As someone who is unhappy with how so many F2P and B2P and subscription games become outright cash grabs, i have to agree, i'm now a bit more interested in the game than i was before. Will be keeping an eye on the progress of this game.
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As i am subbed to both Eve Online and FFXIV:ARR i think i'd have noticed if the games had become a cash grab, one of the reasons why i am less interested now in B2P games, and disinterested in F2P games at all, is because they have repeatedly proven to be all about the $$, and not about their customers, the players.
I thought of adding a rider such as "there are exceptions" but didn't bother since you had qualified your statement with the phrase "so many".
And whilst there are subscription games that do not have a cash shop there are others that do. It has been a sore point in e.g. WoW.
As someone who is unhappy with how so many F2P and B2P and subscription games become outright cash grabs, i have to agree, i'm now a bit more interested in the game than i was before. Will be keeping an eye on the progress of this game.
Fixed!
As i am subbed to both Eve Online and FFXIV:ARR i think i'd have noticed if the games had become a cash grab, one of the reasons why i am less interested now in B2P games, and disinterested in F2P games at all, is because they have repeatedly proven to be all about the $$, and not about their customers, the players.
I thought of adding a rider such as "there are exceptions" but didn't bother since you had qualified your statement with the phrase "so many".
And whilst there are subscription games that do not have a cash shop there are others that do. It has been a sore point in e.g. WoW.
Learn to love the Cash Shop, lol
Deus Ex: Mankind Devided launched yesterday. It's a single-player game. It also has a Cash Shop...
1- B2P ( we get a game price box hahahha these fools !! they think it better, we just charge them more !! ) 2- we add a cash shop realy not p2win the first 1-2 months 3- we go FREE TO PLAY ( everyone love free !! these fools !! ) 4- we adjust the cash shop ( we are poor, we are dev eating rice, give us more money !! ) 5- we cash in on whale and peoples before they notice your games p2win and we are liar 6- we drop the game
only good mmorpg are subs mmorpg, if you are poor enough to pay 20 a months change hobby. if you say subs dont work that only because dev earn more cash going f2p/p2win/b2p they care about money, they pick the option who give them the most money.
a good games = a good games , and peoples would subs to a good games
EVE works as a P2P game because CCP is content with a smallish niche audience. Which, IMO, is the correct mindset for MMO developers. DAoC is also still puttering along with a sub and a small niche audience and it's two year's older than EVE.
And Lineage is P2P as well with 3 million subscribers. Anyways, there are more P2P then just Wow and FFXIV, some more successful then others. And using different payment models then F2P/Freemium can be an advantage when almost all MMOs use the same model it makes your game stand out.
Of course, more then a few P2P games fail and change model, for some reason do games not good enough for a sub tend to do fine as F2P, I guess the F2P audience have less expectations and more patience with average to bad games.
Which was kind of my point. If a game properly serves it's target niche, such as L1, WOW, FFXIV, EVE and some others, it appears they can convince them to pay a monthly sub.
I don't believe a quality MMORPG needs to be driven by a f2P payment model, only subpar ones do and benefit from it.
I don't think it's as simple as par/sub-par. The companies' expectations about ROI are a bigger factor and F2P models or hybrids are just plain more profitable. We don't know if SWTOR was actually losing money or just not profitable enough according to EA's wishes when they made the decision to go F2P, but we do know they made much more money after they did.
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As someone who is unhappy with how so many F2P and B2P and subscription games become outright cash grabs, i have to agree, i'm now a bit more interested in the game than i was before. Will be keeping an eye on the progress of this game.
Fixed!
As i am subbed to both Eve Online and FFXIV:ARR i think i'd have noticed if the games had become a cash grab, one of the reasons why i am less interested now in B2P games, and disinterested in F2P games at all, is because they have repeatedly proven to be all about the $$, and not about their customers, the players.
I thought of adding a rider such as "there are exceptions" but didn't bother since you had qualified your statement with the phrase "so many".
And whilst there are subscription games that do not have a cash shop there are others that do. It has been a sore point in e.g. WoW.
Learn to love the Cash Shop, lol
Deus Ex: Mankind Devided launched yesterday. It's a single-player game. It also has a Cash Shop...
As someone who is unhappy with how so many F2P and B2P and subscription games become outright cash grabs, i have to agree, i'm now a bit more interested in the game than i was before. Will be keeping an eye on the progress of this game.
Fixed!
