I still think that whenever a Guest Writer happens to be Matt Firor who leads the entire ZOS division - there should be a SPONSORED tag on the article.
just make all dev journals SPONSORED regardless of game/company to keep it fair
Are you serious?
Dead serious, transparency is good, no?
A clear signature with name and title, and Developer tag on article subject would be bad how?
and once again it says clearly in the first paragraph on the lead page ....
" exclusive developer journal Zenimax's own Matt Firor"
Very clear who what it is , unless not any particular individuals brain cell is desperately calling out for a playmate
whats Matt Firors role at Zenimax?
yeah very clear....
Seriously - you think that changing the signature from "Guest Writer" to Name + title + company would somehow be worse?
lol
Or adding a DEVELOPER tag to the title?
I mean these are like minor things that would add additional clarity - but somehow you find this - offputing?
Why?
wtf , can you not read or what ...It says
" exclusive Developer Journal Zenimax's own Matt Firor"
Now to anyone that can it most definitely states who and what he does at Zeni .. for those who cant i suppose its a case of Cant Understand Normal Thinking
I still think that whenever a Guest Writer happens to be Matt Firor who leads the entire ZOS division - there should be a SPONSORED tag on the article.
just make all dev journals SPONSORED regardless of game/company to keep it fair
Sounds fair as long as you put "sponsored by Trion" in your sig.
If Trino was paying me any money id do it, since they are not it would be a damn lie.
newsflash, game companies dont give 2 shits about 3rd party forums.
And on another note , so what you are saying is that these game companies like Trion who have paid for and invested time and resources into paid adverts on this site .. DONT CARE ....They are just needlessly and ignorantly wasting time,money and resources , Because according to you ..they DONT CARE...aint that fuggin rich ...
I mean .. hmm that would according to your statement , it would make for ex. Trion developers just plain stupid , i mean to not give 2 shits as you so eloquently put it , and needlessly throw time money and resources away , would make them Stupid at best ,foolish,ignorant, wasteful,dumb also come to mind ..
So thank you for clearing this up .. we now understand that Trion Devs are Stupid according to DMKAno
Im also certain that the folks who own this site will be glad to learn that Game Companies , there bread and butter , the entire reason they and us are here , dont give Two-Shits about them/us ..very good lmfao wtf
I still think that whenever a Guest Writer happens to be Matt Firor who leads the entire ZOS division - there should be a SPONSORED tag on the article.
just make all dev journals SPONSORED regardless of game/company to keep it fair
Sounds fair as long as you put "sponsored by Trion" in your sig.
If Trino was paying me any money id do it, since they are not it would be a damn lie.
newsflash, game companies dont give 2 shits about 3rd party forums.
And on another note , so what you are saying is that these game companies like Trion who have paid for and invested time and resources into paid adverts on this site .. DONT CARE ....They are just needlessly and ignorantly wasting time,money and resources , Because according to you ..they DONT CARE...aint that fuggin rich ...
I mean .. hmm that would according to your statement , it would make for ex. Trion developers just plain stupid , i mean to not give 2 shits as you so eloquently put it , and needlessly throw time money and resources away , would make them Stupid at best ,foolish,ignorant, wasteful,dumb also come to mind ..
So thank you for clearing this up .. we now understand that Trion Devs are Stupid according to DMKAno
Im also certain that the folks who own this site will be glad to learn that Game Companies , there bread and butter , the entire reason they and us are here , dont give Two-Shits about them/us ..very good lmfao wtf
lol - thanks for the chuckle
You do understand that putting ads for visibility is one thing.
Marketing is visibility to a large degree.
Post content of 3rd party website which is out of game companies hands is entirely a different thing.
This is why game companies focos on moderating their own game forums, because they cant moderate these forums, right?
chuckle all ya want ... you said .. quote
"newsflash, game companies dont give 2 shits about 3rd party forums"
when there target is the FORUM VISITORS
This statement applies to ,marketing , interviews or anything else .... But thx for playing ..You clearly think the Trion Devs/Pubs for ex. are stupid by dedicating time/money/effort to a site that you said , They DONT GIVE 2 SHITS about ....
ANd you clearly couldnt possibly hold a third party site in high regard if you think that game companies DONT GIVE a SHIT about them ...
and your last statement is more meaningless pointing out the obvious which you seem to enjoy doing ... Thx for helping us with that , Hey the sun will come up today and there will be widespread darkness tonite also ,right?
