1/2 of the top 6 top selling games on Steam are Early Access titles. 3 titles (I think Ark, Rust and 7 Days to Die combined) have more sales then Witcher 3 on ALL platforms (Witcher 3 is considered one of the best selling games ever)
I came here on this topic in a hopeless attempt to help those who are unhappy with their current gaming selection to point out a HUGE list of games that are 1. doing very well. 2. many find a lot of fun. 3. are solid. 4. are well recieved. 5. One has to live in a cave to not know what these game titles are. If you dont want to try them then fine I should just let people be in the depressed state that they insist on being in.
I do feel however, if you are unhappy with your game selection and unwilling to try these very successful games in early access because of business practices you dont agree with then you should just STFU..my opion only
if they are the "Top Selling" the games on steam, and I wager have been there a while now, don't you think it's time to remove the "early access" tag line?
lets get real, if it's being sold openly on Steam right now, the access is not "early" at all, they are expecting people to buy the game as-is, with no promise that it will ever change/improve, if they are selling the game, I don't think it's too much to ask or them to own up that the game is live and ready.
As I see it, if they are gonna hide behind "early access" while selling the game I can't help but think, if they are willing to play that kind of stuff now.. what other kinds of things will they try to play upon us later along.
I don't need to play a game bad enough to deal with someone that seems dishonest in their advertising.
1/2 of the top 6 top selling games on Steam are Early Access titles. 3 titles (I think Ark, Rust and 7 Days to Die combined) have more sales then Witcher 3 on ALL platforms (Witcher 3 is considered one of the best selling games ever)
I came here on this topic in a hopeless attempt to help those who are unhappy with their current gaming selection to point out a HUGE list of games that are 1. doing very well. 2. many find a lot of fun. 3. are solid. 4. are well recieved. 5. One has to live in a cave to not know what these game titles are. If you dont want to try them then fine I should just let people be in the depressed state that they insist on being in.
I do feel however, if you are unhappy with your game selection and unwilling to try these very successful games in early access because of business practices you dont agree with then you should just STFU..my opion only
if they are the "Top Selling" the games on steam, and I wager have been there a while now, don't you think it's time to remove the "early access" tag line?
lets get real, if it's being sold openly on Steam right now, the access is not "early" at all, they are expecting people to buy the game as-is, with no promise that it will ever change/improve, if they are selling the game, I don't think it's too much to ask or them to own up that the game is live and ready.
As I see it, if they are gonna hide behind "early access" while selling the game I can't help but think, if they are willing to play that kind of stuff now.. what other kinds of things will they try to play upon us later along.
I don't need to play a game bad enough to deal with someone that seems dishonest in their advertising.
I have no idea nor inclination to care if they are tagged early access or big birth bomb.
I am just saying they are good games. It seems your more interested in business model and proper taging then you are finding a game to enjoy
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I consider the games you mentioned tiresome and boring, while considering Witcher 3 a true gaming masterpiece. Not ANOTHER survival game like Rust (in all its incarnations throughout the years) please ***sigh***
@ZionBane is correct IMHO ... those games mentioned have little to do with "early" access these days.
1/2 of the top 6 top selling games on Steam are Early Access titles. 3 titles (I think Ark, Rust and 7 Days to Die combined) have more sales then Witcher 3 on ALL platforms (Witcher 3 is considered one of the best selling games ever)
I came here on this topic in a hopeless attempt to help those who are unhappy with their current gaming selection to point out a HUGE list of games that are 1. doing very well. 2. many find a lot of fun. 3. are solid. 4. are well recieved. 5. One has to live in a cave to not know what these game titles are. If you dont want to try them then fine I should just let people be in the depressed state that they insist on being in.
I do feel however, if you are unhappy with your game selection and unwilling to try these very successful games in early access because of business practices you dont agree with then you should just STFU..my opion only
if they are the "Top Selling" the games on steam, and I wager have been there a while now, don't you think it's time to remove the "early access" tag line?
lets get real, if it's being sold openly on Steam right now, the access is not "early" at all, they are expecting people to buy the game as-is, with no promise that it will ever change/improve, if they are selling the game, I don't think it's too much to ask or them to own up that the game is live and ready.
As I see it, if they are gonna hide behind "early access" while selling the game I can't help but think, if they are willing to play that kind of stuff now.. what other kinds of things will they try to play upon us later along.
