisting, by you and your brethren, that BDO is a "PvP game" will ever change the fact that BDO is a PvX game catering to both player demographics.
For me a PvE game has no PvP whtsover.
So FFXIV is a pvp game in your eyes because it has a pvp mode.
I've been away from mmo's for quite some time, wanting to get back in.
I remember eyeing this game a while back, and now that it's playable I'm wondering if it's a game I'd enjoy.
I'm not overly enjoyed by PvP, a little bit here and there is fun but I'm not looking for a game that I have to PvP in. I love to craft, how is crafting in this game? Is crafting meaningful and something you can devote alot of time to? How's the PvE? I'm mainly interested in PvE content to be honest.
Thanks in advance. -Tekton
It is a game from everyone!! It is practically skyrim with optional multiplayer with added feature like horse taming, pvp etc.
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The original game design was open world PvP at level 1 - Korean CBT1 changed it to level 15.
Daum stepped in realized that they could get 10x sales if they hooked PvE players and got PA to change the game to PvE first PvP later.
Is it a PvX game - under 45 yes, but it is not really a PvX game long term.
For me a PvE game has no PvP whtsover.
A PvX game has separate PvE and PvP, so that one can choose which to pick.
A PVP game is where there is no choice, a player can kill anyone even those who are NOT willing to PvP.
After level 45 you can kill anyone, even players who don't want to PvP - there is no choice given.
Therefore, without a doubt, Black Desert is in fact a PvP game.
I don't see why this is such a hard thing to get for people.
Again, some lost carebear is going to refute this. They will join the game and when they hit level 45 come back to MMORPG distraught making posts demanding all types of changes while having flash backs of gettin bullied in school taking it out on anybody in range.
"As far as the forum code of conduct, I would think it's a bit outdated and in need of a refre *CLOSED*"
I agree, you can't avoid PvP after 45 if there are quests you want to do above that level. Those areas will be camped if not already, as camping PvE quest hubs is pretty standard in a PvP game. Which means you probably won't be able to do them solo either.
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I agree, you can't avoid PvP after 45 if there are quests you want to do above that level. Those areas will be camped if not already, as camping PvE quest hubs is pretty standard in a PvP game. Which means you probably won't be able to do them solo either.
Towns are safe zones tough. There are ways to avoid potential fights by not going in the popular grinding spots or if someone is griefing you, change channel.
So far I personally haven't witnessed any rampant pking as usually people complain on chat. There's barely any threads on that subject on forum too.
If I could play archeage for over 6 months with less than 10 pks, everyone can.
The original game design was open world PvP at level 1 - Korean CBT1 changed it to level 15.
Daum stepped in realized that they could get 10x sales if they hooked PvE players and got PA to change the game to PvE first PvP later.
Is it a PvX game - under 45 yes, but it is not really a PvX game long term.
For me a PvE game has no PvP whtsover.
A PvX game has separate PvE and PvP, so that one can choose which to pick.
A PVP game is where there is no choice, a player can kill anyone even those who are NOT willing to PvP.
After level 45 you can kill anyone, even players who don't want to PvP - there is no choice given.
Therefore, without a doubt, Black Desert is in fact a PvP game.
It doesn't matter what the original game design was, what matters is what it is. That still doesn't change the fact that the game is overwhelmingly PvE, not PvP. There is nothing you can do in this game without engaging in PvE activities. The same can not be said for its PvP activities.
And no, It is not a PvX game under 45. Its exclusively a PvE game under 45. This statement alone shows your bias. You can't even accept when the game is exclusively PvE, claiming it to be PvX in an effort to undermine its PvE features in an area where its PvE exclusivity can not even be factually disputed.
FOR YOU a PvE game has no PvP whatsoever, and that's because you are a hard-core PvP-centric player that totally disregards the PvE aspects of any game. Your stance on this matter given your admitted history in the manner in which you play your games, is not surprising, and therefore carries no credibility in respects to anything PvE related.
