Stating a fact about someone who puts himself in the public eye can it really be called harassment? Now if you keep putting forth lies toward that person then you can sue the person for it, but if the person is making statements that are untrue and you call them out on that it isn't harassment!
So unless you guys can show any statement from Smart that wasn't true or didn't deal with statements she made can you really blame him? Also there is no proof Smart went looking for these pictures of her, he just stated it was out there from goons. Also retweeting a picture from an actor's site I disagree that is doxing, harassment or whatever else you would like to call it.
This all comes down to Star Citizen and if they are wasting backer money, not having the game done after Roberts calling for the game's release then going back on it. That is all it is and yet people would love to argue it's all Smarts fault. Yes you really can't make this stuff up, just amazing and yet very entertaining.
I think what makes this whole thing entertaining is the extreme difference both sides go with.
I'll just go right ahead and let you know that harassment doesn't have anything to do with the nature of the evidence surrounding the attack. Again, I'll go back to my previous example of Rachel. If Rachel is a slut in the office and everyone knows it, that doesn't mean that you can continuously and maliciously attack her at work over her sleeping with people. While it might be true that she slept with 10 people in the office, you can't, for lack of a better word, harass her about it or you will get you shit-canned. Feel free to put it to the test, though.
Taking your hypothesis then Rachel would never be the VP of marketing. Wouldn't matter how good she is it would be looked down on in upper management! Unless of course you are married to the CEO, which is exactly why they hid it.
His example was not about whether Rachel would be VP of X division or not. His hypothesis was about you or anyone else having the right or not to harass, attack or abuse her simply because she sleeps with different people.
Are you in position to elaborate on this simple reasoning or not ?
Obviously you are not since you twisted Craz's writing into something irrelevant and out of context.
Note: you should put Clint Eastwood back as your avatar. It would make things easier for us.
>>>>But the film did so bad they never released it overseas. >>>
Wrong again.
I already told you that i saw it in a cinema in Austria.
But it you do not have to believe me. Open Google. Search for "Filmkritik Wing Commander". Various reviews of the movie from German and Austrian cinemas. You can translate it with Google Translator if you want.
Strange, because you claimed it never released overseas.
*** Gasp *** could you be ..... <dramatic pause>> WRONG ?!!!1!! <<flourish >>
This just infuriates me. People can claim all day long that this has nothing to do with gender but that is categorically untrue. It has everything to do with the fact that she's a female. Stir in a helping of being a visible personality, Chris Roberts' wife and a member of the Star Citizen team and it's like the perfect storm for haters.
Ugh. I hope they figure out who it is and sue the ever-living crap out of them.
So you don't know who is doing it or why yet you know for a fact it's becuase she is a woman? /facepalm
I find it funny how Erillion keeps saying he seen it in Austria. So let's take that as fact. If true then it was shown free because the link I provided always posts money made on every movie made. Yet we need to say that site is wrong and lie's because we all know Erillion always tells the truth. Amazing!
Sometimes it's not always about what you can see or hear but what's under the hood of a game that's most impressive. Between those thousands and thousands of lines of code, magic happens. Sometimes the most amazing feats of gaming wizardry happen without you even noticing.
I find it funny how Erillion keeps saying he seen it in Austria. So let's take that as fact. If true then it was shown free because the link I provided always posts money made on every movie made. Yet we need to say that site is wrong and lie's because we all know Erillion always tells the truth. Amazing!
Something is funky cause IMDB has international region distributors listed. If the film was never internationally released they would not be there.
Stating a fact about someone who puts himself in the public eye can it really be called harassment? Now if you keep putting forth lies toward that person then you can sue the person for it, but if the person is making statements that are untrue and you call them out on that it isn't harassment!
So unless you guys can show any statement from Smart that wasn't true or didn't deal with statements she made can you really blame him? Also there is no proof Smart went looking for these pictures of her, he just stated it was out there from goons. Also retweeting a picture from an actor's site I disagree that is doxing, harassment or whatever else you would like to call it.
This all comes down to Star Citizen and if they are wasting backer money, not having the game done after Roberts calling for the game's release then going back on it. That is all it is and yet people would love to argue it's all Smarts fault. Yes you really can't make this stuff up, just amazing and yet very entertaining.
I think what makes this whole thing entertaining is the extreme difference both sides go with.