I don't need to play a game bad enough to deal with someone that seems dishonest in their advertising.
I have no idea nor inclination to care if they are tagged early access or big birth bomb.
I am just saying they are good games. It seems your more interested in business model and proper taging then you are finding a game to enjoy
I don't think calling something early access is the issue. There's nothing wrong with offering a game in early access if players are interested.
The problem is when developers use early access as an excuse to drag development on for ages, sometimes even adding features that should be part of a release, such as cash shops and subs. That's when it turns from asking for help building a game to milking players but providing no significant changes.
Go post a criticism of Shroud of the Avatar on their forums. If it doesn't get deleted, you can bet one of the first three responses will be from a clueless developer or whale regurgitating, "It's not done yet!". Same holds true of SC.
Refuse to show actual game play because of spoilers.
Refuse to talk about the technological details, claiming confidentiality or trade secrets.
Presenting news of Investments or hires as evidence of technological progress.
Promoting itself on a big stage instead of a board room.
Offering a well-crafted message and vision but becoming increasingly vague when pushed on actual details.
Offering "exclusive access" - with restrictions.
Confusing working hard with making progress.
(1) It's done when it's done. This has been spun as a positive thing in recent years. You will often hear people say: "I rather have them take more time and deliver something good than release an unfinished game". While at first this sounds like a great idea, when you take a step back you realize that this really only works in a world were there is an infinite amount of money, time and resources for every project. If you can not set a goal you can't manage your finances to reach that goal. It's that simple.
(2) For decades Movies, TV Shows and Games have shown Trailers, Teasers and Sizzle Reels without spoilers. This is so obvious it should not even need an explanation. Made famous by Star Citzen CEO Chris Roberts and his brother Erin Roberts using it as an excuse to hide the fact that their single player game Squadron 42 is now 3 years late with nothing to show for.
(3) You will often hear things like: "We can not talk about Feature X because competition will steal the idea". This is bullshit because if you had a great Feature or idea that is so new and revolutionary that others would steal it then you as a company should copyright/patent it immediately. An idea like that is a potential money printing machine if you have the patent/copyright. No company would let this opportunity go.
(4) Companies use this to give the impression of progress in a certain area. "We hired a XYZ specialist". This has become an often used argument to counter criticism. You will hear variations of, "Look at their webpage, they are hiring people, why would they hire people if they are a scam/have no money". A webpage with job listings does not mean anything.
(5) There is nothing wrong with having some stage time at E3 or GamesCom, however using big and private events for everything is usually a red flag indicating that there is way to much effort and money spent on the image of the company instead of the actual product. A product should be able to speak for itself if it is good.
(6) I think this one is pretty obvious.
(7) This has been used by almost all recent EA, Kickstarter, Crowdfunded Project. Exclusive access and unprecedented transparency are the new buzzwords but when looked at it closely you realize that this transparency is nothing but well managed PR, video productions and commercials. Real transparency like financial disclosure, design and project plan or even release schedules are usually not included in this "Exclusive Access and Transparency".
(8) I am sure you have heard this a million times without even noticing it. "We are working hard on bringing you X" and variations of this are very common. Working hard is not the same as working smart and making progress.
Do you have anything yo add to the list? Let me know in the comments.
It is an interesting list, and I suspect you have something here, but it would be difficult to prove the motivation behind some of these projects. Sometimes bad things happen to good people and you don't get to see your plans realized.
What exactly did you base this on? Can you provide a link to your research? While I find your list very opinionated and based on nothing more than a whim, I would be interested in seeing if you can change my mind with some hard fact(s).
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
1/2 of the top 6 top selling games on Steam are Early Access titles. 3 titles (I think Ark, Rust and 7 Days to Die combined) have more sales then Witcher 3 on ALL platforms (Witcher 3 is considered one of the best selling games ever)
I came here on this topic in a hopeless attempt to help those who are unhappy with their current gaming selection to point out a HUGE list of games that are 1. doing very well. 2. many find a lot of fun. 3. are solid. 4. are well recieved. 5. One has to live in a cave to not know what these game titles are. If you dont want to try them then fine I should just let people be in the depressed state that they insist on being in.
