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MadAce
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Hi,
I wanted to play an mmo serious for some time but I didn't know whitch one! So I needed to form an opinion.
After months of trying out, testing, reading reviews, talking asking, meddling, viewing screens, watching movies, reading faqs and bottering people to play with their account I finally managed to narrow it down... 
For me the coice is between 3 mmo's right now:
-World of Warcraft
-Guild Wars
-Eve-Online
I'm more inclined to play eve because I'm a huge sci-fi fan. But on the other hand World of Warcraft boasts more players than eve. But then again Guild Wars feature guild wars (du'h!) in which I'm very interested as I am really social but on the other hand war-loving
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My profile: trader, social, non-agressive, megalomanic, strategic genious, hard-tempered, steady nerves, persistent, too much principals, a litlle too serious, roleplayer, empirebuilder, going all the way always...
So what would you advice to be my sort of game?
I don't care about the costs or the time I spend on it (min 2hours/day).
While your at it what kind of character (race, class, ...) would fit my acording to you? And why? Just to be extra sure
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I'm posting this in general discussion and in the mmorpg.com forums of wow, gw and eve just to get the broader perspective.
TNX!
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GW is the same, its also just combat. There are no monthly fees for a reason, it has an ending and doesnt last long.
Now it sounds like you would love EVE, but you need to know that it's very slow paced. Social interaction is limited if you join a small corp because you never really cross paths with anyone. The story line is very detailed and long for you RP fanatics to study up on
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MMOs Retired From: Earth and Beyond, Project Entropia, There, A Tale in the Desert, Star Wars Galaxies, World of Warcraft, Eve Online, City of Heroes/Villains.
MMOs Currently (worth) Playing: None.
MMO hopefuls: Age of Conan.
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Exactly, As long as there is a free trial there is no excuse for not seeing for yourself if you like a game.
That doesn't matter. Two different genres and types of game really. WoW also more server worlds than EVE which only has one server world (besides the test one). EVE just set a record for their game with 12,895 users on at the same time. Not too shabby!
If you like simplistic games where you grind for items, and have pointless deathmach pvp, get WoW and GW. On the other hand, if you like depth and open ended gameplay not seen in any other games, get EVE. The community is mature and excellent.. if you join up for the trial, join a corp to get a greater experience.
Btw, I played WoW.. horrid grind game, got boring real fast, if you like grinding for items that help you grind for better items lol, then by all means get it... don't get tricked into the hype. I wont even mention the "community" of 10 year olds.. great if you enjoy getting flamed for no reason or listening to kiddie whine fests. GW is very shallow team deathmach type of game... might as well CS:S or Battlefield 2 for the similar type of gameplay. Got a copy of BF2 myself.
Mnay aspects of Eve have a predicesor, Meridian 59.
It is different from Eve, simularity is that in Meridian Player compete for limited resources, like in Eve.
And all Meridian is 0.0 zone, exept town which are 1.0 zone exept for guild wars purpouses.
This is what makes eve stand out from the rest.
http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=172529&page=1
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After reading this I'm even more drawn to the EVE side.
BUT, Ryctor, I understand the post (I allready played in total for about 1.5 months in two accounts) and I am stunned and full of respect for the corp that pulled this of.
The reason why EVE is in my top 3 is because the social aspect is perfect. But then again, I'm a power hungry trategic genious. And I want to use those skills. And therefore I shall ultimately (after about six months) have to start my own corp. Because my experience with EVE is that there isn't really any corp perfectly organised. If I get the chance mine will be. No bragging, just facts. BUT, if I start to play EVE now, I will never ever catch up with first day players, so I will never earn enough (real) respect to start a corp that will eventually be powerfull.
I think that's an exact analysis. Or not?
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i was/am a day one player and have ~100 million isk and 8m skillpoints (iirc, might be 12m). I know that loads of players have more isk and skillpoints than me, power comes from numbers in eve, not time spent playing. Each player can still only pilot one ship, and the way the skill system is implemented means that you can get to within 5% of someone with a level 5 skill quite quickly.
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PvE in general is pretty lame, if you think long and hard about it. You are spending your time beating a severely gimped AI that would lose to a well trained monkey. Best not to think too long and hard why you are wasting time playing games in general actually...
