I'm not really talking about this in terms of being a source of any sort of decline in visits. I'm just speaking to your comments at face value. As I said previously, you don't have to worry about being negative (though still substantive!) as it is. You only have to be concerned if you've picked a game or subject to be negative about day in and day out.That's all it is. If you dislike a specific game and your only desire to post here is to post about how much you dislike that game then, no, that's not going to fly. We tried loosening that up just for Star Citizen and it went about as smoothly as we expected.
Again, even if we did this subforum, we'd be getting complaints that we allowed X or Y and that's too loose or "Why did I get a warning? I thought this subforum was supposed to be relaxed." It's all subjective. The fact we're even debating the need for this right now even when I tell you we've been actively more relaxed about moderation for a while now is further proof of that.
Post how you like and if you get in trouble for it and it turns out we were just being too stuffy about something, I'll be glad to reverse the action for you, as I have for many of you over the years. My door is always open and I give everyone the benefit of the doubt for as long as I can.
You can say that, and maybe you even believe it, but it makes for extremely uneven moderation. Relaxed or not.
Star Citizen is a perfect example. You have a small handful of posters who basically post EXACTLY what is on the official forums. They run around high fiving each other on the forums and pass "IMO" off as truth as long as they are the one saying "IMO". If you have an opinion that doesn't coincide with theirs then they want empirical evidence and sources.
I was posting there somewhat frequently because I actually want the game to succeed, but I see some major issues. I wasn't posting at the same negative levels or frequencies as some people, just stating my opinions and calling BS when the positives couldn't make up their minds when their "IMO" didn't line up and they had to come up with a new one for the current situation. Anyone who is negative is called a DS alt, a goon, or one of DSs minions. Most of the time the post itself isn't even addressed, just straight to insults on the poster. Someone responded by quoting my post once and was snarky and insulting towards me as the poster, not the info. I responded by basically saying the exact same thing back. My post got a [mod edit]. Theirs still exists exactly as written, both original and in the quoted part of mine.
You can see and sell it any way you'd like, but the level of moderation is irrelevant if the moderation itself is uneven. So now the SC forum is a BS echo chamber when it isn't completely silent. I rarely bother with it because I can get the same info with the same echo chamber effect quicker elsewhere.
Outside of the SC forum it is a little up and down, but seems much more even-handed. To the point that, as someone who didn't post all sunshine and puppy farts about SC, it felt like that subforum was moderated much, much more tightly than the rest of the site.
Also, let's please refrain from the political comments. I've had to remove a couple in this thread already.
Reported for posting a Dawson's Creek meme.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
Also, let's please refrain from the political comments. I've had to remove a couple in this thread already.
Reported for posting a Dawson's Creek meme.
As I should be ...
I was in a new relationship when Dawson's Creek was a thing and my GF was a huge fan. All the nights I sat with her watching that is just time I'll never get back... the things we do for love, eh?
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
So once again... what would be the downside be of testing a forum where the rules on "negative" posting were relaxed? Not relaxed for the straw man argument about obvious attacks but one where you don't have to worry that your third post in a thread may get you a warning for being overly negative even though your just responding to some diehard fan who posted left 8 consecutive cheerleading posts the the same thread.
Why not try it? People who want their safe space can simply skip that forum...
We are already in "relaxed" mode overall. It's all subjective. What you feel is relaxed might be not enough for another user or too little for yet someone else. So then we get complaints about warnings for things because people judge what relaxed should mean based on their own POV. We'll also get complaints from the other side that things are too crazy in said forum. Basically, we tried something like this already with the Religion/Politics subforum years ago where we only took action for severe violations of our ROC and it was a nightmare.
Well I think most folks would understand that Religion and Politics are not going to be great subjects for an anonymous MMORPG forum
Anyhow, what I would really look for is a place where the rule about "Posting excessive negative comments" is not applicable. This way if you want to post for the 3rd time (in response to someone else) in the same thread on the same day you don't have to wonder if you will get a Warning. Seriously, if this thread was about a game I would ABSOLUTELY have gotten a warning for the number of times I have posted in here.