I still think that whenever a Guest Writer happens to be Matt Firor who leads the entire ZOS division - there should be a SPONSORED tag on the article.
just make all dev journals SPONSORED regardless of game/company to keep it fair
Sounds fair as long as you put "sponsored by Trion" in your sig.
If Trino was paying me any money id do it, since they are not it would be a damn lie.
newsflash, game companies dont give 2 shits about 3rd party forums.
And on another note , so what you are saying is that these game companies like Trion who have paid for and invested time and resources into paid adverts on this site .. DONT CARE ....They are just needlessly and ignorantly wasting time,money and resources , Because according to you ..they DONT CARE...aint that fuggin rich ...
I mean .. hmm that would according to your statement , it would make for ex. Trion developers just plain stupid , i mean to not give 2 shits as you so eloquently put it , and needlessly throw time money and resources away , would make them Stupid at best ,foolish,ignorant, wasteful,dumb also come to mind ..
So thank you for clearing this up .. we now understand that Trion Devs are Stupid according to DMKAno
Im also certain that the folks who own this site will be glad to learn that Game Companies , there bread and butter , the entire reason they and us are here , dont give Two-Shits about them/us ..very good lmfao wtf
lol - thanks for the chuckle
You do understand that putting ads for visibility is one thing.
Marketing is visibility to a large degree.
Post content of 3rd party website which is out of game companies hands is entirely a different thing.
This is why game companies focos on moderating their own game forums, because they cant moderate these forums, right?
chuckle all ya want ... you said .. quote
"newsflash, game companies dont give 2 shits about 3rd party forums"
when there target is the FORUM VISITORS
This statement applies to ,marketing , interviews or anything else .... But thx for playing ..You clearly think the Trion Devs/Pubs for ex. are stupid by dedicating time/money/effort to a site that you said , They DONT GIVE 2 SHITS about ....
ANd you clearly couldnt possibly hold a third party site in high regard if you think that game companies DONT GIVE a SHIT about them ...
and your last statement is more meaningless pointing out the obvious which you seem to enjoy doing ... Thx for helping us with that , Hey the sun will come up today and there will be widespread darkness tonite also ,right?
Forum Visitors = people that go to site and see ADs - and click on one of the ads
It stops there - that's why Blizzard, Zenimax, Trion, NCSoft etc.. advertise on this site
They don't care about what is being posted in the forums - as they have their own forums - and they focus on those.
If the forum posts were important to game companies - they'd have community people posting here all the time - and that's not happening.
Hence - the obvious thing is - it's not important, because it's a TINY minority.
Reading content of these forums is something that is done by a small minority that visits this site.
Posting on these forums is done by a less than couple of hundred people.
The forum posts are a tiny echo chamber - which is why dev studios don't really care about the content of posts here - as it's a TINY group of people that are irrelevant.
That's reality.
What I and you say means nothing -
Enjoy
You keep moving the goal posts , doesnt work , now its dev studios dont care about posts here ..
This site is a 3rd party forum , which you said " game companies DONT GIVE 2 SHITS ABOUT"
Now you want to add tiny meaningless parameters to such a blanket statement ... dance away ..Doesnt work
ANd again that statement applies to ads,interviews, marketing etc,,, , and your statement again makes no sense , Because the same devs as we have seen this week with Matt from Zeni took time to write an article , for us to ...wait for it ... Read , so is he only targeting ad clickers with that article just as Trion as done before , even doing interviews here for us to ..wait for us to ..READ ... WHy would they if they dont give TWo SHITS ABOUT US as you stated ..I mean from what you just said they are paying money only in hopes of baiting a couple ad-clickers, so why would they again throw away time/money and resources into articles and interviews , some of those interviews they answer questions from forum visitors that they DONT GIVE TWO SHITS ABOUT .......according to you
you need to retract this foolish statement ... Or hey , i got an idea , Beings you claim to personally know Trion devs so well have one of them stop by and Tell us they DONT GIVE TWO SHITS ABOUT this site or us .. Then i will retract mine ... otherwise you just keep dancing....
If Trino was paying me any money id do it, since they are not it would be a damn lie.
newsflash, game companies dont give 2 shits about 3rd party forums.
