I think what is most important, is the inevitable destruction of a game which has decimated the lives of millions of people. These people could have been doctors, scientists, librarians, etc., but WoW took that away.
That's friggin' it! However, guess what, this kind of questioning is how laws are changed. It's not about defying the law it's about moral dilemmas that have the potential to lead to the amendment of existing laws and/or the creation new ones. Stop debating about if this shit is legal or not and go back to putting forth your opinions on the moral aspects of what's going on.
It's more a matter of illegal competition in my eyes. Which is one major use of such laws, no one should have to compete against a product that is using their own intellectual property against them.
This is why 9 times out of 10 a court will side with an IP holder. Until WOW is no longer an ongoing service, any server (no matter the patch) that is using their world, their lore, etc... is offering a direct competitor to the live service that belongs to Blizzard, on top of that, they've illegally used the IP in the process. There's no real legal terms to argue in defense of NOS or any other private server. Hence why most operate in places outside of the law, those that don't, get a C/D notice or shutdown..
I'm not sure there is competition. I don't currently sub to WoW because I hate the way the game has gone. If there were Vanilla servers to play on I think I would re-sub but we've been told many times that won't happen.
I played on Nost to get that vanilla WoW experience and since it shut down I haven't gone back to paying a sub to Blizzard. They've lost no revenue because I wasn't paying them and wasn't about to start paying them after Nost shut down. I would guess that the same can be said for many of the ex-Nost players.
Bet the new Hosts are loving all the publicty. sure is gonna give the people the chance to all know where to go. thanks haha
Enjoy your server before it get's shut down and all your chars are lost... again..
You obviously dont know how private servers work most hosts dont give a single f%$# about blizzard and their CnD's since when they do issue them its towards a hosting company not the developers. Nost only caved like a house of cards because they wanted to work with blizzard to make offical legacy server they have shown no intrest in making it happen anytime soon so here we are continuing to have to play vanilla the only way that is avaliable till blizzard wants to take our money. I have an 866 fire mage and im so bored of legion right now ive done all the current content and the only upgrades are from +8 or so mythics which are aids and not enjoyable and even then its always about RNjesus in the end hoping for titanforge and warforge. Will i play both? yes. But thanks i will enjoy it!
you people are all forgetting that the IP legislation is in place in order to protect the making of profits from illegal use of someone else's intellectual property.
when there is clearly no profit to be made, how exactly is the invocation of IP protection legislation gonna help?
Bet the new Hosts are loving all the publicty. sure is gonna give the people the chance to all know where to go. thanks haha
Enjoy your server before it get's shut down and all your chars are lost... again..
You obviously dont know how private servers work most hosts dont give a single f%$# about blizzard and their CnD's
Then clearly no more private servers will shut down and your characters will never be deleted.
Congratulations You outsmarted all of us.
In no way was i trying to outsmart you and I'm not even trying to say they can't shut down more servers they will it'll happen because they send a CnD but then they just take it to another host and the server is down for a bit but it lives on elsewhere there are many servers that have been doing this and running for years and years. i know a BC server that just had it's 10 year anniversary. But no please tell me J Allen how I think i do but i don't. But no please go on about how evil private servers are for hosting a version of the game that isn't available anymore and that people wanna relive and enjoy. No one cares? Oh and yet everyone can't seem to stop talking about. [mod edit]
Bet the new Hosts are loving all the publicty. sure is gonna give the people the chance to all know where to go. thanks haha
Enjoy your server before it get's shut down and all your chars are lost... again..
You obviously dont know how private servers work most hosts dont give a single f%$# about blizzard and their CnD's
Then clearly no more private servers will shut down and your characters will never be deleted.
Congratulations You outsmarted all of us.
In no way was i trying to outsmart you and I'm not even trying to say they can't shut down more servers they will it'll happen because they send a CnD but then they just take it to another host and the server is down for a bit but it lives on elsewhere there are many servers that have been doing this and running for years and years. i know a BC server that just had it's 10 year anniversary. But no please tell me J Allen how I think i do but i don't. But no please go on about how evil private servers are for hosting a version of the game that isn't available anymore and that people wanna relive and enjoy. No one cares? Oh and yet everyone can't seem to stop talking about. [mod edit]
Bet the new Hosts are loving all the publicty. sure is gonna give the people the chance to all know where to go. thanks haha
Enjoy your server before it get's shut down and all your chars are lost... again..
