This is why the doomsday preachers get so frustrated, they've been announcing the imminent collapse of the project for almost 2 years now "this time is for realz!".
To be fair I would call it a draw. Most backers have been announcing the imminent arrival of SQ42 for the same ammount of time...
That said, that does not mean those of you who are interested in this game as something other than a train wreck should give the company a free pass every time a deadline is missed.
Lol.. you should look into who you're responding to. He's been preaching the SC gospel on numerous forums for years now
There's not a single time he's criticized CIG for anything.. other than some cliche "sure they could have done it better but look at all the lovely things they're doing!!"
I'm quite well aware of the nature of the individual I was addressing. Its the "This game can do no wrong" attitude that I fear. That was exactly my point, even a broken clock is right twice a day. I feel in many ways the angry continuous shit posters have won as the narrative is always about them. Even when a real potential pitfall about the game is discussed. "Oh no nothing could go wrong with this game, you're just a hater." is just as dangerous a mind set to get into as "The sky is falling."
Totally agree here. A healthy amount of skepticism is good for the soul. I am not a hater, at all, just a skeptic.
That said, that does not mean those of you who are interested in this game as something other than a train wreck should give the company a free pass every time a deadline is missed.
Lol.. you should look into who you're responding to. He's been preaching the SC gospel on numerous forums for years now
There's not a single time he's criticized CIG for anything.. other than some cliche "sure they could have done it better but look at all the lovely things they're doing!!"
I'm quite well aware of the nature of the individual I was addressing. That was exactly my point, even a broken clock is right twice a day. And your attitude is exactly what I was addressing as well. I feel in many ways the angry continuous shit posters have won as the narrative is always about them. Even when a real potential pitfall about the game is discussed. "Oh no nothing could go wrong with this game, you're just a hater." is just as dangerous a mind set to get into as "The sky is falling."
I don't belong to a group that thinks specific things, I have my own first hand experience to form my opinion. I don't think they're struggling with money and I don't think they won't release anything. I just think CR is incompetent and a liar. He's also taking advantage of people's excitement for the game by selling them jpegs (which will also fuck up his game's economy) I backed the game ~5 years ago. I'd love to play the game they promised but what gameplay they have released is so incredibly boring and uninspired I'm almost certain I will dislike whatever they finally release.
There's not a single time he's criticized CIG for anything..
Gospel on numerous forums? I've only participated on Frontier and I left after people who registered there just to attack me personally. Wasn't up for that.
Like... Have you ever said something positive about this game? Who obsesses into only discussing negativity is usually labeled as a "Hater".
Reminds me Star Citizen is the only game on the world where no such thing as haters exist. The target to villanize the ones who defend it is always fun to watch, as the poor little victims are these people who say "negative things". xD
Business don't just fly by the seat of their pants (good businesses that is) and they do try to have others fund projects.
So if I have 24 million in reserve but can get weekly funding by selling stuff or providing a service or billing a customer (more on that) then why would I touch the 24 million?
Companies that provide services will not touch their cash reserves but bill their customers in order to "pay the bills".
I know first hand that a company I worked for did that as well as a friend's company.
Now, this is dependent on that company actually having cash reserves.
No half-decent enterprise is going to sit on pile of cash unless it is required by nature of their business.
Ever wondered why all game studios(in fact any sw dev) build their core game first and itterate later on? With SC it is all other way round, they are building massive list of features without having core game play and mechanics first...
So indeed...."yeah"....
Well, these companies are holding cash so they don't pay taxes ...
not sure why the "lol" as your statement was that no half-decent enterprise is going to sit on a pile of cash.
And here are "half decent" businesses that do have cash reserves.
the second article does mention benefits of having cash reserves:
Benefits of cash reserves
Firms have an insurance against an economic downturn, this is important for firms in volatile sectors, such as commodities.
With large cash reserves, there is potential for investment and
acquisitions when the economic climate improves. Lack of financing
should not be a reason to cut back on investment because firms have the
capacity to dip into reserves.
Some of cash reserves are being invested in government bonds, which help to finance government deficits.
and while there are downsides it's not unheard of for companies to do this.
