As to your question, I tend to enjoy the insightful mark most. Lol only happens to me randomly cause I can't do jokes at whim, so no pride there. Agree is okay but really just notifies me of like minded forum dwellers, which gives me no new information. I suppose Awesome would be nice, to me it's the same as Insightful.
I don't try to fish for Insightfuls, I just write as per normal, but I'm certainly investigating each one.
So yes, I certainly enjoy approbation, but to be honest, 75% of my time on this site is spent reading my own posts...
I don't care, but seeing interaction on your thoughts is always an interesting and cool thing.
At the same time give me LOLs because I like knowing I got a mental chuckle out of people. So give me LOL. No literally give me LOL if you're reading this now. Thank you.
"As far as the forum code of conduct, I would think it's a bit outdated and in need of a refre *CLOSED*"
How does a person clicking on "agree" to a post silence dissent? I dont think a single person here has every wanted to post a conflicting opinion but then decisded not to based on the number of "agrees" in the original post.
If you want proof, check out DMKano. He is one of the highest ranking people on this site based on the thumbs up stuff and people are always posting conflicting opinions with him.
Who the heck even looks at that stuff? I guess now that I looked, they should add a "moron" or "holy crap this guy has a limited view" option...
The whole limited view is when people come in and try to turn RPGs into something they are not.
Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what
it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience
because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in
the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you
playing an MMORPG?"
By "likes" I mean the various proxy "thumbs up" options on this site. Do they matter to you or not? Please read below before proudly protesting your aloofness; because it is likely to ring untrue.
Honest answers only please; no pretences not to care what other people think, of course you care, it is part of being human. So please none of the evasive, or pseudo self-effacing nonsense about not caring about other people's opinions.
My concern with this system is quite simple: it creates a social stigma that stifles honesty, and rewards mindless conformity. It basically silences dissent, individual opinion, or honest criticism via subtle and insidious form of censorship.
So this isn't a question so much as a demand for me to approve of your opinion based on the approval I either need or don't need from my peers opinions because of a system of reaction buttons indicating pseudo approval?
I am thoroughly impressed.
I think that's harsh. I mean, why else do these buttons exist besides approval? Especially on a site where there is no such thing as a dislike.
He is asking whether or not these buttons matter to you. You are arguing that he has cornered that you to admit that that you agree with people based on "agree, awesome, insightful, lol" clicks. I'm just not sure that those things are adequate.
I think the sated reason why there isn't a disagree button is because they are afraid of trolling. What about pseudo un-approval?
Removing the first two paragraphs of the OP would have been a good start to having a decent conversation. It was very passive-aggressive and took away a feeling of wanting an actual answer. To me it felt like a trap to be honest and I thought relating my feeling of a bait and switch, in a playful way, was the way to go.
You however related it great so I'll answer you . The buttons honestly make no difference to me. As a forum this is a medium already intended to have open dialog, that can either be in agreement or disagreement, and the buttons to me are a way for those typically silent to chime in without forming a textual response.
As a side note the LOL button can be used as a disagree response depending on the context.
Yeah, you know. I Agree.
Except.. I think the LOL button should be removed completely. If that is the nebulous disagree button that everyone agrees is a disagree button, then... wtf? Seriously. Is it a SJW move to avoid people feeling sad? I don't get it. Why would we have a button that is in disagreement, not say disagree? Does it not make people feel sad anyway?
It seems really, really, awful to me.
I don't think the "LOL" button is used exclusively to disagree but I've noticed instances where it probably was. This may be a point of contention, because I can come up with arguments for both sides, but maybe a blanket "Disagree" button would be a good thing. One can still respond with a dissenting comment but there may be times someone should just convey their disapproval with a click rather than a possibly incendiary response. The next domino in that line of thinking could be that if someone wants to disagree that they should be responsible for stating why, which is valid.
In a perfect world people would not intentionally troll for the sake of causing ire, be respectful even in the face of disagreement, and not say anything if the response is uncalled for but this is not always the case. Because of this there may be a reason to have a short and sweet "I don't agree" button.
You eventually reach the stage where the likes, dislikes and opinions of a bunch of total strangers typing on a web forum really, really don't matter. I reached that stage decades ago. It's more of a young person thing to worry about trivialities like approval and disapproval from people you don't know, will never meet and care less about.
you will learn in life at some point, that you should act like yourself and dont give a shit what random peoples think unless they can affect your jobs or life. i only care about the important peoples close to me, when im outside i dont give a fuk what some random peoples think so i care even less in the internet.....
why you care that much that someone do a ''like'' or something in internet ??
if you got confidence in yourself and know you are someone good ( not sure if that the right word ) you will dont give a shit if some random stranger do a like to your post.
you should not get your confidence from outside source but in yourself, then you will dont give a fuk what some random peoples think of you.
that was amazing apha tips 101 and yeah i get girl too !! you can like me now !! pretty plz
How does a person clicking on "agree" to a post silence dissent? I dont think a single person here has every wanted to post a conflicting opinion but then decisded not to based on the number of "agrees" in the original post.
