More Free VR - You can even get one yourself (maybe)

maskedweasel

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/tek-gear-releases-first-free-200513687.html

Operating under the assumption that your smartphone ought to be the most expensive component of your VR system, Tek Gear is now offering anyone a free HMD headset at FreeHMD.com While you will have to cover the cost of shipping and handling on your own, everything else is completely free. This, the company says, will help “keep growing the VR user base.”

Seems like it may only be available in Canada but you can try it if you want.

Seems like there are a lot of free headsets going out these days... I think further pushing the notion that the reason VR hasn't taken off like analysts expected was due to costs.  

Lets see if this helps at all.

SEANMCAD

Well given that a phone app that use GPS and a camera with a graphic overlay is considered 'AR' I see no reason to spend $3000 for a Hololense however I perfer my Rift CV1 and I doubt a phone could have the same quality experience much like how i assume my gaming desktop PC actually has a better gaming experience for me then a tablet.

maskedweasel

SEANMCAD said:

Well given that a phone app that use GPS and a camera with a graphic overlay is considered 'AR' I see no reason to spend $3000 for a Hololense however I perfer my Rift CV1 and I doubt a phone could have the same quality experience much like how i assume my gaming desktop PC actually has a better gaming experience for me then a tablet.

Nobody is spending 3000 on a hololens, it's for developers only, Microsoft has to approve purchase of every Hololens that goes out... so even if you wanted one you wouldn't get one.

And again, VR will require a larger adoption base than you or even people like you.  Companies won't stand behind entertainment technology that isn't profitable.  They're trying hard just to make VR popular in any sense, even if it's just giving it away in some form or another.

You don't have to like it,  it doesn't change what they're doing.

SEANMCAD

maskedweasel said:

SEANMCAD said:

Well given that a phone app that use GPS and a camera with a graphic overlay is considered 'AR' I see no reason to spend $3000 for a Hololense however I perfer my Rift CV1 and I doubt a phone could have the same quality experience much like how i assume my gaming desktop PC actually has a better gaming experience for me then a tablet.

Nobody is spending 3000 on a hololens, it's for developers only, Microsoft has to approve purchase of every Hololens that goes out... so even if you wanted one you wouldn't get one.
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I think you kinda missed the underlining point there.

 besides, AAA game running 4K on a 24 inch monitor vs LCD printout of the time in my car is the same thing right?

 anyway, joking aside. I am going with the concept that there are degrees here: like a deep freeze is not an ice chest but both are for keeping things cool, VR on a phone with a carboard is not the same as VR headset costing $600 attached to a $1500 computer a running display of a video game is not the same as an LCD clock display in black and white, that a phone with a camera is not really AR as much as hololense is. etc

maskedweasel

SEANMCAD said:

maskedweasel said:

SEANMCAD said:

Well given that a phone app that use GPS and a camera with a graphic overlay is considered 'AR' I see no reason to spend $3000 for a Hololense however I perfer my Rift CV1 and I doubt a phone could have the same quality experience much like how i assume my gaming desktop PC actually has a better gaming experience for me then a tablet.

Nobody is spending 3000 on a hololens, it's for developers only, Microsoft has to approve purchase of every Hololens that goes out... so even if you wanted one you wouldn't get one.
....

I think you kinda missed the underlining point there.

 besides, AAA game running 4K on a 24 inch monitor vs LCD printout of the time in my car is the same thing right?

 anyway, joking aside. I am going with the concept that there are degrees here: like a deep freeze is not an ice chest but both are for keeping things cool, VR on a phone with a carboard is not the same as VR headset costing $600 attached to a $1500 computer a running display of a video game is not the same as an LCD clock display in black and white, that a phone with a camera is not really AR as much as hololense is. etc

It's not the same,  but its' pretty close in regards to VR.

Phone AR isn't like Hololens, because not much is like hololens.  