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Roberts is the perfect example of why these kickstarters always fail. This guy has a long history of going way over budget and way past deadlines. His career was built on over promising and not delivering. He is an "idea" guy, but sucks at things like meeting deadlines and managing. When you put someone like him in charge, you end up with lots of hopes and dreams, but no substance or results. All of this is just his vision and his grand ego. Now it's 2017 and he's now 3 years behind schedule and has already spent more money than most AAA games with no release date in sight. This will just drag on for as long as he can string people along until the money runs short. Then they release SQ42, call the project complete, and make a bunch of excuses for why the rest of the game never happened. Roberts will quietly fade away and let his brother or someone go down with the ship just like he did with his movie making career. The biggest impact SC will have on gaming is that people will be more careful about throwing money at people like this.
Always fail? Lol. That's funny. Oculus rift. What a fucking failure. SCAM
And there are some highly successful crowdfunding video games out there - highly acclaimed and commercially successful. The companies that made these games are usually already working on their second and third project.
So much for "always fail".
Have fun
To be clear Erillion. I do not believe SC or Oculus to be a failure. I own both lol. [mod edit]
There's not a single time he's criticized CIG for anything..
Gospel on numerous forums? I've only participated on Frontier and I left after people who registered there just to attack me personally. Wasn't up for that.
Like... Have you ever said something positive about this game? Who obsesses into only discussing negativity is usually labeled a "Hater".
Thanks for confirming that you never criticize them about anything.
I've said numerous times the game looks awesome and has potential. It's hard to be positive when they're so late, uninspiring, lie, have a shit flight model for their space sim etc and they still have a bunch of people like you supporting them on anything they do.
Maybe you feel you need to be re-actively positive because of all the criticism they (rightfully) get by people without rose-tinted glasses.
Thanks for confirming that you never criticize them about anything.
I do. You're just painting me as one extremist so you can attack me and stand a point sorts of "I have no credibility because I don't say negative things about the game all the time."
"Paint yourself as neutral as you paint the others as extremists so you can stand a point."
There's always 2 sides of a story, all I do is discuss the one that others always love to ignore, because everything about SC is and shall forever be something negative!
But mind me, ignore that doesn't happen and keep attacking me as you please.
Thanks for confirming that you never criticize them about anything.
I do. You're just painting me as one extremist so you can attack me and stand a point sorts of "I have no credibility because I don't say negative things about the game all the time."
"Paint yourself as neutral as you paint the others as extremists so you can stand a point."
There's always 2 sides of a story, all I do is discuss the one that others always love to ignore, because everything about SC is and shall forever be something negative!
But mind me, ignore that doesn't happen and keep attacking me as you please.
You had like 10 posts A DAY for more than a year (iirc)? Defending SC on every single one of them against dozens of people who hated or critisized it.
Thanks for confirming that you never criticize them about anything.
I do. You're just painting me as one extremist so you can attack me and stand a point sorts of "I have no credibility because I don't say negative things about the game all the time."
"Paint yourself as neutral as you paint the others as extremists so you can stand a point."
There's always 2 sides of a story, all I do is discuss the one that others always love to ignore, because everything about SC is and shall forever be something negative!
But mind me, ignore that doesn't happen and keep attacking me as you please.
You had like 10 posts A DAY for more than a year (iirc)? Defending SC on every single one of them against dozens of people who hated or critisized it.
If you think that's not extreme, ok.
Not as extreme as the people who spend all their time criticizing it. There are a few regulers. I don't know if there evangelicals like Derek Smart but I'm sure some of them are his alts
Being only positive (which you are) is the definition of rose-tinted glasses.
And the ones who do nothing but post negativity and hate on the game in here... are the rightful people? Okay then thanks for clarifying your bias. ~~ Star Citizen, the only game on the world where no such thing as haters exist!
Wanna fight m8? Or you just derailed the thread to be about me just for cheap baits?