We will have to trust your word on that. Though you seem to love everything from Trion, and hate everything that competes directly with Trion Games. It could be a coincidence, but then again, maybe not. You are entitled to love all Trion Games of course, I am not suggesting any foul play, just that your bias in favor of Trion is really strong, and everybody noticed it.
Just a reminder.......this is still a News website, and an interview or column written by a developer is still news. As long as it is clear who the writer is, and in this article is pretty clear, MMORPG.com is doing its job. Many politicians are invited to write their biased political views on National Newspaper.....and they don't pay for it. It is perfectly normal.
We know that a developer is biased toward its product so we take everything he says with a pinch of salt. The worst thing is when a Journalist is paid to say good things about a game, that's wrong because you trust the journalist to be impartial (unlike the developer). But worst than that is the viral marketing, companies that pay posters on Social Media to create good vibes about their games in the community........rings any bells?
Lol - if you honestly believe that any company would spend even 1c on ANYONE posting anything on these forums. It's pretty hillarious, - yeah lets pay money to sway the whopping 200 active in forums...
Come on man, seriously?
Please dude....get real. You are not talking to a 16 y/o kid here.
If companies wouldn't care about third party website like MMORPG.com they would not spend money to advertise they games or pay journalists to write sponsored articles about their game. Why wouldn't they use "Viral Marketing" as well since it is a very powerful and effective marketing tool?
A Viral Marketing poster has to visit a number of different sites per day, he is not paid to just post in one site, so the fact that MMORPG.com have just few members left is irrelevant as it is one of the many sites the Viral Poster has to visit.
I am also not accusing you of anything, you might as well be a genuine Trion Fanboy, though you push the envelope really far, and many people noticed that (just be aware of that). Never than less it is ironic that the one person who is so clearly biased toward one Company (Trion) is the one accusing MMORPG.com of foul play and being biased toward some developers (in this case Zenimax).
Anyway we should stick with the Topic before this thread gets locked. And for the records, you started to derail it.
Yes , exactly .. right here : quote from BillMurphy : which was page 1, 4th post in this thread
Sponsored only applies for things that are
PAID for. This was not paid. I asked PR if Matt wanted to do this, he
agreed, and he wrote it. No money changed hands. I get what you're
saying, but it's not an ad. It's a guest article.
That should of been the end of it for any normal person without an agenda
ANd even after BillMurphy explained it to you, You still you went on and on about Tagging of article even after many people told you to let it go or .. Now this is irony .. It was suggested To you to PM the mods about it and voice your complanit there... Yet you didnt , then proceeded to inform all of us and the Site that :quote: "GAME COMPANIES DONT GIVE TWO SHITS ABOUT" this site or its forum visitors ..
A Viral Marketing poster has to visit a number of different sites per day, he is not paid to just post in one site, so the fact that MMORPG.com have just few members left is irrelevant as it is one of the many sites the Viral Poster has to visit.
Please read before you post. Also why you are so keen to prove that there are no Viral Marketers in this Site? Since you are NOT one of them just move on, let it go. You are totally off topic and you keep going.
A Viral Marketing poster has to visit a number of different sites per day, he is not paid to just post in one site, so the fact that MMORPG.com have just few members left is irrelevant as it is one of the many sites the Viral Poster has to visit.
Please read before you post. Also why you are so keen to prove that there are no Viral Marketers in this Site? Since you are not one of them just move on, let it go. You are totally off topic.
Because I can't fathom the idea that even a person who is paid for viral marketing would stop and post here more than once a month - they'd quickly realize it's the same group of posters who are already set in their ways, going on about nothing for the most part and saying how MMORPGs have died etc...
Rehashing the same topics over and over again
ANd the Derail continues ..ehh Let it go ..you are wrong...
And i am ceratin had this been a TRion article you would never have taken this stance that you have .. You would never have said it , and if anyone else had you would pew-pew it away and or report any negative comment as trolling...
Because I can't fathom the idea that even a person who is paid for viral marketing would stop and post here more than once a month - they'd quickly realize it's the same group of posters who are already set in their ways, going on about nothing for the most part and saying how MMORPGs have died etc...
Rehashing the same topics over and over again
Because it's their job. They don't get to pick and choose where they post.....they have targets. Until the Marketing Company realizes that's not worth posting in that particular Forum anymore, Viral Posters needs to keep up with their Targets. And not long time ago MMORPG.com was the place to go for every MMO player (certainly one of the top 3), it takes time before they realize that. Companies still advertise here, unless you haven't noticed the huge AD banners, so why you think Virtual Marketing is a no go? Why would Zenimax CEO care to write an article for MMORPG.com if he thought this site was irrelevant? Come on dude.