Not really true. The key to building respect as a corp in EVE is start small and start to build up. The corp and alliance scene is in a more or less constant state of flux, and there are many openings for a new corp that can prove itself to do so in a way that makes sense. Yes, there are others who are *very* established, but the vagaries of alliances and internecine warfare result in a lot of flux in the corp and alliance world.
The reality is you'll never have as many SPs as someone who has been consistently training since day 1, but that doesnt really matter ... what you do is pick an area you want to specialise in and skill up there, and within 4-6 months you'll be as caught up to them in that area as you ever would be anyway, and then you can start training something else. Important Tip on that: train the attribute-enhancing learning skills up to 4 and then 5 during this period as well. In the medium term it will save significant training time down the road.
I would say 2 things:
1. Guild Wars is a definate. NO SUBSCRIPTION! Buy it, play it, enjoy the fantasy and PvP stuff. Nothing to lose but the $50.
2. EVE is the best space MMO. Even though it takes a bit to get into the complex gameplay, it's really cool. Plus, you can catch up to the "big guys" and give people a run for their money.
At the Guiding Hand, we hold the contract sacred - if the client wishes us to skin a target's loved ones alive and wear their face for a mask while killing them, we will do so ~ Istvaan Shogaatsu
Ok! That's it!! I'm gonna play EVE!!
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Oh shit, the character creation...
Can anyone help me so I don't spend any skill points on retarted stuff??
I wanna concentrate on trading because the last time I played EVE I spend hours mining and those hours were ten times more boring then a same amount of hours spend on flying to another region...
But what race/bloodline is best for trading(big cargo space, good speed,...) and which race/bloodline is good for long range combat, I mean as long range as possible. Because last time I didn't have such good experiences with my short range Amarr character... (died,died,podded;destroyed,killed,...)
I was thinking Caldari/Deteis but I heard that race concentrates on missiles/torpedoes so that's for medium range.
So maybe gallente but those bloodlines don't have as big as a cargo space as Caldari ships... HELP!!
Oh yea, good willpower would be nice because I wanna train some social and corp skills if possible...
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I would not arrange your character attributes for trading, in any case. Trading is going to have a bit of a shakeout at the moment due to the closure of many stargates (basically shutting down the old highways), and regional economies are going to be gaining in importance. It's a shakeout period, so I'd recommend looking to see what is happening before committing to trading.
I wouldn't choose your race for cargo space. You can always train the ships of another race. The largest cargo ships are Gallente, but they take a while to train whether you are Gallente or not. Longest range that's accessible for newer players would still be missiles, but missiles were just pretty comprehensively nerfed. Otherwise, when you're more advanced, with booster modules and the like, you can have very long range guns on battleships of several races.
I would not recommend spending a lot on charisma. I would put the bulk of the points in willpower and perception, then intelligence and memory. You can train the trade and/or social skills easily enough without spending a lot of attribute points on charisma, and there are a lot more skills that drive off perception and willpower.
caldari deteis will give you the most balanced stats atm. You can get a nice 20/19/17/17/15 attribute combo with training skills trained to 9 and no implants.
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Ok, tnx
Any more tips on character creation are welcome but I have a final question.
I'm buying a new pc (old one burnt down, I know I don't need a NASA system to run EVE) and I wonder what some of the known hardware problems are. Is there a prodessor/graphics card that has problems with EVE?
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Nvidia cards dont have as many problems as ATI cards. Thats the only hardware concern I know about with eve.
I also found the newest drivers for the nvidia cards will make eve crash when you run 2 clients.
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I am in the free trial right now. Have 8 days left. The graphics in the game are great. So no problem there. The game play itself, I have had many problems with it. The tutorial wasn't bad to understand just very buggy. Didn't help much when one is learning the game.
There hasn't been much help. They have a rookie chat for those who need help. They haven't been very helpful either. I for one will not be continuing this game once the free trial is up.
All the other MMORPG are pretty much the same. The same kind of game play which for me gets boring real quick. Wished the game play on EVE worked out better for me. It is different in many ways, just too buggy for me and can't see paying monthly for it.
What you needed, was to have a couple of friends to join in the game with you. Would have made it more interesting. As for bugs, I don't seem to have suffered from a lot in the game, just a few minor ones that I reported and were fixed within a week. So support from CCP is top notch and fast, if you needed help, all you had to do was ask on forums, I would have gladly given you cash to help or brought you a ship if thats what you needed. Even going as far to supply you with some equipment that I had spare and you could afford and I know there are a lot of people in the game that would do the same thing.