I'll just go right ahead and let you know that harassment doesn't have anything to do with the nature of the evidence surrounding the attack. Again, I'll go back to my previous example of Rachel. If Rachel is a slut in the office and everyone knows it, that doesn't mean that you can continuously and maliciously attack her at work over her sleeping with people. While it might be true that she slept with 10 people in the office, you can't, for lack of a better word, harass her about it or you will get you shit-canned. Feel free to put it to the test, though.
Taking your hypothesis then Rachel would never be the VP of marketing. Wouldn't matter how good she is it would be looked down on in upper management! Unless of course you are married to the CEO, which is exactly why they hid it.
She very well might be. It's funny how you believe that executives somehow have zero skeletons. Executives are powerful and if you think that they don't use or abuse that power at times then you're hilariously misinformed or have never been a part of an office. Oh my god!! Just look at Jack Welch. Arguably one of the most successful CEOs of all time. Classic sexist, cheated on his wife, and so on and so forth.
I find it funny how Erillion keeps saying he seen it in Austria. So let's take that as fact. If true then it was shown free because the link I provided always posts money made on every movie made. Yet we need to say that site is wrong and lie's because we all know Erillion always tells the truth. Amazing!
Something is funky cause IMDB has international region distributors listed. If the film was never internationally released they would not be there.
Like I said they pick the dates for release before film's release, at least that is how I was always told it worked. But I guess we can say WC was such a flop they refuse to add the little money it made overseas.
Sometimes it's not always about what you can see or hear but what's under the hood of a game that's most impressive. Between those thousands and thousands of lines of code, magic happens. Sometimes the most amazing feats of gaming wizardry happen without you even noticing.
Sometimes it's not always about what you can see or hear but what's under the hood of a game that's most impressive. Between those thousands and thousands of lines of code, magic happens. Sometimes the most amazing feats of gaming wizardry happen without you even noticing.
That is it, it's easy as show there that the only returned value was before any of those release dates, hear by it does not include any profits made on those, neither none made until today.
So much drama for a simple conclusion, the timeframe there proves it.
A website that only lists the US domestic gross box office score. Not the worldwide box office score.
The explanation (from the link above) for the error could be this: "..... several times movie studios sell international distribution rights to other companies."
"...Durch die weltweite Vermarktung der Filmrechte sowie die
DVD-Veröffentlichung und dem Verkauf der Fernsehrechte und
Merchandising-Produkte (u. a. Spielfiguren und Raumschiffe) hat der Film
aber nach einiger Zeit doch noch die Gewinnschwelle erreicht."
Translation:
"...through worldwide marketing of the movie rights, DVD sales and selling the TV rights, plus merchandising products (e.g. toy figures and space ships) the movie was able to reach the break-even point after some time."
A website that only lists the US domestic gross box office score. Not the worldwide box office score.
The explanation (from the link above) for the error could be this: "..... several times movie studios sell international distribution rights to other companies."
Have fun
Still knocking other people for the undoubtedly reliable information they provide and still not providing any financial information of your own. In this case who was the mythical international distributor and how much did they pay for the international rights?
Looking forward to your figures.
Have fun doing the research, take as long as you like.
The really strange thing about this whole argument is that Roberts' income was likely unaffected by the flop. He and everyone else got paid that worked on the movie. Perhaps he never received some small amount of royalties because it flopped, but it's not like his finances were affected in any major way by it.
A website that only lists the US domestic gross box office score. Not the worldwide box office score.
The explanation (from the link above) for the error could be this: "..... several times movie studios sell international distribution rights to other companies."
Have fun
Still knocking other people for the undoubtedly reliable information they provide and still not providing any financial information of your own. In this case who was the mythical international distributor and how much did they pay for the international rights?
Looking forward to your figures.
Have fun doing the research, take as long as you like.
Cmon you know very well that this info is very hard to come by. WC was in the theaters in more than 20 countries outside the U.S. I saw it in Italy.
Did it flop wold wide like in the U.S ? Of course it did since it sucked.
The reliable info you're referring to considers only the U.S domestic gross score.
No one knows how exactly it fared outside the U.S. We know that it did poorly being a crappy movie of course but we do not have exact numbers.
My personal estimate is that the worldwide gross is similar to the U.S one.