Anyway this could be the subject of an interesting thread, but that's not the right place to discuss it. You shouldn't be so obsessed by it unless it regards you personally, because that just adds to the rumors.
ANd the Derail continues ..ehh Let it go ..you are wrong...
And i am ceratin had this been a TRion article you would never have taken this stance that you have .. You would never have said it , and if anyone else had you would pew-pew it away and or report any negative comment as trolling...
Nope.
Nice attempt at mind reading - but you might want to stick to your day job.
Every dev article should be properly tagged as "developer" and signed by the real name and title instead of "guest writer"
Why wouldn't I want this?
The real question I've been asking since page 1 is - why wouldn't anyone want this?
I doubt that based on your history ..
ANd yes back to page 1 where your derailing of a good article by a Zeni dev started
ANd the Derail continues ..ehh Let it go ..you are wrong...
And i am ceratin had this been a TRion article you would never have taken this stance that you have .. You would never have said it , and if anyone else had you would pew-pew it away and or report any negative comment as trolling...
Nope.
Nice attempt at mind reading - but you might want to stick to your day job.
Every dev article should be properly tagged as "developer" and signed by the real name and title instead of "guest writer"
Why wouldn't I want this?
The real question I've been asking since page 1 is - why wouldn't anyone want this?
I doubt that based on your history ..
ANd yes back to page 1 where your derailing af a good article by a Zeni dev started
Derailing?
Might want to look at your posts in this thread.....
go ahead i dare ya go back to the beginning of the Article , go to the 4th post where BillMurphy gives a perfectly rational and acceptable reason for the direction of article .. Then read on as you argue with everyone and make the foolish claim that DEv/Pub Dont Give 2 SHits about this site or forum visitors ,only ad-clickers , Then your failed attempts for going on 3 pages now to defend this stance ...
Its all there for anyone to read ... you cant deflect the Truth
I vote for a "sponsered by" tag automatically on anyones post who has been shown to have any strong feelings towards a game company (I would also accept an "enemy of" for the opposite) so that we all know from the get-go whether to take their posts seriously or not.
I know, you aren't being paid but Bill quite clearly said that Zenimax didn't pay, so which is it?
I vote for a "sponsered by" tag automatically on anyones post who has been shown to have any strong feelings towards a game company (I would also accept an "enemy of" for the opposite) so that we all known from the get-go whether to take their posts seriously or not.
I know, you aren't being paid but Bill quite clearly said that Zenimax didn't pay, so which is it?
or atleast anyone that is an employee of a game company.
I vote for a "sponsered by" tag automatically on anyones post who has been shown to have any strong feelings towards a game company (I would also accept an "enemy of" for the opposite) so that we all known from the get-go whether to take their posts seriously or not.
I know, you aren't being paid but Bill quite clearly said that Zenimax didn't pay, so which is it?
or atleast anyone that is an employee of a game company.
I still think that whenever a Guest Writer happens to be Matt Firor who leads the entire ZOS division - there should be a SPONSORED tag on the article.
just make all dev journals SPONSORED regardless of game/company to keep it fair
Sponsored only applies for things that are PAID for. This was not paid. I asked PR if Matt wanted to do this, he agreed, and he wrote it. No money changed hands. I get what you're saying, but it's not an ad. It's a guest article.
how about a clear DEVELOPER tag?
Also a signature of the dev name and position held at the company instead of "guest writer"
what is the big deal? its just a damn article. read it and move on.
I still think that whenever a Guest Writer happens to be Matt Firor who leads the entire ZOS division - there should be a SPONSORED tag on the article.
just make all dev journals SPONSORED regardless of game/company to keep it fair
Sounds fair as long as you put "sponsored by Trion" in your sig.
If Trino was paying me any money id do it, since they are not it would be a damn lie.
newsflash, game companies dont give 2 shits about 3rd party forums.
And on another note , so what you are saying is that these game companies like Trion who have paid for and invested time and resources into paid adverts on this site .. DONT CARE ....They are just needlessly and ignorantly wasting time,money and resources , Because according to you ..they DONT CARE...aint that fuggin rich ...
