What else can you do on a console besides gaming unless you count watching a dvd which I don't think should not be counted. A controller really limits activities to strictly gaming. Even using the console UI is a real pain when it comes to having to use the controller.
We'll be getting a Scorpio to replace the roku set top box and the bd-player. My son watches stuff on Netflix and YouTube all the time on his PS4. It's great for non-productivity stuff. PCs are great for work.
Why would I want to keep dumping money into gaming PCs for the family when I can do that with consoles much cheaper and use more mobile and portable pcs for work. In couple years we may not even need a desktop in the house. I'll be able to get away with a couple hybrids (like Surface Pro or Galaxy Book) and maybe an AiO for my daughter. On top of the cost there is the room a tower takes up. I'm pretty tired of that.
well gaming choices in my view should not be depended on what is the cheapest unless your living under a bridge. Gaming is pretty cheap hobby anyway you shake it.
That said, about 10 years ago I had a crazy thought. I thought, 'what would happen if I just moved my couch closer to a screen instead of buying a larger TV set?
Well that eventually turned me to turning my living room into an office. Basically a huge PC monitor, sofa right behind it, PC does everything. gaming and movies.
To be fair I live alone but also to be fair I have had people over and they all sat on the couch and we watched movie just like normal people would.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Consoles are made for gaming and they do that better than PC.
Put the game in and it works as intended 99.9% of the time. No driver issues, no crashes, no worring about how will it run.
Now outside of gaming PC may be bettter but for just gaming nothing beats a console.
If I threw some PC's to a Lost Tribe That Time Forgot in the Amazon, you might have a case.
Common sense tells me its the cost of entry that gives consoles the edge in population.
Make up what ever makes you feel better.
Lol
I only care about good games, I could give two fucks about what I play them on and that can even include the kitchen table.
I can see both sides;
People like me tend to take it for granted that there is universal computer literacy today... then I interact with colleagues at work. Super basic stuff like "touch screen", "hot keys", "fields", "strings" are (or were) foreign concepts to many of them. I work with a gentleman in his 70s, and I think he just about fell over from amusement when I tried explaining the concept of fuzzy logic to him.
Our customers don't always have access to email, let alone smart phones.
Now consider the home; while its true that PCs tend to have "deeper" games because of a greater variety of input devices allowing one to control what's happening on screen with greater precision, a console is something that tends to get projected on to a large flat screen in the living room: it's something more people can enjoy.
It's not just that a gaming PC will cost 3x more than a console; it's also that the console is possibly being enjoyed by 3x as many people. Simultaneously, even.
You have to be a real PC enthusiast to "gather around" a monitor, and my brother and sisters and I were. We would play "hot seat" games like Master of Orion 2, Warlords 3, or Realmz for hours.
It's engaging, but just not as comfortable as powering on the console and relaxing on a couch in the living room.
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar Authored 139 missions in VendettaOnline and 6 tracks in Distance
Consoles are made for gaming and they do that better than PC.
Put the game in and it works as intended 99.9% of the time. No driver issues, no crashes, no worring about how will it run.
Now outside of gaming PC may be bettter but for just gaming nothing beats a console.
If I threw some PC's to a Lost Tribe That Time Forgot in the Amazon, you might have a case.
Common sense tells me its the cost of entry that gives consoles the edge in population.
Make up what ever makes you feel better.
Lol
I only care about good games, I could give two fucks about what I play them on and that can even include the kitchen table.
I can see both sides;
People like me tend to take it for granted that there is universal computer literacy today... then I interact with colleagues at work. Super basic stuff like "touch screen", "hot keys", "fields", "strings" are (or were) foreign concepts to many of them. I work with a gentleman in his 70s, and I think he just about fell over from amusement when I tried explaining the concept of fuzzy logic to him.
Our customers don't always have access to email, let alone smart phones.
Now consider the home; while its true that PCs tend to have "deeper" games because of a greater variety of input devices allowing one to control what's happening on screen with greater precision, a console is something that tends to get projected on to a large flat screen in the living room: it's something more people can enjoy.