No a PvX game is not defined as a game having separate PvE and PvP servers. A game that has separate servers for PvE and PvP servers is a game that is PvE on its PvE servers, and PvP on its PvP servers. PvX defines a game that combines both PvE and PvP in its game play features on the same server.
A PvP game is not a game where there is no choice and a player can kill anyone even those who are NOT willing to PvP, no more than a PvE game is not a game where there is no choice on whether a player can PvE who is not willing to PvE. Just because you lend more credence to PvP over PvE doesn't mean the same priority and preference is applied by everyone who plays the game.
Again, being able to kill someone after level 45 is a feature activity in a variety of features available to the player base not unlike crafting, trading, horse breeding, etc., ... it does not define the game. How can PvP define the game to a player who does not engage in PvP at all and all they do is horse tame, horse breed, fish, craft boats, trade, hunt, etc? And that's just naming a few of the overwhelming PvE activities available in the game.
Are you even aware that there are fishing guilds, trading guilds, horse taming guilds etc., in the game that this is all they do and never PvP at all? How can a game be a "PvP game" when a large portion of its player base ignores its PvP feature entirely?
In conclusion ... I am not stating the above facts for you Kano, because I know that you are smarter than that and are just a PvP troll who likes to get reaction out of posters. My response is for the PvP-centric sheep out there who may not have as much experience as you do and take your word as gospel. Or maybe I am giving you too much credit and you are this ignorant. I'll let the reader decide.
So FFXIV is a pvp game in your eyes because it has a pvp mode.
No - please read what I wrote before cherry picking a single line
"For me a PvE game has no PvP whtsover.
A PvX game has separate PvE and PvP, so that one can choose which to pick.
A PVP game is where there is no choice, a player can kill anyone even those who are NOT willing to PvP."
FFXIV is clearly a PvX game - you can *choose* to PvE or PvP
Thank you.
In BD after level 45 you have no choice - you cannot turn PvP off - which is a defining feature of a PvP game not PvX game.
The death penalty is not that harsh so unless people decide to start camping and/or ganking any person they see it's still possible to be both.
Open world pvp doesn't mean it can't be both.
You have a choice if you want to participate in that side of the game or not. You are not forced to kill other players.
But you are forced to get killed by others whether you want to participate in pvp or not. That is PvP game.
Are games that you are forced to PvE exclusively PvE games?
There is nothing that can be accomplished in BDO without engaging heavily in its PvE activities. Gaining levels and gear can only be accomplished by ginding PvE mobs.
By your definition then, BDO is a PvE game since everyone is forced to PvE.
1) the penalties are very small or negligible it will have no real impact on a person who is not interested in PvP.
2)If you can avoid the PvP by switching channels or moving off the beaten path or the game gives enough opportunities to avoid it becomes no longer an important consideration to a PvE player.
3)That the incidences of people camping a PvE player are very low and there is no real roaming marauders who target players then the fact that you might occasionally get killed is of no consequence
I cannot see how you can really call this a PvP game given how little impact PvP has on the player whereas the PvE aspects seems to be more present and plays a bigger role.
Have to agree, BDO is not exclusively PVP, if anything there are far more PVE related activities you can do in game than there are PVP ones, regardless of level, imo describing it as a PVX game is probably the most appropriate. Almost level 52 now, and, still not doing the PVP thing, and i am exclusively doing PVE activities, of which there are a lot. From my perspective, its a heavily PVE orientated game with some PVP elements, but thats because i play that way and BDO fully supports my style of gameplay, maybe thats why i am still playing it far too much, and, i just hit Trading Pro 9, and got most of my armour up to 12 and my weapons to 14.
Just because you don't choose to participate in PvP doesn't change the vision of the devs - who are Pearl Abyss, not CM_Jouska.
CM_Jouska works for the publishers, you know, Daum, the guys who actually gave you that lvl 45 PK over the devs who didn't put it in KR/JP/RU. If it was upto the devs, it would be even more PVE friendly. So not quite sure what your point is?
Black Desert is an open world PvP game - it was originally designed and envisioned to be so before the crafting systems were even in game - Korean CBT1 had open world PvP at level 15, and most crafting didn't even exist.