I do feel however, if you are unhappy with your game selection and unwilling to try these very successful games in early access because of business practices you dont agree with then you should just STFU..my opion only
if they are the "Top Selling" the games on steam, and I wager have been there a while now, don't you think it's time to remove the "early access" tag line?
lets get real, if it's being sold openly on Steam right now, the access is not "early" at all, they are expecting people to buy the game as-is, with no promise that it will ever change/improve, if they are selling the game, I don't think it's too much to ask or them to own up that the game is live and ready.
As I see it, if they are gonna hide behind "early access" while selling the game I can't help but think, if they are willing to play that kind of stuff now.. what other kinds of things will they try to play upon us later along.
I don't need to play a game bad enough to deal with someone that seems dishonest in their advertising.
I have no idea nor inclination to care if they are tagged early access or big birth bomb.
I am just saying they are good games. It seems your more interested in business model and proper taging then you are finding a game to enjoy
I don't think calling something early access is the issue. There's nothing wrong with offering a game in early access if players are interested.
The problem is when developers use early access as an excuse to drag development on for ages, sometimes even adding features that should be part of a release, such as cash shops and subs. That's when it turns from asking for help building a game to milking players but providing no significant changes.
Go post a criticism of Shroud of the Avatar on their forums. If it doesn't get deleted, you can bet one of the first three responses will be from a clueless developer or whale regurgitating, "It's not done yet!". Same holds true of SC.
again it doesnt matter
I keep saying this over and over again. 1. it doesnt matter if you call it early access or Mother of All bombs 2. it doesnt matter if the game is not complete or not\ 3. it doesnt matter what the developer promised or not promised 4. doesnt matter what the progress is
what matters is...is the game enjoyable..FULL STOP.
what I am trying to convey here is that there are many cases in which an incomplete, bug infested game being worked on by a corrupt and evil developer is actually MORE FUN then games that are not those things.
Swear to fucking god ARK for millions of people is light years more fun then ArcheAge.
THAT is the point.
now if people want to go and cry in a corner complaining about how there are no good games but are unwilling to try Ark (as only 1 example) because of its development state then they have only themselves to blame
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
1/2 of the top 6 top selling games on Steam are Early Access titles. 3 titles (I think Ark, Rust and 7 Days to Die combined) have more sales then Witcher 3 on ALL platforms (Witcher 3 is considered one of the best selling games ever)
I came here on this topic in a hopeless attempt to help those who are unhappy with their current gaming selection to point out a HUGE list of games that are 1. doing very well. 2. many find a lot of fun. 3. are solid. 4. are well recieved. 5. One has to live in a cave to not know what these game titles are. If you dont want to try them then fine I should just let people be in the depressed state that they insist on being in.
I do feel however, if you are unhappy with your game selection and unwilling to try these very successful games in early access because of business practices you dont agree with then you should just STFU..my opion only
if they are the "Top Selling" the games on steam, and I wager have been there a while now, don't you think it's time to remove the "early access" tag line?
lets get real, if it's being sold openly on Steam right now, the access is not "early" at all, they are expecting people to buy the game as-is, with no promise that it will ever change/improve, if they are selling the game, I don't think it's too much to ask or them to own up that the game is live and ready.
As I see it, if they are gonna hide behind "early access" while selling the game I can't help but think, if they are willing to play that kind of stuff now.. what other kinds of things will they try to play upon us later along.
I don't need to play a game bad enough to deal with someone that seems dishonest in their advertising.
I have no idea nor inclination to care if they are tagged early access or big birth bomb.
I am just saying they are good games. It seems your more interested in business model and proper taging then you are finding a game to enjoy
It's more about Trust, Transparency and Respect, then it is about the actual game to be honest.
I am currently playing a MOBA's to pass the time, so I am in no rush to find something at this point. It's a game, not food, I can afford to bide my time to get what feels right to me.
On top of that, ARK, Rust and 7 Days to Die, don't look appealing to me, at all, if hitting trees with rocks to get wood is you flavor then.. have fun.
1/2 of the top 6 top selling games on Steam are Early Access titles. 3 titles (I think Ark, Rust and 7 Days to Die combined) have more sales then Witcher 3 on ALL platforms (Witcher 3 is considered one of the best selling games ever)
I came here on this topic in a hopeless attempt to help those who are unhappy with their current gaming selection to point out a HUGE list of games that are 1. doing very well. 2. many find a lot of fun. 3. are solid. 4. are well recieved. 5. One has to live in a cave to not know what these game titles are. If you dont want to try them then fine I should just let people be in the depressed state that they insist on being in.
