Getting Ready for KickStarter

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Getting Ready for KickStarter

Yesterday at PAX we got the chance to speak with the Chronicles of Elyria team. The indie MMO had a booth at PAX just a few weeks before their Kickstarter goes live on May 3. The game was showing off its first combat build. The team explained their plans moving forward as they build out the team and the game for fans.

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MikePt

They better reveal tiers faster because there are 3 more mmo I want to buy .... and I might not have enough to get the kick starter tier when they give the game ....but in lower tier I'm not interested...

Slapshot1188

I like the sounds of the game but from what I have heard the tiers for the Kickstarter will be too high to succeed.

We will see. Maybe they will come to their senses in the next week.

Narendur1

Slapshot1188 said:

I like the sounds of the game but from what I have heard the tiers for the Kickstarter will be too high to succeed.



We will see. Maybe they will come to their senses in the next week.

What would you say is the problem, then? The base game too expensive? Or the fact that there are high tiers?

whilan

Narendur1 said:

Slapshot1188 said:

I like the sounds of the game but from what I have heard the tiers for the Kickstarter will be too high to succeed.



We will see. Maybe they will come to their senses in the next week.

What would you say is the problem, then? The base game too expensive? Or the fact that there are high tiers?

I mentioned in another thread that the two prices points they were looking at were 75 for the last phase, and 120 for access to an earlier phase of the game.  They haven't said these were set in stone yet.  The actual tiers and the price point hasn't been made public (as far as I know)

Edit: this is not to say these are all the tiers possible, just the two they talked about.

Wizbuiz

Support the game and get items? Its bullshit, it takes away the fun part to optain it and play the game on equal terms with other players, "advantage to the shopaholics. Make the game, if its good, then take my money. kickstarter is as dumb as valentines day.

Ikeda

Clearly they're going on with this plan... even though they had a whole other thread asking if you'd support the Kickstarter and it was almost unanimously a No vote.

Whatever.  

Make the game then sell the game.  That's how game development has worked for years.  I'm not "speculating" on games.  Especially since too many of them are trash... or they add "new" content that I didn't purchase later on making the game take even longer to hit shelves.

whilan

Ikeda said:

Clearly they're going on with this plan... even though they had a whole other thread asking if you'd support the Kickstarter and it was almost unanimously a No vote.

Whatever.  

Make the game then sell the game.  That's how game development has worked for years.  I'm not "speculating" on games.  Especially since too many of them are trash... or they add "new" content that I didn't purchase later on making the game take even longer to hit shelves.

Was that this thread? (thread) Cause that was by Maygus and unless he works for them i'm not sure if that counts as "they" as in the company. Plus if that was the thread, then it was actually 55% for and 42% (haha) against. Not really unanimously No, and more actually in favor of yes.

Assuming that's the thread you were talking about, if not, could you link the one you were referring to?

Wizardry

I like the game but do not and never will like all the new pay  scale options devs are going with.

There is no way in hell i can support a game that allows head starts based on $$$.If a developer cannot treat players as equals "in game" then i will not support it.If they want to give some stuff not related to in game then that's fine but no other option is acceptable.

As to how many would accept a KS i would HOPE MOST have enough common sense to realize that type of gimmick is NOT a good idea for the gaming market.Rich game developers should NEVER take advantage of naive...dumb people.

MikePt

I don't get why not just give the game for 40$ 50$ 60 $ tier in long run most supporters are in these tiers 1000 supporters that back with 50$ is more valuable than 1 golden child that founded 1000$ or 5000 or even 10000 if ever some one donates so much

Just kinda pre sale game in hope it will turn well and we will like at least I like the way they talk about project LOL

PropaPropa

System said:

Getting Ready for KickStarter

Yesterday at PAX we got the chance to speak with the Chronicles of Elyria team. The indie MMO had a booth at PAX just a few weeks before their Kickstarter goes live on May 3. The game was showing off its first combat build. The team explained their plans moving forward as they build out the team and the game for fans.