Doesn't matter what happen in Beta test, it's gone, dead, forgotten.
There isn't a single PvE only server in the world - every black desert server has open world PvP as a core feature.
They are all PVE servers, all of them have core PVE mechanics. hell, you yourself said PVP'ers cannot exist without crafting themselves. I/PVE'ers can exist without PVP'ing !!!!!!!
Again if you choose to only do PvE aspects it doesn't make it into a PvE game because outside of protected zones any 45+ can kill any level 45+ at will.
Again, if you chose to do only PVP aspects it doesn't make it into a PVP game because outside of protected zones I have never been killed and never been involved in PK.
There are players on Edan who go around and kill everyone in their path leaving trails of dead horses and players on the road. Some even stream it - just killing 100s of players for hours, also killing their horses and desteoyihg wagons.
Wonderful peeps right there . Never seen that even once on my server, never been PK'ed, truly. A few asshats every so often doesn't make a game PVP only.
They are permanent negative karma players and with Valencia expansion there will be more of them as negative karma players get their own town to operate out of.
Again as more end game areas are released - it's all about PvP.
Node wars is going to be a big wake up call for PvE players hehe.
The next big expansion in KR is all about naval PvP.
But yeah.. keep telling yourself it's a PvE game
I have never said it's a PVE game. Or if I did, that wasn't the point I was making, my argument is simply it's not *just* a PVP game. And it isn't. I am proof you can play for two months and not get killed and not get PK'ed and get to soft cap (almost, 1.5 lvls to go). But yeah.... keep telling yourself it's a PVP game.
Don't confuse the way *you* want to play as either the *only* way, or the way it's *meant* to be played. You don't get to decide the latter two.
1) the penalties are very small or negligible it will have no real impact on a person who is not interested in PvP.
2)If you can avoid the PvP by switching channels or moving off the beaten path or the game gives enough opportunities to avoid it becomes no longer an important consideration to a PvE player.
3)That the incidences of people camping a PvE player are very low and there is no real roaming marauders who target players then the fact that you might occasionally get killed is of no consequence
I cannot see how you can really call this a PvP game given how little impact PvP has on the player whereas the PvE aspects seems to be more present and plays a bigger role.
It is just the mindset of the hard-core OWPvP-centric player to attempt to claim every game that has PvP in it as their own due to the "red-headed step child" complex they have inherited as a result of playing second class citizens to their PvE peers for so long.
Little do they realize that they are doing themselves, and by association the games they covet, a disservice by pushing away a larger portion of the gaming base thereby sabotaging the games they like and support. If they were smart, they would accept these games as PvX and encourage PvE-centric players to play them thereby increasing and stabilizing these games success, giving them the larger player base they so desperately covet, rather than being rude, toxic, and obnoxious to anyone that doesn't agree with their toxic preference in gaming, thereby increasing the speediness of their demise.
That said, we are talking about the hard-core OWPvP crowd here. The fact they don't get it , given the history of behavior in PvP-centric games, is not really surprising.
So FFXIV is a pvp game in your eyes because it has a pvp mode.
No - please read what I wrote before cherry picking a single line
"For me a PvE game has no PvP whtsover.
A PvX game has separate PvE and PvP, so that one can choose which to pick.
A PVP game is where there is no choice, a player can kill anyone even those who are NOT willing to PvP."
FFXIV is clearly a PvX game - you can *choose* to PvE or PvP
Thank you.
In BD after level 45 you have no choice - you cannot turn PvP off - which is a defining feature of a PvP game not PvX game.
The death penalty is not that harsh so unless people decide to start camping and/or ganking any person they see it's still possible to be both.
Open world pvp doesn't mean it can't be both.
You have a choice if you want to participate in that side of the game or not. You are not forced to kill other players.
First of all the death penalty is not harsh at 48, nor at 50-54.
At 55 it stings
At 60 = a single death is over a 100 hours lost of grinding - if that's not harsh not sure what to tell you
You have a choice if you want to kill other players.
You have NO choice if other players want to kill you.
As if a PvE player gives two dips about the XP lost at level 55, much less what it will be at 60.