While you can use phones for AR, you can't make phone AR into a headset.  You can make phone VR work similarly to PC VR though.  And most of the Oculus store applications run on phone VR at this point too.  Quality aside (which, you can still see pixels either way) content is very similar, as is interactivity.  You still need to use controllers.

SEANMCAD

maskedweasel said:

SEANMCAD said:

maskedweasel said:

SEANMCAD said:

Well given that a phone app that use GPS and a camera with a graphic overlay is considered 'AR' I see no reason to spend $3000 for a Hololense however I perfer my Rift CV1 and I doubt a phone could have the same quality experience much like how i assume my gaming desktop PC actually has a better gaming experience for me then a tablet.

Nobody is spending 3000 on a hololens, it's for developers only, Microsoft has to approve purchase of every Hololens that goes out... so even if you wanted one you wouldn't get one.
....

I think you kinda missed the underlining point there.

 besides, AAA game running 4K on a 24 inch monitor vs LCD printout of the time in my car is the same thing right?

 anyway, joking aside. I am going with the concept that there are degrees here: like a deep freeze is not an ice chest but both are for keeping things cool, VR on a phone with a carboard is not the same as VR headset costing $600 attached to a $1500 computer a running display of a video game is not the same as an LCD clock display in black and white, that a phone with a camera is not really AR as much as hololense is. etc

It's not the same,  but its' pretty close in regards to VR.

Phone AR isn't like Hololens, because not much is like hololens.  

While you can use phones for AR, you can't make phone AR into a headset.  You can make phone VR work similarly to PC VR though.  And most of the Oculus store applications run on phone VR at this point too.  Quality aside (which, you can still see pixels either way) content is very similar, as is interactivity.  You still need to use controllers.

sorry I am not saying this to be rude but I really dont understand what you are saying or how it applies to my core point.

Regardless, I am very happy with my Oculus purchase and I have very glad I didnt just settle for GearVR as my VR gaming/entertainment solution, the experiences I am getting using the Rift is very awesome adn I am 99.9999% positive that Gear VR could not match it. In fact, I dont think even HTC Vive could match it in some key areas

maskedweasel

SEANMCAD said:

maskedweasel said:

SEANMCAD said:

maskedweasel said:

SEANMCAD said:

Well given that a phone app that use GPS and a camera with a graphic overlay is considered 'AR' I see no reason to spend $3000 for a Hololense however I perfer my Rift CV1 and I doubt a phone could have the same quality experience much like how i assume my gaming desktop PC actually has a better gaming experience for me then a tablet.

Nobody is spending 3000 on a hololens, it's for developers only, Microsoft has to approve purchase of every Hololens that goes out... so even if you wanted one you wouldn't get one.
....

I think you kinda missed the underlining point there.

 besides, AAA game running 4K on a 24 inch monitor vs LCD printout of the time in my car is the same thing right?

 anyway, joking aside. I am going with the concept that there are degrees here: like a deep freeze is not an ice chest but both are for keeping things cool, VR on a phone with a carboard is not the same as VR headset costing $600 attached to a $1500 computer a running display of a video game is not the same as an LCD clock display in black and white, that a phone with a camera is not really AR as much as hololense is. etc

It's not the same,  but its' pretty close in regards to VR.

Phone AR isn't like Hololens, because not much is like hololens.  

While you can use phones for AR, you can't make phone AR into a headset.  You can make phone VR work similarly to PC VR though.  And most of the Oculus store applications run on phone VR at this point too.  Quality aside (which, you can still see pixels either way) content is very similar, as is interactivity.  You still need to use controllers.

sorry I am not saying this to be rude but I really dont understand what you are saying or how it applies to my core point.

Regardless, I am very happy with my Oculus purchase and I have very glad I didnt just settle for GearVR as my VR gaming/entertainment solution, the experiences I am getting using the Rift is very awesome adn I am 99.9999% positive that Gear VR could not match it. In fact, I dont think even HTC Vive could match it in some key areas

Well seeing as how you haven't tried the Vive (and I have)  it sounds like you're a little biased because that is what you purchased.

