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My son's PC problem with the monitor

cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 9,410
edited February 2017 in Hardware


I hope you can remember I asked for help on my sons PC awhile ago and yesterday we got it all assembled using the parts we got from Amazon. It was a PC shop who did it and the oddest thing is happening to the monitor . It keeps saying no VGA signal. Tried 4 monitors in the house used the HDMI , the DVI and both slots don't work. Take it back to the shop and it works on that guy's monitor but he tried it with our monitor again no luck.

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What could be causing this problem with the monitor? 
The monitor was working fine on another computer.
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  • hatefulpeacehatefulpeace Member UncommonPosts: 621
    Does it show the load up screen when you first start it up?
  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 9,410
    edited February 2017
    No. Also not a resolution issue because the shop fellow's monitor is an old one and he got it working at the 1024 resolution
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  • filmoretfilmoret Member EpicPosts: 4,906
    edited February 2017
    I'd say take the monitor and the computer to the shop and let him fix it.  It has to be a bios setting or something.  Unless you are saying that already happened and he couldn't fix it.
    Are you onto something or just on something?
  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
    This sounds a lot like what was going on with my wife's PC. Her's kept switching over to the on-board chip for some reason. Then one day her GPU  just started working and has since. Never could pin down what was causing it.

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  • hatefulpeacehatefulpeace Member UncommonPosts: 621
    The only thing I can suggest, is try loading it up with the on board graphics card. Try switching once in windows. Or try loading it up with the on board graphics, and going into the bios then change the MB setting to PCI express only. Other then that I am at a loss, that is weird if it works on the other monitor, and it works with monitors at your house. If your saying it doesnt work on the other monitors in your house, or on any of those other cables, it is the graphics card. 
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,088
    Did other monitors in the house work with the new computer?

    Did you try swapping out different video cables in the house?

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  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332
    I recently bought a crap monitor,it was screwed up in the switch.Kept telling me my resolution was wrong,no signal the whole shibam.
    Also saying no vga is sort of odd because that would be like a default setting.So i would do ask it asks and hookup to a VGA signal,then change it after you get it working.

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  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 9,410
    Tried 4 other monitors and no it did not work and yes we tested the cables on other monitors with other PCs all work but not with this new PC. The only time the PC worked was in the guys shop with his old monitor.
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  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332
    But did you try using vga because that is what it is asking for.You could also try to boot up in safe mode because that eliminates issues that can cause problems.Then when you get into windows make changes from there to use proper settings other than VGA.

    He is likely using vga setting with his old monitor in shop.Easiest way is to bring it back to him and either tell him to get it working with a REAL monitor lol,or yours.

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  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 9,410
    Thanks all will try getting everything to the chap and keeping my fingers crossed. My son used his own money to buy this feel quite awful for him he looks quite sad and down now.
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  • filmoretfilmoret Member EpicPosts: 4,906
    People really should read the OP before telling her to do what she already did.

    Ok make sure you are using the same cable and monitor from a working computer.

    Turn the monitor on first and plug hdmi into the motherboard.
    turn on the computer
    if that does not work then
    plug the monitor into the GPU
    turn monitor off while plugged into GPU and back on
    if that does not work then
    turn off the computer and turn it back on while plugged into the GPU



    More then likely he has disabled the HDMI port in the bios.  
    Are you onto something or just on something?
  • filmoretfilmoret Member EpicPosts: 4,906
    Ok I see what the problem is.   

    The guy is using that oldschool monitor hookup which shouldn't even work once you plug the video card into the motherboard.

    Somehow he made it work even though the video card is plugged in and well that shouldn't happen.
    He has changed something in the bios that he shouldn't have messed with which is why the video card doesn't work and instead the only thing that does work is that oldschool monitor hookup on the motherboard.

    You might be able to remove the video card and get it working but probably not because it is clear he did something that caused this problem.  
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  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130
    Is it posting? Like does all the text and stuff show up on start-up? Like the text that lets you get to a BIOS screen? Or does it literally never show anything except No VGA Signal? Also, this is going to sound stupid, but did you switch the monitor to DVI or HDMI setting? VGA is analog, DVI and HDMI are digital. So if it's saying no VGA signal then it's looking for the analog signal, not DVI or HDMI. 