Heck, comitting suicide over and over to avoid reaching level 45 is all the craze within the PvE community in BDO as we speak.
No one but the PvP-centric player cares about leveling in BDO. If you would try for a second to think outside of your little PvP mentality box, you would gain a bit of clarity of mind and make a bit of sense in these posts.
Just because you don't choose to participate in PvP doesn't change the vision of the devs - who are Pearl Abyss, not CM_Jouska.
CM_Jouska works for the publishers, you know, Daum, the guys who actually gave you that lvl 45 PK over the devs who didn't put it in KR/JP/RU. If it was upto the devs, it would be even more PVE friendly. So not quite sure what your point is?
Black Desert is an open world PvP game - it was originally designed and envisioned to be so before the crafting systems were even in game - Korean CBT1 had open world PvP at level 15, and most crafting didn't even exist.
Doesn't matter what happen in Beta test, it's gone, dead, forgotten.
There isn't a single PvE only server in the world - every black desert server has open world PvP as a core feature.
They are all PVE servers, all of them have core PVE mechanics. hell, you yourself said PVP'ers cannot exist without crafting themselves. I/PVE'ers can exist without PVP'ing !!!!!!!
Again if you choose to only do PvE aspects it doesn't make it into a PvE game because outside of protected zones any 45+ can kill any level 45+ at will.
Again, if you chose to do only PVP aspects it doesn't make it into a PVP game because outside of protected zones I have never been killed and never been involved in PK.
There are players on Edan who go around and kill everyone in their path leaving trails of dead horses and players on the road. Some even stream it - just killing 100s of players for hours, also killing their horses and desteoyihg wagons.
Wonderful peeps right there . Never seen that even once on my server, never been PK'ed, truly. A few asshats every so often doesn't make a game PVP only.
They are permanent negative karma players and with Valencia expansion there will be more of them as negative karma players get their own town to operate out of.
Again as more end game areas are released - it's all about PvP.
Node wars is going to be a big wake up call for PvE players hehe.
The next big expansion in KR is all about naval PvP.
But yeah.. keep telling yourself it's a PvE game
I have never said it's a PVE game. Or if I did, that wasn't the point I was making, my argument is simply it's not *just* a PVP game. And it isn't. I am proof you can play for two months and not get killed and not get PK'ed and get to soft cap (almost, 1.5 lvls to go). But yeah.... keep telling yourself it's a PVP game.
Don't confuse the way *you* want to play as either the *only* way, or the way it's *meant* to be played. You don't get to decide the latter two.
If a player has zero choice of being attacked and killed by other players - is that:
1. PvE game 2. PvX game 3. PvP game
?
You said that - it's a PvX game (meaning you have a choice of PvE/PvP)
It is obvious that BD is not a PvE game, not a PvX game as you have no choice of avoiding PvP after 45.
well Kano , someone could play to 45 and only play the PVE game after that ... never advancing and putting themselves into the PvP .... Now CS , Red Orchestra , CoD htese are truly PvP games .. But the option is there in BD to not participate and enjoy the PVE aspects ... So that would make BD a PvX game ...
Just because you don't choose to participate in PvP doesn't change the vision of the devs - who are Pearl Abyss, not CM_Jouska.
CM_Jouska works for the publishers, you know, Daum, the guys who actually gave you that lvl 45 PK over the devs who didn't put it in KR/JP/RU. If it was upto the devs, it would be even more PVE friendly. So not quite sure what your point is?
Black Desert is an open world PvP game - it was originally designed and envisioned to be so before the crafting systems were even in game - Korean CBT1 had open world PvP at level 15, and most crafting didn't even exist.
Doesn't matter what happen in Beta test, it's gone, dead, forgotten.
There isn't a single PvE only server in the world - every black desert server has open world PvP as a core feature.
They are all PVE servers, all of them have core PVE mechanics. hell, you yourself said PVP'ers cannot exist without crafting themselves. I/PVE'ers can exist without PVP'ing !!!!!!!
