This just in. The 1700x and 1700 are doing much better then first samples were showing. Right now the 1700x is comparable to the i7 6850k thats $400 vs $576
The 1700 is sort of in a spot all alone with no intel chips to compare it with.
Not about to explain yourself because you won't or can't. I'm not a stock expert like you. Please do explain how these both haven't had declines over the last 1 - 4 weeks. I'm open to reasoning.
Ok let me explain that to you. And all the other people who think you are so insightful for pointing at wrong information. First you have to understand the situation Intel is in they have zero reasons for stock to increase. Meanwhile AMD has 100 reasons for stock to increase on March 1.
Intel market closed Feb 28 @ 36.20 You see that drop after hours and beginning march 1 because Ryzen is about to launch. Then you see it recover because someone got Ryzen early and put up benchmarks. Intel closed March 1 @ 35.91
So intel lost a whopping 30c a share in 1 day. And after March 1 you see the usual market behaviour from Intel lately. Intel's 3 month high is only 37.98 a whopping 2% change at best.
AMD Should have seen a nice spike at March 1 because Ryzen launched and investors were poised to buy. Instead this happened.
It reached high on March 1 14.96 but ended up tanking almost immediately because of reviews and now we are looking at 13.00 a share. That is a 13% decrease in under a week.
Up untill Ryzen launched there was no reason for AMD stock to go down. Right now investors are thinking that they will not hit the projected sales numbers so they are selling and being very cautious about reinvesting.
Yes if AMD hits their sales figures the stock will go back up and wont go back down again untill they see a bad quarter. As of right now the stock will hit a low somewhere maybe 11-12$ As of right now there is no reason for the stock to go back up. Sorry but thats just how the world works.
All I said is that Intel's stock has also declined and I showed proof that both stocks have declined along a vaguely similar curve.
That isn't wrong. It's a fact which I showed in the graphs.
Your reasonable hypothesis could be true, but you're leaping to a conclusion with no proof. You don't know that is why AMD or Intel's stock has declined because you haven't proven it. All I'm saying is that while your hypothesis could be true, it could also be for any number of other unfactored reasons, such as a general decline in the tech hardware sector because investment funds are shifting due to market trends. It could be for any number of reasons.
I been following AMD for almost a year now studying their potential and stock prices. I been looking at this for way too long to be wrong about it. If those benchmarks continue to climb you will see AMD stock hit 16 before the next quarterly report. Stock always climbs or falls at quarterly reports and launch days of products. If for example they show a strong quarter then their stock will do nothing but climb untill either they have a bad quarter or they get some news of losing a contract or getting a new one. Its fairly simple but at the same time can be really complicated.
Look at any company if they make more money then projected then their stock rises. If they do not then the stock falls. Intel's stock has been falling because they aren't making as much money as they use to. And Intel's stock will not go up again untill they show a stronger then projected quarter, sign a big contract, or announce a new product, launch a new product that has good benchmarks.
I been following AMD for almost a year now studying their potential and stock prices. I been looking at this for way too long to be wrong about it.
Saying that about pretty much any stock ever is pretty foolish. If you really knew what a stock was going to do in the future, you'd be either buying or selling/shorting it, not telling people on a forum.
Which still doesn't change anything I said. Both stocks are declining over the last period which you defined. You speculation as to why is that, valid as it could be, but you offer no facts to support your conclusions as to why either are moving.
Those theories sound great to to someone like me who doesn't know anything about the stock market, but as a data analyst that deals in facts I haven't seen any from you that directly support your conclusions.
You are missing the fact that AMD's stock only began to fall after March 1. Meanwhile Intel's stock has been within 5% for over a year now. So when you say that Intel is failing you are incorrect.
Which still doesn't change anything I said. Both stocks are declining over the last period which you defined. You speculation as to why is that, valid as it could be, but you offer no facts to support your conclusions as to why either are moving.
Those theories sound great to to someone like me who doesn't know anything about the stock market, but as a data analyst that deals in facts I haven't seen any from you that directly support your conclusions.
You are missing the fact that AMD's stock only began to fall after March 1. Meanwhile Intel's stock has been within 5% for over a year now. So when you say that Intel is failing you are incorrect.
Not within the time period and scope you defined. You set the parameters I just made a factual observation within those.