If you want proof, check out DMKano. He is one of the highest ranking people on this site based on the thumbs up stuff and people are always posting conflicting opinions with him.
Who the heck even looks at that stuff? I guess now that I looked, they should add a "moron" or "holy crap this guy has a limited view" option...
To be fair, LOLs also count towards your "score". He has 1,200 LOLs and he doesn't make many jokes...
As for the OP, I like getting "agrees" and stuff- I think everyone does. But it doesn't influence how I post.
To some extent everyone cares somewhat. After all, it's part of being a member of a societal species, and of having empathy. On the other hand, this is a forum on the internet that isn't a giant zeitgeist, so anyone posting here is totally expecting a number of people to dis them over it.
I'm glad when I get ratings, as it means someone read what I wrote.
I never have ratings in mind when writing up a post though. I care about feedback on my thoughts, ratings not so much. I'm interested to read what people think - a good part of my posts are questions.
It's better to be honest and get feedback on your real thoughts, than get feedback on some fake thoughts with a few extra ratings.
It's neat to get some sort of feedback if someone agreed/liked something you posted. That said, I've found it fairly useful to just 'agree' with someone who may have already posted a similar sentiment to how I might feel in response to a topic. In the past, I might have silently agreed and thought "this gal/guy said what I was thinking" and then moved on to the next battle thread. Now I can increment some visible, little counter to essentially say "ditto"...so there's that...
Ultimately, some might see it as "silencing dissent", but I don't really see that. I just see that it is now easier to express your agreement. For me, and how I use it, I can express an opinion quickly, and concisely, without cluttering a thread even further with a redundant/"me too" post (sorta like this one I suppose). So, perhaps the system has the potential to improve the signal to noise ratio depending on the users....
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers. Do something wrong, no one forgets" -from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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I would rather only see an "agree" and "disagree" button and remove the "Insightful", "Awesome", and "LOL" buttons. Seems it would be more clear, cut and dry way to determine how someone feels about your post.
How does a person clicking on "agree" to a post silence dissent? I dont think a single person here has every wanted to post a conflicting opinion but then decisded not to based on the number of "agrees" in the original post.
If you want proof, check out DMKano. He is one of the highest ranking people on this site based on the thumbs up stuff and people are always posting conflicting opinions with him.
Who the heck even looks at that stuff? I guess now that I looked, they should add a "moron" or "holy crap this guy has a limited view" option...
There is no disagree button. Much like americans, only positivity is allowed, no realism or disagreements.
You don't seem to have followed the U.S.A.'s presidential campaign for the last year or so. Or you have really weird definitions for the words positive, realism, and disagreement.
"I used to think the worst thing in life was to be all alone. It's not. The worst thing in life is to end up with people who make you feel all alone." Robin Williams
How does a person clicking on "agree" to a post silence dissent? I dont think a single person here has every wanted to post a conflicting opinion but then decisded not to based on the number of "agrees" in the original post.
If you want proof, check out DMKano. He is one of the highest ranking people on this site based on the thumbs up stuff and people are always posting conflicting opinions with him.
Who the heck even looks at that stuff? I guess now that I looked, they should add a "moron" or "holy crap this guy has a limited view" option...
There is no disagree button. Much like americans, only positivity is allowed, no realism or disagreements.
You don't seem to have followed the U.S.A.'s presidential campaign for the last year or so. Or you have really weird definitions for the words positive, realism, and disagreement.
People asked me why I stopped working. I told them it's because the government is stealing my paychecks to pay back fake overpayments they never paid me in the first place. The response is always quit being so negative, get out there, and get another job (as if a job where I can't get paid is going to make everything better).
George carlin put it perfectly (2:06 into video): (clip above)
I've noticed time and time again anytime you bring up a sound argument, everyone's tampons get wet (look at league of legends Korea vs US as an example). The truth is so bad, people just don't want to hear it, because they can't handle it.
Wow, that clip is even more relevant today as it has gotten worse. If something seems bad or not nice, regardless of sound logic, it's automatically "wrong", even if it's true or makes sense. It's a huge issue IMO and is the worse perpetrator of "silencing dissent" because the proposer can be vilified. As it pertains to this discussion that's why open responses, button based or comment, is needed not only to give everyone a voice but also understand that not everyone may agree, and that's okay.
OP asks if you care, then proceeds to tell you how you care, and he knows it. Don't give him any false pretenses.. He's already disproved them in his head..