Again if you choose to only do PvE aspects it doesn't make it into a PvE game because outside of protected zones any 45+ can kill any level 45+ at will.
Again, if you chose to do only PVP aspects it doesn't make it into a PVP game because outside of protected zones I have never been killed and never been involved in PK.
There are players on Edan who go around and kill everyone in their path leaving trails of dead horses and players on the road. Some even stream it - just killing 100s of players for hours, also killing their horses and desteoyihg wagons.
Wonderful peeps right there . Never seen that even once on my server, never been PK'ed, truly. A few asshats every so often doesn't make a game PVP only.
They are permanent negative karma players and with Valencia expansion there will be more of them as negative karma players get their own town to operate out of.
Again as more end game areas are released - it's all about PvP.
Node wars is going to be a big wake up call for PvE players hehe.
The next big expansion in KR is all about naval PvP.
But yeah.. keep telling yourself it's a PvE game
I have never said it's a PVE game. Or if I did, that wasn't the point I was making, my argument is simply it's not *just* a PVP game. And it isn't. I am proof you can play for two months and not get killed and not get PK'ed and get to soft cap (almost, 1.5 lvls to go). But yeah.... keep telling yourself it's a PVP game.
Don't confuse the way *you* want to play as either the *only* way, or the way it's *meant* to be played. You don't get to decide the latter two.
If a player has zero choice of being attacked and killed by other players - is that:
1. PvE game 2. PvX game 3. PvP game
?
You said that - it's a PvX game (meaning you have a choice of PvE/PvP)
It is obvious that BD is not a PvE game, not a PvX game as you have no choice of avoiding PvP after 45.
So FFXIV is a pvp game in your eyes because it has a pvp mode.
No - please read what I wrote before cherry picking a single line
"For me a PvE game has no PvP whtsover.
A PvX game has separate PvE and PvP, so that one can choose which to pick.
A PVP game is where there is no choice, a player can kill anyone even those who are NOT willing to PvP."
FFXIV is clearly a PvX game - you can *choose* to PvE or PvP
Thank you.
In BD after level 45 you have no choice - you cannot turn PvP off - which is a defining feature of a PvP game not PvX game.
The death penalty is not that harsh so unless people decide to start camping and/or ganking any person they see it's still possible to be both.
Open world pvp doesn't mean it can't be both.
You have a choice if you want to participate in that side of the game or not. You are not forced to kill other players.
First of all the death penalty is not harsh at 48, nor at 50-54.
At 55 it stings
At 60 = a single death is over a 100 hours lost of grinding - if that's not harsh not sure what to tell you
You have a choice if you want to kill other players.
You have NO choice if other players want to kill you.
As if a PvE player gives two dips about the XP lost at level 55, much less what it will be at 60.
Heck, comitting suicide over and over to avoid reaching level 45 is all the craze within the PvE community in BDO as we speak.
No one but the PvP-centric player cares about leveling in BDO. If you would try for a second to think outside of your little PvP mentality box, you would gain a bit of clarity of mind and make a bit of sense in these posts.
Hey if someone wants to play BD as PvE game and commit suicide over and over an over again to avoid level 45 - go right ahead.
It's 100% their right, and I am ok with that.
If someone wants to buy a car and live inside of it and never drive it - again that's completely fine with me.
But the reality is that a car in was designed to be driven (and yes I am talking about a car not an RV) - same as Black Desert is designed for PvP.
No arguing is ever going to change the fact of what the original design was intended behind Black Desert.
PVX means it contains both PVE and PVP, nobody is saying that BDO does not contain PVP, but it seems to be that a lot of people refuse to accept that BDO also contains a lot of PVE, this is not about whether or not you can avoid PVP, but whether or not you have to make it the focus of your gameplay, its an important distinction.
As I said before, far too many companies are forcing both crowds to play together.
Imo is a bad choice but since all the interesting games (Obviously for me) are like this I'll still give them a try because while I don't enjoy open world pvp, there is stuff to do pve wise.
I don't care what people identify Black Desert as after 45. Just don't hit forums (theirs or MMORPG) complaing and crying and calling people sociopaths or red headed step childs when you get killed. Keep your delusion and use it to explain away what's happening to you.
