Introducing Microsoft Surface Studio

Mikeha

Microsoft Surface Studio is a new category of device, designed to put you at the center of the creative process. Turn your desk into a Studio. Learn more: http://surfac.ms/1026YSO

Mikeha

Microsoft has done it again. 

SEANMCAD

'gaming PC??'

I am not pulling that comment because its 'General Gaming' or anything like that I am just saying does that really look like something that you would want to push your gaming experience to the max?

Microsoft is still lagging so I am not sure what you mean by 'again' 

botrytis

SEANMCAD said:

'gaming PC??'

I am not pulling that comment because its 'General Gaming' or anything like that I am just saying does that really look like something that you would want to push your gaming experience to the max?

Microsoft is still lagging so I am not sure what you mean by 'again' 

It looks a heck of a lot better than an iMac and probably easier to work on.  It seems Apple loves to use glue. Glue in memory, HD and SSD rather than using screws or other type of connectors. That seems cheap and sleazy.

SEANMCAD

botrytis said:

SEANMCAD said:

'gaming PC??'

I am not pulling that comment because its 'General Gaming' or anything like that I am just saying does that really look like something that you would want to push your gaming experience to the max?

Microsoft is still lagging so I am not sure what you mean by 'again' 

It looks a heck of a lot better than an iMac and probably easier to work on.  It seems Apple loves to use glue. Glue in memory, HD and SSD rather than using screws or other type of connectors. That seems cheap and sleazy.

ok lets step back a second.

Customer wants a gaming PC:
'a mac or this MS PC'

seriously? that is the answer here? The hysterical aspect of looking for a competitor of a iMac for a gaming PC aside for a second....

In 1995 I think it was MS had discovered that the two major reasons people USED a PC for the home was for 1. video games 2. porn.

Given that laptops are now powerful to cover such things as 'cataloging your record collection using Excel' I think video games is very likely the strongest reason people buy desktop computers for the home.

I think MS is barking up the wrong tree, I think iMacs are likely in decline, so trying to conjure that market doesnt make much sense to me frankly

mklinic

I don't imagine the ad was aimed at gaming. I mean, just watching it once, I didn't notice it showing off the user playing a game. Seemed to largely revolve around creative apps and the idea that they were intuitive to work with using this device.

Whatever the intent and target demographic may be, it's a neat looking device, but doesn't seem like something I would have practical use for. Or, maybe to rephrase; there wasn't anything compelling about the ad that makes me want to go research it more to see if I'd have a practical use. It was more of a "that's neat, moving on" experience. So yeah, Microsoft has done it again. :pleased:
(not hating, just a joke)

laserit

If it's powerful enough to do my CAD work, I'd love it.

SEANMCAD

laserit said:

If it's powerful enough to do my CAD work, I'd love it.

millions of people accross the country and scammering to find a PC in which they cant really play high end gaming on but the can work on spreadsheets and CAD from home! because that is what people want to run home to do.

(although to be fair if it can run CAD it could play games as well)

Phry

Its not something you would try to game on, as gaming PC's are generally more powerful, its more capable that the equivalent Mac, and it has a touch screen, which is something Apple has yet to discover exists, simply put, its a creative tool, and at $4000 its probably a good one, but playing games on it would likely be problematical, its not really designed for it.

SEANMCAD

Phry said:

Its not something you would try to game on, as gaming PC's are generally more powerful, its more capable that the equivalent Mac, and it has a touch screen, which is something Apple has yet to discover exists, simply put, its a creative tool, and at $4000 its probably a good one, but playing games on it would likely be problematical, its not really designed for it.

agreed. 

and what I am also suggesting with basically 'hunch evidence' is that such a market is not a market that is on the upswing but instead is likely on the down swing which is why I think MS should have left that market alone but they seem obbsessed with anything Apple.

The 'market' I am refering to is people who buy a desktop PC primary for creativity and not for games

Phry

SEANMCAD said:

Phry said:

Its not something you would try to game on, as gaming PC's are generally more powerful, its more capable that the equivalent Mac, and it has a touch screen, which is something Apple has yet to discover exists, simply put, its a creative tool, and at $4000 its probably a good one, but playing games on it would likely be problematical, its not really designed for it.

agreed. 

and what I am also suggesting with basically 'hunch evidence' is that such a market is not a market that is on the upswing but instead is likely on the down swing which is why I think MS should have left that market alone but they seem obbsessed with anything Apple.

