Five Things MMO Gamers Should Stop Complaining About - The List at MMORPG.com

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Five Things MMO Gamers Should Stop Complaining About - The List at MMORPG.com

We whine a lot. Not just as gamers, or MMO gamers, but as human beings in the western civilized world, we complain about anything we perceive as unfair or unjust or in any way lopsided. I don’t know why this is, I’m no psychologist. But I do know that there are at least five things we MMO gamers need to just get over already. At the risk of being cliché, we really do beat too many dead horses.

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Spiider

You are wrong on all accounts more or less. Gamers that pay for the games have 100% right to moan all they want about anything they feel like. If its f2p this is somewhat limited but if there is a cash shop of any kind moaning goes to 100% again.

You seem to believe that gamers are special kind of humans. Wrong again. Gamers are just like everyone else, selfish, spoiled, ignorant (by choice) and arrogant (out of fear). Of course they will complain.

KRILE0N

Gamble Boxes fuel an unhealthy addiction for a lot of people. They're anti-consumer. If you say they're ok then why isn't just selling the cosmetics they contain ok? It makes zero sense beyond trying to force people into buying 100s for 1 item instead of just being happy with buying that 1 item. So no.. I won't be ok with gamble boxes in item shops. If they can be earned and unlocked in-game that's a different story and becomes a simple gold sink. GW2 is the only one that lets you earn lockbox keys that you listed so is the only one I am comfortable with.

Yes, you can win at PVE. If you spent 3 months getting XYZ gear and some guy comes along and buys it all in 2 days from the item shop I am pretty confident you're going to feel a little slighted seeing how it just completely undermined your accomplishments. Ok, so maybe not everyone will feel this way, but MANY do.

The bottom line is MMOs of late have been absolute cash grab garbage. If they're not P2W outright they will be within 3 months. That seams to be the common trend for F2P games, but it's also infecting B2P games. The only escape is subscription based. I'm at the point that over the past 15 years of MMO gaming that I'm sick of seeing item shops, because I've lived through so many failures.

Scellow

Again, another corrupted journalist, time to say goodbye to this website, the mmo genre is dead

donger56

Reading this trash makes me wonder if this guy has ever played an MMO in this decade. What a condescending rant of idiocy this is. This looks like something that belongs on Reddit or something. I understand you make a living being a shill for these greedy dishonest developers, but you could at least try not to suck up every chance you get. There are so many legitimate complaints about the current state of the MMO genre, you could write a book on it. "stop complaining" is hardly a solution or the answer to anything. Western civilization was built because people complained about things like tyranny, high taxes, and oppression so I'll just keep complaining when I see bullshit happening, but thanks for the advice anyway. What a noob....

BillMurphy

I should add 6.) complaining about the opinions of others... Then follow my own advice, I guess.

Albatroes

That 3 has a bad example since BDO is an open world pvp game with lackluster pve, so yeah anything with open pvp where you can pay real money to get ahead of everyone else is p2w. I'll agree that you can't really p2w in pve focused games.

carotid

BillMurphy said:

I should add 6.) complaining about the opinions of others... Then follow my own advice, I guess.

You know what they say about opinions, right?

WoeToTheVanquished

Hello, Bill. Let's say we were playing Dungeons & Dragons on a tabletop. As we're playing, the DM offers to individually increase everyone's health and stats as long as they keep slipping him a 20 dollar bill. Would you find this to be fun? Is it fair to players who don't have the money? Would you complain if a paying player just so happened to survive in PvP -- by a few hit points -- due to his +5 constitution p2w cloak?

Each item that you purchase from a cash shop that increases your survivability (even by a little bit) is pay to win. Any mathematical advantage you have over another player of equivalent equipment/level is unfair.

donger56

BillMurphy said:

I should add 6.) complaining about the opinions of others... Then follow my own advice, I guess.

Or you could pretend to be a journalist instead of just giving your opinion all the time maybe? This isn't cable news here, but it sure seems like it. 