Gear VR will give you the same experiences (depending on your phone and application)  but there will be some things that Gear VR can't do, (the list is pretty short right now as there is very little high end content for the Rift).

My point is...  Gear VR is 85% the Rift.    Hololens is closer to a PC than it is a Cell Phone.  You made the comparison the Cell Phones AR isn't what Hololens is.. that's true,  because Hololens overlays on the real environment instead of a pixelated camera image of the environment.

But VR in both Cell phone and PC counterparts work the same way.

SEANMCAD

maskedweasel said:

Well seeing as how you haven't tried the Vive (and I have)  it sounds like you're a little biased because that is what you purchased.

Gear VR will give you the same experiences (depending on your phone and application)  but there will be some things that Gear VR can't do, (the list is pretty short right now as there is very little high end content for the Rift).

My point is...  Gear VR is 85% the Rift.    Hololens is closer to a PC than it is a Cell Phone.  You made the comparison the Cell Phones AR isn't what Hololens is.. that's true,  because Hololens overlays on the real environment instead of a pixelated camera image of the environment.

But VR in both Cell phone and PC counterparts work the same way.

1. I am 99.999999% the Gear VR will not give me the same quality of experience as the Rift will or the Vive for that matter.

2. I base what I said given I have validated for myself what was said in this video regarding image quality


3. My core point is that an ice chest is not 85% of a deep freezer nor is the Gear VR 85% of a Rift or Vive

maskedweasel

SEANMCAD said:

maskedweasel said:

Well seeing as how you haven't tried the Vive (and I have)  it sounds like you're a little biased because that is what you purchased.

Gear VR will give you the same experiences (depending on your phone and application)  but there will be some things that Gear VR can't do, (the list is pretty short right now as there is very little high end content for the Rift).

My point is...  Gear VR is 85% the Rift.    Hololens is closer to a PC than it is a Cell Phone.  You made the comparison the Cell Phones AR isn't what Hololens is.. that's true,  because Hololens overlays on the real environment instead of a pixelated camera image of the environment.

But VR in both Cell phone and PC counterparts work the same way.

1. I am 99.999999% the Gear VR will not give me the same quality of experience as the Rift will or the Vive for that matter.

2. I base what I said given I have validated for myself what was said in this video regarding image quality


3. My core point is that an ice chest is not 85% of a deep freezer nor is the Gear VR 85% of a Rift or Vive

Nice that you found a video, but I could equally post several (and have in the past) stating how the Vive excels over the Rift,  but I digress.  

The core point that you should be making is software,  and if the software runs on both systems, that is what should concern you more than "O GEE GOLLY THE RESOLUTION IS SO NIFTY"  because resolution isn't going to matter in 2 years as cell phones are already starting to release in 4K....

It's all about content, and you can do most of what the Rift can do on a Cell Phone.  Image quality aside, (which will be a non issue within the next generation of cellphones)  you should be more concerned about getting real content that requires that fancy computer you bought.


Meanwhile people can try and get this headset for free.. or one of Samsungs as there are still outlets out there where you can get Gear VR for free if they feel like "price" is what's stopping them from getting into VR.

But I'm starting to feel that isn't the case.

SEANMCAD

maskedweasel said:

1. please post a video in  which the video mentions that the video quality of the Vive is better. I said what I said SPECIFICALLY because of video quality which as it turns out makes more of a difference then I thought it would when coming to long term play or watching a movie which is what I was primarly thinking about. Gimping that could very well have trumped my video watching use completely. (Added: said video can not comparing to the Dev kit versions, please dont do that)

2. I am 99.9999999% positive that the Gear VR is not 85% of the Oculus Rift because of the hardware differences.

3. I think having a powerful desktop gaming PC DOES make a difference and for what I look for in a game its considerably significate and clearly the market agrees with me otherwise there would not be 'gamer PCs' in the first place. For the same reasons I believe very strongly that if you are looking for the same quality of VR experience as a Rift and look for it in a Gear VR you will be missing out BIG time. I am 99.99999% convinced of that. all I have to do to confirm it is try a Gear VR at a local store.