Ok then from March 1 to now the grand total loss for intel is .63 a share. That is like .07% loss. AMD lost 2.04 a share. That is a 15% loss approx. The loss that you see for intel is nothing more then market fluctuation which happens all the time. That loss you see for AMD is a result of bad reviews of the Ryzen launch.
I'm thinking they will recover though because better benchmarks are coming in for the 1700x and 1700.
I been following AMD for almost a year now studying their potential and stock prices. I been looking at this for way too long to be wrong about it.
Saying that about pretty much any stock ever is pretty foolish. If you really knew what a stock was going to do in the future, you'd be either buying or selling/shorting it, not telling people on a forum.
Well we were at the point where we did not know because it all evolved around the Ryzen launch. But yes I did tell everyone and have links to prove to buy AMD and I even told them when the tipping point would be and how much risk was involved. The hype is over for them now they have to produce or things will get ugly really fast. Next quarter results is where its all at right now and if they can get the news turned around on Ryzen we will see another increase in stock price.
I been following AMD for almost a year now studying their potential and stock prices. I been looking at this for way too long to be wrong about it.
Saying that about pretty much any stock ever is pretty foolish. If you really knew what a stock was going to do in the future, you'd be either buying or selling/shorting it, not telling people on a forum.
Well we were at the point where we did not know because it all evolved around the Ryzen launch. But yes I did tell everyone and have links to prove to buy AMD and I even told them when the tipping point would be and how much risk was involved. The hype is over for them now they have to produce or things will get ugly really fast. Next quarter results is where its all at right now and if they can get the news turned around on Ryzen we will see another increase in stock price.
Very well then. Since you know all about AMD's future stock prices, let's get you on record. What will it be on April 1, May 1, June 1, and July 1 of this year? Let's take the last closing stock price on the last business day on or before the days in question, to make the question precise. If you can get those all correct to two decimal places, I will be very impressed.
I been following AMD for almost a year now studying their potential and stock prices. I been looking at this for way too long to be wrong about it.
Saying that about pretty much any stock ever is pretty foolish. If you really knew what a stock was going to do in the future, you'd be either buying or selling/shorting it, not telling people on a forum.
Well we were at the point where we did not know because it all evolved around the Ryzen launch. But yes I did tell everyone and have links to prove to buy AMD and I even told them when the tipping point would be and how much risk was involved. The hype is over for them now they have to produce or things will get ugly really fast. Next quarter results is where its all at right now and if they can get the news turned around on Ryzen we will see another increase in stock price.
I been following AMD for almost a year now studying their potential and stock prices. I been looking at this for way too long to be wrong about it.
Saying that about pretty much any stock ever is pretty foolish. If you really knew what a stock was going to do in the future, you'd be either buying or selling/shorting it, not telling people on a forum.
Well we were at the point where we did not know because it all evolved around the Ryzen launch. But yes I did tell everyone and have links to prove to buy AMD and I even told them when the tipping point would be and how much risk was involved. The hype is over for them now they have to produce or things will get ugly really fast. Next quarter results is where its all at right now and if they can get the news turned around on Ryzen we will see another increase in stock price.
I didn't go that far back, just threads that filmoret started himself.
Man some of you really got a grudge against me and go to extremes that honestly make you look bad because I've been right about AMD's stock for almost a year now. I'm not about to go into details about how to project stocks but I will show you where I said to buy and when I said to be carefull.
Now is the best time to grab some AMD stock for a quick profit. You want to grab it before they announce the quarter income. Solid chance it will be worth at least 50% more by February. That is when to either sell or reevaluate the potential.
no.. Last Nov was the best time to grab it , you are wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to late , bought it @ 1.72 last Nov ... Sold it @ 7.00 recently ..............nice investment
I would agree with you but somehow I don't see any posts of you predicting it or telling anyone to buy any of the stocks. I have a post telling people to buy the stock at 2.66 back in April. And you lose out because you sold it for 7.00 when its going to hit at least 10 by February.
Would you also like for me to find the post in April where I tell people to buy the stock at 2.66? Notice I said the stock would need to be reevaluated again in Feb. That is where I discovered that it was safe untill Ryzen launch and then its all up in the air.
Ever hear that a broken clock is right twice per day? Well, a clock that runs backwards is right four times per day.