SEANMCAD

That lead photo makes me think the lead signer here:


are into cossplay

BillMurphy

donger56 said:

Reading this trash makes me wonder if this guy has ever played an MMO in this decade. What a condescending rant of idiocy this is. This looks like something that belongs on Reddit or something. I understand you make a living being a shill for these greedy dishonest developers, but you could at least try not to suck up every chance you get. There are so many legitimate complaints about the current state of the MMO genre, you could write a book on it. "stop complaining" is hardly a solution or the answer to anything. Western civilization was built because people complained about things like tyranny, high taxes, and oppression so I'll just keep complaining when I see bullshit happening, but thanks for the advice anyway. What a noob....

With one reply, you hit EVERY thing I called on people to stop doing. Well done.

BillMurphy

donger56 said:

BillMurphy said:

I should add 6.) complaining about the opinions of others... Then follow my own advice, I guess.

Or you could pretend to be a journalist instead of just giving your opinion all the time maybe? This isn't cable news here, but it sure seems like it. 

You seem to not understand what a column is, and I'm sorry about that.

bartoni33

@BillMurphy And you thought "Censorship vs Localization" would be the hot topic!

You should have known better.

alkarionlog

don't really know what the reason you put this thing up, feh guess more things to ignore next time, there is some writers I just skip when I see the name, more to that list I guess

Mardukk

I agree with some points. I do think sandbox and open world fans do have something to complain about though. I mean we've got Eve and Darkfall and ummm kinda BDO and super old games from the 90's (that we've already played for many many years).

I don't usually buy into slippery slope arguments but I really don't like the direction many games with open PvP have gone with buying in game cash with RL funds. We should voice our objections, as these devs will run with it until they can't anymore.

heerobya

Keep up the good work, Bill!

I agree completely!

You forgot the BIGGEST one though - the "MMO GENRE IS DYING" debates!

Sovrath

donger56 said:

Reading this trash makes me wonder if this guy has ever played an MMO in this decade. What a condescending rant of idiocy this is. This looks like something that belongs on Reddit or something. I understand you make a living being a shill for these greedy dishonest developers, but you could at least try not to suck up every chance you get. There are so many legitimate complaints about the current state of the MMO genre, you could write a book on it. "stop complaining" is hardly a solution or the answer to anything. Western civilization was built because people complained about things like tyranny, high taxes, and oppression so I'll just keep complaining when I see bullshit happening, but thanks for the advice anyway. What a noob....

It's a part two piece to the "Things Players SHOULD whine about". It isn't a condescending rant of idiocy".

Though in truth, some of his points have merit. "Gamerz" don't come across as stable, reasonable lot as they rant and rave whenever they get the chance. There is no way this genre is going to gain legitimacy if gamers constantly come across as whining, hateful brats.

Not liking something is one thing, completely acceptable. But the way many express themselves makes it seem like the genre is filled with brats and man-boys/women-girls.

Nanfoodle

There is a line between complaining and discussing and discussing is always ok IMO. Complain also has its place. Sometimes the above listed are free game IMO and sometimes they are not. Like when a dev team says, we will not ____________ and then after masses buy the game and they implement that 6 months later. Would be like FF adding F2P and cash show and lock boxes now. Or when you see an MMO you have been waiting years to come out take a left turn just before launch like CoH did after everyone bought life time subs.

Where I think the line is, endless game bashing. You know the game wont change its stance. You know there is a fan base that is excited for the game and every time a thread or new feed comes out about that game. The same 5 people jump in and say the same 5 things over and over. IMO they are forum trash. Just as bad as the posters that dont seem to like any game and just bash everything. THEY NEED TO GO AWAY!!!!!!

SBFord

Scellow said:

Again, another corrupted journalist, time to say goodbye to this website, the mmo genre is dead

A bit over dramatic, don't you think? I may not agree on all points, but I love the spirited conversation that those with mature viewpoints can hold. I wanted Bill to add "stop complaining about games you don't like. If you don't like them, move on and keep your trap shut". But...that could fuel enough volumes to put Encyclopedia Britannica to shame.

SEANMCAD

BillMurphy said:

donger56 said:

BillMurphy said:

I should add 6.) complaining about the opinions of others... Then follow my own advice, I guess.