As i am subbed to both Eve Online and FFXIV:ARR i think i'd have noticed if the games had become a cash grab, one of the reasons why i am less interested now in B2P games, and disinterested in F2P games at all, is because they have repeatedly proven to be all about the $$, and not about their customers, the players.
I thought of adding a rider such as "there are exceptions" but didn't bother since you had qualified your statement with the phrase "so many".
And whilst there are subscription games that do not have a cash shop there are others that do. It has been a sore point in e.g. WoW.
Learn to love the Cash Shop, lol
Deus Ex: Mankind Devided launched yesterday. It's a single-player game. It also has a Cash Shop...
Single player games have had micro-transactions in them for at least 5 years now. You can thank EA.
As someone who is unhappy with how so many F2P and B2P and subscription games become outright cash grabs, i have to agree, i'm now a bit more interested in the game than i was before. Will be keeping an eye on the progress of this game.
Fixed!
As i am subbed to both Eve Online and FFXIV:ARR i think i'd have noticed if the games had become a cash grab, one of the reasons why i am less interested now in B2P games, and disinterested in F2P games at all, is because they have repeatedly proven to be all about the $$, and not about their customers, the players.
I thought of adding a rider such as "there are exceptions" but didn't bother since you had qualified your statement with the phrase "so many".
And whilst there are subscription games that do not have a cash shop there are others that do. It has been a sore point in e.g. WoW.
Learn to love the Cash Shop, lol
Deus Ex: Mankind Devided launched yesterday. It's a single-player game. It also has a Cash Shop...
Wow...
Whats in the cash shop? is it P2W?
This shit is just getting comical.
From what I've read there are several "convenience items" for sale for those gamer's who don't want to "waste time" looking for them in the game world !
UbiSoft obviously know their customers well, I'd never have imagined that people would be willing to buy boosts for a SPG, but I what do I know ?
EVE works as a P2P game because CCP is content with a smallish niche audience. Which, IMO, is the correct mindset for MMO developers. DAoC is also still puttering along with a sub and a small niche audience and it's two year's older than EVE.
And Lineage is P2P as well with 3 million subscribers. Anyways, there are more P2P then just Wow and FFXIV, some more successful then others. And using different payment models then F2P/Freemium can be an advantage when almost all MMOs use the same model it makes your game stand out.
Of course, more then a few P2P games fail and change model, for some reason do games not good enough for a sub tend to do fine as F2P, I guess the F2P audience have less expectations and more patience with average to bad games.
Which was kind of my point. If a game properly serves it's target niche, such as L1, WOW, FFXIV, EVE and some others, it appears they can convince them to pay a monthly sub.
I don't believe a quality MMORPG needs to be driven by a f2P payment model, only subpar ones do and benefit from it.
I agree as well to be honest. I'd be more than happy to pay a monthly sub for a top quality mmo. I'd also expect that the whole game and items be included in that sub.
I would also expect there to be no cash shop just the old fashion monthly sub.
As someone who is unhappy with how so many F2P and B2P and subscription games become outright cash grabs, i have to agree, i'm now a bit more interested in the game than i was before. Will be keeping an eye on the progress of this game.
Fixed!
As i am subbed to both Eve Online and FFXIV:ARR i think i'd have noticed if the games had become a cash grab, one of the reasons why i am less interested now in B2P games, and disinterested in F2P games at all, is because they have repeatedly proven to be all about the $$, and not about their customers, the players.
I thought of adding a rider such as "there are exceptions" but didn't bother since you had qualified your statement with the phrase "so many".
And whilst there are subscription games that do not have a cash shop there are others that do. It has been a sore point in e.g. WoW.
Learn to love the Cash Shop, lol
Deus Ex: Mankind Devided launched yesterday. It's a single-player game. It also has a Cash Shop...
Wow...
Whats in the cash shop? is it P2W?
This shit is just getting comical.
From what I've read there are several "convenience items" for sale for those gamer's who don't want to "waste time" looking for them in the game world !
UbiSoft obviously know their customers well, I'd never have imagined that people would be willing to buy boosts for a SPG, but I what do I know ?
Back in the Olden Days....
We would just play a game on "Easy" instead of "Normal" to achieve the same sort of results.
only good mmorpg are subs mmorpg, if you are poor enough to pay 20 a months change hobby. if you say subs dont work that only because dev earn more cash going f2p/p2win/b2p they care about money, they pick the option who give them the most money.
a good games = a good games , and peoples would subs to a good games
Name one MMO other than World of Warcraft or Eve Online that justifies a subscription. Go ahead. Name one.
