Do you care about approval of your peers?

somersaultsam

By "likes" I mean the various proxy "thumbs up" options on this site. Do they matter to you or not? Please read below before proudly protesting your aloofness; because it is likely to ring untrue. 

Honest answers only please; no pretences not to care what other people think, of course you care, it is part of being human. So please none of the evasive, or pseudo self-effacing nonsense about not caring about other people's opinions.  

My concern with this system is quite simple: it creates a social stigma that stifles honesty, and rewards mindless conformity. It basically silences dissent, individual opinion, or honest criticism via subtle and insidious form of censorship. 

Allein

Can't tell if serious... 

Grunty

somersaultsam said:

If you disagree with me then you're not only wrong but you're lying about and to yourself.

Can't tell yet if Kopogero alt or not.

Gamer54321

There is afaik no downvoting fuction, so I don't see OP's problem as relevant to this forum.

BeansnBread

No. Actually, I almost never use the system. Strangely (!), I sometimes feel guilty when I don't because someone else votes for me.

But I would rather my comments and the people's comments that disagree with me rest not on how much fanfare exist for them, but instead rest on their merits.

But like I said, I rarely click agree or awesome if I think a post is extra special to me.

Shaigh

I disagree that it silence dissents any more than it does when people pile on a poster that has an argument that differs completely, its not like people use it in the same fashion that people on reddit use it.

On the other hand I find that the different positive aspects is a good thing, first it allows you to recognize that your point might not be totally crazy and that someone appreciate your posting. While certain people use the lol wrong, sometimes its actually good to know when your own point is kinda backward and stupid.

Aelious

somersaultsam said:

By "likes" I mean the various proxy "thumbs up" options on this site. Do they matter to you or not? Please read below before proudly protesting your aloofness; because it is likely to ring untrue. 

Honest answers only please; no pretences not to care what other people think, of course you care, it is part of being human. So please none of the evasive, or pseudo self-effacing nonsense about not caring about other people's opinions.  

My concern with this system is quite simple: it creates a social stigma that stifles honesty, and rewards mindless conformity. It basically silences dissent, individual opinion, or honest criticism via subtle and insidious form of censorship.

So this isn't a question so much as a demand for me to approve of your opinion based on the approval I either need or don't need from my peers opinions because of a system of reaction buttons indicating pseudo approval?

I am thoroughly impressed.

BeansnBread

Aelious said:

somersaultsam said:

By "likes" I mean the various proxy "thumbs up" options on this site. Do they matter to you or not? Please read below before proudly protesting your aloofness; because it is likely to ring untrue. 

Honest answers only please; no pretences not to care what other people think, of course you care, it is part of being human. So please none of the evasive, or pseudo self-effacing nonsense about not caring about other people's opinions.  

My concern with this system is quite simple: it creates a social stigma that stifles honesty, and rewards mindless conformity. It basically silences dissent, individual opinion, or honest criticism via subtle and insidious form of censorship.

So this isn't a question so much as a demand for me to approve of your opinion based on the approval I either need or don't need from my peers opinions because of a system of reaction buttons indicating pseudo approval?

I am thoroughly impressed.

I think that's harsh. I mean, why else do these buttons exist besides approval? Especially on a site where there is no such thing as a dislike.

He is asking whether or not these buttons matter to you. You are arguing that he has cornered that you to admit that that you agree with people based on "agree, awesome, insightful, lol" clicks. I'm just not sure that those things are adequate.

I think they stated that the reason why there isn't a disagree button is because they are afraid of trolling. What about pseudo un-approval?

waynejr2

Grunty said:

somersaultsam said:

If you disagree with me then you're not only wrong but you're lying about and to yourself.

Can't tell yet if Kopogero alt or not.

Only that last paragraph really makes me think it is that account.  Then again I am one of those people who goes out of his way to be nice and collect likes. 

Aelious

 BeansnBread said:

Aelious said:

somersaultsam said:

By "likes" I mean the various proxy "thumbs up" options on this site. Do they matter to you or not? Please read below before proudly protesting your aloofness; because it is likely to ring untrue. 

Honest answers only please; no pretences not to care what other people think, of course you care, it is part of being human. So please none of the evasive, or pseudo self-effacing nonsense about not caring about other people's opinions.  

My concern with this system is quite simple: it creates a social stigma that stifles honesty, and rewards mindless conformity. It basically silences dissent, individual opinion, or honest criticism via subtle and insidious form of censorship.