The 'market' I am refering to is people who buy a desktop PC primary for creativity and not for games

My guess is that MS is aiming at a sector of the market that Apple has pretty much abandoned, the latest offering from Apple after all, is not only expensive, ridiculously so, but its such a mediocre offering that you have to wonder why anyone other than someone who is a die hard Mac fan would buy it, there certainly isn't a logical reason to buy it, and its that sector of the market that is likely to buy this new device from MS, but its not a huge market either, so they aren't likely to sell all that many, perhaps this is also why Apple has largely abandoned it, along with anything else that isn't iphone related.

SEANMCAD

Phry said:

SEANMCAD said:

Phry said:

Its not something you would try to game on, as gaming PC's are generally more powerful, its more capable that the equivalent Mac, and it has a touch screen, which is something Apple has yet to discover exists, simply put, its a creative tool, and at $4000 its probably a good one, but playing games on it would likely be problematical, its not really designed for it.

agreed. 

and what I am also suggesting with basically 'hunch evidence' is that such a market is not a market that is on the upswing but instead is likely on the down swing which is why I think MS should have left that market alone but they seem obbsessed with anything Apple.

The 'market' I am refering to is people who buy a desktop PC primary for creativity and not for games

My guess is that MS is aiming at a sector of the market that Apple has pretty much abandoned, the latest offering from Apple after all, is not only expensive, ridiculously so, but its such a mediocre offering that you have to wonder why anyone other than someone who is a die hard Mac fan would buy it, there certainly isn't a logical reason to buy it, and its that sector of the market that is likely to buy this new device from MS, but its not a huge market either, so they aren't likely to sell all that many, perhaps this is also why Apple has largely abandoned it, along with anything else that isn't iphone related.

that might be true. My hunch is that the Steve Balamer culture of vengeance on all things Apple hasnt yet been completely purged.

Anyone who has worked in a large corporation close to decision makers (which I have) knows that cluture is not quickly changed and the larger the company is the longer it can take for decision habits to change.

but I could also be way off the mark, its just my hunch. Multiple times I have seen MS do things in conflict. Some choices appear to be as they used to and others seem to be more representive of new changes. This one smells of the old days 

laserit

SEANMCAD said:

laserit said:

If it's powerful enough to do my CAD work, I'd love it.

millions of people accross the country and scammering to find a PC in which they cant really play high end gaming on but the can work on spreadsheets and CAD from home! because that is what people want to run home to do.

(although to be fair if it can run CAD it could play games as well)

From home? I'd like one in my office.

These days a mediocre computer will run a CAD just fine, unless ones working with massive assemblies.

I had no problem working with assemblies of this complexity



with one of these 

http://www.pcworld.com/article/243575/asus_g53sx_monster_performance_in_a_monster_machine.html

Hopefully were coming to a time when Something like this new Surface will be more than adequate for things like this.

SEANMCAD

laserit said:

SEANMCAD said:

laserit said:

If it's powerful enough to do my CAD work, I'd love it.

millions of people accross the country and scammering to find a PC in which they cant really play high end gaming on but the can work on spreadsheets and CAD from home! because that is what people want to run home to do.

(although to be fair if it can run CAD it could play games as well)

From home? I'd like one in my office.

These days a mediocre computer will run a CAD just fine, unless ones working with massive assemblies.

I had no problem working with assemblies of this complexity



with one of these 

http://www.pcworld.com/article/243575/asus_g53sx_monster_performance_in_a_monster_machine.html

Hopefully were coming to a time when Something like this new Surface will be more than adequate for things like this.

let me try to explain.

1. You dont need a super duper uber touch screen awesomeness computer in order to be more productive in CAD (I used to be a CAD designer so I can speak to this). It helps to have a really good one, but not a super duper ultra thin cool on the adds with a touch screen to be ACTUALLY more productive. You might have more fun doing it but if you set a stop watch or have a metric to measure quality I doubt such a computer will help you on such metrics of actual productivity.

