DoorGate

Talonsin

The hits just keep on coming.  Seems the goons dug in and found the fancy door is not just a piece of wood and garage door opener like we were told.


The picture here seems to be from the other side of the door showing the slide mechanism.  When researched and discussed with a Staney Access sales person the door could have cost up to $20,000 for the custom work on the doors.

More info on Dereks site here:
http://www.dereksmart.org/forums/topic/general-discussions/#post-3140

You have to hand it to the goons, they are exceptional about finding those dirty things that people want to hide...

spankybus

Wow...that's awesome...I really wanna hear an explaination for this one. That is a lot of money for a door. Like, a serious chuck of a artist's annual salary.

Talonsin

Found the edit button and fixed the link.  Disregard this post

spankybus

And yes, that is some serious investigation skills. Would never have thought of this myself.

Daikuru

I couldnt care less. Seriously, it just a f***ing door.

And btw, i wonder why they build all these things when the game will never be released.

Talonsin

Daikuru said:

I couldnt care less. Seriously, it just a f***ing door.

And btw, i wonder why they build all these things when the game will never be released.

You dont care that several people at CIG have been caught in another lie concerning backer money?

Shodanas

Really ? F*****g really ?

Is this the new armament of arguments for the anti SC crowd ? A door ?

This puts tabloid news approach to a whole new level.

And you link us DS, a clinical liar and narcissist. The one who refers to SC backers as shitizens..

Congratz.

What the hell.... is MMORPG staff going to let this shit going on ?  

Talonsin

Shodanas said:

Really ? F*****g really ?

Is this the new armament of arguments for the anti SC crowd ? A door ?

This puts tabloid news approach to a whole new level.

And you link us DS, a clinical liar and narcissist. The one who refers to SC backers as shitizens..

Congratz.

Really?  A $20,000 door that we were told was only some wood and a garage door opener?  How much proof of the lies do you need?  How many of the lies can you dismiss?

Shodanas

Talonsin said:

Shodanas said:

Really ? F*****g really ?

Is this the new armament of arguments for the anti SC crowd ? A door ?

This puts tabloid news approach to a whole new level.

And you link us DS, a clinical liar and narcissist. The one who refers to SC backers as shitizens..

Congratz.

Really?  A $20,000 door that we were told was only some wood and a garage door opener?  How much proof of the lies do you need?  How many of the lies can you dismiss?

Oh please...

You talk about lies and your heralds are DS and the goons ? Really ?

This is beyond low...

Talonsin

Shodanas said:

Talonsin said:

Shodanas said:

Really ? F*****g really ?

Is this the new armament of arguments for the anti SC crowd ? A door ?

This puts tabloid news approach to a whole new level.

And you link us DS, a clinical liar and narcissist. The one who refers to SC backers as shitizens..

Congratz.

Really?  A $20,000 door that we were told was only some wood and a garage door opener?  How much proof of the lies do you need?  How many of the lies can you dismiss?

Oh please...

You talk about lies and your heralds are DS and the goons ? Really ?

This is beyond low...

Even a broken clock tells the correct time twice a day mate!

Leon1e

Well what are you thinking they are doing with the money? Do you think money magically turns into code? Or that X money equals Y lines of code? If that is the case stop posting and go educate yourself.

I'm no fan of Star Citizen and co. but this is ridiculous. All those $100kk are going for salaries and OFFICE EXPENSES and licenses that means rent and interior. All those three are what drives the costs for game development. 

You probably work in some factory and you don't know it but creative people need decent offices to work optimally. My company alone invests thousands of dollars for office perks and we have nowhere near $100kk budget.

It's not like everybody at RSI is driving latest model BMW or something. 

Dullahan

Its only a door and Derek Smart is involved, so its therefore okay that 20 grand was wasted.

Got it.

Daikuru

Nice try making a mountain out of a molehole again.

And dont you think they already earned the money with their hard work? Even if the money is from other people and not "investors" or publishers?

Seems like you think they get money and do nothing for it.

Not true. Yes, designing and modelling these ships is work, developing and programming this game is work.

Only the source of the money is different.

Talonsin

Leon1e said:

Well what are you thinking they are doing with the money? Do you think money magically turns into code? Or that X money equals Y lines of code? If that is the case stop posting and go educate yourself.

I'm no fan of Star Citizen and co. but this is ridiculous. All those $100kk are going for salaries and OFFICE EXPENSES that means rent and interior. 

You probably work in some factory and you don't know it but creative people need decent offices to work optimally. My company alone invests thousands of dollars for office perks and we have nowhere near $100kk budget.

It's not like everybody at RSI is driving latest model BMW or something. 

I dont have an issue with the door. I have an issue with the way CIG lied and continued to tell backers it was just a regular wooden door and a garage door opener.  It is obviously much more and cost much more than they let on. 

Chris has said on many occasions that all funds donated would go directly to development.  I dont see how buying a $16,000 coffee machine, a $20,000 door and other expensive office decorations can be seen as spending backer money directly on game development.

tawess

Talonsin said:

Daikuru said:

I couldnt care less. Seriously, it just a f***ing door.

And btw, i wonder why they build all these things when the game will never be released.

You dont care that several people at CIG have been caught in another lie concerning backer money?

Now just to be a arsehat.... Go ahead and prove that backer money paid for that door

spankybus

I don't give. Rats ass for Derek Smart. His game is a giant pile of crap and he has zero room to talk....about anything.....er, ever. Man should invest in duct tape and wear it like lipstick.

but that picture doesn't lie, it's a sliding-glass door setup by a company that puts them on buildings all over the country. It would be very easy to call them for a quote on a similar project. Also need to take into consideration that this is in L.A. Where everything costs more.