You obviously dont know how private servers work most hosts dont give a single f%$# about blizzard and their CnD's
Then clearly no more private servers will shut down and your characters will never be deleted.
Congratulations You outsmarted all of us.
In no way was i trying to outsmart you and I'm not even trying to say they can't shut down more servers they will it'll happen because they send a CnD but then they just take it to another host and the server is down for a bit but it lives on elsewhere there are many servers that have been doing this and running for years and years. i know a BC server that just had it's 10 year anniversary. But no please tell me J Allen how I think i do but i don't. But no please go on about how evil private servers are for hosting a version of the game that isn't available anymore and that people wanna relive and enjoy. No one cares? Oh and yet everyone can't seem to stop talking about. [mod edit]
Despite this, if there is a need in the market going forward for Vanilla WoW, Blizzard will at some point support it. I know these guys, they take it seriously, they are not out to alienate their fans, even the fringe ones that still think Vanilla was all that great.
I personally do not like Vanilla in comparison to current WoW. There are lots of reasons, but an easy one is time management. I don't have the time to make Vanilla work, pure and simple. That is on top of the fact that Legion is freakin awesome, like Bill said long before this post :pleased:
Blizzard is Notorious for hiring people like the Nostralius team once they have a plan in motion. After this move however, I feel it's highly unlikely they will get the job now. What a shame as working at Blizzard looks like a dream job.
Oh well. I look forward to not having to hear anymore about Vanilla servers until such time that Blizzard decides to support it or not. Either way, I prefer their current products.
LOL, my windows phone was giving me all sorts of grief over this thread... even blipped out everything after the quote from Ian. I see why now, talk about LONG! Long live my Chromebook!
Almost not worth commenting at this point, but I think Nostalrius' finally realized that the Blizzard they are talking to is a different company than the one that made Vanilla wow. Blizzard can't figure out how to monetize it with their current business model and keep it Vanilla, so they are paralyzed with doing anything.
Honestly, better to let each of them go their own ways. Nost didnt handle this well, IMO, but they should have realized that "Wait... for the unforeseeable future" is the only answer that Blizzard is willing to give these days.
Games Workshop should have sued Blizzard into the dust when Blizzard originally pilfered Warhammer. Blizzard deserves no sympathy as they simply clone shit and make the most marketable version with no regard to what it may do to the genre. Blizzard has killed a lot of dreams. I hope Nos mounts a strong defense and wins on some public use or reverse engineering precedent.
I don't know who sounds more pathetic, the idiots who think they can take on blizzard or the person who says "blizzard has killed a lot of dreams" lol.
Prove they haven't
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Games Workshop should have sued Blizzard into the dust when Blizzard originally pilfered Warhammer. Blizzard deserves no sympathy as they simply clone shit and make the most marketable version with no regard to what it may do to the genre. Blizzard has killed a lot of dreams. I hope Nos mounts a strong defense and wins on some public use or reverse engineering precedent.
I don't know who sounds more pathetic, the idiots who think they can take on blizzard or the person who says "blizzard has killed a lot of dreams" lol.
Prove they haven't
So, its the drug's fault, not the addict? Wish I lived in that world.
Im still amazed as to how some people can seriously defend something that is a classbook case of COPYRIGHT infringing
Lets be clear on something: the Tos of Blizzard explicitly says that you are NOT allowed to reverse-engineer the code and the usual, this includes giving people acces to the game for free without authorisation, aka hosting pirated servers.
No need to act like the Nost team are some kind of robin hood .
What the word of laws is whats relevant, not your personal moral judgement.
What the word of laws is whats relevant, not your personal moral judgement.
thats great and all but not all countries agree with the USA on copyright, which is why some countries dont have a problem with it and have laws saying as much.
additionally, lawyers will but all sorts of stuff in agreements, both for work and other documents, like a EULA. Neither does this mean that they are just or legal, which is why all of them have a clause stating"the law will supercede this agreement"
as much as you may like to say that people don't have a legal right to play vanilla, many countries believe that if you paid for the software, you have the legal right to use it. Hence why servers like this are put in countries that hold that view.