-------- "Hey be careful on this field, it's tackle football"
"No it's not as long as I don't get tackled and play 2 hand touch it's 2 hand touch"
*Gets plowed*
*Calls police and tries to sue every carbon based lifeform that was present for getting tackled* --------
"As far as the forum code of conduct, I would think it's a bit outdated and in need of a refre *CLOSED*"
I don't care what people identify Black Desert as after 45. Just don't hit forums (theirs or MMORPG) complaing and crying and calling people sociopaths or red headed step childs when you get killed. Keep your delusion and use it to explain away what's happening to you.
-------- "Hey be careful on this field, it's tackle football"
"No it's not as long as I don't get tackled and play 2 hand touch it's 2 hand touch"
*Gets plowed*
*Calls police and tries to sue every carbon based lifeform that was present for getting tackled* --------
Your analogy falls flat on its face when you come to the realization that what it is being played in that field is, in fact, a PvP game, not a PvX game.
No one is denying the fact that FPS, MOBAs, DOTAs, and even MMORPGs such as EVE, Mortal online, and Darkfall are PvP games (Ie., "tackle football").
Point being, BDO is not "tackle football." It is an MMORPG comprised of both PvE and PvP features. There is no comparison in football to an MMORPG featuring a combination of both PvE and PvP.
Get back to us when you are able to come up with a football game analogy that combines "tackling," and "two-hand touch" in the same game. When you do so, you will be unto something. Until then you have nothing.
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Again, some lost carebear is going to refute this. They will join the game and when they hit level 45 come back to MMORPG distraught making posts demanding all types of changes while having flash backs of gettin bullied in school taking it out on anybody in range.
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Open world pvp doesn't mean it can't be both.
You have a choice if you want to participate in that side of the game or not. You are not forced to kill other players.
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So far I personally haven't witnessed any rampant pking as usually people complain on chat. There's barely any threads on that subject on forum too.
If I could play archeage for over 6 months with less than 10 pks, everyone can.
It doesn't matter what the original game design was, what matters is what it is. That still doesn't change the fact that the game is overwhelmingly PvE, not PvP. There is nothing you can do in this game without engaging in PvE activities. The same can not be said for its PvP activities.
And no, It is not a PvX game under 45. Its exclusively a PvE game under 45. This statement alone shows your bias. You can't even accept when the game is exclusively PvE, claiming it to be PvX in an effort to undermine its PvE features in an area where its PvE exclusivity can not even be factually disputed.
FOR YOU a PvE game has no PvP whatsoever, and that's because you are a hard-core PvP-centric player that totally disregards the PvE aspects of any game. Your stance on this matter given your admitted history in the manner in which you play your games, is not surprising, and therefore carries no credibility in respects to anything PvE related.
No a PvX game is not defined as a game having separate PvE and PvP servers. A game that has separate servers for PvE and PvP servers is a game that is PvE on its PvE servers, and PvP on its PvP servers. PvX defines a game that combines both PvE and PvP in its game play features on the same server.
A PvP game is not a game where there is no choice and a player can kill anyone even those who are NOT willing to PvP, no more than a PvE game is not a game where there is no choice on whether a player can PvE who is not willing to PvE. Just because you lend more credence to PvP over PvE doesn't mean the same priority and preference is applied by everyone who plays the game.
Again, being able to kill someone after level 45 is a feature activity in a variety of features available to the player base not unlike crafting, trading, horse breeding, etc., ... it does not define the game. How can PvP define the game to a player who does not engage in PvP at all and all they do is horse tame, horse breed, fish, craft boats, trade, hunt, etc? And that's just naming a few of the overwhelming PvE activities available in the game.
Are you even aware that there are fishing guilds, trading guilds, horse taming guilds etc., in the game that this is all they do and never PvP at all? How can a game be a "PvP game" when a large portion of its player base ignores its PvP feature entirely?