4. its kind of hard to say 'gear vr is 85% of a Rift' and then at the same time say 'HTC Vive is better than a Rift'. So does that mean an HTC Vive is only marginally better than a Gear VR?

Nephaerius

The Gear VR is a pale imitation of the Rift or the Vive best suited to watching Hulu, Netflix, and the like. It also overheats like a mother fucker in recent history. This is coming from a Gear VR owner. Not disappointed in my purchase, it's what I expected, but I'm not going to pretend it's any better than what it is.

The screen resolution has nothing to do with this either. The issue is the power of the PC pushing the graphics. Cell phone vs. PC. The PC is more powerful and is therefore going to always provide a better experience. While one day your cell phone and PC might be interchangeable that day is not here yet. The Surface Phone with 4GB of RAM is not even due out until next year and that's the closest we're getting to a mobile phone PC in the near future.

Additionally, overheating is a huge issue with small devices. If you think a laptop with a discrete graphics card gets hot have your cell phone do VR gaming for a while. It's equivalent or higher in temp.

TLDR: VR on your phone has light years to travel before it should be compared to PC VR in the same sentence.

maskedweasel

SEANMCAD said:

maskedweasel said:

SEANMCAD said:

maskedweasel said:

Well seeing as how you haven't tried the Vive (and I have)  it sounds like you're a little biased because that is what you purchased.

Gear VR will give you the same experiences (depending on your phone and application)  but there will be some things that Gear VR can't do, (the list is pretty short right now as there is very little high end content for the Rift).

My point is...  Gear VR is 85% the Rift.    Hololens is closer to a PC than it is a Cell Phone.  You made the comparison the Cell Phones AR isn't what Hololens is.. that's true,  because Hololens overlays on the real environment instead of a pixelated camera image of the environment.

But VR in both Cell phone and PC counterparts work the same way.

1. I am 99.999999% the Gear VR will not give me the same quality of experience as the Rift will or the Vive for that matter.

2. I base what I said given I have validated for myself what was said in this video regarding image quality


3. My core point is that an ice chest is not 85% of a deep freezer nor is the Gear VR 85% of a Rift or Vive

Nice that you found a video, but I could equally post several (and have in the past) stating how the Vive excels over the Rift,  but I digress.  

The core point that you should be making is software,  and if the software runs on both systems, that is what should concern you more than "O GEE GOLLY THE RESOLUTION IS SO NIFTY"  because resolution isn't going to matter in 2 years as cell phones are already starting to release in 4K....

It's all about content, and you can do most of what the Rift can do on a Cell Phone.  Image quality aside, (which will be a non issue within the next generation of cellphones)  you should be more concerned about getting real content that requires that fancy computer you bought.


Meanwhile people can try and get this headset for free.. or one of Samsungs as there are still outlets out there where you can get Gear VR for free if they feel like "price" is what's stopping them from getting into VR.

But I'm starting to feel that isn't the case.

1. please post a video in  which the video mentions that the video quality of the Vive is better. I said what I said SPECIFICALLY because of video quality which as it turns out makes more of a difference then I thought it would when coming to long term play or watching a movie which is what I was primarly thinking about. Gimping that could very well have trumped my video watching use completely.

2. I am 99.9999999% positive that the Gear VR is not 85% of the Oculus Rift because of the hardware differences.

3. I think having a powerful desktop gaming PC DOES make a difference and for what I look for in a game its considerably significate and clearly the market agrees with me otherwise there would not be 'gamer PCs' in the first place. For the same reasons I believe very strongly that if you are looking for the same quality of VR experience as a Rift and look for it in a Gear VR you will be missing out BIG time. I am 99.99999% convinced of that. all I have to do to confirm it is try a Gear VR at a local store.

4. its kind of hard to say 'gear vr is 85% of a Rift' and then at the same time say 'HTC Vive is better than a Rift'. So does that mean an HTC Vive is only marginally better than a Gear VR?

