And this is whats wrong with "tech review sites"

Malabooga

http://www.bitsandchips.it/9-hardware/7104-la-ventola-della-founder-edition-mette-in-cattiva-luce-la-gtx1080

"Nvidia Bribing the Tech Sites for showing Nvidia Favor is real.

" Below you will read what they think the reviewer Tom's Hardware US, Chris Angelini, the reference heat sink of Radeon R9 290x and GeForce 1080.

Review of R9 290x : " You're free to manually specify Certainly higher maximum fan speeds than the 40% I used, but it's pretty telling That even AMD's Uber mode stops at 55%. Again, we're dealing with a reference cooler That makes a lot of noise once it gets going . " In Quiet Mode the fan produces 45.2 decibels.

Review of the 1080 GTX : " It's a nice broad whooshing / airflow noise, and the fan's motor can never really be picked out. This is a lot better than the cheap axial fans That AMD used to put on its reference design s". The fan of GTX1080 produces 46.8 decibels.

According to Angelini, the 46,8db of GTX1080FE are less noisy of 45,2db of R9 290x."

Malabooga

Just to add, people are RMAing GTX1080FE (699$ one) because of poor cooler/fan as you can read in the article.

alkarionlog

i'm more impressed with people really caring about what random reviews says and even more for following then

Malabooga

alkarionlog said:

i'm more impressed with people really caring about what random reviews says and even more for following then

Its has a lot to do what they say - and what they dont say. Many review sites havent reported on poor cooler and that they have ramped up the fan to 80-100% to prevent throttling along with testing on an open bench which lowers temperatures considerably.

OTOH NVidia demonstrated same card at launch event running "OC 2114 MHz at 67 degrees" misleading people completely.

Cleffy

I think Tom's is shown to have nVidia bias. For instance, they beta driver nVidia new releases and WHQL certify AMD releases. If you look at older benchmarks, then benchmark the same cards today with beta drivers, the results often look quite different with some complete flip flops.
But the Tom's hardware community has rabid AMD fanboys.

FlyByKnight

Why go to Toms when we have @Quizzical here?

DarLorkar

Malabooga said:

http://www.bitsandchips.it/9-hardware/7104-la-ventola-della-founder-edition-mette-in-cattiva-luce-la-gtx1080

"Nvidia Bribing the Tech Sites for showing Nvidia Favor is real.

" Below you will read what they think the reviewer Tom's Hardware US, Chris Angelini, the reference heat sink of Radeon R9 290x and GeForce 1080.

Review of R9 290x : " You're free to manually specify Certainly higher maximum fan speeds than the 40% I used, but it's pretty telling That even AMD's Uber mode stops at 55%. Again, we're dealing with a reference cooler That makes a lot of noise once it gets going . " In Quiet Mode the fan produces 45.2 decibels.

Review of the 1080 GTX : " It's a nice broad whooshing / airflow noise, and the fan's motor can never really be picked out. This is a lot better than the cheap axial fans That AMD used to put on its reference design s". The fan of GTX1080 produces 46.8 decibels.

According to Angelini, the 46,8db of GTX1080FE are less noisy of 45,2db of R9 290x."

Where do you get the "bribery" from? 

Needed to translate the article... but i didn't see anything about bribery. 

Gazimoff

One thing I will say about the 1080 FE reviews, is that you can tell the benchmarks taken when the card is running from cold, compared to when the card has been running for five minutes. The thermal throttling issues have put me off buying the FE myself, and I'm now looking at doing a new build in a new case later in the year once the AIB cards have been fully evaluated.

Octagon7711

Which is why I'm always surprised when people say to wait for the new cards to come out.

Ridelynn

I understand shilling is bad - ok. And I've never really trusted Toms if I'm honest about it.

But really, if I read the article. The guy is saying it's loud in Uber mode, but the db reading he provides is from Quiet mode.

So I would assume it stands to reason that Uber mode would be something higher than that (although I admit, the author did a poor job of writing their article, they should have addressed that and published a number for reference).

So, I will take it on faith that Uber mode on a R290X may actually be somewhat louder than a 1080GTX, although he doesn't provide really enough data to make any kind of determination, other than his rather subjective analysis.

This doesn't really prove that Tom's Hardware US, Chris Angelini did anything wrong, other than write a couple of rather mediocre review articles.

I do like Anand and go to him for in-depth technical on hardware. I also like HardOCP (especially for PSU reviews) - Kyle and his crew can be opinionated at times, but they do a decent enough job of recognizing that and keeping it out of the "just the facts" part of the reviews.

Vrika

This is why you don't trust Malabooga:

AMD's noise level was 45.2 decibels on quiet mode. On 100% test the card reached 72.9 dB(A).
GeForce's noise level of 46.8 dB(A) was taken from their torture test.

Links to Tom's Hardware reviews
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-r9-290x-hawaii-review,3650-30.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-pascal,4572-11.html

Malabooga

And this is why you dont trust Vrika:

bith were taken from torture test and he doesnt have a clue what he talking about

DKLond

Ehm, he said it was loud for a QUIET mode.