I do feel however, if you are unhappy with your game selection and unwilling to try these very successful games in early access because of business practices you dont agree with then you should just STFU..my opion only
if they are the "Top Selling" the games on steam, and I wager have been there a while now, don't you think it's time to remove the "early access" tag line?
lets get real, if it's being sold openly on Steam right now, the access is not "early" at all, they are expecting people to buy the game as-is, with no promise that it will ever change/improve, if they are selling the game, I don't think it's too much to ask or them to own up that the game is live and ready.
As I see it, if they are gonna hide behind "early access" while selling the game I can't help but think, if they are willing to play that kind of stuff now.. what other kinds of things will they try to play upon us later along.
I don't need to play a game bad enough to deal with someone that seems dishonest in their advertising.
I have no idea nor inclination to care if they are tagged early access or big birth bomb.
I am just saying they are good games. It seems your more interested in business model and proper taging then you are finding a game to enjoy
It's more about Trust, Transparency and Respect, then it is about the actual game to be honest.
...
NONE of which has anything to do with game quality or a compelling gaming experience.
And that is what frustrates me about game posters, they are addicted to everything OTHER than the actual game experience
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
And that is what frustrates me about game posters, they are addicted to everything OTHER than the actual game experience
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Or they have time to burn during bus rides/ticket lines/traffic jams/etc. where they cannot play their favorite PC games, especially MMOs. So they post in forums - while STILL being "addicted" to their personal favorite game(s) and the actual game experience there.
1/2 of the top 6 top selling games on Steam are Early Access titles. 3 titles (I think Ark, Rust and 7 Days to Die combined) have more sales then Witcher 3 on ALL platforms (Witcher 3 is considered one of the best selling games ever)
I came here on this topic in a hopeless attempt to help those who are unhappy with their current gaming selection to point out a HUGE list of games that are 1. doing very well. 2. many find a lot of fun. 3. are solid. 4. are well recieved. 5. One has to live in a cave to not know what these game titles are. If you dont want to try them then fine I should just let people be in the depressed state that they insist on being in.
I do feel however, if you are unhappy with your game selection and unwilling to try these very successful games in early access because of business practices you dont agree with then you should just STFU..my opion only
if they are the "Top Selling" the games on steam, and I wager have been there a while now, don't you think it's time to remove the "early access" tag line?
lets get real, if it's being sold openly on Steam right now, the access is not "early" at all, they are expecting people to buy the game as-is, with no promise that it will ever change/improve, if they are selling the game, I don't think it's too much to ask or them to own up that the game is live and ready.
As I see it, if they are gonna hide behind "early access" while selling the game I can't help but think, if they are willing to play that kind of stuff now.. what other kinds of things will they try to play upon us later along.
I don't need to play a game bad enough to deal with someone that seems dishonest in their advertising.
I have no idea nor inclination to care if they are tagged early access or big birth bomb.
I am just saying they are good games. It seems your more interested in business model and proper taging then you are finding a game to enjoy
I don't think calling something early access is the issue. There's nothing wrong with offering a game in early access if players are interested.
The problem is when developers use early access as an excuse to drag development on for ages, sometimes even adding features that should be part of a release, such as cash shops and subs. That's when it turns from asking for help building a game to milking players but providing no significant changes.
Go post a criticism of Shroud of the Avatar on their forums. If it doesn't get deleted, you can bet one of the first three responses will be from a clueless developer or whale regurgitating, "It's not done yet!". Same holds true of SC.
again it doesnt matter
I keep saying this over and over again. 1. it doesnt matter if you call it early access or Mother of All bombs 2. it doesnt matter if the game is not complete or not\ 3. it doesnt matter what the developer promised or not promised 4. doesnt matter what the progress is
what matters is...is the game enjoyable..FULL STOP.
what I am trying to convey here is that there are many cases in which an incomplete, bug infested game being worked on by a corrupt and evil developer is actually MORE FUN then games that are not those things.
Swear to fucking god ARK for millions of people is light years more fun then ArcheAge.
THAT is the point.
now if people want to go and cry in a corner complaining about how there are no good games but are unwilling to try Ark (as only 1 example) because of its development state then they have only themselves to blame
So if I build a game and you have fun playing it, I can keep taking money from you for decades and you'll happily give it to me because the game is fun to play?