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  • filmoretfilmoret Member EpicPosts: 4,906
    He needs to change the primary graphics in bios from onboard to PCIE.  You might be able to do this if you remove the video card but it appears he did something else because the HDMI port on the motherboard doesn't work.

    http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1858806/display-video-card-onboard-works.html
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  • OzmodanOzmodan Member EpicPosts: 9,726
    edited February 2017
    I agree with filmoret he definitely changed something in the bios.  Some of these boards have a bios reset jumper or some have a button, if yours has one use it.

    After doing this you will have to boot from the onboard GPU, change the bios to use the PCIE for graphics and then move your monitor cable to the graphics card port.

    And Gdemami what is with the lol?  Don't you have something better to do? This is obviously over your head.
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    edited February 2017
    The back panel of the PC should have two different sets of monitor outputs: one coming from the video card itself and a second one from the motherboard that you can usually find where all the USB and sound outputs are found.

    If it's just a problem with the BIOS being set to output from the built-in CPU graphics output the second monitor plug should work but not the first one.

    It's usually a very simple fix in the BIOS (which you usually access by holding the delete key while the computer is first turned on) to give priority (or better yet, exclusivity) to the PCIE video card.

    1. Just plug the monitor cable into the built-in monitor output
    2. Go into BIOS and make the change.
    3. Save the change and turn off the computer.
    4. Switch the monitor cable to the video card's output.
    5. Boot the computer and all should be well.
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,088
    edited February 2017
    Might be worth the investment to take it to a different shop to fix it.

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  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130
    cheyane said:


    I hope you can remember I asked for help on my sons PC awhile ago and yesterday we got it all assembled using the parts we got from Amazon. It was a PC shop who did it and the oddest thing is happening to the monitor . It keeps saying no VGA signal. Tried 4 monitors in the house used the HDMI , the DVI and both slots don't work. Take it back to the shop and it works on that guy's monitor but he tried it with our monitor again no luck.

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    Monitor ASUS VS228DE 21.5" Widescreen 16:9

    What could be causing this problem with the monitor? 
    The monitor was working fine on another computer.
    As most people in this thread have eluded to, it sounds like the guy in the shop set the motherboard to use the onboard VGA output in the BIOS so he could do his work on his monitor but then neglected to set it back to PCIE graphics.  Sloppy work in my opinion and also the first thing he should have checked when you brought the computer back to him.

    The only reason I would say it isn't BIOS is that the monitor is saying No VGA Signal, meaning that the monitor is expecting VGA. Most monitors have the ability to be set to Auto-Detect the signal or be set explicitly. So if it's saying No VGA Signal, literally, then I'd tend to lean more towards the monitor being explicitly set to VGA, opposed to the BIOS solution. I'd check the monitor settings before taking it back. 

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  • DarLorkarDarLorkar Member UncommonPosts: 1,082
    If you are not sure what to mess with in bios...you should have a reset to default options there somewhere as well.  That would be simplest if you are not familiar with all the options.
  • filmoretfilmoret Member EpicPosts: 4,906
    edited February 2017
    CrazKanuk said:
    cheyane said:


    I hope you can remember I asked for help on my sons PC awhile ago and yesterday we got it all assembled using the parts we got from Amazon. It was a PC shop who did it and the oddest thing is happening to the monitor . It keeps saying no VGA signal. Tried 4 monitors in the house used the HDMI , the DVI and both slots don't work. Take it back to the shop and it works on that guy's monitor but he tried it with our monitor again no luck.

    Intel Core i5 6500 3.2 ghz
    case aerocool 500

    Gigabyte GA-B250M-DS3H 

    GeForce® GTX 1060 WINDFORCE OC 3G gigabyte
    RAM 8GB Corsair Vengeance DDR4

    Hyper TX3i Cooler Master

    SeaSonic S12II 520 Bronze 520W

    WD WD10EZEX Blu Hard Disk Desktop 1 TB

    Windows 10

    Monitor ASUS VS228DE 21.5" Widescreen 16:9

    What could be causing this problem with the monitor? 
    The monitor was working fine on another computer.
    As most people in this thread have eluded to, it sounds like the guy in the shop set the motherboard to use the onboard VGA output in the BIOS so he could do his work on his monitor but then neglected to set it back to PCIE graphics.  Sloppy work in my opinion and also the first thing he should have checked when you brought the computer back to him.