Who knows what mode he's referring to for the Nvidia test.

Malabooga

He is referring to stock fan profile.

Ridelynn said:

I understand shilling is bad - ok. And I've never really trusted Toms if I'm honest about it.

But really, if I read the article. The guy is saying it's loud in Uber mode, but the db reading he provides is from Quiet mode.

So I would assume it stands to reason that Uber mode would be something higher than that (although I admit, the author did a poor job of writing their article, they should have addressed that and published a number for reference).

So, I will take it on faith that Uber mode on a R290X may actually be somewhat louder than a 1080GTX, although he doesn't provide really enough data to make any kind of determination, other than his rather subjective analysis.

This doesn't really prove that Tom's Hardware US, Chris Angelini did anything wrong, other than write a couple of rather mediocre review articles.

I do like Anand and go to him for in-depth technical on hardware. I also like HardOCP (especially for PSU reviews) - Kyle and his crew can be opinionated at times, but they do a decent enough job of recognizing that and keeping it out of the "just the facts" part of the reviews.

This is what he wrote about 290x 2 and a half years ago for 45.2 db

"Right upfront: the cooler's moderate stock setting and the GPU's high target temperature make for a relatively quiet card, so long as you don't mess with it. But make no mistake, this thing is in no way as good as the partner solutions that'll undoubtedly be gracing R9 290Xes soon."

And this is what he wrote about 1080FE for 46.8 db

"The 1080's acoustic profile is really pleasant. It’s a nice broad whooshing/airflow noise, and the fan’s motor can never really be picked out. This is a lot better than the cheap axial fans that AMD used to put on its reference designs (and that some partners still use). In comparison, the Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080’s noise is tolerable."

DKLond

Malabooga said:

He is referring to stock fan profile.

Source?

Malabooga

DKLond said:

Malabooga said:

He is referring to stock fan profile.

Source?

rofl are you dumb?

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-pascal,4572-11.html

DKLond

Malabooga said:

DKLond said:

Malabooga said:

He is referring to stock fan profile.

Source?

rofl are you dumb?

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-pascal,4572-11.html

Dumb? At least I can read:

During the torture test, noise rises to 46.8 dB(A). This is actually a nice result, seeing that it’s 3.2 dB(A) lower than the GeForce GTX 980.

I didn't ask for the entire article, I asked for the source of your claim - which you obviously can't provide, so you go the insult route.

Conclusively, you've provided false information and you've proven yourself unreliable and rude.

Congratulations.

Malabooga

You cant read, its what you actually demonstrated with above post lol

Lets take it a bit further, this is what he wrote as "bottom line"

"Bottom Line

The cooling solution’s not bad, but the GeForce GTX 1080 does take a performance hit when it runs into its thermal limit. We’re looking forward to the partners’ solutions, which we expect to both be quieter and provide better cooling."

And now theres mass RMAs because of poor cooler/fan. At least quite a few people are not going to take it. Theyve spent 700$ on GPU and are met with such unreliable and biased reviews.

Vrika/DKLond - people with hidden agenda spreading false information and supporting biased reviews, cant be trusted.

Example:

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/4mlfme/_/

"Trying The Witcher 3 at 4K with max settings had the cards reaching 92C (!) despite me only getting 40 FPS because the cards were throttling back to as low as 60% utilisation despite the fans being at 100% speed constantly and sounding like jet engines at a whopping 59 decibels one metre from the PC and may I remind you this is all with totally stock clocks, it is absolutely crazy."

thinktank001

I only consider semiaccurate to be a credible tech news site, but it requires a green hate filter.

Malabooga

Well, Anandtech (as long as you remember anad had some conenctions with Intel, and hes gone now)
Gamersnexus seem somewhat honest
Hardwareunboxed for testing as he definitely goes out of "bencmark guidelines" provided by companies and test various games of variosu types
Digital foundry is good as long as you keep in mind they test manually OCed NVidia cards against stock AMD cards.

Gdemami

FlyByKnight said:

Why go to Toms when we have @Quizzical here?

Because unlike Quizzical, Tom's base their articles on actual testing rather than pulling stuff out of their nose...

k61977

Anyone that relies on tech reviews to buy their parts is asking for what they got.  Never run out and buy the newest thing because this is what you get.  Wait and let others be the guinea pig, then talk to them and see.  Ask other customers what their experience has been personally.  This I gotta have the newest fastest thing is the probably the dumbest thing people can do.  Have self control and wait for second generation anything and you will be ten times better off with a cheaper model that is better than the release ones.

Hrimnir

I honestly haven't done tomshardware since when tom pabst actually ran things, they went severely downhill after that.  Admittedly the "charts" they do are useful.  However for accurate, unbiased information, anandtech is absolutely the site to go to.

JeroKane

Malabooga said:

He is referring to stock fan profile.

Ridelynn said:

I understand shilling is bad - ok. And I've never really trusted Toms if I'm honest about it.