@Shodanas you need to be more objective. No offense, this should be a cause for concern to any backer. I am a backer...more than most, I expect. 20k on one door where it could have been 7k? How many other items in the offices are a premium nice-to-have item. If you doubt it, maybe call this company and ask for. Quote on something similar. See for yourself.

'if you seriously don't care how then are spending your money before they've finished the game they are making for you...can I borrow some money from you? ;-)

Meantime, I might not get my carrack at launch because...not enough money? Let's face it, they are working their asses off...so long as they are getting paid.

I am a fan of this game...but not so much that my eyes are closed and my mouth open. 

Talonsin

Daikuru said:

Nice try making a mountain out of a molehole again.

And dont you think they already earned the money with their hard work? Even if the money is from other people and not "investors" or publishers?

Seems like you think they get money and do nothing for it.

 What the heck are you talking about?  What does your post have to do with CIG lying to their backers?

Forgrimm

What's next, Toiletgate?

Talonsin

tawess said:

Talonsin said:

Daikuru said:

I couldnt care less. Seriously, it just a f***ing door.

And btw, i wonder why they build all these things when the game will never be released.

You dont care that several people at CIG have been caught in another lie concerning backer money?

Now just to be a arsehat.... Go ahead and prove that backer money paid for that door

LOL. 

I would say the only evidence I have that backer money paid for that door is the fact they tried to hide it when questioned about it.  If Chris or some backer decided to buy the door for them, why not say that?  Why lie and say it was just a regular door with a garage door opener that the staff installed?

Talonsin

Forgrimm said:

What's next, Toiletgate?

If they install a gold toilet and then lie about it, yes.

Daikuru

Talonsin said:

Daikuru said:

Nice try making a mountain out of a molehole again.

And dont you think they already earned the money with their hard work? Even if the money is from other people and not "investors" or publishers?

Seems like you think they get money and do nothing for it.

 What the heck are you talking about?  What does your post have to do with CIG lying to their backers?

You have to proof that it really was a lie and not a misinformation he got or a assumption he made.

filmoret

I don't see how that door on the top left corner could cost less then 10k.  The other doors aren't anything special.  They can easily be done for 20%-50% increase.  But that top left door you are looking at a 200% increase at least.  Anyways money isnt the problem at CIG right now if you look they are trying to hire 20 more engineers and 19 more artists.

Deathenger

You know what, in another post someone linked to all the "its only a wooden door" crap after I was saying how it would have cost several thousand dollars to pull off. I conceded and apologized and didnt go back and review the original, now I wish I had, and I withdraw my apology! I got sucked into the white knight spin because I was at work and too lazy to dig around on my cellphone for the info. Fool me once!

They are now caught in a LIE!!!! Looking forward to the spin on this one.

tawess

Talonsin said:

tawess said:

Talonsin said:

Daikuru said:

I couldnt care less. Seriously, it just a f***ing door.

And btw, i wonder why they build all these things when the game will never be released.

You dont care that several people at CIG have been caught in another lie concerning backer money?

Now just to be a arsehat.... Go ahead and prove that backer money paid for that door

LOL. 

I would say the only evidence I have that backer money paid for that door is the fact they tried to hide it when questioned about it.  If Chris or some backer decided to buy the door for them, why not say that?  Why lie and say it was just a regular door with a garage door opener that the staff installed?

So.....

Just click bait and sensationalism then. No hard facts... =P

That would be the classic DS MO. 


Now with that said i have no doubt that in some way or another backer money have gone in to that door... even if it is by the way of a payout on a investment or from the actual "sack of money'". I could also go on a tirade on "want the best, look the best" but i know that is wasted on the nay-side of the debate as this is a emotional debate and not a factual one. 

So yeah... they might have paid 20k for a door. Does not really impact me or in reality anyone else (apart from the lucky sods who get to work in a nice office) and in the grand scheme of things it is pocket change. 

Shodanas

Talonsin said:

Daikuru said:

Nice try making a mountain out of a molehole again.

And dont you think they already earned the money with their hard work? Even if the money is from other people and not "investors" or publishers?

Seems like you think they get money and do nothing for it.

 What the heck are you talking about?  What does your post have to do with CIG lying to their backers?

Prove us that the 20K, as DS claims, came from backers money.

With actual info and data please.

Talonsin

Daikuru said:

Talonsin said:

Daikuru said:

Nice try making a mountain out of a molehole again.

And dont you think they already earned the money with their hard work? Even if the money is from other people and not "investors" or publishers?

Seems like you think they get money and do nothing for it.

 What the heck are you talking about?  What does your post have to do with CIG lying to their backers?

You have to proof that it really was a lie and not a misinformation he got or a assumption he made.

Are you currently taking medication?  If you look at the picture, you can see where someone emailed CIG customer service and asked about the door and was told it was just a garage door opener.  If you follow the link you can see in two different videos FROM CIG that they address the door as being a simple garage door opener.  I dont understand how much more you need, If CIG lied about the door, they sure are not going to come out and say "we lied about the door". 

If you only believe what comes out of Chris' mouth then watch this video with links to lies Chris has told us.
https://youtu.be/POtzFnKiwHI

Its not the best quality but you can follow the links and verify Chris has said these things and then completely changed the story later.