I think the discussion on violence in media is going to become more of an issue as time goes on. The internet and widespread distribution of news has made our world feel very small, and that world feels a lot more dangerous. People are determined to find answers for that and this is an easy one. We're human beings though. Nothing is ever this simple.
I think figuring out why some people are violent is a complex problem. While video game violence may be a contributing factor, I am sure there are a million other things that are contributing as well. Not sure why music, television, and video games take the brunt of it.
Mental health has been taking a heavy focus in America with the amount of school shootings we have, and other similar tragedies. People want answers and fixes. I just hope it leads to further development in psychology, psychiatry, and proper treatment. I can see it going the other way and fear taking over where we reopen mental hospitals that act as prisons for the mentally ill instead of a focus on healing and rehabilitation.
The United States Supreme Court examined the "science" seeking to link the playing of video games to violence, and rejected it in Brown v. EMA. The Court found that:
These studies
have been rejected by every court to consider them,and
with good reason: They do not prove that violent video games cause minors to act aggressively (which would at
least be a beginning). Instead, “[n]early all of the research
is based on correlation, not evidence of causation, and
most of the studies suffer from significant, admitted flaws
in methodology.” Id.
And the courts used to say black people were property and could not stand in judgment of a white person. Government told us DDT was safe, lead was a marvel of the industrial age. We are learning every day that we didn't know as much as we thought we once did. We got there by challenging what was thought as common knowledge.
I learned a lot of things as a kid that I readily reject as an adult. Hiding kids from violence isnt going to protect them, its going to stunt them. ...
disagree. However
1. nobody is suggesting hiding it, people are suggesting that maybe we are over the fuck saturated with it. I honestly do not know how kids know about anything OTHER than violence anymore these days.
2. Killing someone is not one of the top life lessons people need in their toolchest of life tools. Good job? check. How to not be an asshole? check. how to fill air in a tire? check. How to murder someone. yeah I am putting that low on live lessons list
Playing a video game doesnt 'prepare' you or teach you how to kill an individual anymore than playing NBA 2K16 teaches you how to make a jump shot. Perhaps if you read and responded to an entire idea it might save from attempting to use such terrible logic.
But then again, probably not.
I guess you don't play many modern video games then.
Il just say this...... In neighborhoods where kids didn't have video games kids were way more violent... Then other kids that did play video games. Only person to get ideas from a video game and to try them in reality is a person that was already violent.
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Il just say this...... In neighborhoods where kids didn't have video games kids were way more violent... Then other kids that did play video games.
Correlation does not mean causation.
Unless you think that the neighborhood is poor because people play too little video games.
Well just look at the past, before video games violence was way more common. And again usually thugs are not gamers or what ever. Saying video games cause violence is like saying reading lord of the rings where they climbed a mountain will cause you to climbed the himalayas. Violent video games are usually not about the violence. In shooting games it's much more about team work and strategy. Some people get competitive so they start to trash talk, but that's common for any competitive scene.
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It's the same as comic books causing "juvenile delinquency and mental illness" in the 1950s.
It's always the self-proclaimed "experts" trying to get you to buy their books or fund their research/retirement accounts, hiding their greed with a false moralism.
These are long discussions and they have been around for decades, and longer. All the "scientific proof" always warrants a methodological check (the clinical and survey settings, etc.), and some transparency regarding the linguistic and sociocultural assumptions they are based upon. Lot's of terms that can be understood and calculated in various ways: For example, how an instance of violence becomes registered or doesn't become registered - including cultural and subcultural linguistic variation.
Not to mention any popular references to psychopathy, evoked by people, who are not familiar with the way in which the inventories work and are worked with. A lot of social power at work in there. A lot that is worth more transparent discussion, and a lot of need for understanding history of science and borrowed epistemological gears and cogs.