Roberts is the perfect example of why these kickstarters always fail. This guy has a long history of going way over budget and way past deadlines. His career was built on over promising and not delivering. He is an "idea" guy, but sucks at things like meeting deadlines and managing. When you put someone like him in charge, you end up with lots of hopes and dreams, but no substance or results. All of this is just his vision and his grand ego. Now it's 2017 and he's now 3 years behind schedule and has already spent more money than most AAA games with no release date in sight. This will just drag on for as long as he can string people along until the money runs short. Then they release SQ42, call the project complete, and make a bunch of excuses for why the rest of the game never happened. Roberts will quietly fade away and let his brother or someone go down with the ship just like he did with his movie making career. The biggest impact SC will have on gaming is that people will be more careful about throwing money at people like this.
Always fail? Lol. That's funny. Oculus rift. What a fucking failure. SCAM
And there are some highly successful crowdfunding video games out there - highly acclaimed and commercially successful. The companies that made these games are usually already working on their second and third project.
So much for "always fail".
Have fun
To be clear Erillion. I do not believe SC or Oculus to be a failure. I own both lol. I was replying to that other idiot.
Thanks for confirming that you never criticize them about anything.
I do. You're just painting me as one extremist so you can attack me and stand a point sorts of "I have no credibility because I don't say negative things about the game all the time."
"Paint yourself as neutral as you paint the others as extremists so you can stand a point."
There's always 2 sides of a story, all I do is discuss the one that others always love to ignore, because everything about SC is and shall forever be something negative!
But mind me, ignore that doesn't happen and keep attacking me as you please.
You had like 10 posts A DAY for more than a year (iirc)? Defending SC on every single one of them against dozens of people who hated or critisized it.
If you think that's not extreme, ok.
Not as extreme as the people who spend all their time criticizing it. There are a few regulers. I don't know if there evangelicals like Derek Smart but I'm sure some of them are his alts
They're both equally as extreme, just for different reasons.
Maybe you feel you need to be re-actively positive because of all the criticism they (rightfully) get by people without rose-tinted glasses.
Be Positive = people rose-tinted glasses.
Be Negative = rightful oppressed people.
Enough said!
It HAS NEVER BEEN AS BLACK AND WHITE AS THAT. These type of topics have many shades of grey. If you only want to think binary, that is your privilege but that is not the reality.
As I said, a healthy dose of skepticism is good. Too many people promise the moon, the sun, etc. and deliver road apples.
No I don't want to fight, thanks for the offer though.
WELL THEN! You could have saved the baits if you didn't intend to pick a fight!
Uhhh.. you OK man?
Seems we just had a conversation like this last week and you went all pacifist when I was engaging in a little Forum PvP with you. Now you want to go at it with this guy?
I'm kinda hurt dude. What's wrong with me?
ON-TOPIC: Old news is old. OFC SQ42 is going to be OK. It's the financial back on which the PU will be finished.
Bartoni's Law definition: As an Internet discussion grows volatile, the probability of a comparison involving Donald Trump approaches 1.
No I don't want to fight, thanks for the offer though.
WELL THEN! You could have saved the baits if you didn't intend to pick a fight! You wouldn't be a great fisher.
I wasn't baiting you, just stating some facts, none of which you refuted. I remember you kept on accusing people of "baiting you" to get the mods involved when you posted back in the Frontier forums. Nice to see you're trying the same tactics here.
As I said, a healthy dose of skepticism is good. Too many people promise the moon, the sun, etc. and deliver road apples.
I agree this is all GREY. But for some it IS black and white, hence why this forum's mess.
I don't expect the great game ever, I never recommended it as that either. I do not defend that SC is going to deliver everything they promised either. I expect a fun game to play and that's it, that's what I buy games for.
I remember you kept on accusing people of "baiting you" to get the mods involved when you posted back in the Frontier forums. Nice to see you're trying the same tactics here.
Oh boy! You should have more respect for yourself than go that low. YOU were the one who decided to derail the discussion to be about me, that's baiting pure and simply, if I do the same thing about you, you're free to report me. It wasn't me that started it.
I using those tactics on Frontier? I actually got several infractions and even a temp-ban from those snarky poisonous snakes that were doing just that. Guess what reply do I get from Frontier's Community Manager once I poked them about it... Oh they know!