He states at the end that the Vive is currently the better product.. and he's right.  Not to mention they do have the same resolution.

you can be as 99.999 percent sure as you want that doesn't mean you're right.. and if people are spending less than half of what you just spend to play the same games..  what few and horrible games they are...  I don't think you should be bragging much about how "AMAZING" these games are in VR...   

I'll have my new phone next month, it's supposed to have even better improved VR functionality and a new Gear VR set.. lets see what happens then.

But again... you're always talking about you.. and you... don't count.  The set could be absolute trash and you'd still sing praises of it. That's just how you are.  If you tried gear VR and decided that you didn't like the picture quality (even if it was 4K at similar resolutions)  you'd still say your PC was better.. always always.

HTC Vive is better than gear VR simply because it has controllers and room sensors, and a pass through camera... the Rift doesn't...  You can use the XB1 controller , PS4 controller and Wii controllers on cell phones....  You can't use the Vive controllers I'd imagine.. at least not now. 

Phaserlight

Furthermore, this is just a reskinned Cardboard.  From the article: "Currently, you can use three major apps with the FreeHMD — the Cardboard App, the YouTube VR app, and the Cardboard Camera that transforms your smartphone into a VR camera, which lets you create your own virtual reality experience."

In the comments, Bear Grylls notes "So... It's a more durable version of Google Cardboard. Interesting, but ultimately not what I need."

Neat that the company, which has apparently been around for a while, believes in VR enough to want to get this in everyone's hands for free.  I wonder if the OP even reads the articles he links to.  Otherwise, this is just another domino in OP's lame series of attempts to troll the technology.

Don't feed it / troll line
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maskedweasel

Nephaerius said:

The Gear VR is a pale imitation of the Rift or the Vive best suited to watching Hulu, Netflix, and the like. It also overheats like a mother fucker in recent history. This is coming from a Gear VR owner. Not disappointed in my purchase, it's what I expected, but I'm not going to pretend it's any better than what it is.

The screen resolution has nothing to do with this either. The issue is the power of the PC pushing the graphics. Cell phone vs. PC. The PC is more powerful and is therefore going to always provide a better experience. While one day your cell phone and PC might be interchangeable that day is not here yet. The Surface Phone with 4GB of RAM is not even due out until next year and that's the closest we're getting to a mobile phone PC in the near future.

Additionally, overheating is a huge issue with small devices. If you think a laptop with a discrete graphics card gets hot have your cell phone do VR gaming for a while. It's equivalent or higher in temp.

TLDR: VR on your phone has light years to travel before it should be compared to PC VR in the same sentence.

...Gear VR overheats?  What phone are you using?   I've used the S7 for my gear VR.. never had an overheating issue...  the phone gets a little hot sometimes, but it doesn't "overheat"  I've had it get hotter playing Pokemon Go in the sun than watching Oculus.. "experiences" 

SEANMCAD

maskedweasel said:

He states at the end that the Vive is currently the better product.. and he's right.  Not to mention they do have the same resolution.

you can be as 99.999 percent sure as you want that doesn't mean you're right.. and if people are spending less than half of what you just spend to play the same games..  what few and horrible games they are...  I don't think you should be bragging much about how "AMAZING" these games are in VR...   

I'll have my new phone next month, it's supposed to have even better improved VR functionality and a new Gear VR set.. lets see what happens then.

But again... you're always talking about you.. and you... don't count.  The set could be absolute trash and you'd still sing praises of it. That's just how you are.  If you tried gear VR and decided that you didn't like the picture quality (even if it was 4K at similar resolutions)  you'd still say your PC was better.. always always.