I mean .. hmm that would according to your statement , it would make for ex. Trion developers just plain stupid , i mean to not give 2 shits as you so eloquently put it , and needlessly throw time money and resources away , would make them Stupid at best ,foolish,ignorant, wasteful,dumb also come to mind ..
So thank you for clearing this up .. we now understand that Trion Devs are Stupid according to DMKAno
Im also certain that the folks who own this site will be glad to learn that Game Companies , there bread and butter , the entire reason they and us are here , dont give Two-Shits about them/us ..very good lmfao wtf
lol - thanks for the chuckle
You do understand that putting ads for visibility is one thing.
Marketing is visibility to a large degree.
Post content of 3rd party website which is out of game companies hands is entirely a different thing.
This is why game companies focos on moderating their own game forums, because they cant moderate these forums, right?
chuckle all ya want ... you said .. quote
"newsflash, game companies dont give 2 shits about 3rd party forums"
when there target is the FORUM VISITORS
This statement applies to ,marketing , interviews or anything else .... But thx for playing ..You clearly think the Trion Devs/Pubs for ex. are stupid by dedicating time/money/effort to a site that you said , They DONT GIVE 2 SHITS about ....
ANd you clearly couldnt possibly hold a third party site in high regard if you think that game companies DONT GIVE a SHIT about them ...
and your last statement is more meaningless pointing out the obvious which you seem to enjoy doing ... Thx for helping us with that , Hey the sun will come up today and there will be widespread darkness tonite also ,right?
Forum Visitors = people that go to site and see ADs - and click on one of the ads
It stops there - that's why Blizzard, Zenimax, Trion, NCSoft etc.. advertise on this site
They don't care about what is being posted in the forums - as they have their own forums - and they focus on those.
If the forum posts were important to game companies - they'd have community people posting here all the time - and that's not happening.
Hence - the obvious thing is - it's not important, because it's a TINY minority.
Reading content of these forums is something that is done by a small minority that visits this site.
Posting on these forums is done by a less than couple of hundred people.
The forum posts are a tiny echo chamber - which is why dev studios don't really care about the content of posts here - as it's a TINY group of people that are irrelevant.
That's reality.
What I and you say means nothing -
Enjoy
So let me get this straight.
"Reading content of these forums is something that is done by a small minority that visits this site."
"Posting on these forums is done by a less than couple of hundred people."
So the vast majority of the people visiting this site, come here just to click on the adverts?
Lol - if you honestly believe that any company would spend even 1c on ANYONE posting anything on these forums. It's pretty hillarious, - yeah lets pay money to sway the whopping 200 active in forums...
Come on man, seriously?
Please dude....get real. You are not talking with a 16 y/o kid here.
If companies wouldn't care about third party website like MMORPG.com they would not spend money to advertise they games or pay journalists to write sponsored articles about their game. Why wouldn't they use "Viral Marketing" as well since it is a very powerful and effective marketing tool?
A Viral Marketing poster has to visit a number of different sites per day, he is not paid to just post in one site, so the fact that MMORPG.com have just few members left is irrelevant as it is one of the many sites the Viral Poster has to visit.
I am also not accusing you of anything, you might as well be a genuine Trion Fanboy, though you push the envelope really far, and many people noticed that (just be aware of that). Never than less it is ironic that the one person who is so clearly biased toward one Company (Trion) is the one accusing MMORPG.com of foul play and being biased toward some developers (in this case Zenimax).
Anyway we should stick with the Topic before this thread gets locked.
How many users READ forums here? do you have any figures?
I still think that whenever a Guest Writer happens to be Matt Firor who leads the entire ZOS division - there should be a SPONSORED tag on the article.
just make all dev journals SPONSORED regardless of game/company to keep it fair
Sounds fair as long as you put "sponsored by Trion" in your sig.
If Trino was paying me any money id do it, since they are not it would be a damn lie.
newsflash, game companies dont give 2 shits about 3rd party forums.
And on another note , so what you are saying is that these game companies like Trion who have paid for and invested time and resources into paid adverts on this site .. DONT CARE ....They are just needlessly and ignorantly wasting time,money and resources , Because according to you ..they DONT CARE...aint that fuggin rich ...
I mean .. hmm that would according to your statement , it would make for ex. Trion developers just plain stupid , i mean to not give 2 shits as you so eloquently put it , and needlessly throw time money and resources away , would make them Stupid at best ,foolish,ignorant, wasteful,dumb also come to mind ..