It's not just that a gaming PC will cost 3x more than a console; it's also that the console is possibly being enjoyed by 3x as many people. Simultaneously, even.
You have to be a real PC enthusiast to "gather around" a monitor, and my brother and sisters and I were. We would play "hot seat" games like Master of Orion 2, Warlords 3, or Realmz for hours.
It's engaging, but just not as comfortable as powering on the console and relaxing on a couch in the living room.
A myth is, is that you have to gather around monitor with a PC.
I can play a game on my couch with my 70" 4k tv and my wireless game controller, or wireless mouse, wireless keyboard, etc. etc. etc. while simultaneously still having a traditional desk, monitor, mouse etc. etc. Blue Tooth and WiFi are great and wonderful things.
That is the PC enthusiast side of the coin.
A gaming enthusiast will have multiple platforms because its the games that are important, not the platform.
Personally I'm a PC enthusiast, a Gaming enthusiast and a Technology enthusiast.
The only thing that is shitty concerning PC/Consoles is that people who can only afford one device have to miss out on some great games.
I use both a PC and my Playstation 3 for games and other things. Am I in the minority? Yesterday I played Second Life, Star Trek online and Civilization V on my PC. And NHL '12 and Hulu and Netflix on my Playstation 3.
You are not in the minority. The trend is toward this sort of use. It is why you will continue to use your pc over a console. If a console offers all the type of gaming you need then you will eventually stop using your pc for gaming. If pc offers a sort of game that will never be perfected on any other platform then you will continue to use a pc.
The trend for bid developers is now making games portable across platforms. This will bite them in the ass in the future. Pc gaming is built upon offering games that cannot be ported due to capability and function. There is an audience that exists for this. It may be smaller but large developers will only lose market share to indie development if they don't realize this.
The limitation is only that one uses a keyboard and mouse and the other doesn't. Once KB&M support flows into the console market that won't be an issue any longer.
It goes far, far beyond that. KB&M has been tried. It has been proven that the vast majority of console users simply do not like using them. It will never be a main interface to a console just like controllers and joysticks will always have a niche use on pc.
What drives KB&M use is the full function of a real OS and software suite that only a pc offers. Consoles are not, and never will offer the real reason to support them. This also means that true pc gaming utilizes KB&M for full integration of pc function. This is the foundation of pc gaming, the very difference between what a pc and console is and why pc gaming exists.
Uhm, well the XB1 runs a version of windows 10 now. With each passing update and iteration they move closer and closer to supporting more PC types of things with their direction to eventually have a slimmed down Microsoft Store on all platforms between Mobile, Console and PC. So I don't think you're quite spot on there.
Just look at the new Windows 10S. It's the closest thing to bridging the gap between console and PC we've seen as far as operating systems ever. With a few more well placed updates this could and very likely will carry over in some fashion to Xbox. Scorpio is just around the corner.
I use both a PC and my Playstation 3 for games and other things. Am I in the minority? Yesterday I played Second Life, Star Trek online and Civilization V on my PC. And NHL '12 and Hulu and Netflix on my Playstation 3.
You are not in the minority. The trend is toward this sort of use. It is why you will continue to use your pc over a console. If a console offers all the type of gaming you need then you will eventually stop using your pc for gaming. If pc offers a sort of game that will never be perfected on any other platform then you will continue to use a pc.
The trend for bid developers is now making games portable across platforms. This will bite them in the ass in the future. Pc gaming is built upon offering games that cannot be ported due to capability and function. There is an audience that exists for this. It may be smaller but large developers will only lose market share to indie development if they don't realize this.
The limitation is only that one uses a keyboard and mouse and the other doesn't. Once KB&M support flows into the console market that won't be an issue any longer.
It goes far, far beyond that. KB&M has been tried. It has been proven that the vast majority of console users simply do not like using them. It will never be a main interface to a console just like controllers and joysticks will always have a niche use on pc.