The really strange thing about this whole argument is that Roberts' income was likely unaffected by the flop. He and everyone else got paid that worked on the movie. Perhaps he never received some small amount of royalties because it flopped, but it's not like his finances were affected in any major way by it.
Furthermore people forget that he was the producer of Lucky Number Slevin and Lord of War.
Still knocking other people for the undoubtedly reliable information they provide and still not providing any financial information of your own. In this case who was the mythical international distributor and how much did they pay for the international rights?
Looking forward to your figures.
Have fun doing the research, take as long as you like.
But the more interesting thing is, are you really discussing if Wing Commander was good? Because if it made money or not doesn't matter. If they weren't completely stupid it didnt make profit. Heck look at Star Wars, iirc the first movies haven't made any profit yet.
And I think it is rather off topic to discuss that here. So to stay on topic, was anyone able yet to point to some of the flame posts that made her leave? Sure some people don't like her and probably said so but I wasn't able to find something that would we worse than an average youtube video comment. Im just curious what made her quit now after all the stuff SC had to take over the years.
The really strange thing about this whole argument is that Roberts' income was likely unaffected by the flop. He and everyone else got paid that worked on the movie. Perhaps he never received some small amount of royalties because it flopped, but it's not like his finances were affected in any major way by it.
Furthermore people forget that he was the producer of Lucky Number Slevin and Lord of War.
thought I'd correct this for you Shodanas:
Furthermore people forget that he was one of the 36 producer's of Lucky Number Slevin and Lord of War.
(IMDb can supply you with all their names)
“Nevertheless, the human brain, which survives by hoping from one second to another, will always endeavor to put off the moment of truth. Moist” ― Terry Pratchett, Making Money
"...Durch die weltweite Vermarktung der Filmrechte sowie die
DVD-Veröffentlichung und dem Verkauf der Fernsehrechte und
Merchandising-Produkte (u. a. Spielfiguren und Raumschiffe) hat der Film
aber nach einiger Zeit doch noch die Gewinnschwelle erreicht."
Translation:
"...through worldwide marketing of the movie rights, DVD sales and selling the TV rights, plus merchandising products (e.g. toy figures and space ships) the movie was able to reach the break-even point after some time."
Have fun
Using Wikipedia for your facts is like getting your SC facts via Derek Smart: Unreliable at best.
"...Durch die weltweite Vermarktung der Filmrechte sowie die
DVD-Veröffentlichung und dem Verkauf der Fernsehrechte und
Merchandising-Produkte (u. a. Spielfiguren und Raumschiffe) hat der Film
aber nach einiger Zeit doch noch die Gewinnschwelle erreicht."
Translation:
"...through worldwide marketing of the movie rights, DVD sales and selling the TV rights, plus merchandising products (e.g. toy figures and space ships) the movie was able to reach the break-even point after some time."
Have fun
Using Wikipedia for your facts is like getting your SC facts via Derek Smart: Unreliable at best.
Just saying.
or like getting release dates from Chris Roberts :awesome:
The really strange thing about this whole argument is that Roberts' income was likely unaffected by the flop. He and everyone else got paid that worked on the movie. Perhaps he never received some small amount of royalties because it flopped, but it's not like his finances were affected in any major way by it.
Furthermore people forget that he was the producer of Lucky Number Slevin and Lord of War.
Roberts was one of at least 15(!) producer credits for Lucky Number Slevin. You have no idea what he actually did for or on the film.
We know he was the Big Cheese in the Wing Commander movie, and it sucked in so many different ways. It was so terrible that Roberts never returned to directing.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
Still knocking other people for the undoubtedly reliable information they provide and still not providing any financial information of your own. In this case who was the mythical international distributor and how much did they pay for the international rights?
Looking forward to your figures.
Have fun doing the research, take as long as you like.
But the more interesting thing is, are you really discussing if Wing Commander was good? Because if it made money or not doesn't matter. If they weren't completely stupid it didnt make profit. Heck look at Star Wars, iirc the first movies haven't made any profit yet.
And I think it is rather off topic to discuss that here. So to stay on topic, was anyone able yet to point to some of the flame posts that made her leave? Sure some people don't like her and probably said so but I wasn't able to find something that would we worse than an average youtube video comment. Im just curious what made her quit now after all the stuff SC had to take over the years.
