There have been numerous studies that have tried to link violence etc. in computer games and for that matter on television, with violence in real life, a causational link has never been found. What has been found, is that people who have a propensity for violence will often use such media as an outlet. It does not however encourage a propensity for violence regardless of what some would try to infer. Of course there is an issue with bad parenting where parents allow their children to access content that is not suitable for their age group, but thats another issue entirely.
Thats what this study is about. Giving kids time to grow up before you introduce them to types of media. Watching for what their tendencies lean to and if its natural for them to be violent. Deal with that before you introduce that media type to the kid. It points out that if you bring violent media to a kids mind before you watch what their behavior type is. You would have a harder time fixing violent tendencies.
Nothing was more violent than Bugs Bunny, Road Runner, and the Looney Tunes Gang......Fact is governments kill more people than anyone. Governments are more violent than anyone. Parents are responsible for guiding their children. Teach then respect and compassion, what is real and what is not, the rest works out in the wash...
There have been numerous studies that have tried to link violence etc. in computer games and for that matter on television, with violence in real life, a causational link has never been found. What has been found, is that people who have a propensity for violence will often use such media as an outlet. It does not however encourage a propensity for violence regardless of what some would try to infer. Of course there is an issue with bad parenting where parents allow their children to access content that is not suitable for their age group, but thats another issue entirely.
Thats what this study is about. Giving kids time to grow up before you introduce them to types of media. Watching for what their tendencies lean to and if its natural for them to be violent. Deal with that before you introduce that media type to the kid. It points out that if you bring violent media to a kids mind before you watch what their behavior type is. You would have a harder time fixing violent tendencies.
I can imagine that the people doing it are relatively well meaning, but also objectively biased in their viewpoints. Its been done before adnauseum tbh, i wouldn't put much faith in their results as they tend to overly inflate them to suit. In most of those cases you have have to look at who is doing the research, who have they represented in the past, what affiliations they have, and basically follow the money. To say that there is a certain degree of corruption in a number of these 'researches' would be an understatement.
Nothing was more violent than Bugs Bunny, Road Runner, and the Looney Tunes Gang......Fact is governments kill more people than anyone. Governments are more violent than anyone. Parents are responsible for guiding their children. Teach then respect and compassion, what is real and what is not, the rest works out in the wash...
We had violence before video games, before TV, before hard rock music, humans can be inherently violent. There is no way to explain a psychopath other than a hate in their heart.
On the contrary Psychopathy is a very well understood personality disorder.
It has nothing to do with "hatred in their heart", and everything to do with lack of empathy, remorse and persistent behavior involving disregard and hurting others.
I think the problem lies when it becomes too much life like. A game like Contra was violent and involved shooting things with guns. But when you compare that with GTAV on how and why they are killing people. It just does something negative to a child's mind. A child playing with figures of army men blowing things up with tanks is all in his mind. But when its reality in front of them blowing up hospitals and watching people bleed out on the streets. Then the child is enjoying this content and playing it more and more. Might explain how and why these same children have so many mental disorders. Today's society has more mental disorders then all other societies combined. I strongly believe it is because they have enjoyed being entertained with such content.
A 10 year old child can watch his village slaughtered by gorrillas and even told his 6 year old brother not to move and watched him run out in the street to be killed. That 10 year old boy is living reality of what our 10 year old children laugh at for entertainment. Yet it is our children who cannot stay out of mental hospitals and the children of war are normal members of society.
As to your first paragraph, yes you should provide your child with age appropriate violence. For example, cartoon violence is probably fine for a child while an adult horror movie most likely is not. This goes without saying regardless of the medium. However, research does not suggest any long term increase in violent behaviors even in these cases of exposure to fictional violence.
The children of war aren't in mental hospitals because their country is at war. The vast majority of children in America never even come close to the inside of a mental hospital. I'm a therapist and even among my patient population the majority aren't going into mental hospitals.
You're using a lot of common sense arguments that are not backed up by science.
You are a therapist and the reason you even exist is because children in our culture have been enjoying stuff that the human mind should never enjoy. Kick a dog enough and eventually you start laughing when you do it. 90% of the people who get therapy shouldn't even need it. Our entire society is drugged up on mental medicines and why or how did this happen to a society that has never seen the threat of war? Its because they watch and enjoy some twisted stuff and it has had such a negative impact on their minds that the only way to live with it is to take sleeping pills, muscle relaxers, and anything a mental doctor will give them. I'm not accusing you personally sorry if that sounds that way. But the entire field of psychology has caused more problems in our society then just about anything. Instead of seeing the real problem and blaming the parents they end up blaming the children and putting them on medications. Which is why I have 3 children and none of them are on medication and some people have all their kids on some kind of mental medication.
Are you really saying that psychologists and psychiatrists have CAUSED all these mental problems in society?
There are obviously problems with the treatment routes some countries take. I live in the UK but worked on a summer camp in the US whilst I was at uni as was shocked at how much medication the children were on. But, thats not an issue with the fields of psychology and psychiatry, thats a specific systemic problem in the USA with approaches for treating mental health issues.