There are no other subscription MMOs that outweigh the content of their f2p/b2p brethren. There are no other subscription MMOs that provide a more polished experience. The only difference between a subscription MMO and a buy to play MMO is a monthly price tag, which doesn't even protect you from cash shops most of the time nowadays.
To use your words "so many peoples are so damn stupid." And that's precisely why people still ask for subscription fees without first asking themselves "is this game worthy of one?"
only good mmorpg are subs mmorpg, if you are poor enough to pay 20 a months change hobby. if you say subs dont work that only because dev earn more cash going f2p/p2win/b2p they care about money, they pick the option who give them the most money.
a good games = a good games , and peoples would subs to a good games
Name one MMO other than World of Warcraft or Eve Online that justifies a subscription. Go ahead. Name one.
There are no other subscription MMOs that outweigh the content of their f2p/b2p brethren. There are no other subscription MMOs that provide a more polished experience. The only difference between a subscription MMO and a buy to play MMO is a monthly price tag, which doesn't even protect you from cash shops most of the time nowadays.
To use your words "so many peoples are so damn stupid." And that's precisely why people still ask for subscription fees without first asking themselves "is this game worthy of one?"
Isn't that subjective?
I mean, right off the bat Star Wars the Old Republic, in my opinion, could warrant a sub.
I've been playing Black Desert and I'd pay a sub for it as I really enjoy it. Final Fantasy 14 deserves a sub.
Edit: I'll also add Elder Scrolls Online.
Like Skyrim? Need more content? Try my Skyrim mod "Godfred's Tomb."
Name one MMO other than World of Warcraft or Eve Online that justifies a subscription. Go ahead. Name one.
Black Desert Online. Make it sub based, make everything available in game including costumes and armor looks, completely remove the cash shop, and I'll go back to it immediately for $15/Month. They could actually just make one server that way, and I'd go for it.
You forgot to mention more competent development with more transparency. Kind of important when you're paying a monthly fee for something - and you'll never get that from a published Asian MMO. (Not counting FFXIV here, as SE is more accustomed to handling its own global market.)
Name one MMO other than World of Warcraft or Eve Online that justifies a subscription. Go ahead. Name one.
Black Desert Online. Make it sub based, make everything available in game including costumes and armor looks, completely remove the cash shop, and I'll go back to it immediately for $15/Month. They could actually just make one server that way, and I'd go for it.
You forgot to mention more competent development with more transparency. Kind of important when you're paying a monthly fee for something - and you'll never get that from a published Asian MMO. (Not counting FFXIV here, as SE is more accustomed to handling its own global market.)
Considering the amount of free content their release regularly, and how they rather promptly fixed the ability to hack client side, I'd say the development team isn't that bad. It's always subjective, but as I said, I'd give $15/month for that game without the cash shop.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't said stream of content simply the NA version catching up with the Korean version? It's pretty easy to create the illusion of productivity when you're porting over existing content piece by piece. Just look at B&S. They are receiving frequent, large updates, but these are nothing more than content patches Korea has had for a while. The huge positive to this is that the NA scene should, in theory, receive well-tested patches, but that wellspring of easy content updates runs out eventually.
Good news Ill take as much time as I can get with this as a P2P before if goes F2P garbage. That's when I exit and let the unwashed masses come in to get fleeced.
Above lol, are you actually reading what they have said, B2p because it's coming out on consoles. [snip] Perhaps you we're not aware that the game was coming out on consoles.
What's your dev source on the cross platform release? I was hoping PC only, though all but one other game I play just now is also available on console, so I'd not be surprised to find out if you were right. But saying so without a source when no other of the articles on this website state that, and nothing I've read via /r/dnl has included that info. Did I over look something or miss it entirely?
Above lol, are you actually reading what they have said, B2p because it's coming out on consoles. [snip] Perhaps you we're not aware that the game was coming out on consoles.
What's your dev source on the cross platform release? I was hoping PC only, though all but one other game I play just now is also available on console, so I'd not be surprised to find out if you were right. But saying so without a source when no other of the articles on this website state that, and nothing I've read via /r/dnl has included that info. Did I over look something or miss it entirely?
The payment model doesn't guarantee a better game or more frequent updates. Just look at WoW, FFXIV, and EvE. Can anyone truly say they have better quality than a B2P or F2P game? GW2 and ESO both offer quality content despite their payment/access models.