Read the full story here

wow looks great !

Pepeq

Kickstarters are great at getting people to part with their money... they however have the worst track record in actually delivering an end product.  It's like buying a mega-lottery ticket with the prize being the game... you have a 1:345,784,274 chance of winning.

Kickstarters are the pyramid scheme of this millennium.

Slapshot1188

Narendur1 said:

Slapshot1188 said:

I like the sounds of the game but from what I have heard the tiers for the Kickstarter will be too high to succeed.





We will see. Maybe they will come to their senses in the next week.

What would you say is the problem, then? The base game too expensive? Or the fact that there are high tiers?

The $75 tier is way too expensive for the base game with access to some Beta Weekend Events. The sweet spot is always going to be $50 because that's what most folks feel the going rate for a game is. Then you take that and throw lots of "goodies" to incentivize people to pre-purchase the game a year or more in advance.

Kickstarter's aren't exactly rocket science and there is plenty of history to draw from. If they expect you to pay $120+ for real beta access they will never get their target. I'm not going to debate the value of any tier as that is subjective. I am simply commenting from following and supporting dozens of these things.

ishist

Beyond the understanding of some of you, Kickstarter serves a purpose. From what I understand, This guy spent ALL of his own money building the game to this state. So going forward he can either offer it up to the Crowd for funding or he can sell its soul to a Publisher so they can gut it, turn it into another WoW, and turn everything in the game into a Microtransaction. I'm gonna throw them some money come May 3rd because I want to play this game.

Monetization-wise, they are selling Sparks of Life. Sparks of Life allow you to reincarnate a soul you have been playing, that died of old age. Dying of old age can take from over a year to as fast as a handful of months. The less you die, the longer it lasts. That gives a much better motivation to be smart and not just rush into every combat without thinking. Dying has a real sting to it, which is sorely needed in games these days.

ishist

Speaking of Kickstarter. I don't what kind of projects you people have been backing but of the 6 projects I've backed, 6 of them gave me an excellent game to play when they were finished. Which by my calculation gives Kickstarter a 100% success rate.

rodarin

Hate to say it but most games 'worth' playing are getting green lit on STEAM and selling early access to them. Crowd funding is sort of like the lay away plan.

You MIGHT get something playable but its unlikely to happen because expectation are generally raised.

Guys should just focus on making something worthy of a Steam EA greenlight and hope its good enough and makes enough that way to continue to develop.

Crowd funding is selling hope with no guarantees whatsoever. I know everyones likes to convince themselves and other that its a 'noble' approach but get real most of them are complete disasters. Peopl can cite the one or two 'success' stories all they want but in the end it wasnt even the crowdfunded money that got those games (eventually) made it was money from outside guys after they used crowd fund money to get it to a state where it was 'safe' enough to 'invest' some 'real' money into it.

These guys did try to get that 'investor' money first at least, but BECAUSE they didnt get it should raise some warning flags.

Concept of this game is obviously what people want, the 'gimmick' of growing old and dying isnt. So in the end a decent concept if simply introduced without gimmicks or basically a straightforward MMO it would be one to really look forward to. But basically this game seems to be outsmarting itself and anyone who might be willing to back it (other than the same fools who back every 'next big thing' game to come along because theyre so desperate for a game to call 'home'.

Slapshot1188

ishist said:

Speaking of Kickstarter. I don't what kind of projects you people have been backing but of the 6 projects I've backed, 6 of them gave me an excellent game to play when they were finished. Which by my calculation gives Kickstarter a 100% success rate.

Do I get to have an opinion now? (this doesn't even include increases after the Kickstarter or Star Citizen where I pledged direct).  Lots of people have way more Kickstarters than me.
 

Mikeha

Keeping an eye on this one.

Dahkoht

No issues with Kickstarters here , do your research and back ones that are well ran and have some history with whoever is doing it.