    The only reason I would say it isn't BIOS is that the monitor is saying No VGA Signal, meaning that the monitor is expecting VGA. Most monitors have the ability to be set to Auto-Detect the signal or be set explicitly. So if it's saying No VGA Signal, literally, then I'd tend to lean more towards the monitor being explicitly set to VGA, opposed to the BIOS solution. I'd check the monitor settings before taking it back. 
    But the monitors are working on different computers.  Yes she used several.
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  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130
    filmoret said:
    CrazKanuk said:
    cheyane said:


    I hope you can remember I asked for help on my sons PC awhile ago and yesterday we got it all assembled using the parts we got from Amazon. It was a PC shop who did it and the oddest thing is happening to the monitor . It keeps saying no VGA signal. Tried 4 monitors in the house used the HDMI , the DVI and both slots don't work. Take it back to the shop and it works on that guy's monitor but he tried it with our monitor again no luck.

    Intel Core i5 6500 3.2 ghz
    case aerocool 500

    Gigabyte GA-B250M-DS3H 

    GeForce® GTX 1060 WINDFORCE OC 3G gigabyte
    RAM 8GB Corsair Vengeance DDR4

    Hyper TX3i Cooler Master

    SeaSonic S12II 520 Bronze 520W

    WD WD10EZEX Blu Hard Disk Desktop 1 TB

    Windows 10

    Monitor ASUS VS228DE 21.5" Widescreen 16:9

    What could be causing this problem with the monitor? 
    The monitor was working fine on another computer.
    As most people in this thread have eluded to, it sounds like the guy in the shop set the motherboard to use the onboard VGA output in the BIOS so he could do his work on his monitor but then neglected to set it back to PCIE graphics.  Sloppy work in my opinion and also the first thing he should have checked when you brought the computer back to him.

    The only reason I would say it isn't BIOS is that the monitor is saying No VGA Signal, meaning that the monitor is expecting VGA. Most monitors have the ability to be set to Auto-Detect the signal or be set explicitly. So if it's saying No VGA Signal, literally, then I'd tend to lean more towards the monitor being explicitly set to VGA, opposed to the BIOS solution. I'd check the monitor settings before taking it back. 
    But the monitors are working on different computers.  Yes she used several.

    I read this "Tried 4 monitors in the house used the HDMI , the DVI and both slots don't work." and assumed this was her moving around the monitor. She did note that the monitor was working fine on another computer, though. So maybe it's the monitor? The question would be "Did they connect the monitor to HDMI or DVI on these other computers, or were they VGA?" If they connected it and it worked find on VGA, then it could still be the monitor is set to VGA. The whole No VGA Signal is what bugs me most because if it's explicit enough to ask for VGA then you'd assume that it would be smart enough to know if it was looking for HDMI or DVI, too. So why the explicit VGA message? THAT is a monitor issue. NOW! I've seen my fair share of poorly worded errors on TVs, but I'd still check it. If it was set to autodetect then I'm assuming it would just continue to cycle through each port until it found one it liked and would settle on. That is unless it's set up to default to VGA and throws that message until it detects an EDID. Again, not out of the realm of possibility, but I'd still set the monitor to HDMI or DVI explicitly and try that first. 

    I'd do that before going to the BIOS. Oh and I wouldn't recommend resetting the BIOS as recommended above only because there could be other settings that you'll lose and just create more work, and it's no guarantee that it will resolve the issue. 


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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    CrazKanuk said:

    I read this "Tried 4 monitors in the house used the HDMI , the DVI and both slots don't work." 

    Well when I read that my immediate question was which DVI and HDMI slots? The ones on the video card or the ones that come straight from the MB.

    You always start with the simplest problems first when troubleshooting and the most likely thing is that she tried the video card slots and that for some reason the BIOS is not set to detect and autoselect and is probably using the built-in CPU output exclusively.

    I'm still betting this is the cause. Something the tech she took it to should have checked before anything else. I would have.

    The no VGA message is just the standard monitor message when it's not attached to anything providing a video signal. You can have it totally disconnected from any source and you'd see the same message.
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  • GruntyGrunty Member EpicPosts: 8,657
    edited February 2017
    Does it show the load up screen when you first start it up?
    The question here is does the monitor show it's own start screen image.  This is called the on board self test (OBST) mode.  My ASUS displays " ASUS, Inspiriing Innovation - Persistent Perfection."   If this does not display then the monitor is defective. 

    Receiving the No VGA displayed on the monitor suggests that the monitor is working but looking only at the VGA port for a signal. The ASUS website https://www.asus.com/Monitors/VS228DE/ says the monitor only has a single VGA D-Sub connection.  This is NOT good for a new monitor purchased in the last couple of weeks.