On a more personal note - while I recognise that it's obviously not directly commensurable in relation to statistical, or clinical, arguments - I've essentially only known peaceful nerds in my lifetime of violent gaming (including early titles such as Commando Libya (C64), and Harvester (PC)). Any threat of violence has always totally come from elsewhere, from people other than avid gamers. There is obviously more to this, but there is most likely also more to the "scientific proof". Myself, I'm a dedicated PvPer with a decades long history in violent gaming: I love the consensual sense of competitive threat, I love that someone gets decimated in a game, yet both IRL and in game sociality I'm still a dedicated feminist, and very concerned about things like non-violence, social power, fair play, mutuality and sociocultural standpoint. Just saying.
The United States Supreme Court examined the "science" seeking to link the playing of video games to violence, and rejected it in Brown v. EMA. The Court found that:
These studies
have been rejected by every court to consider them,and
with good reason: They do not prove that violent video games cause minors to act aggressively (which would at
least be a beginning). Instead, “[n]early all of the research
is based on correlation, not evidence of causation, and
most of the studies suffer from significant, admitted flaws
in methodology.” Id.
And the courts used to say black people were property and could not stand in judgment of a white person. Government told us DDT was safe, lead was a marvel of the industrial age. We are learning every day that we didn't know as much as we thought we once did. We got there by challenging what was thought as common knowledge.
I think the problem there is that you are confusing peoples opinions at the time, with how opinions changed. Frankly the opinions of some that depicted violence leads to actual violence really belongs in that same age, its a hidebound logic that, as the judge in question correctly identified, has no bearing in reality, its just misguided opinions of those, who frankly seem to have little better to do with their lives, strictly a first world problem tbh.
Not going to read everything that has been said before, just going to add my opinion for those who care. Personally, I don't think games affect any except those that are easily impressionable. My only concern is when we start having virtual reality games as more commonplace in the future where you are literally the one committing the violence in the first person, and it actually feels like it is reality vs watching a screen and knowing the difference.
Not going to read everything that has been said before, just going to add my opinion for those who care. Personally, I don't think games affect any except those that are easily impressionable. My only concern is when we start having virtual reality games as more commonplace in the future where you are literally the one committing the violence in the first person, and it actually feels like it is reality vs watching a screen and knowing the difference.
Thats a good point tbh, at the moment, violence in games is very much at 'arms length', and even in games rated 18+ its not so realistic as to suggest to the person playing, that it is in any way, shape, or form real. If we ever reach a technological state where the 'holodeck' becomes a thing, then perhaps that might be the time to review this particular topic again, though chances are the technology for holodecks won't be developed in my lifetime at least, i think games will have changed significantly within that time frame, but if it were to be developed 'tomorrow' i am not sure i would be comfortable however, playing even a game such as WoW in such an environment as a holodeck would entail.
Il just say this...... In neighborhoods where kids didn't have video games kids were way more violent... Then other kids that did play video games. Only person to get ideas from a video game and to try them in reality is a person that was already violent.
The idea is about the environment in which a child is raised and what he is subjected to. If a kid is raised to think that being violent is the answer to problems and strongly influenced by things such as parents, uncle, friends, media, then that child will more then likely end up violent. There are always anomalies. Which is why in gangster territory you see more people acting like gangsters then you do in other territories. Because the environment is influenced those people. Now look at those people who try to run from the police and crash down the interstate with all their tires blown out. They get caught and thrown in jail if not killed. Those people watched a movie and thought they could get away like they do in all the movies. Or they been listening to some drugged out family member talk about how glorious it is to be a drug dealer not realizing that getting a normal job like a normal person will pay more and get them more in life.
I learned a lot of things as a kid that I readily reject as an adult. Hiding kids from violence isnt going to protect them, its going to stunt them. ...
disagree. However
1. nobody is suggesting hiding it, people are suggesting that maybe we are over the fuck saturated with it. I honestly do not know how kids know about anything OTHER than violence anymore these days.
2. Killing someone is not one of the top life lessons people need in their toolchest of life tools. Good job? check. How to not be an asshole? check. how to fill air in a tire? check. How to murder someone. yeah I am putting that low on live lessons list
Playing a video game doesnt 'prepare' you or teach you how to kill an individual anymore than playing NBA 2K16 teaches you how to make a jump shot. Perhaps if you read and responded to an entire idea it might save from attempting to use such terrible logic.