So thank you for clearing this up .. we now understand that Trion Devs are Stupid according to DMKAno
Im also certain that the folks who own this site will be glad to learn that Game Companies , there bread and butter , the entire reason they and us are here , dont give Two-Shits about them/us ..very good lmfao wtf
lol - thanks for the chuckle
You do understand that putting ads for visibility is one thing.
Marketing is visibility to a large degree.
Post content of 3rd party website which is out of game companies hands is entirely a different thing.
This is why game companies focos on moderating their own game forums, because they cant moderate these forums, right?
chuckle all ya want ... you said .. quote
"newsflash, game companies dont give 2 shits about 3rd party forums"
when there target is the FORUM VISITORS
This statement applies to ,marketing , interviews or anything else .... But thx for playing ..You clearly think the Trion Devs/Pubs for ex. are stupid by dedicating time/money/effort to a site that you said , They DONT GIVE 2 SHITS about ....
ANd you clearly couldnt possibly hold a third party site in high regard if you think that game companies DONT GIVE a SHIT about them ...
and your last statement is more meaningless pointing out the obvious which you seem to enjoy doing ... Thx for helping us with that , Hey the sun will come up today and there will be widespread darkness tonite also ,right?
Forum Visitors = people that go to site and see ADs - and click on one of the ads
It stops there - that's why Blizzard, Zenimax, Trion, NCSoft etc.. advertise on this site
They don't care about what is being posted in the forums - as they have their own forums - and they focus on those.
If the forum posts were important to game companies - they'd have community people posting here all the time - and that's not happening.
Hence - the obvious thing is - it's not important, because it's a TINY minority.
Reading content of these forums is something that is done by a small minority that visits this site.
Posting on these forums is done by a less than couple of hundred people.
The forum posts are a tiny echo chamber - which is why dev studios don't really care about the content of posts here - as it's a TINY group of people that are irrelevant.
That's reality.
What I and you say means nothing -
Enjoy
So let me get this straight.
"Reading content of these forums is something that is done by a small minority that visits this site."
"Posting on these forums is done by a less than couple of hundred people."
So the vast majority of the people visiting this site, come here just to click on the adverts?
nope, they come look at the articles on the main page, and maybe read one or 2 articles that interest them.
thats how the overwelming majority uses this site.
The ad clicks probably happen by accident mostly.
People that read and post on the forums are a tiny minority.
That I can partially agree with
The topics with the most views do seem to be mostly on articles, although drama topics like The rise and fall of MMORPG.com do seem to draw a big viewrship. Which says to me that many do, skim through the forums.
I still think that whenever a Guest Writer happens to be Matt Firor who leads the entire ZOS division - there should be a SPONSORED tag on the article.
just make all dev journals SPONSORED regardless of game/company to keep it fair
Sounds fair as long as you put "sponsored by Trion" in your sig.
If Trino was paying me any money id do it, since they are not it would be a damn lie.
newsflash, game companies dont give 2 shits about 3rd party forums.
And on another note , so what you are saying is that these game companies like Trion who have paid for and invested time and resources into paid adverts on this site .. DONT CARE ....They are just needlessly and ignorantly wasting time,money and resources , Because according to you ..they DONT CARE...aint that fuggin rich ...
I mean .. hmm that would according to your statement , it would make for ex. Trion developers just plain stupid , i mean to not give 2 shits as you so eloquently put it , and needlessly throw time money and resources away , would make them Stupid at best ,foolish,ignorant, wasteful,dumb also come to mind ..
So thank you for clearing this up .. we now understand that Trion Devs are Stupid according to DMKAno
Im also certain that the folks who own this site will be glad to learn that Game Companies , there bread and butter , the entire reason they and us are here , dont give Two-Shits about them/us ..very good lmfao wtf
lol - thanks for the chuckle
You do understand that putting ads for visibility is one thing.
Marketing is visibility to a large degree.
Post content of 3rd party website which is out of game companies hands is entirely a different thing.
This is why game companies focos on moderating their own game forums, because they cant moderate these forums, right?
chuckle all ya want ... you said .. quote
"newsflash, game companies dont give 2 shits about 3rd party forums"
when there target is the FORUM VISITORS
This statement applies to ,marketing , interviews or anything else .... But thx for playing ..You clearly think the Trion Devs/Pubs for ex. are stupid by dedicating time/money/effort to a site that you said , They DONT GIVE 2 SHITS about ....