    The graphics card GeForce® GTX 1060 WINDFORCE OC 3G lists as having one each of a DisplayPort 1.43, HDMI 2.0b, Dual Link-DVI (called DVI - D). Look at this article for the differences in ports. 

    My suggestion is return that Monitor and get one with at least two of those ports in the last paragraph.  I highly recommend getting one with a DisplayPort and either of the the other two.  HDMI and DVI ports are still perfectly good though.

    If you get a new monitor with a DVI port it does not need to be Dual Link DVI but it does need to be either DVI-D or DVI-I. 

    If you're in Italy then what you have available probably won't be what's available in the U.S. This is the only 21" ASUS monitor listed on Amazon with HDMI: https://www.amazon.it/Asus-VK228H-Monitor-21-5-Screen/dp/B0084FNA5A/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1487786287&sr=1-1 for 157 Euro.  This page lists the specifications for this monitor: https://www.asus.com/us/Monitors/VK228H/specifications/

    If you have other possible sites to buy from list them here and someone may help you make a better choice.  


    TDLR.  Along with the no video signal the new monitor only has a VGA port.  In my opinion this is not good.  Return it and get a monitor that has at least one of the following ports; DisplayPort, HDMI, and/or DVI-D (or-I).   Let us know what online stores you have available to you in Italy so a recommendation can be made.  Amazon Italy only lists one monitor in 21" form factor with a DVI port on it for 157 Euro. 
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Grunty said:
    Does it show the load up screen when you first start it up?
    The question here is does the monitor show it's own start screen image.  This is called the on board self test (OBST) mode.  An ASUS monitor should display the work ASUS on the monitor upon start up even if it is not connected to the computer.  My ASUS displays " ASUS, Inspiriing Innovation - Persistent Perfection."   If this does not display then the monitor is defective. 

    Receiving the No VGA displayed on the monitor suggests that the monitor is working but looking only at the VGA port for a signal. The ASUS website https://www.asus.com/Monitors/VS228DE/ says the monitor only has a single VGA D-Sub connection.  This is NOT good for a new monitor purchased in the last couple of weeks.  

    The graphics card GeForce® GTX 1060 WINDFORCE OC 3G lists as having one each of a DisplayPort 1.43, HDMI 2.0b, Dual Link-DVI (called DVI - D). Look at this article for the differenced in ports. 

    My suggestion is return that Monitor and get one with at least two of those ports in the last paragraph.  I highly recommend getting one with a DisplayPort and either of the the other two.  

    If you're in Italy then what you have available probably won't be what's available in the U.S. This is the only 21" ASUS monitor listed on Amazon with HDMI: https://www.amazon.it/Asus-VK228H-Monitor-21-5-Screen/dp/B0084FNA5A/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1487786287&sr=1-1 for 157 Euro.  This page lists the specifications for this monitor: https://www.asus.com/us/Monitors/VK228H/specifications/

    If you have other possible sites to buy from list them here and someone may help you make a better choice.  


    TDLR.  New monitor only has a VGA port.  This is bad.  Return it and get a monitor that has at least one of the following ports; DisplayPort, HDMI, and/or DVI-D (or-I).   Let us know what online stores you have available to you in Italy so a recommendation can be made.  Amazon Italy only lists one monitor in 21" form factor with a DVI port on it for 157 Euro. 





    Even more TLDR: she tried 4 other monitors and they all did the same :)
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  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 9,410
    edited February 2017
    The chap has been working on it he did the bios and stuff and he found more or less the same thing I discovered that the current Nvidia cards the 1060 being one of those do not have the analog stream it only has digital output. Also the there is no DVI-I output on the card it only has the DVI-D output on that Gigabyte 1060 card. 

    You need an active converter the type that has a power supply and what I have and what the guy in the shop has is not that type of converter for the HDMI slot on the card to connect to the monitor.



     At this point probably easier to just buy a HDMI monitor.


    http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-3163326/problem-gtx-1060-hdmi-vga-converter.html
    http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-3203351/gtx-1060-problem-vga-monitor.html

    These two posts discuss it.
     The shop chap's computer monitor has every type of input from hdmi to older so the card works with his but not any monitor in my home . He has been trying since we left it at the shop at 10 am this morning. 

    This wont work
    Image result for dvi to vga converter

    The monitor displays the message identifying itself then says the no signal message plus it works on other computers @Grunty

    He is still trying anyway I will check back tomorrow with the results. Thank you all for seriously trying to help me.

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