2. People by the millions are not surfing amazon day dreaming about buying a desktop PC that doesnt really play high end games but makes them maybe more productive in Excel, Photoshop and Solid Works because when work is done for the day what they want to do is run home as fast as they can and design schematics for an electrical panel. Those who are running home to open up marketing spreadsheets are doing it on the same device they took with them on the plane, the laptop


did I paint that in such a way that its a little more clear?

laserit

SEANMCAD said:

laserit said:

SEANMCAD said:

laserit said:

If it's powerful enough to do my CAD work, I'd love it.

millions of people accross the country and scammering to find a PC in which they cant really play high end gaming on but the can work on spreadsheets and CAD from home! because that is what people want to run home to do.

(although to be fair if it can run CAD it could play games as well)

From home? I'd like one in my office.

These days a mediocre computer will run a CAD just fine, unless ones working with massive assemblies.

I had no problem working with assemblies of this complexity



with one of these 

http://www.pcworld.com/article/243575/asus_g53sx_monster_performance_in_a_monster_machine.html

Hopefully were coming to a time when Something like this new Surface will be more than adequate for things like this.

let me try to explain.

1. You dont need a super duper uber touch screen awesomeness computer in order to be more productive in CAD (I used to be a CAD designer so I can speak to this). It helps to have a really good one, but not a super duper ultra thin cool on the adds with a touch screen to be ACTUALLY more productive. You might have more fun doing it but if you set a stop watch or have a metric to measure quality I doubt such a computer will help you on such metrics of actual productivity.

2. People by the millions are not surfing amazon day dreaming about buying a desktop PC that doesnt really play high end games but makes them maybe more productive in Excel, Photoshop and Solid Works because when work is done for the day what they want to do is run home as fast as they can and design schematics for an electrical panel. Those who are running home to open up marketing spreadsheets are doing it on the same device they took with them on the plane, the laptop


did I paint that in such a way that its a little more clear?

It's designed and being marketed towards professionals. Gamer's and Internet surfer's are not the intended market.

SEANMCAD said:

did I paint that in such a way that its a little more clear?

You can paint it any way you want it.

SEANMCAD

laserit said:

It's designed and being marketed towards professionals. Gamer's and Internet surfer's are not the intended market.

Right....so proffesionals who are currently LITERALLY making high grade proffesional quality videos with their laptops from within a hammock tied to a van.

I kid you not, video editing, media publications can all be done using a laptop plugged into a van and there are paid professionals doing exactly that.

Leaving you with high end CGI work and CAD work both of which are currently dominated by 'actual' high end PCs rather than slick thin ones pretending to be as such.

so that leaves only Photoshop subscriptions that are not using it for CGI that are employed by a company (instead of contracting) where the employee doesnt travel.

Last place I worked that had such a workstation they had ONE.ONE in a office of about 400

laserit

SEANMCAD said:

laserit said:

It's designed and being marketed towards professionals. Gamer's and Internet surfer's are not the intended market.

Right....so proffesionals who are currently LITERALLY making high grade proffesional quality videos with their laptops from within a hammock tied to a van.

I kid you not, video editing, media publications can all be done using a laptop plugged into a van and there are paid professionals doing exactly that.

Leaving you with high end CGI work and CAD work both of which are currently dominated by 'actual' high end PCs rather than slick thin ones pretending to be as such.

so that leaves only Photoshop subscriptions that are not using it for CGI that are employed by a company (instead of contracting) where the employee doesnt travel.

Last place I worked that had such a workstation they had ONE.ONE in a office of about 400

Yup... you rounded up the whole professional workforce with that list.

You do know that small business is the largest employer right?

I don't even know what your problem is concerning this thing.

The product is stylish, visually pleasing, small foot print, portable. If it packs a punch I can see it doing quite well.

Cant wait to take one for a test drive

wesjr

I have to say the ad was well done, the music really fit.

SEANMCAD

laserit said:

SEANMCAD said:

laserit said:

It's designed and being marketed towards professionals. Gamer's and Internet surfer's are not the intended market.

Right....so proffesionals who are currently LITERALLY making high grade proffesional quality videos with their laptops from within a hammock tied to a van.

I kid you not, video editing, media publications can all be done using a laptop plugged into a van and there are paid professionals doing exactly that.

Leaving you with high end CGI work and CAD work both of which are currently dominated by 'actual' high end PCs rather than slick thin ones pretending to be as such.

so that leaves only Photoshop subscriptions that are not using it for CGI that are employed by a company (instead of contracting) where the employee doesnt travel.