But then again, probably not.
having violence hidden from you does NOT . ..I repeat does NOT 'stunt' a persons growth.
Why? because violence is a very small part of your daily life and really has no berring on your life with or without it. which is what I said
In fact I would go as far as to say only media itself can get people to believe that violence on TV for people has no affect on them whatsoever but advertising makes sense
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
The United States Supreme Court examined the "science" seeking to link the playing of video games to violence, and rejected it in Brown v. EMA. The Court found that:
These studies
have been rejected by every court to consider them,and
with good reason: They do not prove that violent video games cause minors to act aggressively (which would at
least be a beginning). Instead, “[n]early all of the research
is based on correlation, not evidence of causation, and
most of the studies suffer from significant, admitted flaws
in methodology.” Id.
And the courts used to say black people were property and could not stand in judgment of a white person. Government told us DDT was safe, lead was a marvel of the industrial age. We are learning every day that we didn't know as much as we thought we once did. We got there by challenging what was thought as common knowledge.
I think the problem there is that you are confusing peoples opinions at the time, with how opinions changed. Frankly the opinions of some that depicted violence leads to actual violence really belongs in that same age, its a hidebound logic that, as the judge in question correctly identified, has no bearing in reality, its just misguided opinions of those, who frankly seem to have little better to do with their lives, strictly a first world problem tbh.
Its actually fact its "An opinion of the court" That how they put it. Its all opinions. Fact is if we didnt keep challenging opinions, in this world we would still be doing a lot of messed up things. IMO, letting kids play/watch adult content is one of those messed up things.
The United States Supreme Court examined the "science" seeking to link the playing of video games to violence, and rejected it in Brown v. EMA. The Court found that:
These studies
have been rejected by every court to consider them,and
with good reason: They do not prove that violent video games cause minors to act aggressively (which would at
least be a beginning). Instead, “[n]early all of the research
is based on correlation, not evidence of causation, and
most of the studies suffer from significant, admitted flaws
in methodology.” Id.
And the courts used to say black people were property and could not stand in judgment of a white person. Government told us DDT was safe, lead was a marvel of the industrial age. We are learning every day that we didn't know as much as we thought we once did. We got there by challenging what was thought as common knowledge.
I think the problem there is that you are confusing peoples opinions at the time, with how opinions changed. Frankly the opinions of some that depicted violence leads to actual violence really belongs in that same age, its a hidebound logic that, as the judge in question correctly identified, has no bearing in reality, its just misguided opinions of those, who frankly seem to have little better to do with their lives, strictly a first world problem tbh.
Its actually fact its "An opinion of the court" That how they put it. Its all opinions. Fact is if we didnt keep challenging opinions, in this world we would still be doing a lot of messed up things. IMO, letting kids play/watch adult content is one of those messed up things.
although ironically a child would likely be more prepared for the world watching porn then they would watching violence. They are more likely to have sex then be in a situation where they need the life lessons literally or metaphorically of violence
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
The United States Supreme Court examined the "science" seeking to link the playing of video games to violence, and rejected it in Brown v. EMA. The Court found that:
These studies
have been rejected by every court to consider them,and
with good reason: They do not prove that violent video games cause minors to act aggressively (which would at
least be a beginning). Instead, “[n]early all of the research
is based on correlation, not evidence of causation, and
most of the studies suffer from significant, admitted flaws
in methodology.” Id.
And the courts used to say black people were property and could not stand in judgment of a white person. Government told us DDT was safe, lead was a marvel of the industrial age. We are learning every day that we didn't know as much as we thought we once did. We got there by challenging what was thought as common knowledge.
I think the problem there is that you are confusing peoples opinions at the time, with how opinions changed. Frankly the opinions of some that depicted violence leads to actual violence really belongs in that same age, its a hidebound logic that, as the judge in question correctly identified, has no bearing in reality, its just misguided opinions of those, who frankly seem to have little better to do with their lives, strictly a first world problem tbh.