Who do you think gives them the medication? Instead of identifying the problems they throw medication at it. Its popular and widespread in USA. You also realize it took psychiatrists almost 20 years to figure out the hannibal lecter of Europe lied about killing all those people. That doesn't speak very well for how educated they are and how well they are at solving and identifying mental problems.
We had violence before video games, before TV, before hard rock music, humans can be inherently violent.
Agreed.. I literally used this as my thesis for last semester's English paper.. Violence pre-dates video games by quite a little bit.. So.. the issue is within humanity and not forms of media..
..because we're gamers, damn it!! - William Massachusetts (Log Horizon)
At the end of the day, it's up to the PARENTS to not use video games as cheap babysitters, and to watch what their kids play. And also watch how long they play.
This debate exists since the early days of video gaming.
Actually it predates video gaming and computers altogether, and really began with the printing press, and oddly enough, music.
At the end of the day, it's up to the PARENTS to not use video games as cheap babysitters, and to watch what their kids play. And also watch how long they play.
And this was literally the second part of my thesis.. heh.. Thank god others think the same.. There is hope left for humanity..
..because we're gamers, damn it!! - William Massachusetts (Log Horizon)
At the end of the day, it's up to the PARENTS to not use video games as cheap babysitters, and to watch what their kids play. And also watch how long they play.
And this was literally the second part of my thesis.. heh.. Thank god others think the same.. There is hope left for humanity..
Well that was pretty much what the link in the OP was about too. Parents should engage on the media they feed their children.
That and a suggestion to premier developers and producers who create nuanced games and other media. Preferably targeted at young children.
We had violence before video games, before TV, before hard rock music, humans can be inherently violent. There is no way to explain a psychopath other than a hate in their heart.
On the contrary Psychopathy is a very well understood personality disorder.
It has nothing to do with "hatred in their heart", and everything to do with lack of empathy, remorse and persistent behavior involving disregard and hurting others.
I think the problem lies when it becomes too much life like. A game like Contra was violent and involved shooting things with guns. But when you compare that with GTAV on how and why they are killing people. It just does something negative to a child's mind. A child playing with figures of army men blowing things up with tanks is all in his mind. But when its reality in front of them blowing up hospitals and watching people bleed out on the streets. Then the child is enjoying this content and playing it more and more. Might explain how and why these same children have so many mental disorders. Today's society has more mental disorders then all other societies combined. I strongly believe it is because they have enjoyed being entertained with such content.
A 10 year old child can watch his village slaughtered by gorrillas and even told his 6 year old brother not to move and watched him run out in the street to be killed. That 10 year old boy is living reality of what our 10 year old children laugh at for entertainment. Yet it is our children who cannot stay out of mental hospitals and the children of war are normal members of society.
As to your first paragraph, yes you should provide your child with age appropriate violence. For example, cartoon violence is probably fine for a child while an adult horror movie most likely is not. This goes without saying regardless of the medium. However, research does not suggest any long term increase in violent behaviors even in these cases of exposure to fictional violence.
The children of war aren't in mental hospitals because their country is at war. The vast majority of children in America never even come close to the inside of a mental hospital. I'm a therapist and even among my patient population the majority aren't going into mental hospitals.
You're using a lot of common sense arguments that are not backed up by science.
Have you been watching the news? DMKano talked about this problem not leading to the crimes we see in game but lowering people's empathy. Also kids to have a tendency to violence cant be identified till they are older and if their mids are fed from a young age with the wrong content. You have only made the problem worse. Then redirecting behavior becomes harder to do. Safest path is to avoid that type of media till the child is older and you can observe their behavior and tendencies.
What does the news have to do with anything? I deal with facts and science. Kids with a tendency towards violence are easily identifiable at age 9 y/o and earlier. I'd suggest doing some research rather than relying on anecdotes, common sense, and your gut.
We had violence before video games, before TV, before hard rock music, humans can be inherently violent. There is no way to explain a psychopath other than a hate in their heart.
On the contrary Psychopathy is a very well understood personality disorder.
It has nothing to do with "hatred in their heart", and everything to do with lack of empathy, remorse and persistent behavior involving disregard and hurting others.
I think the problem lies when it becomes too much life like. A game like Contra was violent and involved shooting things with guns. But when you compare that with GTAV on how and why they are killing people. It just does something negative to a child's mind. A child playing with figures of army men blowing things up with tanks is all in his mind. But when its reality in front of them blowing up hospitals and watching people bleed out on the streets. Then the child is enjoying this content and playing it more and more. Might explain how and why these same children have so many mental disorders. Today's society has more mental disorders then all other societies combined. I strongly believe it is because they have enjoyed being entertained with such content.
A 10 year old child can watch his village slaughtered by gorrillas and even told his 6 year old brother not to move and watched him run out in the street to be killed. That 10 year old boy is living reality of what our 10 year old children laugh at for entertainment. Yet it is our children who cannot stay out of mental hospitals and the children of war are normal members of society.