Or you could pretend to be a journalist instead of just giving your opinion all the time maybe? This isn't cable news here, but it sure seems like it. 

You seem to not understand what a column is, and I'm sorry about that.

In fact I am not sure I even understand his comment.

game journalism IS about opinion. just straight up only Reuters version of the news would be about 1 article a month.

Albatroes

SBFord said:

Scellow said:

Again, another corrupted journalist, time to say goodbye to this website, the mmo genre is dead

A bit over dramatic, don't you think? I may not agree on all points, but I love the spirited conversation that those with mature viewpoints can hold. I wanted Bill to add "stop complaining about games you don't like. If you don't like them, move on and keep your trap shut". But...that could fuel enough volumes to put Encyclopedia Britannica to shame.

That's honestly a difficult point since many people that complain about game isn't because they do not really like it but they want it to change. Moving on from something that you want to be "better" isn't always easy to do. I'm guilty of that.

kitarad

Somehow "Kill Bill" comes to mind ..... Kidding more like "Poor Bill".

GladDog

This is a very good list. I would like to add more items, but it looks like that is being done already.

Censorship is something I would have thought would been most discussed as well, but somehow I shouldn't have been surprised that P2W was the #1 discussed topic (so far). I'm playing what many people would consider a 'P2W' game right now, Star Trek Online. While PWE has plenty of games under there umbrella that are no doubt P2W, I don't think STO qualifies. But for some reason giving a game the title of P2W seems like a badge of courage. But as was pointed out, the term has become almost meaningless because the F2P crowd thinks EVERYTHING is P2W if you can trade a tootsie roll for a cool looking belt.

And btw, the cash shop in STO is almost completely cosmetic. For every ship you can buy with Zen, there is another ship you can ONLY get by investing time. This is a really good setup, as for real Trekkies the look of their ship is everything! And throwing money at a game is something that all games require, whether by sub or cash shop. No income = no updates, and a short countdown to the game dying.

Mardukk

SBFord said:

Scellow said:

Again, another corrupted journalist, time to say goodbye to this website, the mmo genre is dead

A bit over dramatic, don't you think? I may not agree on all points, but I love the spirited conversation that those with mature viewpoints can hold.

I wanted Bill to add "stop complaining about games you don't like. If you don't like them, move on and keep your trap shut". But...that could fuel enough volumes to put Encyclopedia Britannica to shame.

Well of course people should NOT keep their mouth shut if they are tired of these devs pumping out essentially the same damn game for 10+ years. BDO is different and pretty remarkable (despite the monetization issues). Allowing devs to do whatever they want, without pushback is horrible idea. Just because some people have their feelings hurt on a forum, does not warrant stopping people from pushing back against some of the things that are going on within the genre.

Nothing gets me fired up more than when people are telling you to be silent when there are clearly issues within the genre...big issues.

rpg-maniac

What a pile of horse shit is this *article* ffs which publisher pay you to write all this bullshit? so by your logic MMORPG gamers who btw are also "customers" for those who publish MMORPGs have no right to complain when a publisher lie to them, when a publisher censor stuff left & right & bring a butchered product in your region compare to the original, when a publisher start filling the cash shop with random reward boxes & extort a crazy amount of money from gullible people that might regret that later after realize how stupid they were who fall in the trap of those publishers who care only to squeeze as much money as possible from all of us, & if I judge by the pic you choose at No3 it seriously looks like you try to defend those dirty liars scammers from kakaogames, if that's what you are trying to do you must be ashamed of yourself for being a game journalist & choose to @sslicking those dirty scumbags, those disgusting people who did nothing else than keep on lying & deceiving thousands of people & when they got our money they did a U-turn & did all the opposite stuff from what they were saying they'll do, don't try to dmg-control them there is no point that train have long gone now, they are doomed they choose to take a path they can't return from anymore, what follows is f2p/merges/even more p2w & they will end up with a small player base of whales & casuals who don't care about PvP, Node Wars/Sieges & the game will stop have any kind of competition & more & more people will quit eventually, BDO have no future anymore & kakaogames is the reason for that.