HTC Vive is better than gear VR simply because it has controllers and room sensors, and a pass through camera... the Rift doesn't...  You can use the XB1 controller , PS4 controller and Wii controllers on cell phones....  You can't use the Vive controllers I'd imagine.. at least not now. 

again I want to be extreemly clear here

I am ONLY talking about RESOLUTION. The reason I said what I said was SPECIFICALLY because of resolution. The screen door effect was a concern because I have expereinced it before thus it was 'in some areas' (as I had said the first time) related to RESOLUTION.
I am not concerned about 'over all' and

to be frank I agree that Vive IS BETTER 'overall'

and for most users but the reason I said 'in some areas' is because for me sitting and watching a movie for several hours the screen door effect is important.

also the reaction time is better on the Rift which is also important to be personally but again I think overall the better buy is the Vive

maskedweasel

SEANMCAD said:

maskedweasel said:

He states at the end that the Vive is currently the better product.. and he's right.  Not to mention they do have the same resolution.

you can be as 99.999 percent sure as you want that doesn't mean you're right.. and if people are spending less than half of what you just spend to play the same games..  what few and horrible games they are...  I don't think you should be bragging much about how "AMAZING" these games are in VR...   

I'll have my new phone next month, it's supposed to have even better improved VR functionality and a new Gear VR set.. lets see what happens then.

But again... you're always talking about you.. and you... don't count.  The set could be absolute trash and you'd still sing praises of it. That's just how you are.  If you tried gear VR and decided that you didn't like the picture quality (even if it was 4K at similar resolutions)  you'd still say your PC was better.. always always.

HTC Vive is better than gear VR simply because it has controllers and room sensors, and a pass through camera... the Rift doesn't...  You can use the XB1 controller , PS4 controller and Wii controllers on cell phones....  You can't use the Vive controllers I'd imagine.. at least not now. 

again I want to be extreemly clear here

I am ONLY talking about RESOLUTION. The reason I said what I said was SPECIFICALLY because of resolution. The screen door effect was a concern because I have expereinced it before thus it was 'in some areas' (as I had said the first time) related to RESOLUTION.

I am not concerned about 'over all' and to be frank I agree that Vive IS BETTER 'overall' and for most users but the reason I said 'in some areas' is because for me sitting and watching a movie for several hours the screen door effect is important.

Hate when it removes my posts after i spend time typing them. Basically I stated here that yes, if you're talking about resolution only, Rift will beat a current gen cell phone. Not the Vive though, they have the same resolution.

maskedweasel

Phaserlight said:

Furthermore, this is just a reskinned Cardboard.  From the article: "Currently, you can use three major apps with the FreeHMD — the Cardboard App, the YouTube VR app, and the Cardboard Camera that transforms your smartphone into a VR camera, which lets you create your own virtual reality experience."

In the comments, Bear Grylls notes "So... It's a more durable version of Google Cardboard. Interesting, but ultimately not what I need."

Neat that the company, which has apparently been around for a while, believes in VR enough to want to get this in everyone's hands for free.  I wonder if the OP even reads the articles he links to.  Otherwise, this is just another domino in OP's lame series of attempts to troll the technology.

Don't feed it / troll line
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Obviously I read it or else I wouldn't have posted excerpts from it. Don't know how the comment changes anything about what I posted either... pretty sure my points still stand.

SEANMCAD

mmorpg your forums are not working all the time

SEANMCAD

maskedweasel said:

Phaserlight said:

Furthermore, this is just a reskinned Cardboard.  From the article: "Currently, you can use three major apps with the FreeHMD — the Cardboard App, the YouTube VR app, and the Cardboard Camera that transforms your smartphone into a VR camera, which lets you create your own virtual reality experience."

In the comments, Bear Grylls notes "So... It's a more durable version of Google Cardboard. Interesting, but ultimately not what I need."

Neat that the company, which has apparently been around for a while, believes in VR enough to want to get this in everyone's hands for free.  I wonder if the OP even reads the articles he links to.  Otherwise, this is just another domino in OP's lame series of attempts to troll the technology.

Don't feed it / troll line
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Obviously I read it or else I wouldn't have posted excerpts from it. Don't know how the comment changes anything about what I posted either... pretty sure my points still stand.