Why would any new MMO be highly anticipated (except maybe from Blizzard if they would announce a new one)? The original game was very bad and completely failed when they released that buggy prerelease Settlers of Ganareth. This was during the time that people kept buying lifetime subs and preorders and the companies kept releasing shitty MMO's and breaking promises.
If you guys learned anything, you should be at least very wary about any promise from a MMO developing company and never , ever pre order a MMO again. This is not just burning money you don't care about, you would also fund the same marketing crap again and again.
So why not just wait untill they actually release something and people get to write reviews. Maybe at some point, when almost no one will preorder shitty MMO's anymore, they bring trials back.
The payment model doesn't guarantee a better game or more frequent updates. Just look at WoW, FFXIV, and EvE. Can anyone truly say they have better quality than a B2P or F2P game? GW2 and ESO both offer quality content despite their payment/access models.
WoW ....wod updates were lame and 1 year w/o content...now legion is about to release and Blizzards has said that they will not make the same mistake ...that content will come every few months (they say the same every time they release a expansion after woltk... )
but ffxiv still keep patching the game , they even put content on odd patches (before all content was added in 2.1 , 2.2 ect , now they put tons of cotent in 3.1 , 3.2 but add something in 3.25 , 3.35 ect) it keeps the game going , but they need to create lasting content , because MSQ and the chain quests are only 1 time and done... dungeons they only add 2 ...when they added 3 in 2.0
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And whilst there are subscription games that do not have a cash shop there are others that do. It has been a sore point in e.g. WoW.
Deus Ex: Mankind Devided launched yesterday. It's a single-player game. It also has a Cash Shop...
here the new ''F2P'' recipe...
1- B2P ( we get a game price box hahahha these fools !! they think it better, we just charge them more !! )
2- we add a cash shop realy not p2win the first 1-2 months
3- we go FREE TO PLAY ( everyone love free !! these fools !! )
4- we adjust the cash shop ( we are poor, we are dev eating rice, give us more money !! )
5- we cash in on whale and peoples before they notice your games p2win and we are liar
6- we drop the game
only good mmorpg are subs mmorpg, if you are poor enough to pay 20 a months change hobby. if you say subs dont work that only because dev earn more cash going f2p/p2win/b2p they care about money, they pick the option who give them the most money.
a good games = a good games , and peoples would subs to a good games
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Whats in the cash shop? is it P2W?
This shit is just getting comical.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
UbiSoft obviously know their customers well, I'd never have imagined that people would be willing to buy boosts for a SPG, but I what do I know ?
I would also expect there to be no cash shop just the old fashion monthly sub.
It has to be more than just a good game. They're plenty of good multiplayer games out now that are either F2P or B2P.
Personally I think people want to pay a subscription fee so they don't see a cash shop in the game.
We would just play a game on "Easy" instead of "Normal" to achieve the same sort of results.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
There are no other subscription MMOs that outweigh the content of their f2p/b2p brethren. There are no other subscription MMOs that provide a more polished experience. The only difference between a subscription MMO and a buy to play MMO is a monthly price tag, which doesn't even protect you from cash shops most of the time nowadays.
To use your words "so many peoples are so damn stupid." And that's precisely why people still ask for subscription fees without first asking themselves "is this game worthy of one?"
I mean, right off the bat Star Wars the Old Republic, in my opinion, could warrant a sub.
I've been playing Black Desert and I'd pay a sub for it as I really enjoy it. Final Fantasy 14 deserves a sub.
Edit: I'll also add Elder Scrolls Online.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
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What's your dev source on the cross platform release? I was hoping PC only, though all but one other game I play just now is also available on console, so I'd not be surprised to find out if you were right. But saying so without a source when no other of the articles on this website state that, and nothing I've read via /r/dnl has included that info. Did I over look something or miss it entirely?
If you guys learned anything, you should be at least very wary about any promise from a MMO developing company and never , ever pre order a MMO again. This is not just burning money you don't care about, you would also fund the same marketing crap again and again.
So why not just wait untill they actually release something and people get to write reviews. Maybe at some point, when almost no one will preorder shitty MMO's anymore, they bring trials back.
but ffxiv still keep patching the game , they even put content on odd patches (before all content was added in 2.1 , 2.2 ect , now they put tons of cotent in 3.1 , 3.2 but add something in 3.25 , 3.35 ect) it keeps the game going , but they need to create lasting content , because MSQ and the chain quests are only 1 time and done... dungeons they only add 2 ...when they added 3 in 2.0
Eve dunno but if is still p2p is for a reason...