Ooo, you're my target market. I should gave a mansion and a Lamborghini by the end of the year if I can find more people like you. And all I have to do is the bare minimum as long as I keep it fun by your standards.
1/2 of the top 6 top selling games on Steam are Early Access titles. 3 titles (I think Ark, Rust and 7 Days to Die combined) have more sales then Witcher 3 on ALL platforms (Witcher 3 is considered one of the best selling games ever)
I came here on this topic in a hopeless attempt to help those who are unhappy with their current gaming selection to point out a HUGE list of games that are 1. doing very well. 2. many find a lot of fun. 3. are solid. 4. are well recieved. 5. One has to live in a cave to not know what these game titles are. If you dont want to try them then fine I should just let people be in the depressed state that they insist on being in.
I do feel however, if you are unhappy with your game selection and unwilling to try these very successful games in early access because of business practices you dont agree with then you should just STFU..my opion only
if they are the "Top Selling" the games on steam, and I wager have been there a while now, don't you think it's time to remove the "early access" tag line?
lets get real, if it's being sold openly on Steam right now, the access is not "early" at all, they are expecting people to buy the game as-is, with no promise that it will ever change/improve, if they are selling the game, I don't think it's too much to ask or them to own up that the game is live and ready.
As I see it, if they are gonna hide behind "early access" while selling the game I can't help but think, if they are willing to play that kind of stuff now.. what other kinds of things will they try to play upon us later along.
I don't need to play a game bad enough to deal with someone that seems dishonest in their advertising.
I have no idea nor inclination to care if they are tagged early access or big birth bomb.
I am just saying they are good games. It seems your more interested in business model and proper taging then you are finding a game to enjoy
It's more about Trust, Transparency and Respect, then it is about the actual game to be honest.
...
NONE of which has anything to do with game quality or a compelling gaming experience.
And that is what frustrates me about game posters, they are addicted to everything OTHER than the actual game experience
Gaming experience comes through being so well-crafted you forget you're playing a game, akin to reading a book, which has become rare. MMO's seem reflective of society's state.
1/2 of the top 6 top selling games on Steam are Early Access titles. 3 titles (I think Ark, Rust and 7 Days to Die combined) have more sales then Witcher 3 on ALL platforms (Witcher 3 is considered one of the best selling games ever)
I came here on this topic in a hopeless attempt to help those who are unhappy with their current gaming selection to point out a HUGE list of games that are 1. doing very well. 2. many find a lot of fun. 3. are solid. 4. are well recieved. 5. One has to live in a cave to not know what these game titles are. If you dont want to try them then fine I should just let people be in the depressed state that they insist on being in.
I do feel however, if you are unhappy with your game selection and unwilling to try these very successful games in early access because of business practices you dont agree with then you should just STFU..my opion only
if they are the "Top Selling" the games on steam, and I wager have been there a while now, don't you think it's time to remove the "early access" tag line?
lets get real, if it's being sold openly on Steam right now, the access is not "early" at all, they are expecting people to buy the game as-is, with no promise that it will ever change/improve, if they are selling the game, I don't think it's too much to ask or them to own up that the game is live and ready.
As I see it, if they are gonna hide behind "early access" while selling the game I can't help but think, if they are willing to play that kind of stuff now.. what other kinds of things will they try to play upon us later along.
I don't need to play a game bad enough to deal with someone that seems dishonest in their advertising.
I have no idea nor inclination to care if they are tagged early access or big birth bomb.
I am just saying they are good games. It seems your more interested in business model and proper taging then you are finding a game to enjoy
It's more about Trust, Transparency and Respect, then it is about the actual game to be honest.
...
NONE of which has anything to do with game quality or a compelling gaming experience.
And that is what frustrates me about game posters, they are addicted to everything OTHER than the actual game experience
Yes it does for me.
I am only speaking for myself on this one, but, I have seen and dealt with game developers flipping the bird at their players, put out buggy crap, and then piss on players for complaining about it. Sorry No, never doing that again, and I only feel pity on the people that put up with that.
if that is what makes you happy, then.. go have fun.
I am not hurting waiting, its' a game.. I can wait for a quality product by a quality developer.