I have seen sooooo many entertaining voices disappear from the site over the last year. Some were banned, but many just moved away or cut down dramatically on posting.
I would see this forum as a win/win for people who enjoy debate as well as those who want to be free from criticism of their chosen game.
Some people are just as passionate about their games. We are relaxed now, seriously. We don't care if you're negative, as long as you back it up. We do care if it's obvious "that guy" is posting negatively about "that game" day in and day out. If you want to be critical of something and you're providing a substantive argument, we really don't care. It's when you post in this manner about a specific games or subjects, often to the point that this makes up the entirety or majority of your post content, well, that's an issue.
One user posting negatively every day about a game is one thing, but if we allow it, then one user becomes two, two becomes three, etc. We tried this even more relaxed stance with Star Citizen since it's a controversial game and we wanted to give you guys space and it just turned into a zoo.
But that is the content... again, if it's a second forum for the game what difference would it make if 100 people posted negatively every day? That would seem to me to be a good thing. It will result in more content and if there is that much posting that means more site visits. And those folks who don't want to hear the negative stuff can just stay out of that new forum.
If you test it and it thrives that would be great. If nobody used it... then you would have affirmed that the restrictions are not contributing to the decline in visits.
I'm not really talking about this in terms of being a source of any sort of decline in visits. I'm just speaking to your comments at face value. As I said previously, you don't have to worry about being negative (though still substantive!) as it is. You only have to be concerned if you've picked a game or subject to be negative about day in and day out.That's all it is. If you dislike a specific game and your only desire to post here is to post about how much you dislike that game then, no, that's not going to fly. We tried loosening that up just for Star Citizen and it went about as smoothly as we expected.
Again, even if we did this subforum, we'd be getting complaints that we allowed X or Y and that's too loose or "Why did I get a warning? I thought this subforum was supposed to be relaxed." It's all subjective. The fact we're even debating the need for this right now even when I tell you we've been actively more relaxed about moderation for a while now is further proof of that.
Post how you like and if you get in trouble for it and it turns out we were just being too stuffy about something, I'll be glad to reverse the action for you, as I have for many of you over the years. My door is always open and I give everyone the benefit of the doubt for as long as I can.
Mike all you have to do is see the multiple people posting in this thread saying that THEIR actual experiences are different from what you are seeing. Most folks are not going to fight and send an Email to Community@mmorpg.com to argue about a Warning. Many just fade away.
It's even possible that you recently relaxed the moderation and that our experiences would be different now, but how would anyone even know without being told? Trial and error?
It's all about perception and there are lots of folks telling you that they are afraid to post negatively because of their actual experiences. I've never been one to be shy about things so I'll wade into the fray again but the hundreds of others who might not be reading this thread have no way of knowing that you have gone into "relaxed mode". I don't know how you get those folks back... and that's what IMHO is the important part of this thread. We need the people, we need the content, we need the conflict...
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
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"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
So once again... what would be the downside be of testing a forum where the rules on "negative" posting were relaxed? Not relaxed for the straw man argument about obvious attacks but one where you don't have to worry that your third post in a thread may get you a warning for being overly negative even though your just responding to some diehard fan who posted left 8 consecutive cheerleading posts the the same thread.
Why not try it? People who want their safe space can simply skip that forum...
We are already in "relaxed" mode overall. It's all subjective. What you feel is relaxed might be not enough for another user or too little for yet someone else. So then we get complaints about warnings for things because people judge what relaxed should mean based on their own POV. We'll also get complaints from the other side that things are too crazy in said forum. Basically, we tried something like this already with the Religion/Politics subforum years ago where we only took action for severe violations of our ROC and it was a nightmare.
Well I think most folks would understand that Religion and Politics are not going to be great subjects for an anonymous MMORPG forum
Anyhow, what I would really look for is a place where the rule about "Posting excessive negative comments" is not applicable. This way if you want to post for the 3rd time (in response to someone else) in the same thread on the same day you don't have to wonder if you will get a Warning. Seriously, if this thread was about a game I would ABSOLUTELY have gotten a warning for the number of times I have posted in here.