ANd you clearly couldnt possibly hold a third party site in high regard if you think that game companies DONT GIVE a SHIT about them ...
and your last statement is more meaningless pointing out the obvious which you seem to enjoy doing ... Thx for helping us with that , Hey the sun will come up today and there will be widespread darkness tonite also ,right?
Forum Visitors = people that go to site and see ADs - and click on one of the ads
It stops there - that's why Blizzard, Zenimax, Trion, NCSoft etc.. advertise on this site
They don't care about what is being posted in the forums - as they have their own forums - and they focus on those.
If the forum posts were important to game companies - they'd have community people posting here all the time - and that's not happening.
Hence - the obvious thing is - it's not important, because it's a TINY minority.
Reading content of these forums is something that is done by a small minority that visits this site.
Posting on these forums is done by a less than couple of hundred people.
The forum posts are a tiny echo chamber - which is why dev studios don't really care about the content of posts here - as it's a TINY group of people that are irrelevant.
That's reality.
What I and you say means nothing -
Enjoy
So let me get this straight.
"Reading content of these forums is something that is done by a small minority that visits this site."
"Posting on these forums is done by a less than couple of hundred people."
So the vast majority of the people visiting this site, come here just to click on the adverts?
nope, they come look at the articles on the main page, and maybe read one or 2 articles that interest them.
thats how the overwelming majority uses this site.
The ad clicks probably happen by accident mostly.
People that read and post on the forums are a tiny minority.
So earlier in this thread .. Here you say :quote:
"Forum Visitors = people that go to site and see ADs - and click on one of the ads"
ANd now you are with a clear mind stating that Trion for ex. is dedicating time/money/resources in this site on Ads in hopes someone accidently clicks on one of them ...
And:quote:" they dont Give TWO SHITS ABOUT" this site or there forum visitors , and yet they do Ads here , they Post articles here and do Q&A here with a community they dont "Give 2 Shits about "according to you..
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" exclusive Developer Journal Zenimax's own Matt Firor"
Now to anyone that can it most definitely states who and what he does at Zeni .. for those who cant i suppose its a case of Cant Understand Normal Thinking
I mean .. hmm that would according to your statement , it would make for ex. Trion developers just plain stupid , i mean to not give 2 shits as you so eloquently put it , and needlessly throw time money and resources away , would make them Stupid at best ,foolish,ignorant, wasteful,dumb also come to mind ..
So thank you for clearing this up .. we now understand that Trion Devs are Stupid according to DMKAno
Im also certain that the folks who own this site will be glad to learn that Game Companies , there bread and butter , the entire reason they and us are here , dont give Two-Shits about them/us ..very good lmfao wtf
When you don't want the truth, you will make up your own truth.
"newsflash, game companies dont give 2 shits about 3rd party forums"
when there target is the FORUM VISITORS
This statement applies to ,marketing , interviews or anything else .... But thx for playing ..You clearly think the Trion Devs/Pubs for ex. are stupid by dedicating time/money/effort to a site that you said , They DONT GIVE 2 SHITS about ....
ANd you clearly couldnt possibly hold a third party site in high regard if you think that game companies DONT GIVE a SHIT about them ...
and your last statement is more meaningless pointing out the obvious which you seem to enjoy doing ... Thx for helping us with that , Hey the sun will come up today and there will be widespread darkness tonite also ,right?
This site is a 3rd party forum , which you said " game companies DONT GIVE 2 SHITS ABOUT"
Now you want to add tiny meaningless parameters to such a blanket statement ... dance away ..Doesnt work
ANd again that statement applies to ads,interviews, marketing etc,,, , and your statement again makes no sense , Because the same devs as we have seen this week with Matt from Zeni took time to write an article , for us to ...wait for it ... Read , so is he only targeting ad clickers with that article just as Trion as done before , even doing interviews here for us to ..wait for us to ..READ ... WHy would they if they dont give TWo SHITS ABOUT US as you stated ..I mean from what you just said they are paying money only in hopes of baiting a couple ad-clickers, so why would they again throw away time/money and resources into articles and interviews , some of those interviews they answer questions from forum visitors that they DONT GIVE TWO SHITS ABOUT .......according to you
you need to retract this foolish statement ... Or hey , i got an idea , Beings you claim to personally know Trion devs so well have one of them stop by and Tell us they DONT GIVE TWO SHITS ABOUT this site or us .. Then i will retract mine ... otherwise you just keep dancing....