In conclusion ... I am not stating the above facts for you Kano, because I know that you are smarter than that and are just a PvP troll who likes to get reaction out of posters. My response is for the PvP-centric sheep out there who may not have as much experience as you do and take your word as gospel. Or maybe I am giving you too much credit and you are this ignorant. I'll let the reader decide.
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They want to please both sides, but that doesn't mean it's solely for pvp players. That's all I've been trying to say.
And yes, boobs are life.
It doesn't really work imo but they keep on trying to force us to play together.
Are games that you are forced to PvE exclusively PvE games?
There is nothing that can be accomplished in BDO without engaging heavily in its PvE activities. Gaining levels and gear can only be accomplished by ginding PvE mobs.
By your definition then, BDO is a PvE game since everyone is forced to PvE.
1) the penalties are very small or negligible it will have no real impact on a person who is not interested in PvP.
2)If you can avoid the PvP by switching channels or moving off the beaten path or the game gives enough opportunities to avoid it becomes no longer an important consideration to a PvE player.
3)That the incidences of people camping a PvE player are very low and there is no real roaming marauders who target players then the fact that you might occasionally get killed is of no consequence
I cannot see how you can really call this a PvP game given how little impact PvP has on the player whereas the PvE aspects seems to be more present and plays a bigger role.
Almost level 52 now, and, still not doing the PVP thing, and i am exclusively doing PVE activities, of which there are a lot. From my perspective, its a heavily PVE orientated game with some PVP elements, but thats because i play that way and BDO fully supports my style of gameplay, maybe thats why i am still playing it far too much, and, i just hit Trading Pro 9, and got most of my armour up to 12 and my weapons to 14.
It is just the mindset of the hard-core OWPvP-centric player to attempt to claim every game that has PvP in it as their own due to the "red-headed step child" complex they have inherited as a result of playing second class citizens to their PvE peers for so long.
Little do they realize that they are doing themselves, and by association the games they covet, a disservice by pushing away a larger portion of the gaming base thereby sabotaging the games they like and support. If they were smart, they would accept these games as PvX and encourage PvE-centric players to play them thereby increasing and stabilizing these games success, giving them the larger player base they so desperately covet, rather than being rude, toxic, and obnoxious to anyone that doesn't agree with their toxic preference in gaming, thereby increasing the speediness of their demise.
That said, we are talking about the hard-core OWPvP crowd here. The fact they don't get it , given the history of behavior in PvP-centric games, is not really surprising.
When they add new content that requires you to go even higher I'm sure there will be new quests, mobs etc to get there quicker.
Losing experience for me is trivial. More so when you can negate the penalty by simply flagging.
As if a PvE player gives two dips about the XP lost at level 55, much less what it will be at 60.
Heck, comitting suicide over and over to avoid reaching level 45 is all the craze within the PvE community in BDO as we speak.
No one but the PvP-centric player cares about leveling in BDO. If you would try for a second to think outside of your little PvP mentality box, you would gain a bit of clarity of mind and make a bit of sense in these posts.
The game no longer has open pvp at level 15 in any region. I'm sure you can understand why that change was made. Hint: It wasn't for the pvp crowd.
Imo is a bad choice but since all the interesting games (Obviously for me) are like this I'll still give them a try because while I don't enjoy open world pvp, there is stuff to do pve wise.
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"Hey be careful on this field, it's tackle football"
"No it's not as long as I don't get tackled and play 2 hand touch it's 2 hand touch"
*Gets plowed*
*Calls police and tries to sue every carbon based lifeform that was present for getting tackled*
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Your analogy falls flat on its face when you come to the realization that what it is being played in that field is, in fact, a PvP game, not a PvX game.
No one is denying the fact that FPS, MOBAs, DOTAs, and even MMORPGs such as EVE, Mortal online, and Darkfall are PvP games (Ie., "tackle football").
Point being, BDO is not "tackle football." It is an MMORPG comprised of both PvE and PvP features. There is no comparison in football to an MMORPG featuring a combination of both PvE and PvP.
Get back to us when you are able to come up with a football game analogy that combines "tackling," and "two-hand touch" in the same game. When you do so, you will be unto something. Until then you have nothing.