But really, if I read the article. The guy is saying it's loud in Uber mode, but the db reading he provides is from Quiet mode.

So I would assume it stands to reason that Uber mode would be something higher than that (although I admit, the author did a poor job of writing their article, they should have addressed that and published a number for reference).

So, I will take it on faith that Uber mode on a R290X may actually be somewhat louder than a 1080GTX, although he doesn't provide really enough data to make any kind of determination, other than his rather subjective analysis.

This doesn't really prove that Tom's Hardware US, Chris Angelini did anything wrong, other than write a couple of rather mediocre review articles.

I do like Anand and go to him for in-depth technical on hardware. I also like HardOCP (especially for PSU reviews) - Kyle and his crew can be opinionated at times, but they do a decent enough job of recognizing that and keeping it out of the "just the facts" part of the reviews.

This is what he wrote about 290x 2 and a half years ago for 45.2 db

"Right upfront: the cooler's moderate stock setting and the GPU's high target temperature make for a relatively quiet card, so long as you don't mess with it. But make no mistake, this thing is in no way as good as the partner solutions that'll undoubtedly be gracing R9 290Xes soon."

And this is what he wrote about 1080FE for 46.8 db

"The 1080's acoustic profile is really pleasant. It’s a nice broad whooshing/airflow noise, and the fan’s motor can never really be picked out. This is a lot better than the cheap axial fans that AMD used to put on its reference designs (and that some partners still use). In comparison, the Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080’s noise is tolerable."

Amount of db isn't a sole metric to determine of something is loud!

The difference between 45,2 and 46,8 is neglible to the human ear.

What is more important, is the type of noise the fan makes, which he clearly states in this review.

You can have a better designed fan that produces 50 db of noise, but that sounds more pleasant to the ear and less intrusive.
On the other hand, you can have a crap fan that produces 40 db of noise, which is lower but incredibly irritating and more intrusive to listen to.

DKLond

JeroKane said:

Malabooga said:

He is referring to stock fan profile.

Ridelynn said:

I understand shilling is bad - ok. And I've never really trusted Toms if I'm honest about it.

But really, if I read the article. The guy is saying it's loud in Uber mode, but the db reading he provides is from Quiet mode.

So I would assume it stands to reason that Uber mode would be something higher than that (although I admit, the author did a poor job of writing their article, they should have addressed that and published a number for reference).

So, I will take it on faith that Uber mode on a R290X may actually be somewhat louder than a 1080GTX, although he doesn't provide really enough data to make any kind of determination, other than his rather subjective analysis.

This doesn't really prove that Tom's Hardware US, Chris Angelini did anything wrong, other than write a couple of rather mediocre review articles.

I do like Anand and go to him for in-depth technical on hardware. I also like HardOCP (especially for PSU reviews) - Kyle and his crew can be opinionated at times, but they do a decent enough job of recognizing that and keeping it out of the "just the facts" part of the reviews.

This is what he wrote about 290x 2 and a half years ago for 45.2 db

"Right upfront: the cooler's moderate stock setting and the GPU's high target temperature make for a relatively quiet card, so long as you don't mess with it. But make no mistake, this thing is in no way as good as the partner solutions that'll undoubtedly be gracing R9 290Xes soon."

And this is what he wrote about 1080FE for 46.8 db

"The 1080's acoustic profile is really pleasant. It’s a nice broad whooshing/airflow noise, and the fan’s motor can never really be picked out. This is a lot better than the cheap axial fans that AMD used to put on its reference designs (and that some partners still use). In comparison, the Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080’s noise is tolerable."

Amount of db isn't a sole metric to determine of something is loud!

The difference between 45,2 and 46,8 is neglible to the human ear.

What is more important, is the type of noise the fan makes, which he clearly states in this review.

You can have a better designed fan that produces 50 db of noise, but that sounds more pleasant to the ear and less intrusive.
On the other hand, you can have a crap fan that produces 40 db of noise, which is lower but incredibly irritating and more intrusive to listen to.

As I pointed out, the 46,8 was during a torture test.

Again, the entire premise of this paranoid criticism has been completely invalidated.

wanderica

k61977 said:

Anyone that relies on tech reviews to buy their parts is asking for what they got.  Never run out and buy the newest thing because this is what you get.  Wait and let others be the guinea pig, then talk to them and see.  Ask other customers what their experience has been personally.  This I gotta have the newest fastest thing is the probably the dumbest thing people can do.  Have self control and wait for second generation anything and you will be ten times better off with a cheaper model that is better than the release ones.

As long as you take what you read with a grain of salt, you can generally get good info from tech reviews from most sites.  Some are NVidia bias, and some are AMD bias.  I won't tinfoil up and call any of them shills, but bias does happen in this industry.  Take the review in question, for example.  One thing the OP left out is that Tom's did comment on the throttling and the fact that his OC wasn't close to the OC NVidia demoed.  I find the idea of asking my buddy how he likes his new card a poor replacement for taking actual data presented by professional reviewers, and making an informed purchase.