1/2 of the top 6 top selling games on Steam are Early Access titles. 3 titles (I think Ark, Rust and 7 Days to Die combined) have more sales then Witcher 3 on ALL platforms (Witcher 3 is considered one of the best selling games ever)
I came here on this topic in a hopeless attempt to help those who are unhappy with their current gaming selection to point out a HUGE list of games that are 1. doing very well. 2. many find a lot of fun. 3. are solid. 4. are well recieved. 5. One has to live in a cave to not know what these game titles are. If you dont want to try them then fine I should just let people be in the depressed state that they insist on being in.
I do feel however, if you are unhappy with your game selection and unwilling to try these very successful games in early access because of business practices you dont agree with then you should just STFU..my opion only
if they are the "Top Selling" the games on steam, and I wager have been there a while now, don't you think it's time to remove the "early access" tag line?
lets get real, if it's being sold openly on Steam right now, the access is not "early" at all, they are expecting people to buy the game as-is, with no promise that it will ever change/improve, if they are selling the game, I don't think it's too much to ask or them to own up that the game is live and ready.
As I see it, if they are gonna hide behind "early access" while selling the game I can't help but think, if they are willing to play that kind of stuff now.. what other kinds of things will they try to play upon us later along.
I don't need to play a game bad enough to deal with someone that seems dishonest in their advertising.
I have no idea nor inclination to care if they are tagged early access or big birth bomb.
I am just saying they are good games. It seems your more interested in business model and proper taging then you are finding a game to enjoy
It's more about Trust, Transparency and Respect, then it is about the actual game to be honest.
...
NONE of which has anything to do with game quality or a compelling gaming experience.
And that is what frustrates me about game posters, they are addicted to everything OTHER than the actual game experience
Yes it does for me.
I am only speaking for myself on this one, but, I have seen and dealt with game developers flipping the bird at their players, put out buggy crap, and then piss on players for complaining about it. Sorry No, never doing that again, and I only feel pity on the people that put up with that.
if that is what makes you happy, then.. go have fun.
I am not hurting waiting, its' a game.. I can wait for a quality product by a quality developer.
I am sooo done with dealing with shit.
Ark Better game by most peoples standards then Archeage Ark incomplete buggy mess made by dishonest evil developers who eat babies for breakfast
Archeage = a complete game that by many peoples standard sucks balls Ark = an incomplete game that by many peoples standard is a great game experience
its really that simple
i should make a big red button and when you hit it, the screen says 'your a winner' and as long as I dont lie, release it on time, and have no bugs I can assure your purchase
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
My Biggest complaint with games in Early Access are those such as ARK. How can you list your game as early access and sell expansions. I do not think you can with a straight face sell an expansion for a game that has not been officially released. It feels to me at this point you cut content from the unreleased game. Otherwise they need to stop developing additional paid content and finish/release the base game. It feels like companies are hiding behind the Early Access title and not have to face the critics. There needs to some criteria/standards. Right now it is the wild wild west.
NONE of which has anything to do with game quality or a compelling gaming experience.
And that is what frustrates me about game posters, they are addicted to everything OTHER than the actual game experience
hmmm, sounds to me that what frustrates you is that they aren't addicted to what "you" think is the actual game experience.
Because in the end everything is part of actual game experience.
If a person plays a game I am fairly certain there is something in it that speaks to them.
Being in the arts I've had my share of people who rail against anything that doesn't conform to their "better" idea of of what people should be exposing themselves to.
Though in fairness, while there might be better options for people They might not know about them because there just isn't the exposure/advertising out there.
Still, no amount of advertising is going to make a person like a game, movie, piece of music, play, book, etc.
It might turn them on to it but if it doesn't hold its own for them they won't continue.
Like Skyrim? Need more content? Try my Skyrim mod "Godfred's Tomb."
NONE of which has anything to do with game quality or a compelling gaming experience.
And that is what frustrates me about game posters, they are addicted to everything OTHER than the actual game experience
hmmm, sounds to me that what frustrates you is that they aren't addicted to what "you" think is the actual game experience.
No I am not going to tollerate that. I am not going to accept that 'what a developer says' is a gaming experience. I am not going to accept that 'the release version of a game be it beta or otherwise in of itself and without regard to actual game play' is a gaming experience.
nope...line has been drawn, I call that bullshit
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
NONE of which has anything to do with game quality or a compelling gaming experience.