Its actually fact its "An opinion of the court" That how they put it. Its all opinions. Fact is if we didnt keep challenging opinions, in this world we would still be doing a lot of messed up things. IMO, letting kids play/watch adult content is one of those messed up things.
although ironically a child would likely be more prepared for the world watching porn then they would watching violence. They are more likely to have sex then be in a situation where they need the life lessons literally or metaphorically of violence
Hell no. That would be a twisted way to teach a kid the values of the opposite sex and how they should be treated. But thats a topic for another thread. You dont want to hear my opinion on porn.
although ironically a child would likely be more prepared for the world watching porn then they would watching violence. They are more likely to have sex then be in a situation where they need the life lessons literally or metaphorically of violence
Hell no. That would be a twisted way to teach a kid the values of the opposite sex and how they should be treated. But thats a topic for another thread. You dont want to hear my opinion on porn.
I am not advocating it I am saying it is ironically more valuable then violence because your chance of needing life lessons of violence or to learn that the world is a violent place as a life skill is much lower than that of sex.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I learned a lot of things as a kid that I readily reject as an adult. Hiding kids from violence isnt going to protect them, its going to stunt them. ...
disagree. However
1. nobody is suggesting hiding it, people are suggesting that maybe we are over the fuck saturated with it. I honestly do not know how kids know about anything OTHER than violence anymore these days.
2. Killing someone is not one of the top life lessons people need in their toolchest of life tools. Good job? check. How to not be an asshole? check. how to fill air in a tire? check. How to murder someone. yeah I am putting that low on live lessons list
Playing a video game doesnt 'prepare' you or teach you how to kill an individual anymore than playing NBA 2K16 teaches you how to make a jump shot. Perhaps if you read and responded to an entire idea it might save from attempting to use such terrible logic.
But then again, probably not.
having violence hidden from you does NOT . ..I repeat does NOT 'stunt' a persons growth.
Why? because violence is a very small part of your daily life and really has no berring on your life with or without it. which is what I said
In fact I would go as far as to say only media itself can get people to believe that violence on TV for people has no affect on them whatsoever but advertising makes sense
Can't tell if serious. The entire universe is violent, nature is violent, every human being has done something (many) things that are considered violent. You somehow you think tv and video game violence is way different. Well it is different, it isn't -real-. Children know the difference between real and make believe way before theyre old enough to even have a concept of death or inflicting harm. From the moment they have their first favourite stuffed animal that they name, theyre aware of the difference between living breathing things, and madeup shit.
It is literally the initial universal concept that every child learns that is essential and as far as we know unique to the human experience.
If you shelter your child from all the violence in the world, their imagination can invent much more terrible and damaging rationalization for something they have no context of. How do you teach a child that violence against innocent people is bad, if they have no fucking clue what you're talking about because they dont know what violence is? Its like the huge dinosaur kept in captivity that has no idea of what it is, is capable of, or its place in the world. If youre sending your kid to school the first day and you havent told him about when its ok to fight and when its not ok, then its your fault if he really hurts or gets hurt by someone elses child. Because you havent socially prepared him for life with other human beings.
I learned a lot of things as a kid that I readily reject as an adult. Hiding kids from violence isnt going to protect them, its going to stunt them. ...
disagree. However
1. nobody is suggesting hiding it, people are suggesting that maybe we are over the fuck saturated with it. I honestly do not know how kids know about anything OTHER than violence anymore these days.
2. Killing someone is not one of the top life lessons people need in their toolchest of life tools. Good job? check. How to not be an asshole? check. how to fill air in a tire? check. How to murder someone. yeah I am putting that low on live lessons list
Playing a video game doesnt 'prepare' you or teach you how to kill an individual anymore than playing NBA 2K16 teaches you how to make a jump shot. Perhaps if you read and responded to an entire idea it might save from attempting to use such terrible logic.