As to your first paragraph, yes you should provide your child with age appropriate violence. For example, cartoon violence is probably fine for a child while an adult horror movie most likely is not. This goes without saying regardless of the medium. However, research does not suggest any long term increase in violent behaviors even in these cases of exposure to fictional violence.
The children of war aren't in mental hospitals because their country is at war. The vast majority of children in America never even come close to the inside of a mental hospital. I'm a therapist and even among my patient population the majority aren't going into mental hospitals.
You're using a lot of common sense arguments that are not backed up by science.
You are a therapist and the reason you even exist is because children in our culture have been enjoying stuff that the human mind should never enjoy. Kick a dog enough and eventually you start laughing when you do it. 90% of the people who get therapy shouldn't even need it. Our entire society is drugged up on mental medicines and why or how did this happen to a society that has never seen the threat of war? Its because they watch and enjoy some twisted stuff and it has had such a negative impact on their minds that the only way to live with it is to take sleeping pills, muscle relaxers, and anything a mental doctor will give them. I'm not accusing you personally sorry if that sounds that way. But the entire field of psychology has caused more problems in our society then just about anything. Instead of seeing the real problem and blaming the parents they end up blaming the children and putting them on medications. Which is why I have 3 children and none of them are on medication and some people have all their kids on some kind of mental medication.
LOL so my job only exists because of exposure to media? Mental illness didn't exist in the times of cave men? Cause I hate to break it to you, it did, and we have evidence demonstrating their efforts to treat it. Man ITT people that have no idea what they're talking about.
WTF kids are on sleeping pills and muscle relaxers prescribed by a mental doctor? A.) there's no such thing as a mental doctor, B.) psychiatrists don't prescribe these types of medications to their patients (adult or child) generally. No one's out there blaming kids and overmedicating them. But what do I know? I just work for one of the leading mental health programs out there. I'm sure your tin foil hat conspiracy will lump me in with those evil, scheming, psychologists out to harm America's youth!
"Our entire society is drugged up on medicines..." You mean the whole 20% of America that has ever been prescribed a mental health medication. That's 1 out of 5. No where near our entire society.
"Psychology has caused more problems in our society than just about anything." Ok so more than homelessness, AIDS/HIV, drugs, poverty, war? I mean come on........
We had violence before video games, before TV, before hard rock music, humans can be inherently violent. There is no way to explain a psychopath other than a hate in their heart.
On the contrary Psychopathy is a very well understood personality disorder.
It has nothing to do with "hatred in their heart", and everything to do with lack of empathy, remorse and persistent behavior involving disregard and hurting others.
I think the problem lies when it becomes too much life like. A game like Contra was violent and involved shooting things with guns. But when you compare that with GTAV on how and why they are killing people. It just does something negative to a child's mind. A child playing with figures of army men blowing things up with tanks is all in his mind. But when its reality in front of them blowing up hospitals and watching people bleed out on the streets. Then the child is enjoying this content and playing it more and more. Might explain how and why these same children have so many mental disorders. Today's society has more mental disorders then all other societies combined. I strongly believe it is because they have enjoyed being entertained with such content.
A 10 year old child can watch his village slaughtered by gorrillas and even told his 6 year old brother not to move and watched him run out in the street to be killed. That 10 year old boy is living reality of what our 10 year old children laugh at for entertainment. Yet it is our children who cannot stay out of mental hospitals and the children of war are normal members of society.
As to your first paragraph, yes you should provide your child with age appropriate violence. For example, cartoon violence is probably fine for a child while an adult horror movie most likely is not. This goes without saying regardless of the medium. However, research does not suggest any long term increase in violent behaviors even in these cases of exposure to fictional violence.
The children of war aren't in mental hospitals because their country is at war. The vast majority of children in America never even come close to the inside of a mental hospital. I'm a therapist and even among my patient population the majority aren't going into mental hospitals.
You're using a lot of common sense arguments that are not backed up by science.
Have you been watching the news? DMKano talked about this problem not leading to the crimes we see in game but lowering people's empathy. Also kids to have a tendency to violence cant be identified till they are older and if their mids are fed from a young age with the wrong content. You have only made the problem worse. Then redirecting behavior becomes harder to do. Safest path is to avoid that type of media till the child is older and you can observe their behavior and tendencies.
What does the news have to do with anything? I deal with facts and science. Kids with a tendency towards violence are easily identifiable at age 9 y/o and earlier. I'd suggest doing some research rather than relying on anecdotes, common sense, and your gut.
They are violent because of what they have been subjected to and how their parents have raised them. How you raise children is important things from how to deal with other people and how to deal with the government. It is all taught by someone somewhere and the problem is will the parents do the right thing and teach them the right ways or allow media and schools to teach them instead.
We had violence before video games, before TV, before hard rock music, humans can be inherently violent. There is no way to explain a psychopath other than a hate in their heart.
On the contrary Psychopathy is a very well understood personality disorder.