I have seen sooooo many entertaining voices disappear from the site over the last year. Some were banned, but many just moved away or cut down dramatically on posting.
I would see this forum as a win/win for people who enjoy debate as well as those who want to be free from criticism of their chosen game.
Some people are just as passionate about their games. We are relaxed now, seriously. We don't care if you're negative, as long as you back it up. We do care if it's obvious "that guy" is posting negatively about "that game" day in and day out. If you want to be critical of something and you're providing a substantive argument, we really don't care. It's when you post in this manner about a specific games or subjects, often to the point that this makes up the entirety or majority of your post content, well, that's an issue.
One user posting negatively every day about a game is one thing, but if we allow it, then one user becomes two, two becomes three, etc. We tried this even more relaxed stance with Star Citizen since it's a controversial game and we wanted to give you guys space and it just turned into a zoo.
But that is the content... again, if it's a second forum for the game what difference would it make if 100 people posted negatively every day? That would seem to me to be a good thing. It will result in more content and if there is that much posting that means more site visits. And those folks who don't want to hear the negative stuff can just stay out of that new forum.
If you test it and it thrives that would be great. If nobody used it... then you would have affirmed that the restrictions are not contributing to the decline in visits.
I'm not really talking about this in terms of being a source of any sort of decline in visits. I'm just speaking to your comments at face value. As I said previously, you don't have to worry about being negative (though still substantive!) as it is. You only have to be concerned if you've picked a game or subject to be negative about day in and day out.That's all it is. If you dislike a specific game and your only desire to post here is to post about how much you dislike that game then, no, that's not going to fly. We tried loosening that up just for Star Citizen and it went about as smoothly as we expected.
Again, even if we did this subforum, we'd be getting complaints that we allowed X or Y and that's too loose or "Why did I get a warning? I thought this subforum was supposed to be relaxed." It's all subjective. The fact we're even debating the need for this right now even when I tell you we've been actively more relaxed about moderation for a while now is further proof of that.
Post how you like and if you get in trouble for it and it turns out we were just being too stuffy about something, I'll be glad to reverse the action for you, as I have for many of you over the years. My door is always open and I give everyone the benefit of the doubt for as long as I can.
Mike all you have to do is see the multiple people posting in this thread saying that THEIR actual experiences are different from what you are seeing. Most folks are not going to fight and send an Email to Community@mmorpg.com to argue about a Warning. Many just fade away.
It's even possible that you recently relaxed the moderation and that our experiences would be different now, but how would anyone even know without being told? Trial and error?
It's all about perception and there are lots of folks telling you that they are afraid to post negatively because of their actual experiences. I've never been one to be shy about things so I'll wade into the fray again but the hundreds of others who might not be reading this thread have no way of knowing that you have gone into "relaxed mode". I don't know how you get those folks back... and that's what IMHO is the important part of this thread. We need the people, we need the content, we need the conflict...
I think Mike has reversed 4 or 5 warnings for me after i spoke to him and explained my stance and actions ..
I think Mike has reversed 4 or 5 warnings for me after i spoke to him and explained my stance and actions ..
A few times for me too.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
So once again... what would be the downside be of testing a forum where the rules on "negative" posting were relaxed? Not relaxed for the straw man argument about obvious attacks but one where you don't have to worry that your third post in a thread may get you a warning for being overly negative even though your just responding to some diehard fan who posted left 8 consecutive cheerleading posts the the same thread.
Why not try it? People who want their safe space can simply skip that forum...
We are already in "relaxed" mode overall. It's all subjective. What you feel is relaxed might be not enough for another user or too little for yet someone else. So then we get complaints about warnings for things because people judge what relaxed should mean based on their own POV. We'll also get complaints from the other side that things are too crazy in said forum. Basically, we tried something like this already with the Religion/Politics subforum years ago where we only took action for severe violations of our ROC and it was a nightmare.