What the word of laws is whats relevant, not your personal moral judgement.
thats great and all but not all countries agree with the USA on copyright, which is why some countries dont have a problem with it and have laws saying as much.
additionally, lawyers will but all sorts of stuff in agreements, both for work and other documents, like a EULA. Neither does this mean that they are just or legal, which is why all of them have a clause stating"the law will supercede this agreement"
as much as you may like to say that people don't have a legal right to play vanilla, many countries believe that if you paid for the software, you have the legal right to use it. Hence why servers like this are put in countries that hold that view.
Can you post links to legal documents anywhere in the world that clearly state you have this right to access illegal servers?
I've never seen any. Also as pointed out, WOW is still running, so there is no denial of service.
Just because rogue nations don't recognize civilised copy protection laws doesn't make accessing someone else's property "right", a concept that seems to escape so many these days.
To simplify. If someone provides a new service, they have a right to control who buys it, who uses it, how it is used, change it, and eventually stop providing it and it's use.
WOWs client software is not so much a product rather it is a portal to their service, so you are not buying anything but a means to access the world they've chosen to provide.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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What the word of laws is whats relevant, not your personal moral judgement.
thats great and all but not all countries agree with the USA on copyright, which is why some countries dont have a problem with it and have laws saying as much.
additionally, lawyers will but all sorts of stuff in agreements, both for work and other documents, like a EULA. Neither does this mean that they are just or legal, which is why all of them have a clause stating"the law will supercede this agreement"
as much as you may like to say that people don't have a legal right to play vanilla, many countries believe that if you paid for the software, you have the legal right to use it. Hence why servers like this are put in countries that hold that view.
except Blizzard is located in the US hence the service follows american regulations
gotta love the miles people do defend PIRATED servers of a game that you legally need to pay a monthly fee to acces
the stupidity of some never ceases to amaze me. I know how people always play out the oh but tos can be ovverriden card while not haveing the faintest idea of what they are even talking about.
PS: as Kyleran said, citation is very much needed here.
PS2: You have the legal right to play vanilla WOW on OFFICIAL servers, not pirated ones. Two different things.
"Hence why servers like this are put in countries that hold that view." roughly translates to: countries that dont give a flying fuck about copyright infringing content anyway because they cannot be pursed there."
LOL, my windows phone was giving me all sorts of grief over this thread... even blipped out everything after the quote from Ian. I see why now, talk about LONG! Long live my Chromebook!
Almost not worth commenting at this point, but I think Nostalrius' finally realized that the Blizzard they are talking to is a different company than the one that made Vanilla wow. Blizzard can't figure out how to monetize it with their current business model and keep it Vanilla, so they are paralyzed with doing anything.
Honestly, better to let each of them go their own ways. Nost didnt handle this well, IMO, but they should have realized that "Wait... for the unforeseeable future" is the only answer that Blizzard is willing to give these days.
gotta love kids and that attitude.
2 things have always been clear about blizz: 1) WoW won't be free 2) you will NOT play blizzard games on illegal servers for very long
this hasn't changed, never will, and your inability to understand that was never required. have a nice day. and gl on hoping for a free, enduring World of Warcraft.
Blizz simply does NOT want some randoms to act in their name, and by being admins or GMs on a private server, that's exactly what they would do. again, no matter if you understand it or not
your understanding or acceptance is not required for reality to be.
"I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"
Civilized men and their laws... "I own this and tomorrow I will own that..." "But this guy doesn't believe I own this, even though I have the papers..." "So i have to fine him or put him to jail or kill him... cause I'm civilized..."
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Talking about games where thousands of players exist simultaneously in a single instance and mechanics related to such games.
Civilized men and their laws... "I own this and tomorrow I will own that..." "But this guy doesn't believe I own this, even though I have the papers..." "So i have to fine him or put him to jail or kill him... cause I'm civilized..."
Sharing is caring. Sharing code is definitely caring.
I just wanted to make an observation about countries that don't respect copyright. I watch a lot of Asian dramas and it tickles me pink when China tries to enforce the copyright or come down hard on the publication and distribution on the internet through drama sites of their dramas when they never I mean never and could not care less about the copyrights of other countries. Sure when it's your own thing suddenly you're outraged people are copying and watching your stuff ?