So this isn't a question so much as a demand for me to approve of your opinion based on the approval I either need or don't need from my peers opinions because of a system of reaction buttons indicating pseudo approval?

I am thoroughly impressed.

I think that's harsh. I mean, why else do these buttons exist besides approval? Especially on a site where there is no such thing as a dislike.

He is asking whether or not these buttons matter to you. You are arguing that he has cornered that you to admit that that you agree with people based on "agree, awesome, insightful, lol" clicks. I'm just not sure that those things are adequate.

I think the sated reason why there isn't a disagree button is because they are afraid of trolling. What about pseudo un-approval?

Removing the first two paragraphs of the OP would have been a good start to having a decent conversation. It was very passive-aggressive and took away a feeling of wanting an actual answer. To me it felt like a trap to be honest and I thought relating my feeling of a bait and switch, in a playful way, was the way to go.

You however related it great so I'll answer you . The buttons honestly make no difference to me. As a forum this is a medium already intended to have open dialog, that can either be in agreement or disagreement, and the buttons to me are a way for those typically silent to chime in without forming a textual response.

As a side note the LOL button can be used as a disagree response depending on the context.

LynxJSA

This reeks of Kopogero. 

BeansnBread

Aelious said:

 BeansnBread said:

Aelious said:

somersaultsam said:

By "likes" I mean the various proxy "thumbs up" options on this site. Do they matter to you or not? Please read below before proudly protesting your aloofness; because it is likely to ring untrue. 

Honest answers only please; no pretences not to care what other people think, of course you care, it is part of being human. So please none of the evasive, or pseudo self-effacing nonsense about not caring about other people's opinions.  

My concern with this system is quite simple: it creates a social stigma that stifles honesty, and rewards mindless conformity. It basically silences dissent, individual opinion, or honest criticism via subtle and insidious form of censorship.

So this isn't a question so much as a demand for me to approve of your opinion based on the approval I either need or don't need from my peers opinions because of a system of reaction buttons indicating pseudo approval?

I am thoroughly impressed.

I think that's harsh. I mean, why else do these buttons exist besides approval? Especially on a site where there is no such thing as a dislike.

He is asking whether or not these buttons matter to you. You are arguing that he has cornered that you to admit that that you agree with people based on "agree, awesome, insightful, lol" clicks. I'm just not sure that those things are adequate.

I think the sated reason why there isn't a disagree button is because they are afraid of trolling. What about pseudo un-approval?

Removing the first two paragraphs of the OP would have been a good start to having a decent conversation. It was very passive-aggressive and took away a feeling of wanting an actual answer. To me it felt like a trap to be honest and I thought relating my feeling of a bait and switch, in a playful way, was the way to go.

You however related it great so I'll answer you . The buttons honestly make no difference to me. As a forum this is a medium already intended to have open dialog, that can either be in agreement or disagreement, and the buttons to me are a way for those typically silent to chime in without forming a textual response.

As a side note the LOL button can be used as a disagree response depending on the context.

Yeah, you know. I Agree.

Except.. I think the LOL button should be removed completely. If that is the nebulous disagree button that everyone agrees is a disagree button, then... wtf? Seriously. Is it a SJW move to avoid people feeling sad? I don't get it. Why would we have a button that is in disagreement, not say disagree? Does it  not make people feel sad anyway?

It seems really, really, awful to me.

sayuu

somersaultsam said:

By "likes" I mean the various proxy "thumbs up" options on this site. Do they matter to you or not? Please read below before proudly protesting your aloofness; because it is likely to ring untrue. 

Honest answers only please; no pretences not to care what other people think, of course you care, it is part of being human. So please none of the evasive, or pseudo self-effacing nonsense about not caring about other people's opinions.  

My concern with this system is quite simple: it creates a social stigma that stifles honesty, and rewards mindless conformity. It basically silences dissent, individual opinion, or honest criticism via subtle and insidious form of censorship. 

the people here are not my peers. . .but rather adversaries. 

kitarad

Nevermind .

immodium

You're obviously new to the site. No one conforms to the same opinions on this site since the implementation of the system.

Forum PvP is still excellent here and is no different to when the system didn't exist.

Aeander

Grunty said:

somersaultsam said:

If you disagree with me then you're not only wrong but you're lying about and to yourself.

Can't tell yet if Kopogero alt or not.

We'll know it if he makes another "we all agree the state of mmos is bad and we need to go back to x" topic more than once in a week.

LynxJSA

BeansnBread said:

Yeah, you know. I Agree.