What drives KB&M use is the full function of a real OS and software suite that only a pc offers. Consoles are not, and never will offer the real reason to support them. This also means that true pc gaming utilizes KB&M for full integration of pc function. This is the foundation of pc gaming, the very difference between what a pc and console is and why pc gaming exists.
Uhm, well the XB1 runs a version of windows 10 now. With each passing update and iteration they move closer and closer to supporting more PC types of things with their direction to eventually have a slimmed down Microsoft Store on all platforms between Mobile, Console and PC. So I don't think you're quite spot on there.
Just look at the new Windows 10S. It's the closest thing to bridging the gap between console and PC we've seen as far as operating systems ever. With a few more well placed updates this could and very likely will carry over in some fashion to Xbox. Scorpio is just around the corner.
they are going to have two games in the Store right next to the big hitter 3rd game Quantum Break 3. oh my god! so much awesomeness!
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I use both a PC and my Playstation 3 for games and other things. Am I in the minority? Yesterday I played Second Life, Star Trek online and Civilization V on my PC. And NHL '12 and Hulu and Netflix on my Playstation 3.
You are not in the minority. The trend is toward this sort of use. It is why you will continue to use your pc over a console. If a console offers all the type of gaming you need then you will eventually stop using your pc for gaming. If pc offers a sort of game that will never be perfected on any other platform then you will continue to use a pc.
The trend for bid developers is now making games portable across platforms. This will bite them in the ass in the future. Pc gaming is built upon offering games that cannot be ported due to capability and function. There is an audience that exists for this. It may be smaller but large developers will only lose market share to indie development if they don't realize this.
The limitation is only that one uses a keyboard and mouse and the other doesn't. Once KB&M support flows into the console market that won't be an issue any longer.
It goes far, far beyond that. KB&M has been tried. It has been proven that the vast majority of console users simply do not like using them. It will never be a main interface to a console just like controllers and joysticks will always have a niche use on pc.
What drives KB&M use is the full function of a real OS and software suite that only a pc offers. Consoles are not, and never will offer the real reason to support them. This also means that true pc gaming utilizes KB&M for full integration of pc function. This is the foundation of pc gaming, the very difference between what a pc and console is and why pc gaming exists.
Uhm, well the XB1 runs a version of windows 10 now. With each passing update and iteration they move closer and closer to supporting more PC types of things with their direction to eventually have a slimmed down Microsoft Store on all platforms between Mobile, Console and PC. So I don't think you're quite spot on there.
Just look at the new Windows 10S. It's the closest thing to bridging the gap between console and PC we've seen as far as operating systems ever. With a few more well placed updates this could and very likely will carry over in some fashion to Xbox. Scorpio is just around the corner.
they are going to have two games in the Store right next to the big hitter 3rd game Quantum Break 3. oh my god! so much awesomeness!
Thats great that you're into quantum break.. I guess.
I don't know why its important to note they'll have two games next to it though... there are already hundreds if not thousands of games available to play right now.
Thats great that you're into quantum break.. I guess.
I don't know why its important to note they'll have two games next to it though... there are already hundreds if not thousands of games available to play right now.
only zero of them are in anything I have played for more than an hour in my steam library.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Thats great that you're into quantum break.. I guess.
I don't know why its important to note they'll have two games next to it though... there are already hundreds if not thousands of games available to play right now.
only zero of them are in anything I have played for more than an hour in my steam library.
Okay, because 7 days to die and elite dangerous are both on the microsoft store.. but whatever you say.
all you have to do is look it up and see the difference in the feature list. since 7 days to die came out on console they sold off the rights of that code to another company. since then they have on the PC ONLY have had at least two if not three major updates.
I dont think they even have random generated worlds on the console.
The console version is horrible, I have seen play time and I have seen reviews.
why in the love of god do you feel the need to do this? what do you have to gain?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
all you have to do is look it up and see the difference in the feature list. since 7 days to die came out on console they sold off the rights of that code to another company. since then they have on the PC ONLY have had at least two if not three major updates.
I dont think they even have random generated worlds on the console.