I will state once again that this silly idea that you do not care about other people's opinions is nothing more than a teenager stamping their feet.
We are social animals who evolved over hundreds of thousands of years to be social, it is an absolute requirement for survival. If you think you do not require the approval of your peers you are a moron and your opinion is absurd.
Sorry, but the "I don't care what people think" argument is not a true representation of the way most people feel most of the time, it is a petulant strop, an irrelevance.
I will state once again that this silly idea that you do not care about other people's opinions is nothing more than a teenager stamping their feet.
We are social animals who evolved over hundreds of thousands of years to be social, it is an absolute requirement for survival. If you think you do not require the approval of your peers you are a moron and your opinion is absurd.
Sorry, but the "I don't care what people think" argument is not a true representation of the way most people feel most of the time, it is a petulant strop, an irrelevance.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
I will state once again that this silly idea that you do not care about other people's opinions is nothing more than a teenager stamping their feet.
We are social animals who evolved over hundreds of thousands of years to be social, it is an absolute requirement for survival. If you think you do not require the approval of your peers you are a moron and your opinion is absurd.
Sorry, but the "I don't care what people think" argument is not a true representation of the way most people feel most of the time, it is a petulant strop, an irrelevance.
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I don't try to fish for Insightfuls, I just write as per normal, but I'm certainly investigating each one.
So yes, I certainly enjoy approbation, but to be honest, 75% of my time on this site is spent reading my own posts...
At the same time give me LOLs because I like knowing I got a mental chuckle out of people. So give me LOL. No literally give me LOL if you're reading this now. Thank you.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The whole limited view is when people come in and try to turn RPGs into something they are not.
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Kyleran: "Now there's the real trick, learning to accept and enjoy a game for what it offers rather than pass on what might be a great playing experience because it lacks a few features you prefer."
John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"
Me: "You probably shouldn't be responding to this"
Also me: "You don't control me!"
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I don't think the "LOL" button is used exclusively to disagree but I've noticed instances where it probably was. This may be a point of contention, because I can come up with arguments for both sides, but maybe a blanket "Disagree" button would be a good thing. One can still respond with a dissenting comment but there may be times someone should just convey their disapproval with a click rather than a possibly incendiary response. The next domino in that line of thinking could be that if someone wants to disagree that they should be responsible for stating why, which is valid.
In a perfect world people would not intentionally troll for the sake of causing ire, be respectful even in the face of disagreement, and not say anything if the response is uncalled for but this is not always the case. Because of this there may be a reason to have a short and sweet "I don't agree" button.
why you care that much that someone do a ''like'' or something in internet ??
if you got confidence in yourself and know you are someone good ( not sure if that the right word )
you will dont give a shit if some random stranger do a like to your post.
you should not get your confidence from outside source but in yourself, then you will dont give a fuk what some random peoples think of you.
that was amazing apha tips 101 and yeah i get girl too !! you can like me now !! pretty plz
As for the OP, I like getting "agrees" and stuff- I think everyone does. But it doesn't influence how I post.
On the other hand, this is a forum on the internet that isn't a giant zeitgeist, so anyone posting here is totally expecting a number of people to dis them over it.
Lost my mind, now trying to lose yours...
I never have ratings in mind when writing up a post though. I care about feedback on my thoughts, ratings not so much. I'm interested to read what people think - a good part of my posts are questions.
It's better to be honest and get feedback on your real thoughts, than get feedback on some fake thoughts with a few extra ratings.
Ultimately, some might see it as "silencing dissent", but I don't really see that. I just see that it is now easier to express your agreement. For me, and how I use it, I can express an opinion quickly, and concisely, without cluttering a thread even further with a redundant/"me too" post (sorta like this one I suppose). So, perhaps the system has the potential to improve the signal to noise ratio depending on the users....
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers.
Do something wrong, no one forgets"
-from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
I don't censor myself in any way to get a particular approval, no need, I just try to type to entertain and hope I accomplish that goal sometimes.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
"If I offended you, you needed it" -Corey Taylor
Wow, that clip is even more relevant today as it has gotten worse. If something seems bad or not nice, regardless of sound logic, it's automatically "wrong", even if it's true or makes sense. It's a huge issue IMO and is the worse perpetrator of "silencing dissent" because the proposer can be vilified. As it pertains to this discussion that's why open responses, button based or comment, is needed not only to give everyone a voice but also understand that not everyone may agree, and that's okay.
We are social animals who evolved over hundreds of thousands of years to be social, it is an absolute requirement for survival. If you think you do not require the approval of your peers you are a moron and your opinion is absurd.
Sorry, but the "I don't care what people think" argument is not a true representation of the way most people feel most of the time, it is a petulant strop, an irrelevance.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
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