Well I think most folks would understand that Religion and Politics are not going to be great subjects for an anonymous MMORPG forum
Anyhow, what I would really look for is a place where the rule about "Posting excessive negative comments" is not applicable. This way if you want to post for the 3rd time (in response to someone else) in the same thread on the same day you don't have to wonder if you will get a Warning. Seriously, if this thread was about a game I would ABSOLUTELY have gotten a warning for the number of times I have posted in here.
I have seen sooooo many entertaining voices disappear from the site over the last year. Some were banned, but many just moved away or cut down dramatically on posting.
I would see this forum as a win/win for people who enjoy debate as well as those who want to be free from criticism of their chosen game.
Some people are just as passionate about their games. We are relaxed now, seriously. We don't care if you're negative, as long as you back it up. We do care if it's obvious "that guy" is posting negatively about "that game" day in and day out. If you want to be critical of something and you're providing a substantive argument, we really don't care. It's when you post in this manner about a specific games or subjects, often to the point that this makes up the entirety or majority of your post content, well, that's an issue.
One user posting negatively every day about a game is one thing, but if we allow it, then one user becomes two, two becomes three, etc. We tried this even more relaxed stance with Star Citizen since it's a controversial game and we wanted to give you guys space and it just turned into a zoo.
But that is the content... again, if it's a second forum for the game what difference would it make if 100 people posted negatively every day? That would seem to me to be a good thing. It will result in more content and if there is that much posting that means more site visits. And those folks who don't want to hear the negative stuff can just stay out of that new forum.
If you test it and it thrives that would be great. If nobody used it... then you would have affirmed that the restrictions are not contributing to the decline in visits.
I'm not really talking about this in terms of being a source of any sort of decline in visits. I'm just speaking to your comments at face value. As I said previously, you don't have to worry about being negative (though still substantive!) as it is. You only have to be concerned if you've picked a game or subject to be negative about day in and day out.That's all it is. If you dislike a specific game and your only desire to post here is to post about how much you dislike that game then, no, that's not going to fly. We tried loosening that up just for Star Citizen and it went about as smoothly as we expected.
Again, even if we did this subforum, we'd be getting complaints that we allowed X or Y and that's too loose or "Why did I get a warning? I thought this subforum was supposed to be relaxed." It's all subjective. The fact we're even debating the need for this right now even when I tell you we've been actively more relaxed about moderation for a while now is further proof of that.
Post how you like and if you get in trouble for it and it turns out we were just being too stuffy about something, I'll be glad to reverse the action for you, as I have for many of you over the years. My door is always open and I give everyone the benefit of the doubt for as long as I can.
Mike all you have to do is see the multiple people posting in this thread saying that THEIR actual experiences are different from what you are seeing. Most folks are not going to fight and send an Email to Community@mmorpg.com to argue about a Warning. Many just fade away.
It's even possible that you recently relaxed the moderation and that our experiences would be different now, but how would anyone even know without being told? Trial and error?
It's all about perception and there are lots of folks telling you that they are afraid to post negatively because of their actual experiences. I've never been one to be shy about things so I'll wade into the fray again but the hundreds of others who might not be reading this thread have no way of knowing that you have gone into "relaxed mode". I don't know how you get those folks back... and that's what IMHO is the important part of this thread. We need the people, we need the content, we need the conflict...
I think Mike has reversed 4 or 5 warnings for me after i spoke to him and explained my stance and actions ..
Absolutely.. I have had them removed as well... actually almost always, but for every person who disputes I would wager that there are 2 who either walk away or just decide to cut back on posting. The result is a severe downturn in posts on the site and thus less traffic.
Also, the mere fact that you had to go to him 4-5 times and have them removed is demonstrating another problem...
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
So once again... what would be the downside be of testing a forum where the rules on "negative" posting were relaxed? Not relaxed for the straw man argument about obvious attacks but one where you don't have to worry that your third post in a thread may get you a warning for being overly negative even though your just responding to some diehard fan who posted left 8 consecutive cheerleading posts the the same thread.
Why not try it? People who want their safe space can simply skip that forum...