It has nothing to do with "hatred in their heart", and everything to do with lack of empathy, remorse and persistent behavior involving disregard and hurting others.
I think the problem lies when it becomes too much life like. A game like Contra was violent and involved shooting things with guns. But when you compare that with GTAV on how and why they are killing people. It just does something negative to a child's mind. A child playing with figures of army men blowing things up with tanks is all in his mind. But when its reality in front of them blowing up hospitals and watching people bleed out on the streets. Then the child is enjoying this content and playing it more and more. Might explain how and why these same children have so many mental disorders. Today's society has more mental disorders then all other societies combined. I strongly believe it is because they have enjoyed being entertained with such content.
A 10 year old child can watch his village slaughtered by gorrillas and even told his 6 year old brother not to move and watched him run out in the street to be killed. That 10 year old boy is living reality of what our 10 year old children laugh at for entertainment. Yet it is our children who cannot stay out of mental hospitals and the children of war are normal members of society.
As to your first paragraph, yes you should provide your child with age appropriate violence. For example, cartoon violence is probably fine for a child while an adult horror movie most likely is not. This goes without saying regardless of the medium. However, research does not suggest any long term increase in violent behaviors even in these cases of exposure to fictional violence.
The children of war aren't in mental hospitals because their country is at war. The vast majority of children in America never even come close to the inside of a mental hospital. I'm a therapist and even among my patient population the majority aren't going into mental hospitals.
You're using a lot of common sense arguments that are not backed up by science.
You are a therapist and the reason you even exist is because children in our culture have been enjoying stuff that the human mind should never enjoy. Kick a dog enough and eventually you start laughing when you do it. 90% of the people who get therapy shouldn't even need it. Our entire society is drugged up on mental medicines and why or how did this happen to a society that has never seen the threat of war? Its because they watch and enjoy some twisted stuff and it has had such a negative impact on their minds that the only way to live with it is to take sleeping pills, muscle relaxers, and anything a mental doctor will give them. I'm not accusing you personally sorry if that sounds that way. But the entire field of psychology has caused more problems in our society then just about anything. Instead of seeing the real problem and blaming the parents they end up blaming the children and putting them on medications. Which is why I have 3 children and none of them are on medication and some people have all their kids on some kind of mental medication.
LOL so my job only exists because of exposure to media? Mental illness didn't exist in the times of cave men? Cause I hate to break it to you, it did, and we have evidence demonstrating their efforts to treat it. Man ITT people that have no idea what they're talking about.
WTF kids are on sleeping pills and muscle relaxers prescribed by a mental doctor? A.) there's no such thing as a mental doctor, B.) psychiatrists don't prescribe these types of medications to their patients (adult or child) generally. No one's out there blaming kids and overmedicating them. But what do I know? I just work for one of the leading mental health programs out there. I'm sure your tin foil hat conspiracy will lump me in with those evil, scheming, psychologists out to harm America's youth!
"Our entire society is drugged up on medicines..." You mean the whole 20% of America that has ever been prescribed a mental health medication. That's 1 out of 5. No where near our entire society.
I've got to leave this thread because it's so full of bull shit I'm starting to stink.
I heard a quote that struck me once I thought about it.
'everything about you is a result of what has happen to you'
meaning 100% of your personality is made up of what is outside of you, your life experiences, food you eat, media you are exposed to, radiation you are exposed to, all of it 100%.
I think we greatly under estimate the power of media over a population, violent or otherwise
I should expand a bit with an example: 'You can change the quality of your life by changing your focus' 'yes true but how do I know that and where do i get those skills?' 'you get them from outside of yourself'
so you see even things you think you have complete control over are actually skills introduced to you from the outside world.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
ok lots of comments by unqualified Wikipedia bandits, quit talking with authority about something you know nothing about.
Next as someone who is qualified to talk about this it comes down to this:
Displays of violence can lead to violent replay.
BUT
Generally it's merely healthy roleplay of said violence and isn't an indicator of violent behavior.
THEN
Sometimes violence can trigger violence in an individual when that individual has a prior history of abuse (and here you can take your pick, maternal deprivation, physical/sexual abuse etc.)
And so to make it even easier to understand, it's broken individuals that take what they see/play/hear and replay to an extent that's harmful to themselves or others.
This will always be the case when our society as a whole has yet to come to grips with dealing with people who have mental health issues.
“Nevertheless, the human brain, which survives by hoping from one second to another, will always endeavor to put off the moment of truth. Moist” ― Terry Pratchett, Making Money
At the end of the day, it's up to the PARENTS to not use video games as cheap babysitters, and to watch what their kids play. And also watch how long they play.
This debate exists since the early days of video gaming.
We had violence before video games, before TV, before hard rock music, humans can be inherently violent. There is no way to explain a psychopath other than a hate in their heart.
On the contrary Psychopathy is a very well understood personality disorder.
It has nothing to do with "hatred in their heart", and everything to do with lack of empathy, remorse and persistent behavior involving disregard and hurting others.