And that is what frustrates me about game posters, they are addicted to everything OTHER than the actual game experience
hmmm, sounds to me that what frustrates you is that they aren't addicted to what "you" think is the actual game experience.
No I am not going to tollerate that. I am not going to accept that 'what a developer says' is a gaming experience. I am not going to accept that 'the release version of a game be it beta or otherwise in of itself and without regard to actual game play' is a gaming experience.
nope...line has been drawn, I call that bullshit
I think those are different things. Of course you shouldn't accept unfinished games. But I don't really see developers saying that that is "part of the game experience".
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NONE of which has anything to do with game quality or a compelling gaming experience.
And that is what frustrates me about game posters, they are addicted to everything OTHER than the actual game experience
hmmm, sounds to me that what frustrates you is that they aren't addicted to what "you" think is the actual game experience.
No I am not going to tollerate that. I am not going to accept that 'what a developer says' is a gaming experience. I am not going to accept that 'the release version of a game be it beta or otherwise in of itself and without regard to actual game play' is a gaming experience.
nope...line has been drawn, I call that bullshit
I think those are different things. Of course you shouldn't accept unfinished games. But I don't really see developers saying that that is "part of the game experience".
1. you SHOULD accept unfinished games...how many times do I have to say this!? players should accept good gaming experiences and if those good gaming experiences are in unfinished games then they should run to it in great haste. They should NEVER, NOT PLAY a game they find interesting to instead play a game they DONT find intresting. If there is any risk to developers creating crap that would be the way to ensure it 2. How many times do I have to say the same thing?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
1/2 of the top 6 top selling games on Steam are Early Access titles. 3 titles (I think Ark, Rust and 7 Days to Die combined) have more sales then Witcher 3 on ALL platforms (Witcher 3 is considered one of the best selling games ever)
I came here on this topic in a hopeless attempt to help those who are unhappy with their current gaming selection to point out a HUGE list of games that are 1. doing very well. 2. many find a lot of fun. 3. are solid. 4. are well recieved. 5. One has to live in a cave to not know what these game titles are. If you dont want to try them then fine I should just let people be in the depressed state that they insist on being in.
I do feel however, if you are unhappy with your game selection and unwilling to try these very successful games in early access because of business practices you dont agree with then you should just STFU..my opion only
if they are the "Top Selling" the games on steam, and I wager have been there a while now, don't you think it's time to remove the "early access" tag line?
lets get real, if it's being sold openly on Steam right now, the access is not "early" at all, they are expecting people to buy the game as-is, with no promise that it will ever change/improve, if they are selling the game, I don't think it's too much to ask or them to own up that the game is live and ready.
As I see it, if they are gonna hide behind "early access" while selling the game I can't help but think, if they are willing to play that kind of stuff now.. what other kinds of things will they try to play upon us later along.
I don't need to play a game bad enough to deal with someone that seems dishonest in their advertising.
I have no idea nor inclination to care if they are tagged early access or big birth bomb.
I am just saying they are good games. It seems your more interested in business model and proper taging then you are finding a game to enjoy
It's more about Trust, Transparency and Respect, then it is about the actual game to be honest.
...
NONE of which has anything to do with game quality or a compelling gaming experience.
And that is what frustrates me about game posters, they are addicted to everything OTHER than the actual game experience
Yes it does for me.
I am only speaking for myself on this one, but, I have seen and dealt with game developers flipping the bird at their players, put out buggy crap, and then piss on players for complaining about it. Sorry No, never doing that again, and I only feel pity on the people that put up with that.
if that is what makes you happy, then.. go have fun.
I am not hurting waiting, its' a game.. I can wait for a quality product by a quality developer.
I am sooo done with dealing with shit.
Ark Better game by most peoples standards then Archeage Ark incomplete buggy mess made by dishonest evil developers who eat babies for breakfast
Archeage = a complete game that by many peoples standard sucks balls Ark = an incomplete game that by many peoples standard is a great game experience
its really that simple
i should make a big red button and when you hit it, the screen says 'your a winner' and as long as I dont lie, release it on time, and have no bugs I can assure your purchase
Couple of things.
I am not like "most people" and my gaming paradigms are very particular and many would say a bit peculiar.
I happened to enjoy ArcheAges gameplay, at leaat through alpha and beta after which the wheels came off (IMO) for several reasons mostly unrelated to gameplay.