We are already in "relaxed" mode overall. It's all subjective. What you feel is relaxed might be not enough for another user or too little for yet someone else. So then we get complaints about warnings for things because people judge what relaxed should mean based on their own POV. We'll also get complaints from the other side that things are too crazy in said forum. Basically, we tried something like this already with the Religion/Politics subforum years ago where we only took action for severe violations of our ROC and it was a nightmare.
Well I think most folks would understand that Religion and Politics are not going to be great subjects for an anonymous MMORPG forum
Anyhow, what I would really look for is a place where the rule about "Posting excessive negative comments" is not applicable. This way if you want to post for the 3rd time (in response to someone else) in the same thread on the same day you don't have to wonder if you will get a Warning. Seriously, if this thread was about a game I would ABSOLUTELY have gotten a warning for the number of times I have posted in here.
I have seen sooooo many entertaining voices disappear from the site over the last year. Some were banned, but many just moved away or cut down dramatically on posting.
I would see this forum as a win/win for people who enjoy debate as well as those who want to be free from criticism of their chosen game.
Some people are just as passionate about their games. We are relaxed now, seriously. We don't care if you're negative, as long as you back it up. We do care if it's obvious "that guy" is posting negatively about "that game" day in and day out. If you want to be critical of something and you're providing a substantive argument, we really don't care. It's when you post in this manner about a specific games or subjects, often to the point that this makes up the entirety or majority of your post content, well, that's an issue.
One user posting negatively every day about a game is one thing, but if we allow it, then one user becomes two, two becomes three, etc. We tried this even more relaxed stance with Star Citizen since it's a controversial game and we wanted to give you guys space and it just turned into a zoo.
But that is the content... again, if it's a second forum for the game what difference would it make if 100 people posted negatively every day? That would seem to me to be a good thing. It will result in more content and if there is that much posting that means more site visits. And those folks who don't want to hear the negative stuff can just stay out of that new forum.
If you test it and it thrives that would be great. If nobody used it... then you would have affirmed that the restrictions are not contributing to the decline in visits.
I'm not really talking about this in terms of being a source of any sort of decline in visits. I'm just speaking to your comments at face value. As I said previously, you don't have to worry about being negative (though still substantive!) as it is. You only have to be concerned if you've picked a game or subject to be negative about day in and day out.That's all it is. If you dislike a specific game and your only desire to post here is to post about how much you dislike that game then, no, that's not going to fly. We tried loosening that up just for Star Citizen and it went about as smoothly as we expected.
Again, even if we did this subforum, we'd be getting complaints that we allowed X or Y and that's too loose or "Why did I get a warning? I thought this subforum was supposed to be relaxed." It's all subjective. The fact we're even debating the need for this right now even when I tell you we've been actively more relaxed about moderation for a while now is further proof of that.
Post how you like and if you get in trouble for it and it turns out we were just being too stuffy about something, I'll be glad to reverse the action for you, as I have for many of you over the years. My door is always open and I give everyone the benefit of the doubt for as long as I can.
Mike all you have to do is see the multiple people posting in this thread saying that THEIR actual experiences are different from what you are seeing. Most folks are not going to fight and send an Email to Community@mmorpg.com to argue about a Warning. Many just fade away.
It's even possible that you recently relaxed the moderation and that our experiences would be different now, but how would anyone even know without being told? Trial and error?
It's all about perception and there are lots of folks telling you that they are afraid to post negatively because of their actual experiences. I've never been one to be shy about things so I'll wade into the fray again but the hundreds of others who might not be reading this thread have no way of knowing that you have gone into "relaxed mode". I don't know how you get those folks back... and that's what IMHO is the important part of this thread. We need the people, we need the content, we need the conflict...
I think Mike has reversed 4 or 5 warnings for me after i spoke to him and explained my stance and actions ..
Absolutely.. I have had them removed as well... actually almost always, but for every person who disputes I would wager that there are 2 who either walk away or just decide to cut back on posting. The result is a severe downturn in posts on the site and thus less traffic.