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I'm not sure there is competition. I don't currently sub to WoW because I hate the way the game has gone. If there were Vanilla servers to play on I think I would re-sub but we've been told many times that won't happen.
I played on Nost to get that vanilla WoW experience and since it shut down I haven't gone back to paying a sub to Blizzard. They've lost no revenue because I wasn't paying them and wasn't about to start paying them after Nost shut down. I would guess that the same can be said for many of the ex-Nost players.
when there is clearly no profit to be made, how exactly is the invocation of IP protection legislation gonna help?
Congratulations
You outsmarted all of us.
I personally do not like Vanilla in comparison to current WoW. There are lots of reasons, but an easy one is time management. I don't have the time to make Vanilla work, pure and simple. That is on top of the fact that Legion is freakin awesome, like Bill said long before this post :pleased:
Blizzard is Notorious for hiring people like the Nostralius team once they have a plan in motion. After this move however, I feel it's highly unlikely they will get the job now. What a shame as working at Blizzard looks like a dream job.
Oh well. I look forward to not having to hear anymore about Vanilla servers until such time that Blizzard decides to support it or not. Either way, I prefer their current products.
Almost not worth commenting at this point, but I think Nostalrius' finally realized that the Blizzard they are talking to is a different company than the one that made Vanilla wow. Blizzard can't figure out how to monetize it with their current business model and keep it Vanilla, so they are paralyzed with doing anything.
Honestly, better to let each of them go their own ways. Nost didnt handle this well, IMO, but they should have realized that "Wait... for the unforeseeable future" is the only answer that Blizzard is willing to give these days.
Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
Im still amazed as to how some people can seriously defend something that is a classbook case of COPYRIGHT infringing
Lets be clear on something: the Tos of Blizzard explicitly says that you are NOT allowed to reverse-engineer the code and the usual, this includes giving people acces to the game for free without authorisation, aka hosting pirated servers.
No need to act like the Nost team are some kind of robin hood .
What the word of laws is whats relevant, not your personal moral judgement.
thats great and all but not all countries agree with the USA on copyright, which is why some countries dont have a problem with it and have laws saying as much.
additionally, lawyers will but all sorts of stuff in agreements, both for work and other documents, like a EULA. Neither does this mean that they are just or legal, which is why all of them have a clause stating"the law will supercede this agreement"
as much as you may like to say that people don't have a legal right to play vanilla, many countries believe that if you paid for the software, you have the legal right to use it. Hence why servers like this are put in countries that hold that view.
Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
I've never seen any. Also as pointed out, WOW is still running, so there is no denial of service.
Just because rogue nations don't recognize civilised copy protection laws doesn't make accessing someone else's property "right", a concept that seems to escape so many these days.
To simplify. If someone provides a new service, they have a right to control who buys it, who uses it, how it is used, change it, and eventually stop providing it and it's use.
WOWs client software is not so much a product rather it is a portal to their service, so you are not buying anything but a means to access the world they've chosen to provide.
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except Blizzard is located in the US hence the service follows american regulations
gotta love the miles people do defend PIRATED servers of a game that you legally need to pay a monthly fee to acces
the stupidity of some never ceases to amaze me. I know how people always play out the oh but tos can be ovverriden card while not haveing the faintest idea of what they are even talking about.
PS: as Kyleran said, citation is very much needed here.
PS2: You have the legal right to play vanilla WOW on OFFICIAL servers, not pirated ones. Two different things.
"Hence why servers like this are put in countries that hold that view." roughly translates to: countries that dont give a flying fuck about copyright infringing content anyway because they cannot be pursed there."
2 things have always been clear about blizz:
1) WoW won't be free
2) you will NOT play blizzard games on illegal servers for very long
this hasn't changed, never will, and your inability to understand that was never required.
have a nice day. and gl on hoping for a free, enduring World of Warcraft.
Blizz simply does NOT want some randoms to act in their name, and by being admins or GMs on a private server, that's exactly what they would do. again, no matter if you understand it or not
your understanding or acceptance is not required for reality to be.
"I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"
"I own this and tomorrow I will own that..."
"But this guy doesn't believe I own this, even though I have the papers..."
"So i have to fine him or put him to jail or kill him... cause I'm civilized..."
Sharing is caring.
Sharing code is definitely caring.
give me the code to your bank account