The console version is horrible, I have seen play time and I have seen reviews.
why in the love of god do you feel the need to do this? what do you have to gain?
here is an old list of the differences. Since then I think Aplha 14 and alpha 15 have come out and soon alaph 16 and none of that content is going to be in the console.
more over, a console release is an offical release, its NOT an early access game at that point.
The console version and the PC version of this game are different.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Consoles are made for gaming and they do that better than PC.
Put the game in and it works as intended 99.9% of the time. No driver issues, no crashes, no worring about how will it run.
Now outside of gaming PC may be bettter but for just gaming nothing beats a console.
I would agree with you if it was 1989. In 2017 I have almost zero issues playing games on a PC. I also hate tying up a TV to play video games. I don't play games on my phone or tablet...so not sure why that many people love mobile "gaming".
here is an old list of the differences. Since then I think Aplha 14 and alpha 15 have come out and soon alaph 16 and none of that content is going to be in the console.
more over, a console release is an offical release, its NOT an early access game at that point.
The console version and the PC version of this game are different.
I know
I completely understand the use of sarcasm however when i do it at least I try to do it on things that are more factual then trying to get my audience to think the console version and PC version is the same thing. Nobody has anything to gain by that.
and then whats his face even want to try and get readers to think they can download a console game from the windows 10 store and that an early access title is actually a full release or vice versa whatever fits the mood
wow
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I completely understand the use of sarcasm however when i do it at least I try to do it on things that are more factual then trying to get my audience to think the console version and PC version is the same thing. Nobody has anything to gain by that.
and then whats his face even want to try and get readers to think they can download a console game from the windows 10 store and that an early access title is actually a full release or vice versa whatever fits the mood
wow
lol you are so uptight
people should try to spend more time working on being right about something and taking the correct position rather that just being difficult to other people for sport.
rant over
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I completely understand the use of sarcasm however when i do it at least I try to do it on things that are more factual then trying to get my audience to think the console version and PC version is the same thing. Nobody has anything to gain by that.
and then whats his face even want to try and get readers to think they can download a console game from the windows 10 store and that an early access title is actually a full release or vice versa whatever fits the mood
wow
lol you are so uptight
people should try to spend more time working on being right about something and taking the correct position rather that just being difficult to other people for sport.
rant over
But it's the same game. Just a few release schedules behind. Still the same game though. Xbox doesn't have an "early access" label to distinguish it with.. but it is the same game obviously. However, this summer Xbox has decided to do that.. so going forward, this game could very well be labeled as early access. It was never an option before.
It should be labeled as early access across the board..its horribly unfinished.
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well gaming choices in my view should not be depended on what is the cheapest unless your living under a bridge. Gaming is pretty cheap hobby anyway you shake it.
That said, about 10 years ago I had a crazy thought. I thought, 'what would happen if I just moved my couch closer to a screen instead of buying a larger TV set?
Well that eventually turned me to turning my living room into an office. Basically a huge PC monitor, sofa right behind it, PC does everything. gaming and movies.
To be fair I live alone but also to be fair I have had people over and they all sat on the couch and we watched movie just like normal people would.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Doubt it.
I can see both sides;
People like me tend to take it for granted that there is universal computer literacy today... then I interact with colleagues at work. Super basic stuff like "touch screen", "hot keys", "fields", "strings" are (or were) foreign concepts to many of them. I work with a gentleman in his 70s, and I think he just about fell over from amusement when I tried explaining the concept of fuzzy logic to him.
Our customers don't always have access to email, let alone smart phones.
Now consider the home; while its true that PCs tend to have "deeper" games because of a greater variety of input devices allowing one to control what's happening on screen with greater precision, a console is something that tends to get projected on to a large flat screen in the living room: it's something more people can enjoy.
It's not just that a gaming PC will cost 3x more than a console; it's also that the console is possibly being enjoyed by 3x as many people. Simultaneously, even.
You have to be a real PC enthusiast to "gather around" a monitor, and my brother and sisters and I were. We would play "hot seat" games like Master of Orion 2, Warlords 3, or Realmz for hours.