I think the problem lies when it becomes too much life like. A game like Contra was violent and involved shooting things with guns. But when you compare that with GTAV on how and why they are killing people. It just does something negative to a child's mind. A child playing with figures of army men blowing things up with tanks is all in his mind. But when its reality in front of them blowing up hospitals and watching people bleed out on the streets. Then the child is enjoying this content and playing it more and more. Might explain how and why these same children have so many mental disorders. Today's society has more mental disorders then all other societies combined. I strongly believe it is because they have enjoyed being entertained with such content.
A 10 year old child can watch his village slaughtered by gorrillas and even told his 6 year old brother not to move and watched him run out in the street to be killed. That 10 year old boy is living reality of what our 10 year old children laugh at for entertainment. Yet it is our children who cannot stay out of mental hospitals and the children of war are normal members of society.
As to your first paragraph, yes you should provide your child with age appropriate violence. For example, cartoon violence is probably fine for a child while an adult horror movie most likely is not. This goes without saying regardless of the medium. However, research does not suggest any long term increase in violent behaviors even in these cases of exposure to fictional violence.
The children of war aren't in mental hospitals because their country is at war. The vast majority of children in America never even come close to the inside of a mental hospital. I'm a therapist and even among my patient population the majority aren't going into mental hospitals.
You're using a lot of common sense arguments that are not backed up by science.
You are a therapist and the reason you even exist is because children in our culture have been enjoying stuff that the human mind should never enjoy. Kick a dog enough and eventually you start laughing when you do it. 90% of the people who get therapy shouldn't even need it. Our entire society is drugged up on mental medicines and why or how did this happen to a society that has never seen the threat of war? Its because they watch and enjoy some twisted stuff and it has had such a negative impact on their minds that the only way to live with it is to take sleeping pills, muscle relaxers, and anything a mental doctor will give them. I'm not accusing you personally sorry if that sounds that way. But the entire field of psychology has caused more problems in our society then just about anything. Instead of seeing the real problem and blaming the parents they end up blaming the children and putting them on medications. Which is why I have 3 children and none of them are on medication and some people have all their kids on some kind of mental medication.
LOL so my job only exists because of exposure to media? Mental illness didn't exist in the times of cave men? Cause I hate to break it to you, it did, and we have evidence demonstrating their efforts to treat it. Man ITT people that have no idea what they're talking about.
WTF kids are on sleeping pills and muscle relaxers prescribed by a mental doctor? A.) there's no such thing as a mental doctor, B.) psychiatrists don't prescribe these types of medications to their patients (adult or child) generally. No one's out there blaming kids and overmedicating them. But what do I know? I just work for one of the leading mental health programs out there. I'm sure your tin foil hat conspiracy will lump me in with those evil, scheming, psychologists out to harm America's youth!
"Our entire society is drugged up on medicines..." You mean the whole 20% of America that has ever been prescribed a mental health medication. That's 1 out of 5. No where near our entire society.
I've got to leave this thread because it's so full of bull shit I'm starting to stink.
I heard a quote that struck me once I thought about it.
'everything about you is a result of what has happen to you'
meaning 100% of your personality is made up of what is outside of you, your life experiences, food you eat, media you are exposed to, radiation you are exposed to, all of it 100%.
I think we greatly under estimate the power of media over a population, violent or otherwise
I should expand a bit with an example: 'You can change the quality of your life by changing your focus' 'yes true but how do I know that and where do i get those skills?' 'you get them from outside of yourself'
so you see even things you think you have complete control over are actually skills introduced to you from the outside world.
The problem is that is barely true. Everything about you is not a result of what happened to you. It's 10000000000000000x more complicated than that. It's a result of your genetics, attachment style, temperment, IQ, and about a billion other factors both internal and external. This is the nature vs nurture debate that's is as old as time itself. The clear winner is....both. At no point have I said exposure to media has no impact on you whatsoever. Simply that it does not lead to violence, callousness, or any lack of empathy per demonstrable science.
Additionally, way more important than what happens to you is your interpretation of what happens. Ex: see group of people laughing in hallway. Person A attributes laughter to making fun of him person B attributes it to their having told each other a joke. Both got exposed to the exact same stimulus. One is going to have anxiety and the other is not. None of which has anything to do with the stimulus itself.
I have no idea what changing your life has to do with changing your focus. That might be true for a specific subset of people. However, you don't have to acquire those skills externally as you're assuming. Hence, why most people don't need therapists. Further, mindfulness meditation would be a great example of changing your focus but does not require any externally supplied skills.
Again the majority of people in this thread are referencing anecdotes, philosophers, sayings. These are nice feel good things, but have no bearing on actual reality.
We had violence before video games, before TV, before hard rock music, humans can be inherently violent. There is no way to explain a psychopath other than a hate in their heart.
Difference is how easy violent content is available and the quantity it's being consumed. Also as it talks above about the quality. Games visual quality is so real its hard to tell the difference between a video clip of someone getting shot in real life and in a game. Are we sure we know the impact this is having on youth. As experts have conducted studies that show media consumption may have a bigger impact on youth then we thought.