As for the Help and rookie channels, most players close them down right away due to people just spamming them, so of course they won't be much help. I was so happy when I joined a Corp with some friends and lost the spam from that channel as well. What my mate did was strike up a convo with a player saying he had a nice ship (was a Caldari Raven Battleship), and next thing you know, we were in a corp, given money and ships and shown around.
So the help is there in the game, you just have to know where and how to ask for it. So sorry to see you leaving a top notch game due to it, but if it's not for you then there is no point playing it I suppose.
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I've found the noob help channel to be invaluable personally. There always seems to be at least two (usually more) people bending over backwards to help everyone they can.
The tutorial ran fine for me and as for bugs, the only one I've encountered so far is a slightly annoying problem when alt-tabbing which was apparently introduced in the last patch.
EvE does require a lot of patience and initiative when compared to any other MMO, but it seems to be paying off, for me at least.
Sorry to hear that. You unfortunately picked a bad time to do a free trial, because the servers were very jittery for several days running. That hasn't happened in quite some time, and CCP are on the issue, but in the context of a 14 day trial it can be very irritating. Normally EVE is not all that buggy.
I've played GW, and it's very addicting at first. However, in 1-2 weeks of playing, and ascending my W/Mo and obtaining some 15k armor, I wasn't as addicted anymore.
Now, I usually just start a new character (E/Mo), and repeat the process or do some farming runs/pvp.
The game is still fun and updated, but I just lost some interest.
WoW in the otherhand I wouldn't know since I never played it. I've played Runescape before for a few years and it was a time consuming skill/stat oriented game. Tiresome and repetitive.
Eve Online however, is a new experience. I can train skills while I'm sleeping. Autopilot and afk for a bit while I'm trying to reach a location, and gain money in different ways such as pirate hunting, mining, and missions. The game has unlimited boundaries to explore, and has a very mature and helpful community.
As mentioned, the game is quite complicated at first. However, in time, you'll learn most of the basics.
Eve, nice looking and a promising game on the start, fail short very soon.
It seems on a start that your intelligence is more important then SP, but this impression is wrong. You can not really use your intelligence to develop your character.
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Thinks I accouter as a newbie:
Wrong, incorrect, misleading description of the object, example:
Description says that that ammo will do more damage from a bigger distance.
In reality, ammo does less damage on bigger distance.
Non working skills and modules.
In Eve you are always behind. As a new player, you can not have and try all skills.
You time is limited and you needed to decide what to train.
The only way to do it intelligently is to read in game documentation.
Unfortunately Eve is full of modules and skills that are buggy do not work as described or do not work at all.
So, you have read description and train to use module, after ½ year of training skill you might find out that module still does not work.
I did not train for ½ year, but what I did train:
Fast talk skill has no effect.
Tracking dampeners do not work on NPC with out any reason or even information that it is does not working.
So, you read documentation, you lay out plan for your character, but then you actually come to stuff, if does not work. Well, you just wasted your time and your intelligence got insulted.
Yes, I could understand reason why they were switch of NPC, they are overpowering.
They are overpowered in fleet p-p to, making turret ship basically useless.
That is just bad design and implementation and complete disrespect from CCP for new players. If something unbalanced, balance it or delete from the game.
Do not lay traps for newbies.
Arguments that one cal look on fun sides is wrong. I found that information on fun sides most often wrong, misleading or absolute.
It seems to me CCP concentrated on High level features and completely ignoring new players. You can not use high level features for a year or more from start. But you basic features are buggy or do not work.
In addition, contrary to what you will hear, in eve skill points give exponential returns, not diminished return.
Older player will learn new skills about 1.8 times faster then you. In addition, L 5 skill gives ability to use a lot overpowering ships and modules.
To use assault cruiser, for example, you need to have 20 skills at L 5. Learning a skill to L 5 can take up to a month or 2, depends on skill and your stats.
first of, you need to train learning skills if you want to be able to train faster. and i still havnt had any trouble with modules not working as they should now that ew works on npc. still trying to find out what moduled you had to train half a year to use casue i cant find it. and event tho you may never get as many sp as those that started maybe 2 years before you doesnt meen that you cant fight them, last time i checked a char with 1.5-2mill sp can beat someone with 20mill. its not how much sp you have that counts but how you use it
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