You know man just because you don't understand doesn't mean you gotta be like this. At this point it doesn't matter because all you wanna do is troll and somehow prove me wrong about this. Maybe you should provide us with a link where I was wrong about AMD's stock.
Ever hear that a broken clock is right twice per day? Well, a clock that runs backwards is right four times per day.
You know man just because you don't understand doesn't mean you gotta be like this. At this point it doesn't matter because all you wanna do is troll and somehow prove me wrong about this. Maybe you should provide us with a link where I was wrong about AMD's stock.
1) This is a forum about hardware. Not stock prices.
3) How many times have you said AMD is going to go bankrupt/go under/fail/can't survive/etc - I've lost count, and I'm certain if I expended the effort I could probably find a half dozen posts where you say exactly that in the past few weeks alone (probably a lot of the same threads I already pointed out, since, you know, I have a personal grudge and all). I would think bankruptcy would have some minor effect on stock prices.
Ever hear that a broken clock is right twice per day? Well, a clock that runs backwards is right four times per day.
You know man just because you don't understand doesn't mean you gotta be like this. At this point it doesn't matter because all you wanna do is troll and somehow prove me wrong about this. Maybe you should provide us with a link where I was wrong about AMD's stock.
1) This is a forum about hardware. Not stock prices.
3) How many times have you said AMD is going to go bankrupt/go under/fail/can't survive/etc - I've lost count, and I'm certain if I expended the effort I could probably find a half dozen posts where you say exactly that in the past few weeks alone (probably a lot of the same threads I already pointed out, since, you know, I have a personal grudge and all). I would think bankruptcy would have some minor effect on stock prices.
You have selective hearing. "if they don't start making money" Really you missed the most important part of all my comments.
Ever hear that a broken clock is right twice per day? Well, a clock that runs backwards is right four times per day.
You know man just because you don't understand doesn't mean you gotta be like this. At this point it doesn't matter because all you wanna do is troll and somehow prove me wrong about this. Maybe you should provide us with a link where I was wrong about AMD's stock.
1) This is a forum about hardware. Not stock prices.
3) How many times have you said AMD is going to go bankrupt/go under/fail/can't survive/etc - I've lost count, and I'm certain if I expended the effort I could probably find a half dozen posts where you say exactly that in the past few weeks alone (probably a lot of the same threads I already pointed out, since, you know, I have a personal grudge and all). I would think bankruptcy would have some minor effect on stock prices.
You have selective hearing. "if they don't start making money" Really you missed the most important part of all my comments.
so are you saying your claims was "If AMD does not make money, sooner or later they will go bankrupt"
Are you going to tell people the sun is hot next?
“It's unwise to pay too much, but it's worse to pay too little. When you pay too much, you lose a little money - that's all. When you pay too little, you sometimes lose everything, because the thing you bought was incapable of doing the thing it was bought to do. The common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a lot - it can't be done. If you deal with the lowest bidder, it is well to add something for the risk you run, and if you do that you will have enough to pay for something better.”
Ever hear that a broken clock is right twice per day? Well, a clock that runs backwards is right four times per day.
You know man just because you don't understand doesn't mean you gotta be like this. At this point it doesn't matter because all you wanna do is troll and somehow prove me wrong about this. Maybe you should provide us with a link where I was wrong about AMD's stock.
1) This is a forum about hardware. Not stock prices.
3) How many times have you said AMD is going to go bankrupt/go under/fail/can't survive/etc - I've lost count, and I'm certain if I expended the effort I could probably find a half dozen posts where you say exactly that in the past few weeks alone (probably a lot of the same threads I already pointed out, since, you know, I have a personal grudge and all). I would think bankruptcy would have some minor effect on stock prices.
You have selective hearing. "if they don't start making money" Really you missed the most important part of all my comments.
so are you saying your claims was "If AMD does not make money, sooner or later they will go bankrupt"
Are you going to tell people the sun is hot next?
The sad thing is you wouldn't believe the amount of people who argued with it.
There's no personal grudge, but if one posts stupidities in a domain I know well because it's part of my job, I will say it. And when that person repeatedly posts nonsense, I will repeatedly correct him. Want it to stop? Stop posting nonsense.
And to think all this started because we got some new samples showing that the 1700 and 1700x are doing much better then people first tested.