Video games are not responsible for this. IF you want to take responsibility, stop spreading this BS around.
Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what
it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience
because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in
the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you
playing an MMORPG?"
The problem is that is barely true. Everything about you is not a result of what happened to you. It's 10000000000000000x more complicated than that. It's a result of your genetics, attachment style, temperment, IQ, and about a billion other factors both internal and external. This is the nature vs nurture debate that's is as old as time itself. The clear winner is....both. At no point have I said exposure to media has no impact on you whatsoever. Simply that it does not lead to violence, callousness, or any lack of empathy per demonstrable science.
Additionally, way more important than what happens to you is your interpretation of what happens. Ex: see group of people laughing in hallway. Person A attributes laughter to making fun of him person B attributes it to their having told each other a joke. Both got exposed to the exact same stimulus. One is going to have anxiety and the other is not. None of which has anything to do with the stimulus itself.
I have no idea what changing your life has to do with changing your focus. That might be true for a specific subset of people. However, you don't have to acquire those skills externally as you're assuming. Hence, why most people don't need therapists.
Again the majority of people in this thread are referencing anecdotes, philosophers, sayings. These are nice feel good things, but have no bearing on actual reality.
completely wrong and frankly I dont care what profession you are in, just to be clear
Life skills do not grow up from inside of you in a void. Literally everything you do and know how to do you learn from your surroundings. Everything from how to take a shit to how to treat others is TAUGHT to you. Even how to 'unlearn' what you have learned is a skill that you aquire from outside sources not inside the void. Even your genetics comes from your enviroment.
The problem with much of pop-psyc is that they tend to 1. focus on the symptom not the cause 2. assume a persons current state is always of their own doing which in fact it almost never is.
and to the topic. If media didnt affect a persons choices and attitude then marketing would not exist in that medium
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
The problem is that is barely true. Everything about you is not a result of what happened to you. It's 10000000000000000x more complicated than that. It's a result of your genetics, attachment style, temperment, IQ, and about a billion other factors both internal and external. This is the nature vs nurture debate that's is as old as time itself. The clear winner is....both. At no point have I said exposure to media has no impact on you whatsoever. Simply that it does not lead to violence, callousness, or any lack of empathy per demonstrable science.
Additionally, way more important than what happens to you is your interpretation of what happens. Ex: see group of people laughing in hallway. Person A attributes laughter to making fun of him person B attributes it to their having told each other a joke. Both got exposed to the exact same stimulus. One is going to have anxiety and the other is not. None of which has anything to do with the stimulus itself.
I have no idea what changing your life has to do with changing your focus. That might be true for a specific subset of people. However, you don't have to acquire those skills externally as you're assuming. Hence, why most people don't need therapists.
Again the majority of people in this thread are referencing anecdotes, philosophers, sayings. These are nice feel good things, but have no bearing on actual reality.
completely wrong and frankly I dont care what profession you are in, just to be clear
Life skills do not grow up from inside of you in a void. Literally everything you do and know how to do you learn from your surroundings. Everything from how to take a shit to how to treat others is TAUGHT to you. Even how to 'unlearn' what you have learned is a skill that you aquire from outside sources not inside the void. Even your genetics comes from your enviroment.
The problem with much of pop-psyc is that they tend to 1. focus on the symptom not the cause 2. assume a persons current state is always of their own doing which in fact it almost never is.
Sure dude. Aaron Beck, Sigmund Freud, Marsha Linehan, BF Skinner, Judith Beck, Alfred Adler, William James, and the entire psychological science has no clue what they're talking about.... You can even check out most philosophers who will tell you you're wrong as well.
No one teaches you your temperment, no one teaches you your IQ, no one teaches you how to respond when you're hungry, no one teaches you all kinds of things, but I thought everything is TAUGHT to you? Yeah it's not. No one taught you how to shit either. You were doing it as soon as you came out of the womb. However, if you meant toilet training sure.
You made the statement 'everything about you is a result of what has happen to you' - EVERYTHING about you is not a result of what has happened to you. Absolutes are rarely if ever true and may be the foundation of this argument.
I'm done replying at this point because you have no idea what you're talking about and are spewing absolute bull shit. Your perception of psychology is based off what you read on an internet blog and saw on the news. Psychology hasn't tried to attribute a person's state to their own personal doing basically ever (see freud, skinner, beck, linehan, ellis, basically all of them?) so maybe read a book sometime? Or just keep spouting nonsense on the internet like everyone else.
The above poster has summarized this thread perfectly for me.
Sure dude. Aaron Beck, Sigmund Freud, Marsha Linehan, BF Skinner, Judith Beck, Alfred Adler, William James, and the entire psychological science has no clue what they're talking about....
No one teaches you your temperment, no one teaches you your IQ, no one teaches you how to respond when you're hungry, no one teaches you all kinds of things, but I thought everything is TAUGHT to you? Yeah it's not.