Maybe you're one of those who did that there, who knows...
Talking about alt account that registered on these forums days ago and created those angry thread rants as he played victim while crying for the Moderators?
> Guess who got perm-banned...
> Guess who created another alt-account the next day, doing the exact same thing...
> Guess who got perm-banned again... The circle of these forums...
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Totally agree here. A healthy amount of skepticism is good for the soul. I am not a hater, at all, just a skeptic.
I don't think they're struggling with money and I don't think they won't release anything.
I just think CR is incompetent and a liar. He's also taking advantage of people's excitement for the game by selling them jpegs (which will also fuck up his game's economy)
I backed the game ~5 years ago. I'd love to play the game they promised but what gameplay they have released is so incredibly boring and uninspired I'm almost certain I will dislike whatever they finally release.
I'll be trying to play it again on 3.0
..Cake..
Like... Have you ever said something positive about this game? Who obsesses into only discussing negativity is usually labeled as a "Hater".
And here are "half decent" businesses that do have cash reserves.
the second article does mention benefits of having cash reserves:
Benefits of cash reserves
and while there are downsides it's not unheard of for companies to do this.
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Everything means something else because this is Star Citizen.
"Paint yourself as neutral as you paint the others as extremists so you can stand a point."
GET A REFUND!!!!!
I've said numerous times the game looks awesome and has potential.
It's hard to be positive when they're so late, uninspiring, lie, have a shit flight model for their space sim etc and they still have a bunch of people like you supporting them on anything they do.
Maybe you feel you need to be re-actively positive because of all the criticism they (rightfully) get by people without rose-tinted glasses.
..Cake..
There's always 2 sides of a story, all I do is discuss the one that others always love to ignore, because everything about SC is and shall forever be something negative!
But mind me, ignore that doesn't happen and keep attacking me as you please.
Be Negative = rightful oppressed people.
Enough said!
You had like 10 posts A DAY for more than a year (iirc)?
Defending SC on every single one of them against dozens of people who hated or critisized it.
If you think that's not extreme, ok.
..Cake..
..Cake..
~~ Star Citizen, the only game on the world where no such thing as haters exist!
Wanna fight m8? Or you just derailed the thread to be about me just for cheap baits?
No I don't want to fight, thanks for the offer though.
..Cake..
They're both equally as extreme, just for different reasons.
..Cake..
It HAS NEVER BEEN AS BLACK AND WHITE AS THAT. These type of topics have many shades of grey. If you only want to think binary, that is your privilege but that is not the reality.
As I said, a healthy dose of skepticism is good. Too many people promise the moon, the sun, etc. and deliver road apples.
You wouldn't be a great fisher.
Seems we just had a conversation like this last week and you went all pacifist when I was engaging in a little Forum PvP with you. Now you want to go at it with this guy?
I'm kinda hurt dude. What's wrong with me?
ON-TOPIC: Old news is old. OFC SQ42 is going to be OK. It's the financial back on which the PU will be finished.
Bartoni's Law definition: As an Internet discussion grows volatile, the probability of a comparison involving Donald Trump approaches 1.
I wasn't baiting you, just stating some facts, none of which you refuted.
I remember you kept on accusing people of "baiting you" to get the mods involved when you posted back in the Frontier forums.
Nice to see you're trying the same tactics here.
..Cake..
I don't expect the great game ever, I never recommended it as that either. I do not defend that SC is going to deliver everything they promised either. I expect a fun game to play and that's it, that's what I buy games for.
Awww... It's not you... it's me.
I using those tactics on Frontier? I actually got several infractions and even a temp-ban from those snarky poisonous snakes that were doing just that. Guess what reply do I get from Frontier's Community Manager once I poked them about it... Oh they know!
Maybe you're one of those who did that there, who knows...
Talking about alt account that registered on these forums days ago and created those angry thread rants as he played victim while crying for the Moderators?
> Guess who got perm-banned...
> Guess who created another alt-account the next day, doing the exact same thing...
> Guess who got perm-banned again...
The circle of these forums...