Last place I worked that had such a workstation they had ONE.ONE in a office of about 400

Yup... you rounded up the whole professional workforce with that list.

You do know that small business is the largest employer right?

I don't even know what your problem is concerning this thing.

The product is stylish, visually pleasing, small foot print, portable. If it packs a punch I can see it doing quite well.

Cant wait to take one for a test drive

yes I know I did.

regarding small business of which I ALSO have worked in. They use laptops, and the micro ones as I have stated are literally making high grade proffesional quality videos and website graphics from the back seat of their fucking van.

here is a fun fact for you.

PC sales are in decline but PC gaming is on the rise. That means more and more desktop PCs are being used for games, not productivity. This desktop from MS is 15 years to late. the demographics of technology has changed

laserit

SEANMCAD said:

laserit said:

SEANMCAD said:

laserit said:

It's designed and being marketed towards professionals. Gamer's and Internet surfer's are not the intended market.

Right....so proffesionals who are currently LITERALLY making high grade proffesional quality videos with their laptops from within a hammock tied to a van.

I kid you not, video editing, media publications can all be done using a laptop plugged into a van and there are paid professionals doing exactly that.

Leaving you with high end CGI work and CAD work both of which are currently dominated by 'actual' high end PCs rather than slick thin ones pretending to be as such.

so that leaves only Photoshop subscriptions that are not using it for CGI that are employed by a company (instead of contracting) where the employee doesnt travel.

Last place I worked that had such a workstation they had ONE.ONE in a office of about 400

Yup... you rounded up the whole professional workforce with that list.

You do know that small business is the largest employer right?

I don't even know what your problem is concerning this thing.

The product is stylish, visually pleasing, small foot print, portable. If it packs a punch I can see it doing quite well.

Cant wait to take one for a test drive

yes I know I did.

regarding small business of which I ALSO have worked in. They use laptops, and the micro ones as I have stated are literally making high grade proffesional quality videos and website graphics from the back seat of their fucking van.

here is a fun fact for you.

PC sales are in decline but PC gaming is on the rise. That means more and more desktop PCs are being used for games, not productivity. This desktop from MS is 15 years to late. the demographics of technology has changed

Geez the Surface Pro has been such a flop.

 I think MS understands the market a fuck of a lot better than you or I do.

SEANMCAD

laserit said:

SEANMCAD said:

laserit said:

SEANMCAD said:

laserit said:

It's designed and being marketed towards professionals. Gamer's and Internet surfer's are not the intended market.

Right....so proffesionals who are currently LITERALLY making high grade proffesional quality videos with their laptops from within a hammock tied to a van.

I kid you not, video editing, media publications can all be done using a laptop plugged into a van and there are paid professionals doing exactly that.

Leaving you with high end CGI work and CAD work both of which are currently dominated by 'actual' high end PCs rather than slick thin ones pretending to be as such.

so that leaves only Photoshop subscriptions that are not using it for CGI that are employed by a company (instead of contracting) where the employee doesnt travel.

Last place I worked that had such a workstation they had ONE.ONE in a office of about 400

Yup... you rounded up the whole professional workforce with that list.

You do know that small business is the largest employer right?

I don't even know what your problem is concerning this thing.

The product is stylish, visually pleasing, small foot print, portable. If it packs a punch I can see it doing quite well.

Cant wait to take one for a test drive

yes I know I did.

regarding small business of which I ALSO have worked in. They use laptops, and the micro ones as I have stated are literally making high grade proffesional quality videos and website graphics from the back seat of their fucking van.

here is a fun fact for you.

PC sales are in decline but PC gaming is on the rise. That means more and more desktop PCs are being used for games, not productivity. This desktop from MS is 15 years to late. the demographics of technology has changed

Geez the Surface Pro has been such a flop.

 I think MS understands the market a fuck of a lot better than you or I do.

ummm yeah Surface Pro has been a success in that its taken a large part of the tablet market you say?
I will look that up. its a bit complicated because its also really more of a laptop as well but let me go see

but here is where I see the future
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3072872/computers/chromebooks-surge-past-macs-in-the-us-for-the-first-time.html

oops!
https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Electronics-Computer-Tablets/zgbs/electronics/1232597011

SEANMCAD

Torval said:

It's not a gaming PC. It' snot marketed as a gaming PC, but "someone" of course decided they needed to invent their own topic and hijack a thread, again.