But then again, probably not.
having violence hidden from you does NOT . ..I repeat does NOT 'stunt' a persons growth.
Why? because violence is a very small part of your daily life and really has no berring on your life with or without it. which is what I said
In fact I would go as far as to say only media itself can get people to believe that violence on TV for people has no affect on them whatsoever but advertising makes sense
Can't tell if serious. The entire universe is violent, nature is violent, every human being has done something (many) things that are considered violent. You somehow you think tv and video game violence is way different. Well it is different, it isn't -real-. Children know the difference between real and make believe way before theyre old enough to even have a concept of death or inflicting harm. From the moment they have their first favourite stuffed animal that they name, theyre aware of the difference between living breathing things, and madeup shit.
It is literally the initial universal concept that every child learns that is essential and as far as we know unique to the human experience.
If you shelter your child from all the violence in the world, their imagination can invent much more terrible and damaging rationalization for something they have no context of. How do you teach a child that violence against innocent people is bad, if they have no fucking clue what you're talking about because they dont know what violence is? Its like the huge dinosaur kept in captivity that has no idea of what it is, is capable of, or its place in the world. If youre sending your kid to school the first day and you havent told him about when its ok to fight and when its not ok, then its your fault if he really hurts or gets hurt by someone elses child. Because you havent socially prepared him for life with other human beings.
I am dead serious.
What a child needs is the life lessons that they personally are going to ACTIVELY use. Do they need to know how to murder someone? no do they need to know people want to kill them in their neighborhood and how to protect themselves? no because its very likely those neighboors dont.
Do they need to understand violence as an abstraction that happens elsewhere in their life? not really because its so far removed it nearly has zero value to them personally
do they need to know how to properly have sex? yes
Shielding someone from a highly disputed abstraction of what happens elsewhere is not NEARLY as important as learning the skills you need to actively engage yourself in. So unless they need to know how to murder someone then no, its not that important.
Did you know that the average americans perception of crime is WAY off because of TV. violent crime rates are not nearly as high as people think
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
The western world is far LESS violent now with the most gory films, children and young teens having unlimited access to the internet and computer games being the most realistic and violent than ever before.
If there was a link there would of been a massive increase in real world violence, there isn't at all.
I'm so sick of this being brought up when the most basic research into crime figures show it's nonsense.
I learned a lot of things as a kid that I readily reject as an adult. Hiding kids from violence isnt going to protect them, its going to stunt them. ...
disagree. However
1. nobody is suggesting hiding it, people are suggesting that maybe we are over the fuck saturated with it. I honestly do not know how kids know about anything OTHER than violence anymore these days.
2. Killing someone is not one of the top life lessons people need in their toolchest of life tools. Good job? check. How to not be an asshole? check. how to fill air in a tire? check. How to murder someone. yeah I am putting that low on live lessons list
Playing a video game doesnt 'prepare' you or teach you how to kill an individual anymore than playing NBA 2K16 teaches you how to make a jump shot. Perhaps if you read and responded to an entire idea it might save from attempting to use such terrible logic.
But then again, probably not.
having violence hidden from you does NOT . ..I repeat does NOT 'stunt' a persons growth.
Why? because violence is a very small part of your daily life and really has no berring on your life with or without it. which is what I said
In fact I would go as far as to say only media itself can get people to believe that violence on TV for people has no affect on them whatsoever but advertising makes sense
Can't tell if serious. The entire universe is violent, nature is violent, every human being has done something (many) things that are considered violent. You somehow you think tv and video game violence is way different. Well it is different, it isn't -real-. Children know the difference between real and make believe way before theyre old enough to even have a concept of death or inflicting harm. From the moment they have their first favourite stuffed animal that they name, theyre aware of the difference between living breathing things, and madeup shit.
It is literally the initial universal concept that every child learns that is essential and as far as we know unique to the human experience.