It's engaging, but just not as comfortable as powering on the console and relaxing on a couch in the living room.
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar
Authored 139 missions in Vendetta Online and 6 tracks in Distance
A myth is, is that you have to gather around monitor with a PC.
I can play a game on my couch with my 70" 4k tv and my wireless game controller, or wireless mouse, wireless keyboard, etc. etc. etc. while simultaneously still having a traditional desk, monitor, mouse etc. etc. Blue Tooth and WiFi are great and wonderful things.
That is the PC enthusiast side of the coin.
A gaming enthusiast will have multiple platforms because its the games that are important, not the platform.
Personally I'm a PC enthusiast, a Gaming enthusiast and a Technology enthusiast.
The only thing that is shitty concerning PC/Consoles is that people who can only afford one device have to miss out on some great games.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
Uhm, well the XB1 runs a version of windows 10 now. With each passing update and iteration they move closer and closer to supporting more PC types of things with their direction to eventually have a slimmed down Microsoft Store on all platforms between Mobile, Console and PC. So I don't think you're quite spot on there.
Just look at the new Windows 10S. It's the closest thing to bridging the gap between console and PC we've seen as far as operating systems ever. With a few more well placed updates this could and very likely will carry over in some fashion to Xbox. Scorpio is just around the corner.
they are going to have two games in the Store right next to the big hitter 3rd game Quantum Break 3. oh my god! so much awesomeness!
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Thats great that you're into quantum break.. I guess.
I don't know why its important to note they'll have two games next to it though... there are already hundreds if not thousands of games available to play right now.
only zero of them are in anything I have played for more than an hour in my steam library.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Okay, because 7 days to die and elite dangerous are both on the microsoft store.. but whatever you say.
goddamnit would you PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
stop using the 7DTD console version which is a piece of shit as if its the PC version
fuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!
is the 7DTD Early Access PC version in the MS store?
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Please do not respond to me
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NO ITS NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
absolutly positively absolutly completely wrong
The fun pimps version of PC 7DTD is NOT...what is on the console...no... very much wrong.
they are very seperate from each other at this point
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what difference does that even make?
all you have to do is look it up and see the difference in the feature list.
since 7 days to die came out on console they sold off the rights of that code to another company. since then they have on the PC ONLY have had at least two if not three major updates.
I dont think they even have random generated worlds on the console.
The console version is horrible, I have seen play time and I have seen reviews.
why in the love of god do you feel the need to do this? what do you have to gain?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
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https://7daystodie.com/forums/showthread.php?43056-List-of-differences-between-PC-version-and-console-port
here is an old list of the differences. Since then I think Aplha 14 and alpha 15 have come out and soon alaph 16 and none of that content is going to be in the console.
more over, a console release is an offical release, its NOT an early access game at that point.
The console version and the PC version of this game are different.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
I would agree with you if it was 1989. In 2017 I have almost zero issues playing games on a PC. I also hate tying up a TV to play video games. I don't play games on my phone or tablet...so not sure why that many people love mobile "gaming".
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Arcade shooters like CoD I prefer on console, more realistic sims like Battlefield on PC.
I completely understand the use of sarcasm however when i do it at least I try to do it on things that are more factual then trying to get my audience to think the console version and PC version is the same thing. Nobody has anything to gain by that.
and then whats his face even want to try and get readers to think they can download a console game from the windows 10 store and that an early access title is actually a full release or vice versa whatever fits the mood
wow
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
거북이는 목을 내밀 때 안 움직입니다
people should try to spend more time working on being right about something and taking the correct position rather that just being difficult to other people for sport.
rant over
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
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But it's the same game. Just a few release schedules behind. Still the same game though. Xbox doesn't have an "early access" label to distinguish it with.. but it is the same game obviously. However, this summer Xbox has decided to do that.. so going forward, this game could very well be labeled as early access. It was never an option before.
It should be labeled as early access across the board..its horribly unfinished.