It's designed for professional visual artists. I could easily see it being useful for CAD work if it can handle the load. But it's intent is for those using Photoshop, Maya, and other pro grade development tools. Not surprisingly the 'dial' has been a really popular feature in discussions on reddit and facebook.

This isn't the first touchscreen AiO focused on visual artists. Wacom has tablet/AiO style boards, but Microsoft has really taken this to the next level.

no your not following along closely let me try to explain

Here are the demographics for Desktop PCs

Point 1
1. Gaming
2. Productivity of Office and the like
3. Productivity of Photoshop products
4. software development, CAD, CGI

This computer doesnt fit demographics 1, 2 or 4 in that item 3 its better to get a laptop.

Point 2
PC desktop sales are on a decline yet PC gaming is on a rise, that means more and more desktops are being used for PC gaming by what appears to be a larger than a small margin. Thus if your PC is not for gaming (which I agree despite it being posted on a gaming website) then one has to consider the changing demographics of desktop PC use.

laserit

SEANMCAD said:

Torval said:

It's not a gaming PC. It' snot marketed as a gaming PC, but "someone" of course decided they needed to invent their own topic and hijack a thread, again.

It's designed for professional visual artists. I could easily see it being useful for CAD work if it can handle the load. But it's intent is for those using Photoshop, Maya, and other pro grade development tools. Not surprisingly the 'dial' has been a really popular feature in discussions on reddit and facebook.

This isn't the first touchscreen AiO focused on visual artists. Wacom has tablet/AiO style boards, but Microsoft has really taken this to the next level.

no your not following along closely let me try to explain

Here are the demographics for Desktop PCs

Point 1
1. Gaming
2. Productivity of Office and the like
3. Productivity of Photoshop products
4. software development, CAD, CGI

This computer doesnt fit demographics 1, 2 or 4 in that item 3 its better to get a laptop.

Point 2
PC desktop sales are on a decline yet PC gaming is on a rise, that means more and more desktops are being used for PC gaming by what appears to be a larger than a small margin. Thus if your PC is not for gaming (which I agree despite it being posted on a gaming website) then one has to consider the changing demographics of desktop PC use.

PC desktop sales are on the decline because we've come to a time when your everyday humdrum work center, still works fine for what it needs to do after 6+ years and growing.

I have no idea when I'll have to replace my regular office work centers. They seem to be quite dependable and their performance is fine.

If I needed to replace one, I'd strongly consider replacing it with a device like this surface if they had a model that was under $2k

SEANMCAD

laserit said:

SEANMCAD said:

Torval said:

It's not a gaming PC. It' snot marketed as a gaming PC, but "someone" of course decided they needed to invent their own topic and hijack a thread, again.

It's designed for professional visual artists. I could easily see it being useful for CAD work if it can handle the load. But it's intent is for those using Photoshop, Maya, and other pro grade development tools. Not surprisingly the 'dial' has been a really popular feature in discussions on reddit and facebook.

This isn't the first touchscreen AiO focused on visual artists. Wacom has tablet/AiO style boards, but Microsoft has really taken this to the next level.

no your not following along closely let me try to explain

Here are the demographics for Desktop PCs

Point 1
1. Gaming
2. Productivity of Office and the like
3. Productivity of Photoshop products
4. software development, CAD, CGI

This computer doesnt fit demographics 1, 2 or 4 in that item 3 its better to get a laptop.

Point 2
PC desktop sales are on a decline yet PC gaming is on a rise, that means more and more desktops are being used for PC gaming by what appears to be a larger than a small margin. Thus if your PC is not for gaming (which I agree despite it being posted on a gaming website) then one has to consider the changing demographics of desktop PC use.

PC desktop sales are on the decline because we've come to a time when your everyday humdrum work center, still works fine for what it needs to do after 6+ years and growing.

I have no idea when I'll have to replace my office work centers. They seem to be quite dependable and they're performance is fine.

I am telling you as someone who has worked as a software consultant for 10 years with many clients (not all at once to be clear) the trend by a large margin has been to replace the existing desktops with laptops. There is your decline right there.

CAD designers are clearly not but if they need good power they arent going to buy a PC that is pretending to be strong but rather buy one that actually is.

laserit

SEANMCAD said:

laserit said:

SEANMCAD said:

Torval said:

It's not a gaming PC. It' snot marketed as a gaming PC, but "someone" of course decided they needed to invent their own topic and hijack a thread, again.