If you shelter your child from all the violence in the world, their imagination can invent much more terrible and damaging rationalization for something they have no context of. How do you teach a child that violence against innocent people is bad, if they have no fucking clue what you're talking about because they dont know what violence is? Its like the huge dinosaur kept in captivity that has no idea of what it is, is capable of, or its place in the world. If youre sending your kid to school the first day and you havent told him about when its ok to fight and when its not ok, then its your fault if he really hurts or gets hurt by someone elses child. Because you havent socially prepared him for life with other human beings.
I am dead serious.
SJW's usually are. Unfortunately that doesnt make what you're saying more credible. It actually just makes it pretty sad.
If you want to raise a bunch of demented addle brained pseudo mormon mutants, I suppose that's your business. Just dont get upset at me or anyone else when he goes full Bobby Boucher and tells the class WW2 history scares him because theyre using magic boomspears that cause him to piss himself, or that the school security guard is there to makes sure the closet goblins dont steal his hippie lunch pouch. All on you brah.
The western world is far LESS violent now with the most gory films, children and young teens having unlimited access to the internet and computer games being the most realistic and violent than ever before.
If there was a link there would of been a massive increase in real world violence, there isn't at all.
I'm so sick of this being brought up when the most basic research into crime figures show it's nonsense.
For me personally its not a question of cause and effect. Its a mater of over the fuck balz saturation. I am not advocating removing violence from TV I personally am adovating that those in the creatives stop dry humping violence as if its the only way to tell a story
also as far as the kids go if they watch TV their perception of how violent the REAL world is would be WAAAAAYY out of wack
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
SJW's usually are. Unfortunately that doesnt make what you're saying more credible. It actually just makes it pretty sad.
If you want to raise a bunch of demented addle brained pseudo mormon mutants, I suppose that's your business. Just dont get upset at me or anyone else when he goes full Bobby Boucher and tells the class WW2 history scares him because theyre using magic boomspears that cause him to piss himself, or that the school security guard is there to makes sure the closet goblins dont steal his hippie lunch pouch. All on you brah.
Oh please.
First of all, you will find the "serious ones" are on any side of an argument. Whether they are backing a conservative agenda or liberal doesn't matter.
Additionally, just because someone is liberal (or even conservative) doesn't mean they have their heads in the sand. Even if they are "Mormons". I know a few Mormons and some of them are the greatest and most educated people you will ever meet. I'm starting to think that some gamers need to get out more and start actually talking to people in the world instead of thinking that cliches tell the whole story. They don't.
All you have done is shown how ignorant you are and which side of the coin you reside. In truth, I'm thinking that you really aren't and this was just a post coming out of some frustrated, emotional place.
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I think figuring out why some people are violent is a complex problem. While video game violence may be a contributing factor, I am sure there are a million other things that are contributing as well. Not sure why music, television, and video games take the brunt of it.
Mental health has been taking a heavy focus in America with the amount of school shootings we have, and other similar tragedies. People want answers and fixes. I just hope it leads to further development in psychology, psychiatry, and proper treatment. I can see it going the other way and fear taking over where we reopen mental hospitals that act as prisons for the mentally ill instead of a focus on healing and rehabilitation.
Basically clicking away text windows ruins every MMO, try to have fun instead of rushing things. Without story and lore all there is left is a bunch of mechanics.
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Unless you think that the neighborhood is poor because people play too little video games.
This isn't a signature, you just think it is.
Saying video games cause violence is like saying reading lord of the rings where they climbed a mountain will cause you to climbed the himalayas.
Violent video games are usually not about the violence.
In shooting games it's much more about team work and strategy.
Some people get competitive so they start to trash talk, but that's common for any competitive scene.
Basically clicking away text windows ruins every MMO, try to have fun instead of rushing things. Without story and lore all there is left is a bunch of mechanics.
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It's always the self-proclaimed "experts" trying to get you to buy their books or fund their research/retirement accounts, hiding their greed with a false moralism.
Not to mention any popular references to psychopathy, evoked by people, who are not familiar with the way in which the inventories work and are worked with. A lot of social power at work in there. A lot that is worth more transparent discussion, and a lot of need for understanding history of science and borrowed epistemological gears and cogs.