Regardless of the level of harassment, the timing of the announcement is suspect. But then I am tremendously skeptical of the competence of the top elements of CIG. So maybe she just got angry at something and decided to take her ball and go home. Quien sabe....
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
The really strange thing about this whole argument is that Roberts' income was likely unaffected by the flop. He and everyone else got paid that worked on the movie. Perhaps he never received some small amount of royalties because it flopped, but it's not like his finances were affected in any major way by it.
Furthermore people forget that he was the producer of Lucky Number Slevin and Lord of War.
Roberts was one of at least 15(!) producer credits for Lucky Number Slevin. You have no idea what he actually did for or on the film.
We know he was the Big Cheese in the Wing Commander movie, and it sucked in so many different ways. It was so terrible that Roberts never returned to directing.
Well we know for sure she is still using FB to use like! Really think this has all been blown out of context and just to create drama.
Sometimes it's not always about what you can see or hear but what's under the hood of a game that's most impressive. Between those thousands and thousands of lines of code, magic happens. Sometimes the most amazing feats of gaming wizardry happen without you even noticing.
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Are you in position to elaborate on this simple reasoning or not ?
Obviously you are not since you twisted Craz's writing into something irrelevant and out of context.
Note: you should put Clint Eastwood back as your avatar. It would make things easier for us.
>>>>But the film did so bad they never released it overseas. >>>
Wrong again.
I already told you that i saw it in a cinema in Austria.
But it you do not have to believe me. Open Google. Search for "Filmkritik Wing Commander". Various reviews of the movie from German and Austrian cinemas. You can translate it with Google Translator if you want.
Strange, because you claimed it never released overseas.
*** Gasp *** could you be ..... <dramatic pause>> WRONG ?!!!1!! <<flourish >>
Have fun
Rob Manuel
She very well might be. It's funny how you believe that executives somehow have zero skeletons. Executives are powerful and if you think that they don't use or abuse that power at times then you're hilariously misinformed or have never been a part of an office. Oh my god!! Just look at Jack Welch. Arguably one of the most successful CEOs of all time. Classic sexist, cheated on his wife, and so on and so forth.
Crazkanuk
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So much drama for a simple conclusion, the timeframe there proves it.
A website that only lists the US domestic gross box office score. Not the worldwide box office score.
The explanation (from the link above) for the error could be this:
"..... several times movie studios sell international distribution rights to other companies."
Have fun
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wing_Commander_(Film)
"...Durch die weltweite Vermarktung der Filmrechte sowie die DVD-Veröffentlichung und dem Verkauf der Fernsehrechte und Merchandising-Produkte (u. a. Spielfiguren und Raumschiffe) hat der Film aber nach einiger Zeit doch noch die Gewinnschwelle erreicht."
Translation:
"...through worldwide marketing of the movie rights, DVD sales and selling the TV rights, plus merchandising products (e.g. toy figures and space ships) the movie was able to reach the break-even point after some time."
Have fun
Looking forward to your figures.
Have fun doing the research, take as long as you like.
Did it flop wold wide like in the U.S ? Of course it did since it sucked.
The reliable info you're referring to considers only the U.S domestic gross score.
No one knows how exactly it fared outside the U.S. We know that it did poorly being a crappy movie of course but we do not have exact numbers.
My personal estimate is that the worldwide gross is similar to the U.S one.
But the more interesting thing is, are you really discussing if Wing Commander was good? Because if it made money or not doesn't matter. If they weren't completely stupid it didnt make profit. Heck look at Star Wars, iirc the first movies haven't made any profit yet.
And I think it is rather off topic to discuss that here. So to stay on topic, was anyone able yet to point to some of the flame posts that made her leave? Sure some people don't like her and probably said so but I wasn't able to find something that would we worse than an average youtube video comment. Im just curious what made her quit now after all the stuff SC had to take over the years.
Furthermore people forget that he was one of the 36 producer's of Lucky Number Slevin and Lord of War.
(IMDb can supply you with all their names)
― Terry Pratchett, Making Money
Just saying.
or like getting release dates from Chris Roberts :awesome:
Roberts was one of at least 15(!) producer credits for Lucky Number Slevin. You have no idea what he actually did for or on the film.
We know he was the Big Cheese in the Wing Commander movie, and it sucked in so many different ways. It was so terrible that Roberts never returned to directing.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
Rob Manuel