I'm done replying at this point because you have no idea what you're talking about and are spewing absolute bull shit. Your perception of psychology is based off what you read on an internet blog and saw on the news. Psychology hasn't tried to attribute a person's state to their own personal doing basically ever (see freud, skinner, beck, linehan, ellis, basically all of them?) so maybe read a book sometime? Or just keep spouting nonsense on the internet like everyone else.
ok
1. first off most of those do NOT agree that most of your existence is nature and not nurture so you have that problem to deal with now.
2. I get passionate about this for two reasons a. because its painfully clear to me pop-psyc spends far to much time suggesting to people that 100% of how they are is their fault when it almost never is b. They spend far to much time looking at symptoms and not causes. The number 1 cause of drug addiction? its child abuse. something that is not related to the substance and not the fault of the addicted.
3. If media didnt affect our decisions advertising would not exist. Its naive to think our collective 'consciousness' is not manipulated by TV and other media. Including I might add our insane ability to assume everything is Bipolar without ever looking at the enviroment.
I should add life is not all bitwise. Its not a question of does GTA 5 cause violence or does it not. Chances are someone who was hit over the head as a child with a baseball bat causing brain damage and forced to live in a closet is going to be more the cause of his violence then what game he plays. However to suggest games and TV do not affect our personality is also being naive.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
We had violence before video games, before TV, before hard rock music, humans can be inherently violent. There is no way to explain a psychopath other than a hate in their heart.
On the contrary Psychopathy is a very well understood personality disorder.
It has nothing to do with "hatred in their heart", and everything to do with lack of empathy, remorse and persistent behavior involving disregard and hurting others.
I think the problem lies when it becomes too much life like. A game like Contra was violent and involved shooting things with guns. But when you compare that with GTAV on how and why they are killing people. It just does something negative to a child's mind. A child playing with figures of army men blowing things up with tanks is all in his mind. But when its reality in front of them blowing up hospitals and watching people bleed out on the streets. Then the child is enjoying this content and playing it more and more. Might explain how and why these same children have so many mental disorders. Today's society has more mental disorders then all other societies combined. I strongly believe it is because they have enjoyed being entertained with such content.
A 10 year old child can watch his village slaughtered by gorrillas and even told his 6 year old brother not to move and watched him run out in the street to be killed. That 10 year old boy is living reality of what our 10 year old children laugh at for entertainment. Yet it is our children who cannot stay out of mental hospitals and the children of war are normal members of society.
As to your first paragraph, yes you should provide your child with age appropriate violence. For example, cartoon violence is probably fine for a child while an adult horror movie most likely is not. This goes without saying regardless of the medium. However, research does not suggest any long term increase in violent behaviors even in these cases of exposure to fictional violence.
The children of war aren't in mental hospitals because their country is at war. The vast majority of children in America never even come close to the inside of a mental hospital. I'm a therapist and even among my patient population the majority aren't going into mental hospitals.
You're using a lot of common sense arguments that are not backed up by science.
You are a therapist and the reason you even exist is because children in our culture have been enjoying stuff that the human mind should never enjoy. Kick a dog enough and eventually you start laughing when you do it. 90% of the people who get therapy shouldn't even need it. Our entire society is drugged up on mental medicines and why or how did this happen to a society that has never seen the threat of war? Its because they watch and enjoy some twisted stuff and it has had such a negative impact on their minds that the only way to live with it is to take sleeping pills, muscle relaxers, and anything a mental doctor will give them. I'm not accusing you personally sorry if that sounds that way. But the entire field of psychology has caused more problems in our society then just about anything. Instead of seeing the real problem and blaming the parents they end up blaming the children and putting them on medications. Which is why I have 3 children and none of them are on medication and some people have all their kids on some kind of mental medication.
"Our entire society is drugged up on medicines..." You mean the whole 20% of America that has ever been prescribed a mental health medication. That's 1 out of 5. No where near our entire society. ..
Somehow psychology has convinced 1 out of every 5 people that they need mental medication. That is a huge failure and yes that is horribly wrong. Considering that less then 5% of the population should ever need it. So Like I was saying. The psychology world has given the people problems that don't even exist in a lot of cases. You see that the psychology world needs people to be mentally ill. They get paid by finding mentally ill people and prescribing them medications. Because if it was honest and true they wouldn't even have jobs.
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In most of those cases you have have to look at who is doing the research, who have they represented in the past, what affiliations they have, and basically follow the money.
To say that there is a certain degree of corruption in a number of these 'researches' would be an understatement.
is not equal to this
http://time.com/31497/sture-bergwall-thomas-quick-freed-from-swedish-psychiatric-ward/
..because we're gamers, damn it!! - William Massachusetts (Log Horizon)
..because we're gamers, damn it!! - William Massachusetts (Log Horizon)
That and a suggestion to premier developers and producers who create nuanced games and other media. Preferably targeted at young children.