On a more personal note - while I recognise that it's obviously not directly commensurable in relation to statistical, or clinical, arguments - I've essentially only known peaceful nerds in my lifetime of violent gaming (including early titles such as Commando Libya (C64), and Harvester (PC)). Any threat of violence has always totally come from elsewhere, from people other than avid gamers. There is obviously more to this, but there is most likely also more to the "scientific proof". Myself, I'm a dedicated PvPer with a decades long history in violent gaming: I love the consensual sense of competitive threat, I love that someone gets decimated in a game, yet both IRL and in game sociality I'm still a dedicated feminist, and very concerned about things like non-violence, social power, fair play, mutuality and sociocultural standpoint. Just saying.
If we ever reach a technological state where the 'holodeck' becomes a thing, then perhaps that might be the time to review this particular topic again, though chances are the technology for holodecks won't be developed in my lifetime at least, i think games will have changed significantly within that time frame, but if it were to be developed 'tomorrow' i am not sure i would be comfortable however, playing even a game such as WoW in such an environment as a holodeck would entail.
Why? because violence is a very small part of your daily life and really has no berring on your life with or without it. which is what I said
In fact I would go as far as to say only media itself can get people to believe that violence on TV for people has no affect on them whatsoever but advertising makes sense
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
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Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
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It is literally the initial universal concept that every child learns that is essential and as far as we know unique to the human experience.
If you shelter your child from all the violence in the world, their imagination can invent much more terrible and damaging rationalization for something they have no context of. How do you teach a child that violence against innocent people is bad, if they have no fucking clue what you're talking about because they dont know what violence is? Its like the huge dinosaur kept in captivity that has no idea of what it is, is capable of, or its place in the world. If youre sending your kid to school the first day and you havent told him about when its ok to fight and when its not ok, then its your fault if he really hurts or gets hurt by someone elses child. Because you havent socially prepared him for life with other human beings.
What a child needs is the life lessons that they personally are going to ACTIVELY use. Do they need to know how to murder someone? no do they need to know people want to kill them in their neighborhood and how to protect themselves? no because its very likely those neighboors dont.
Do they need to understand violence as an abstraction that happens elsewhere in their life? not really because its so far removed it nearly has zero value to them personally
do they need to know how to properly have sex? yes
Shielding someone from a highly disputed abstraction of what happens elsewhere is not NEARLY as important as learning the skills you need to actively engage yourself in. So unless they need to know how to murder someone then no, its not that important.
Did you know that the average americans perception of crime is WAY off because of TV. violent crime rates are not nearly as high as people think
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
The western world is far LESS violent now with the most gory films, children and young teens having unlimited access to the internet and computer games being the most realistic and violent than ever before.
If there was a link there would of been a massive increase in real world violence, there isn't at all.
I'm so sick of this being brought up when the most basic research into crime figures show it's nonsense.
If you want to raise a bunch of demented addle brained pseudo mormon mutants, I suppose that's your business. Just dont get upset at me or anyone else when he goes full Bobby Boucher and tells the class WW2 history scares him because theyre using magic boomspears that cause him to piss himself, or that the school security guard is there to makes sure the closet goblins dont steal his hippie lunch pouch. All on you brah.
also as far as the kids go if they watch TV their perception of how violent the REAL world is would be WAAAAAYY out of wack
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
First of all, you will find the "serious ones" are on any side of an argument. Whether they are backing a conservative agenda or liberal doesn't matter.
Additionally, just because someone is liberal (or even conservative) doesn't mean they have their heads in the sand. Even if they are "Mormons". I know a few Mormons and some of them are the greatest and most educated people you will ever meet. I'm starting to think that some gamers need to get out more and start actually talking to people in the world instead of thinking that cliches tell the whole story. They don't.
All you have done is shown how ignorant you are and which side of the coin you reside. In truth, I'm thinking that you really aren't and this was just a post coming out of some frustrated, emotional place.
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