It's designed for professional visual artists. I could easily see it being useful for CAD work if it can handle the load. But it's intent is for those using Photoshop, Maya, and other pro grade development tools. Not surprisingly the 'dial' has been a really popular feature in discussions on reddit and facebook.

This isn't the first touchscreen AiO focused on visual artists. Wacom has tablet/AiO style boards, but Microsoft has really taken this to the next level.

no your not following along closely let me try to explain

Here are the demographics for Desktop PCs

Point 1
1. Gaming
2. Productivity of Office and the like
3. Productivity of Photoshop products
4. software development, CAD, CGI

This computer doesnt fit demographics 1, 2 or 4 in that item 3 its better to get a laptop.

Point 2
PC desktop sales are on a decline yet PC gaming is on a rise, that means more and more desktops are being used for PC gaming by what appears to be a larger than a small margin. Thus if your PC is not for gaming (which I agree despite it being posted on a gaming website) then one has to consider the changing demographics of desktop PC use.

PC desktop sales are on the decline because we've come to a time when your everyday humdrum work center, still works fine for what it needs to do after 6+ years and growing.

I have no idea when I'll have to replace my office work centers. They seem to be quite dependable and they're performance is fine.

I am telling you as someone who has worked as a software consultant for 10 years with many clients (not all at once to be clear) the trend by a large margin has been to replace the existing desktops with laptops. There is your decline right there.

CAD designers are clearly not but if they need good power they arent going to buy a PC that is pretending to be strong but rather buy one that actually is.

My accounting, customer service and secretarial staff will not be getting laptops at work anytime soon. I'd much prefer a lower cost alternative similar with this device.

SEANMCAD

laserit said:

SEANMCAD said:

laserit said:

SEANMCAD said:

Torval said:

It's not a gaming PC. It' snot marketed as a gaming PC, but "someone" of course decided they needed to invent their own topic and hijack a thread, again.

It's designed for professional visual artists. I could easily see it being useful for CAD work if it can handle the load. But it's intent is for those using Photoshop, Maya, and other pro grade development tools. Not surprisingly the 'dial' has been a really popular feature in discussions on reddit and facebook.

This isn't the first touchscreen AiO focused on visual artists. Wacom has tablet/AiO style boards, but Microsoft has really taken this to the next level.

no your not following along closely let me try to explain

Here are the demographics for Desktop PCs

Point 1
1. Gaming
2. Productivity of Office and the like
3. Productivity of Photoshop products
4. software development, CAD, CGI

This computer doesnt fit demographics 1, 2 or 4 in that item 3 its better to get a laptop.

Point 2
PC desktop sales are on a decline yet PC gaming is on a rise, that means more and more desktops are being used for PC gaming by what appears to be a larger than a small margin. Thus if your PC is not for gaming (which I agree despite it being posted on a gaming website) then one has to consider the changing demographics of desktop PC use.

PC desktop sales are on the decline because we've come to a time when your everyday humdrum work center, still works fine for what it needs to do after 6+ years and growing.

I have no idea when I'll have to replace my office work centers. They seem to be quite dependable and they're performance is fine.

I am telling you as someone who has worked as a software consultant for 10 years with many clients (not all at once to be clear) the trend by a large margin has been to replace the existing desktops with laptops. There is your decline right there.

CAD designers are clearly not but if they need good power they arent going to buy a PC that is pretending to be strong but rather buy one that actually is.

My accounting, customer service and secretarial staff will not be getting laptops at work anytime soon. I'd much prefer a lower cost alternative to what were seeing with this device.

I saw it happen at major companies..

Entire floors, desktops removed, laptops installed. IT departments with tons of laptops. Why? because its nice to have in a meeting its also nice to have if you need to work from home. Incidently once I had to REQUEST a desktop for development I had to explain why I felt like I needed a desktop instead of a laptop. The reason was I was doing Sharepoint development and I needed a fast machine to replicate their enviroment. They wanted me to replicate their entire sharepoint enviroment on a laptop. I had to explain not going to do that unless you want to spend a lot of upgrades on that laptop

I think MS is missing the mark here, I think they are not looking at the current changes in the technology demographics.

They should be looking to see how popular Chromebooks have become as a start