This have been a good conversation
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WTF kids are on sleeping pills and muscle relaxers prescribed by a mental doctor? A.) there's no such thing as a mental doctor, B.) psychiatrists don't prescribe these types of medications to their patients (adult or child) generally. No one's out there blaming kids and overmedicating them. But what do I know? I just work for one of the leading mental health programs out there. I'm sure your tin foil hat conspiracy will lump me in with those evil, scheming, psychologists out to harm America's youth!
"Our entire society is drugged up on medicines..." You mean the whole 20% of America that has ever been prescribed a mental health medication. That's 1 out of 5. No where near our entire society.
"Psychology has caused more problems in our society than just about anything." Ok so more than homelessness, AIDS/HIV, drugs, poverty, war? I mean come on........
Steam: Neph
'everything about you is a result of what has happen to you'
meaning 100% of your personality is made up of what is outside of you, your life experiences, food you eat, media you are exposed to, radiation you are exposed to, all of it 100%.
I think we greatly under estimate the power of media over a population, violent or otherwise
I should expand a bit with an example:
'You can change the quality of your life by changing your focus'
'yes true but how do I know that and where do i get those skills?'
'you get them from outside of yourself'
so you see even things you think you have complete control over are actually skills introduced to you from the outside world.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
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Next as someone who is qualified to talk about this it comes down to this:
Displays of violence can lead to violent replay.
BUT
Generally it's merely healthy roleplay of said violence and isn't an indicator of violent behavior.
THEN
Sometimes violence can trigger violence in an individual when that individual has a prior history of abuse (and here you can take your pick, maternal deprivation, physical/sexual abuse etc.)
And so to make it even easier to understand, it's broken individuals that take what they see/play/hear and replay to an extent that's harmful to themselves or others.
This will always be the case when our society as a whole has yet to come to grips with dealing with people who have mental health issues.
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We can't have people, especially Americans, taking responsibility for their choices.
Additionally, way more important than what happens to you is your interpretation of what happens. Ex: see group of people laughing in hallway. Person A attributes laughter to making fun of him person B attributes it to their having told each other a joke. Both got exposed to the exact same stimulus. One is going to have anxiety and the other is not. None of which has anything to do with the stimulus itself.
I have no idea what changing your life has to do with changing your focus. That might be true for a specific subset of people. However, you don't have to acquire those skills externally as you're assuming. Hence, why most people don't need therapists. Further, mindfulness meditation would be a great example of changing your focus but does not require any externally supplied skills.
Again the majority of people in this thread are referencing anecdotes, philosophers, sayings. These are nice feel good things, but have no bearing on actual reality.
Steam: Neph
Video games are not responsible for this. IF you want to take responsibility, stop spreading this BS around.
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Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"
Life skills do not grow up from inside of you in a void. Literally everything you do and know how to do you learn from your surroundings. Everything from how to take a shit to how to treat others is TAUGHT to you. Even how to 'unlearn' what you have learned is a skill that you aquire from outside sources not inside the void. Even your genetics comes from your enviroment.
The problem with much of pop-psyc is that they tend to 1. focus on the symptom not the cause 2. assume a persons current state is always of their own doing which in fact it almost never is.
and to the topic. If media didnt affect a persons choices and attitude then marketing would not exist in that medium
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
No one teaches you your temperment, no one teaches you your IQ, no one teaches you how to respond when you're hungry, no one teaches you all kinds of things, but I thought everything is TAUGHT to you? Yeah it's not. No one taught you how to shit either. You were doing it as soon as you came out of the womb. However, if you meant toilet training sure.
You made the statement 'everything about you is a result of what has happen to you' - EVERYTHING about you is not a result of what has happened to you. Absolutes are rarely if ever true and may be the foundation of this argument.
I'm done replying at this point because you have no idea what you're talking about and are spewing absolute bull shit. Your perception of psychology is based off what you read on an internet blog and saw on the news. Psychology hasn't tried to attribute a person's state to their own personal doing basically ever (see freud, skinner, beck, linehan, ellis, basically all of them?) so maybe read a book sometime? Or just keep spouting nonsense on the internet like everyone else.
The above poster has summarized this thread perfectly for me.
Steam: Neph
1. first off most of those do NOT agree that most of your existence is nature and not nurture so you have that problem to deal with now.
2. I get passionate about this for two reasons
a. because its painfully clear to me pop-psyc spends far to much time suggesting to people that 100% of how they are is their fault when it almost never is
b. They spend far to much time looking at symptoms and not causes. The number 1 cause of drug addiction? its child abuse. something that is not related to the substance and not the fault of the addicted.
3. If media didnt affect our decisions advertising would not exist. Its naive to think our collective 'consciousness' is not manipulated by TV and other media. Including I might add our insane ability to assume everything is Bipolar without ever looking at the enviroment.
I should add life is not all bitwise. Its not a question of does GTA 5 cause violence or does it not. Chances are someone who was hit over the head as a child with a baseball bat causing brain damage and forced to live in a closet is going to be more the cause of his violence then what game he plays. However to suggest games and TV do not affect our personality is also being naive.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
If media doesnt affect our thoughts and actions why does Marketing exist?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
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