Except.. I think the LOL button should be removed completely. If that is the nebulous disagree button that everyone agrees is a disagree button, then... wtf? Seriously. Is it a SJW move to avoid people feeling sad? I don't get it. Why would we have a button that is in disagreement, not say disagree? Does it  not make people feel sad anyway?

It seems really, really, awful to me.

I use LOL when something is funny. It could be funny because it was humorous or funny because it was ridiculous. Never really considered it a dislike button and I hope the people that posted something humorous didn't take my LOLs that as such.  

mgilbrtsn

Of course people do.  It's what makes society.  Everyone likes a bit of acknowledgement.  That even goes for those who only like it when they are being asses.

BigRambo

lol, social media in whole is more of a cancer to society, where every kid can act like a douche bag and think they're cool and all. You got some shining moments out of social media but not enough to justify the need of still having it around.  The internet, let alone social media, are still young, not even 30 years old yet in the typical house hold. Yet it's easier for non educated people and morons to get on to social media than finishing high school.  The more social media crap keeps spreading, the more I miss the 90's, hell even the 80's.  Damn texting everywhere is pissing me off, people texting while driving, in the restaurant, at the movie lightning up the whole room.  It's like the parents teach their kids the fine art of texting before teaching them how to live properly and that is already starting to cost us a lot in the manufacturing industry, not because of not having enough jobs, but because our young "texters" can't even last half a shift anymore.  The generation coming our way 20 years from now won't be pretty, they think their ipads / iphones are made out of thin air. 

 But still, social media is in a better place than One Man's Lie. 

Amathe

Silence, green person. Your dissent is not permitted. 

Dibdabs

You eventually reach the stage where the likes, dislikes and opinions of a bunch of total strangers typing on a web forum really, really don't matter.  I reached that stage decades ago.  It's more of a young person thing to worry about trivialities like approval and disapproval from people you don't know, will never meet and care less about.

Slapshot1188

I have no peers

Panther2103

I kinda just like having a large post count. Also seeing how long I've been a member of something. Likes and dislikes don't really matter all that much to me. I do want to get a blue account name just because I like blue more than green, but I don't go out of my way to do that. You are also kind of being presumptuous saying we are lying if we don't go for those. Not everyone has to do the same thing.

Wizardry

Couldn't care less about that stuff.
I ALWAYS listen to everyone's opinions and i like to decipher how different types of gamer's and people think,but in the end,i have been around a very long time,been there ,done that so i am quite satisfied with my decisions,thought process over weather anyone else agrees or disagrees.
I am like that in every facet of life,i never care about petty things,i often get upset in real life when i see people lose it over VERY minute reasons.

Example ..I witnessed a store manager lose it on the female employee because she spilled her coffee on the floor,i mean he was angry,lips quivering,i swear he wanted to beat her.So i stepped up and said ...buddy there are more important things in life to worry about than a spilled rink on the floor.he did not respond but i doubt i had any impact,the angry manager will likely get angry again over petty reasons.

It is the very reason i scoff at THIS SITES agenda like "pointing fingers" or their rules that seem to favor the ANGERED over the other.IMO if you cannot control your anger,YOU are responsible and no site or person shoudl lay blame anywhere else than yourself.

Velifax

somersaultsam said:

My concern with this system is quite simple: it creates a social stigma that stifles honesty, and rewards mindless conformity. It basically silences dissent, individual opinion, or honest criticism via subtle and insidious form of censorship. 

While clearly true, it isn't quite so simple. 

The system simply models human society. We ostracize those with dissenting opinions constantly. We eschew honest criticism when it conflicts with something as mundane as social niceties. We wall off certain opinions through positive and negative selection. The system as a whole rewards mindless conformity with social acceptance.

Weve called this tribalism, nationalism, religion, etc. Yes, the few who see this try to break out but the mass of humanity has so far failed to gain its feet...

I for one suspect we'll fail and die. But I've always been an optimist (from the perspective of the aliens we'd exploit should we succeed).

Talonsin

How does a person clicking on "agree" to a post silence dissent?  I dont think a single person here has every wanted to post a conflicting opinion but then decisded not to based on the number of "agrees" in the original post. 

If you want proof, check out DMKano.  He is one of the highest ranking people on this site based on the thumbs up stuff and people are always posting conflicting opinions with him. 

Who the heck even looks at that stuff?  I guess now that I looked, they should add a "moron" or "holy crap this guy has a limited view" option...