There's no personal grudge, but if one posts stupidities in a domain I know well because it's part of my job, I will say it. And when that person repeatedly posts nonsense, I will repeatedly correct him. Want it to stop? Stop posting nonsense.
I know I write too much and its hard for people to read everything so they begin frothing at the mouth before even finishing the statements. Which is why it seems a lot of people have ignored the things I said that would make a good recovery from the bad launch. Things that seem to be falling into place.
AMD preparing to release their server boards. Wish these were their desktop chips. Each CPU comes with 32 cores 64 threads. 60 pci-e 3.0 lanes, 8 channel memory. Would be absolute monsters as a workstation. Only issue will be clock. Packing that many cores into a single chip usually means thermals keeps the clocks low. Probably under 2ghz.
Perhaps one of the reasons some games run better on Intel at the moment.
For a single-threaded benchmark, that doesn't matter. If there's only one thread, there's no way to foolishly put two threads on the same physical core. For a well-threaded benchmark, that also doesn't matter. You're going to fill up both logical cores on every physical core, anyway.
Where it matters is intermediate cases, when you want different threads to be on different physical cores. Synthetic benchmarks generally aren't in this case, but games typically are. I expect that in any situations where performance is higher with hyperthreading (or whatever AMD calls their version) off than on, fixing that glitch can raise the performance with hyperthreading on to match what it is with it off, or maybe occasionally a little more. But that's all the gains that you're likely to see from it.
A clean sweep for Intel. If Intel have "felt the pressure" of Ryzen then they seem to have responded. Have to assume that AMD's next step will be Ryzen 5.
A clean sweep for Intel. If Intel have "felt the pressure" of Ryzen then they seem to have responded. Have to assume that AMD's next step will be Ryzen 5.
Oh, I think we've seen some return fire from Intel already. But you are correct, Intel isn't feeling any significant pressure in the gaming arena, so the response from Intel hasn't been in the gaming/consumer market.
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Can't wait for the next update. I got my popcorn.
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
Look at any company if they make more money then projected then their stock rises. If they do not then the stock falls. Intel's stock has been falling because they aren't making as much money as they use to. And Intel's stock will not go up again untill they show a stronger then projected quarter, sign a big contract, or announce a new product, launch a new product that has good benchmarks.
I'm thinking they will recover though because better benchmarks are coming in for the 1700x and 1700.
http://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/460305/nvidia-takes-laptop-graphics-with-huge-lead/p1
http://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/459707/ooh-amd-being-sneaky-with-cpus/p1
I didn't go that far back, just threads that filmoret started himself.
Did I ask the wrong question, or did I ask it in the wrong thread? Either way I apologize to Quizz, in particular.
WTF was I thinking?
Thanks again, for your help, Quizz!
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Would you also like for me to find the post in April where I tell people to buy the stock at 2.66? Notice I said the stock would need to be reevaluated again in Feb. That is where I discovered that it was safe untill Ryzen launch and then its all up in the air.
2) https://www.forbes.com/sites/frederickallen/2013/01/15/cat-beats-professionals-at-stock-picking/#2a3e6999621a
3) How many times have you said AMD is going to go bankrupt/go under/fail/can't survive/etc - I've lost count, and I'm certain if I expended the effort I could probably find a half dozen posts where you say exactly that in the past few weeks alone (probably a lot of the same threads I already pointed out, since, you know, I have a personal grudge and all). I would think bankruptcy would have some minor effect on stock prices.
Are you going to tell people the sun is hot next?
--John Ruskin
https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/microsoft-confirms-windows-bug-is-holding-back-amd-ryzen.html
Perhaps one of the reasons some games run better on Intel at the moment.
Where it matters is intermediate cases, when you want different threads to be on different physical cores. Synthetic benchmarks generally aren't in this case, but games typically are. I expect that in any situations where performance is higher with hyperthreading (or whatever AMD calls their version) off than on, fixing that glitch can raise the performance with hyperthreading on to match what it is with it off, or maybe occasionally a little more. But that's all the gains that you're likely to see from it.
A clean sweep for Intel. If Intel have "felt the pressure" of Ryzen then they seem to have responded. Have to assume that AMD's next step will be Ryzen 5.
With the Pentium 4560 shown at $65 on Amazon http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-hierarchy,4312.html
NB: the recommendations are for "gaming" not "servers".