Also, the mere fact that you had to go to him 4-5 times and have them removed is demonstrating another problem...
Who cares about lazy posters who don't stand up for themselves?
Also that 4 to 5 posts is .002% across 10 years on the forum for Scorch, my ratio is far lower.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Hey @MikeB and @Vaross or whoever, when you guys do moderate/delete posts... can you just put [Mod] in them instead of making them magically disappear?
That's super frustrating, especially when foul language, personal attacks, or politics/religion aren't inovlved. "It was all a dream..." *POOF* leads to mistrust, mystery, and tin foil head garments.
"As far as the forum code of conduct, I would think it's a bit outdated and in need of a refre *CLOSED*"
Absolutely.. I have had them removed as well... actually almost always, but for every person who disputes I would wager that there are 2 who either walk away or just decide to cut back on posting. The result is a severe downturn in posts on the site and thus less traffic.
Yep that's my experience. Got 2 Warnings 3 years ago but I could not be arsed to appeal. I kinda figured where this site was going in terms of moderation and decided to jog off. Instead I brought my unwelcome negativity to the few Game Official Forums and funny enough never got a single warning in any of them.
I see people cannot post things without being offensive ,they must be given full reign to unleash their inner foulness before this forum gets interesting. I think there are people here who post interesting things without resorting to offensive language.
Bingo - the problem is people resort to personal attacks instead of counterpoints to the CONTENT of the post.
The rules of this forum are very easy to follow.
Hey @DMKano I'm curious now that you have earned? the Bars of Shame if you feel the same way about the rules.
I know you can't get into specifics but I have not seen anything even remotely trollish from you other than some pointed barbs every now and then. A few pointed my way if I recall correctly!
I for one agree with @MikeB that the overall moderation has gotten much better, although certain game forumS Can be over-moderated at times.
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wow .. i have not been around for a while, and the most popular topic is about how unpopular mmorpg.com has become?
I suppose when even flame wars have become boring, there isn't much left for the genre. MMORPGs (not to be confused with still popular MMOs like LoL) are certainly niche now.
May be if websites will re-classify popular games like Overwatch as MMORPGs faster, traffic will decline slower?
With games like Titanfall 2 & Dishonored 2, I don't think i need to pay any attention to MMORPGs anymore. For those who want my stuff, i have no MMORPG stuff left, unless you count D3 stuff, and THAT, you cannot have.
wow .. i have not been around for a while, and the most popular topic is about how unpopular mmorpg.com has become?
I suppose when even flame wars have become boring, there isn't much left for the genre. MMORPGs (not to be confused with still popular MMOs like LoL) are certainly niche now.
May be if websites will re-classify popular games like Overwatch as MMORPGs faster, traffic will decline slower?
With games like Titanfall 2 & Dishonored 2, I don't think i need to pay any attention to MMORPGs anymore. For those who want my stuff, i have no MMORPG stuff left, unless you count D3 stuff, and THAT, you cannot have.
While LOL came up quite often in this thread I don't think a single poster incorrectly called it a MMO, all seemed to understand what MOBAs are and how they differ from MMOs.
The dicussion quality has definitely improved with the exodus of the tourists.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
wow .. i have not been around for a while, and the most popular topic is about how unpopular mmorpg.com has become?
I suppose when even flame wars have become boring, there isn't much left for the genre. MMORPGs (not to be confused with still popular MMOs like LoL) are certainly niche now.
May be if websites will re-classify popular games like Overwatch as MMORPGs faster, traffic will decline slower?
With games like Titanfall 2 & Dishonored 2, I don't think i need to pay any attention to MMORPGs anymore. For those who want my stuff, i have no MMORPG stuff left, unless you count D3 stuff, and THAT, you cannot have.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Absolutely.. I have had them removed as well... actually almost always, but for every person who disputes I would wager that there are 2 who either walk away or just decide to cut back on posting. The result is a severe downturn in posts on the site and thus less traffic.
Also, the mere fact that you had to go to him 4-5 times and have them removed is demonstrating another problem...