Leading with 'Vive is better overall'
 when i said
'better in some ways'

 is rather inappropriate. The reasons I said in some ways is because the screen door effect is important to me given I plan to use it for long term use and for movie watching. this, to me, is more important than I would think it would be for the average user. I assumed the reason for the screen door improvement is because of resolution, perhaps the reason is incorrect however the material obective is still the same, which has less of a screen door effect? Oculus does. I would like to get into a debate over the differences between the two and also get your perpective on how that correlates with Gear VR being '85% of a Rift' in hardware I do have an OP titles Vive vs Oculus in Hardware if you respond to that I might jump in

maskedweasel

SEANMCAD said:

mmorpg your forums are not working all the time

Finally something we can agree on.

Phry

Gear VR is handy for watching movies while your travelling as a passenger etc. for gaming you need something better than a smartphone powered device, which inevitably means either a Vive or an OR, with the possibility of the PSVR at some later date, though tbh, given how expensive the smartphones tend to be that are necessary for Gear VR to work adequately, not to mention the whole issue of having a device that uses microwave radiation that close to your head for long periods of time, and, its hard to see how the cons don't seriously outweigh the pro's in that argument.

tawess

honestly arguing who is the best between the Vive and OR is a bit like having the budget for a Dacia but arguing that a Ferrari trumps a Lamborghini. You can make a point but you still ain´t going to drive one. 

Because the average consumer will never ever own either... They will otoh own a gearVR because everyone and their grandma have been bundling them with new phones...old phones.... heck i am pretty sure the men and women of the night do a "have service X and get a free gearVR"

Now as someone mentioned this new doohickey is about as good as the one McDonalds is offering. A beefed up Cardboard... In short... Pretty useless. It will not really start any revolution as anyone interested have a gearVR and the rest will not care if it is free or if they pay 10$ for it. 

But it will do more for the consumer market than either OR or the vive. 

Now OR and Vive gen 2 and 3... now those will blow the doors open. 

maskedweasel

tawess said:

Now OR and Vive gen 2 and 3... now those will blow the doors open. 

Agree with most of this except for the quoted line.  We have no idea what gen 2 or 3 would look like or how long it will be before we see them.

We equally don't know what the costs would be.  While I don't doubt they'll try to bring costs down and make the sets more mobile,  we really can't say for sure,  and as other headsets are looking to enter the market next year, who knows which set, if any, will really get these devices to mainstream adoption.

SEANMCAD

tawess said:

honestly arguing who is the best between the Vive and OR is a bit like having the budget for a Dacia but arguing that a Ferrari trumps a Lamborghini. You can make a point but you still ain´t going to drive one. 

Because the average consumer will never ever own either... They will otoh own a gearVR because everyone and their grandma have been bundling them with new phones...old phones.... heck i am pretty sure the men and women of the night do a "have service X and get a free gearVR"

Now as someone mentioned this new doohickey is about as good as the one McDonalds is offering. A beefed up Cardboard... In short... Pretty useless. It will not really start any revolution as anyone interested have a gearVR and the rest will not care if it is free or if they pay 10$ for it. 

But it will do more for the consumer market than either OR or the vive. 

Now OR and Vive gen 2 and 3... now those will blow the doors open. 

The debate is more detailed as such:

A bicycle is 85% of a Ferrari but is a Lamborghini better? not sure lets debate.

I think debates of Vive to Rift are funny not because of the expensive because I am rich B! but because well..its funny

observer

Oh, look, another thread trying to discredit VR.  As i've posted before, VR headsets for phones are inferior to headsets such as Vive and Rift.  People don't want Google Cardboard, because it's crap.

You're better off getting an OSVR headset.

maskedweasel

observer said:

Oh, look, another thread trying to discredit VR.  As i've posted before, VR headsets for phones are inferior to headsets such as Vive and Rift.  People don't want Google Cardboard, because it's crap.

You're better off getting an OSVR headset.

Actually this was a thread trying to help VR... I don't have to try hard to discredit it.. it's doing poorly all on its own.  I have a Gear VR set, I figured others might want a free set too.