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Though you seem to love everything from Trion, and hate everything that competes directly with Trion Games.
It could be a coincidence, but then again, maybe not.
You are entitled to love all Trion Games of course, I am not suggesting any foul play, just that your bias in favor of Trion is really strong, and everybody noticed it.
Just a reminder.......this is still a News website, and an interview or column written by a developer is still news.
As long as it is clear who the writer is, and in this article is pretty clear, MMORPG.com is doing its job.
Many politicians are invited to write their biased political views on National Newspaper.....and they don't pay for it. It is perfectly normal.
We know that a developer is biased toward its product so we take everything he says with a pinch of salt.
The worst thing is when a Journalist is paid to say good things about a game, that's wrong because you trust the journalist to be impartial (unlike the developer).
But worst than that is the viral marketing, companies that pay posters on Social Media to create good vibes about their games in the community........rings any bells?
You are not talking to a 16 y/o kid here.
If companies wouldn't care about third party website like MMORPG.com they would not spend money to advertise they games or pay journalists to write sponsored articles about their game.
Why wouldn't they use "Viral Marketing" as well since it is a very powerful and effective marketing tool?
A Viral Marketing poster has to visit a number of different sites per day, he is not paid to just post in one site, so the fact that MMORPG.com have just few members left is irrelevant as it is one of the many sites the Viral Poster has to visit.
I am also not accusing you of anything, you might as well be a genuine Trion Fanboy, though you push the envelope really far, and many people noticed that (just be aware of that).
Never than less it is ironic that the one person who is so clearly biased toward one Company (Trion) is the one accusing MMORPG.com of foul play and being biased toward some developers (in this case Zenimax).
Anyway we should stick with the Topic before this thread gets locked.
And for the records, you started to derail it.
That should of been the end of it for any normal person without an agenda
ANd even after BillMurphy explained it to you, You still you went on and on about Tagging of article even after many people told you to let it go or .. Now this is irony .. It was suggested To you to PM the mods about it and voice your complanit there... Yet you didnt , then proceeded to inform all of us and the Site that :quote: "GAME COMPANIES DONT GIVE TWO SHITS ABOUT" this site or its forum visitors ..
I already said:
Please read before you post.
Also why you are so keen to prove that there are no Viral Marketers in this Site?
Since you are NOT one of them just move on, let it go.
You are totally off topic and you keep going.
And i am ceratin had this been a TRion article you would never have taken this stance that you have .. You would never have said it , and if anyone else had you would pew-pew it away and or report any negative comment as trolling...
They don't get to pick and choose where they post.....they have targets.
Until the Marketing Company realizes that's not worth posting in that particular Forum anymore, Viral Posters needs to keep up with their Targets.
And not long time ago MMORPG.com was the place to go for every MMO player (certainly one of the top 3), it takes time before they realize that.
Companies still advertise here, unless you haven't noticed the huge AD banners, so why you think Virtual Marketing is a no go?
Why would Zenimax CEO care to write an article for MMORPG.com if he thought this site was irrelevant?
Come on dude.
Anyway this could be the subject of an interesting thread, but that's not the right place to discuss it.
You shouldn't be so obsessed by it unless it regards you personally, because that just adds to the rumors.
ANd yes back to page 1 where your derailing of a good article by a Zeni dev started
Its all there for anyone to read ... you cant deflect the Truth
I know, you aren't being paid but Bill quite clearly said that Zenimax didn't pay, so which is it?
or atleast anyone that is an employee of a game company.
what is the big deal? its just a damn article. read it and move on.
"Reading content of these forums is something that is done by a small minority that visits this site."
"Posting on these forums is done by a less than couple of hundred people."
So the vast majority of the people visiting this site, come here just to click on the adverts?
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
The topics with the most views do seem to be mostly on articles, although drama topics like The rise and fall of MMORPG.com do seem to draw a big viewrship. Which says to me that many do, skim through the forums.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
ANd now you are with a clear mind stating that Trion for ex. is dedicating time/money/resources in this site on Ads in hopes someone accidently clicks on one of them ...
And:quote:" they dont Give TWO SHITS ABOUT" this site or there forum visitors , and yet they do Ads here , they Post articles here and do Q&A here with a community they dont "Give 2 Shits about "according to you..
You need a nap