That's exactly what I do. If I get a warning a will just stay away for 2-3 weeks until the points drop off and then I'll come back. Why try and fight a forum moderation that at the end of the day doesn't mean anything? I have better things to do with my time.
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Hey @MikeB and @Vaross or whoever, when you guys do moderate/delete posts... can you just put [Mod] in them instead of making them magically disappear?
That's super frustrating, especially when foul language, personal attacks, or politics/religion aren't inovlved. "It was all a dream..." *POOF* leads to mistrust, mystery, and tin foil head garments.
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Star Citizen is a perfect example. You have a small handful of posters who basically post EXACTLY what is on the official forums. They run around high fiving each other on the forums and pass "IMO" off as truth as long as they are the one saying "IMO". If you have an opinion that doesn't coincide with theirs then they want empirical evidence and sources.
I was posting there somewhat frequently because I actually want the game to succeed, but I see some major issues. I wasn't posting at the same negative levels or frequencies as some people, just stating my opinions and calling BS when the positives couldn't make up their minds when their "IMO" didn't line up and they had to come up with a new one for the current situation. Anyone who is negative is called a DS alt, a goon, or one of DSs minions. Most of the time the post itself isn't even addressed, just straight to insults on the poster. Someone responded by quoting my post once and was snarky and insulting towards me as the poster, not the info. I responded by basically saying the exact same thing back. My post got a [mod edit]. Theirs still exists exactly as written, both original and in the quoted part of mine.
You can see and sell it any way you'd like, but the level of moderation is irrelevant if the moderation itself is uneven. So now the SC forum is a BS echo chamber when it isn't completely silent. I rarely bother with it because I can get the same info with the same echo chamber effect quicker elsewhere.
Outside of the SC forum it is a little up and down, but seems much more even-handed. To the point that, as someone who didn't post all sunshine and puppy farts about SC, it felt like that subforum was moderated much, much more tightly than the rest of the site.
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Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
It's even possible that you recently relaxed the moderation and that our experiences would be different now, but how would anyone even know without being told? Trial and error?
It's all about perception and there are lots of folks telling you that they are afraid to post negatively because of their actual experiences. I've never been one to be shy about things so I'll wade into the fray again but the hundreds of others who might not be reading this thread have no way of knowing that you have gone into "relaxed mode". I don't know how you get those folks back... and that's what IMHO is the important part of this thread. We need the people, we need the content, we need the conflict...
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“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
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Also, the mere fact that you had to go to him 4-5 times and have them removed is demonstrating another problem...
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
Also that 4 to 5 posts is .002% across 10 years on the forum for Scorch, my ratio is far lower.
So where is the problem exactly?
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That's super frustrating, especially when foul language, personal attacks, or politics/religion aren't inovlved. "It was all a dream..." *POOF* leads to mistrust, mystery, and tin foil head garments.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Got 2 Warnings 3 years ago but I could not be arsed to appeal.
I kinda figured where this site was going in terms of moderation and decided to jog off.
Instead I brought my unwelcome negativity to the few Game Official Forums and funny enough never got a single warning in any of them.
I know you can't get into specifics but I have not seen anything even remotely trollish from you other than some pointed barbs every now and then. A few pointed my way if I recall correctly!
I for one agree with @MikeB that the overall moderation has gotten much better, although certain game forumS Can be over-moderated at times.
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- FPS Quiz - how well do you know your shooters?
I suppose when even flame wars have become boring, there isn't much left for the genre. MMORPGs (not to be confused with still popular MMOs like LoL) are certainly niche now.
May be if websites will re-classify popular games like Overwatch as MMORPGs faster, traffic will decline slower?
With games like Titanfall 2 & Dishonored 2, I don't think i need to pay any attention to MMORPGs anymore. For those who want my stuff, i have no MMORPG stuff left, unless you count D3 stuff, and THAT, you cannot have.
The dicussion quality has definitely improved with the exodus of the tourists.
But always nice to see a regular drop back in.
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Yeah, WB @nariusseldon
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"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Darkfall Unholy Wars:
Zushakon Odi