Wasteland 2 , Pillars of Eternity , Divinity Original Sin , etc I've all gotten because of KS. Well worth it. These games to me are better than 99.99% of the "AAA" shit that has been launched the past several years.

Now I'e got Camelot Unchained , Battletech , and Divinity Original Sin 2 on the way and backed also, and feel quite confident I'll have the same opinion of them also.

And if that's the thread above referring to a survey of who would back , a 55/45 split is not "unanimously against" in any dimension's math.

RPGMASTERGAMER

ishist said:

Beyond the understanding of some of you, Kickstarter serves a purpose. From what I understand, This guy spent ALL of his own money building the game to this state. So going forward he can either offer it up to the Crowd for funding or he can sell its soul to a Publisher so they can gut it, turn it into another WoW, and turn everything in the game into a Microtransaction. I'm gonna throw them some money come May 3rd because I want to play this game.



Monetization-wise, they are selling Sparks of Life. Sparks of Life allow you to reincarnate a soul you have been playing, that died of old age. Dying of old age can take from over a year to as fast as a handful of months. The less you die, the longer it lasts. That gives a much better motivation to be smart and not just rush into every combat without thinking. Dying has a real sting to it, which is sorely needed in games these days.

should i care these guys spend all the money building a games ?? should i care they dont have enough finish the game ? no, and that not my problem, they should have do a feasibility plan and a budget before start the game, and honestly your point dont stand, they can go to a bank to ask for money ( yeah they will pay it back with interrest ) but if they are so sure of this wonderfull game they will sucess.

in all others business field it work like that, and it was working like that in gaming too and guess what ? most games were better, because they needed good games for suceed, and they worked hard on it.

now what happen if these numbers 222000 get full of kickstarter cash ? they got the goal, the game will be worst for sure, in fact look at star citizen, you think they care about the games at this point?
they got the money the game would have give them IN ADVANCE, they have no rush, no pressure, they will releease a shit games for sure, just like these dev here..... probably.

kickstarter are a lazy way, free money, no interest scam system, very few games finish, dev got no obligation about anything usualy, they can keep these game in beta for years and nothing happen.

that pretty easy get lazy when you get your goal money in advance, before the job done, and no one can do anything if you dont do the job after !!!

go see a bank, if you dont have enough, im not paying any money for YOUR GAMES TO FINISH if you dont have enough, im not a charity.

Burntvet

At this point, it is foolish to "support" (read pre-purchase a non-existent) crowdfunded MMO.

But with the many failures in the crowdfunded MMO space, and the large capital requirements to make a non-crap MMO, there is no reason for the would be customers to take all the risks.

Make the game, and if it looks to be good, I'll buy.


Until then, get your financing from actual investors, and not by shilling pipe dreams to gamers.

whilan

Very strange thing going on here, suddenly now people are saying, go to the investors not us? When did this happen? I did a quick search of Kickstarter for a few of the more "popular" games, and nothing like this came up.  Is this just kickstarter fatigue or did Soulbound studios do something that is making people say this?

I'm seriously curious why this is suddenly being said that they have to get money from a publisher/invenstor when the other games were fine with doing kickstarter.

Archlyte

I will probably back this game, having said that, the record for MMORPG kickstarter projects speaks for itself. A bit of a lottery ticket. Don't buy the ticket instead of putting gas in your car, and don't think of it as anything but a gamble. 

Moguy3

Kickstarters get you in the game sooner. Gets you hating it sooner.. Get you posting on here how it sucks sooner.  Gooooo kickstarter!!

Abydos-CDD

This game is for me

Ozmodan

Waste of money for any investing in it.  The developer has grandiose ideas about the games design without a clue how he is going to implement such a complex design.  A small staff should never even attempt to take on a design like they have talked about in multiple threads here.  If you are so set on investing in a game, pick almost anything else and you will have a better chance.  It is almost a sure bet this game will never see the light of day.