So when you slam AA I have to question how similar our gaming tastes are and it is my belief based on previous experience (with others) most of what you enjoy I'm likely not to.
I'm more likely to follow the recommendation of someone who enjoys playing finished MMORPGs, preferably more on the virtual world side for long periods of time.
Short term game hopping holds zero appeal regardless how "fun" the gameplay might be.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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1/2 of the top 6 top selling games on Steam are Early Access titles. 3 titles (I think Ark, Rust and 7 Days to Die combined) have more sales then Witcher 3 on ALL platforms (Witcher 3 is considered one of the best selling games ever)
I came here on this topic in a hopeless attempt to help those who are unhappy with their current gaming selection to point out a HUGE list of games that are 1. doing very well. 2. many find a lot of fun. 3. are solid. 4. are well recieved. 5. One has to live in a cave to not know what these game titles are. If you dont want to try them then fine I should just let people be in the depressed state that they insist on being in.
I do feel however, if you are unhappy with your game selection and unwilling to try these very successful games in early access because of business practices you dont agree with then you should just STFU..my opion only
if they are the "Top Selling" the games on steam, and I wager have been there a while now, don't you think it's time to remove the "early access" tag line?
lets get real, if it's being sold openly on Steam right now, the access is not "early" at all, they are expecting people to buy the game as-is, with no promise that it will ever change/improve, if they are selling the game, I don't think it's too much to ask or them to own up that the game is live and ready.
As I see it, if they are gonna hide behind "early access" while selling the game I can't help but think, if they are willing to play that kind of stuff now.. what other kinds of things will they try to play upon us later along.
I don't need to play a game bad enough to deal with someone that seems dishonest in their advertising.
I have no idea nor inclination to care if they are tagged early access or big birth bomb.
I am just saying they are good games. It seems your more interested in business model and proper taging then you are finding a game to enjoy
It's more about Trust, Transparency and Respect, then it is about the actual game to be honest.
...
NONE of which has anything to do with game quality or a compelling gaming experience.
And that is what frustrates me about game posters, they are addicted to everything OTHER than the actual game experience
Yes it does for me.
I am only speaking for myself on this one, but, I have seen and dealt with game developers flipping the bird at their players, put out buggy crap, and then piss on players for complaining about it. Sorry No, never doing that again, and I only feel pity on the people that put up with that.
if that is what makes you happy, then.. go have fun.
I am not hurting waiting, its' a game.. I can wait for a quality product by a quality developer.
I am sooo done with dealing with shit.
Ark Better game by most peoples standards then Archeage Ark incomplete buggy mess made by dishonest evil developers who eat babies for breakfast
Archeage = a complete game that by many peoples standard sucks balls Ark = an incomplete game that by many peoples standard is a great game experience
its really that simple
i should make a big red button and when you hit it, the screen says 'your a winner' and as long as I dont lie, release it on time, and have no bugs I can assure your purchase
They both suck balls to me.
As for Ensuring my purchase? Buhahahahahahah sorry.. you may have a giant button on your head that reads 'sucker'.. I do not.
1/2 of the top 6 top selling games on Steam are Early Access titles. 3 titles (I think Ark, Rust and 7 Days to Die combined) have more sales then Witcher 3 on ALL platforms (Witcher 3 is considered one of the best selling games ever)
I came here on this topic in a hopeless attempt to help those who are unhappy with their current gaming selection to point out a HUGE list of games that are 1. doing very well. 2. many find a lot of fun. 3. are solid. 4. are well recieved. 5. One has to live in a cave to not know what these game titles are. If you dont want to try them then fine I should just let people be in the depressed state that they insist on being in.
I do feel however, if you are unhappy with your game selection and unwilling to try these very successful games in early access because of business practices you dont agree with then you should just STFU..my opion only
if they are the "Top Selling" the games on steam, and I wager have been there a while now, don't you think it's time to remove the "early access" tag line?
lets get real, if it's being sold openly on Steam right now, the access is not "early" at all, they are expecting people to buy the game as-is, with no promise that it will ever change/improve, if they are selling the game, I don't think it's too much to ask or them to own up that the game is live and ready.
As I see it, if they are gonna hide behind "early access" while selling the game I can't help but think, if they are willing to play that kind of stuff now.. what other kinds of things will they try to play upon us later along.
I don't need to play a game bad enough to deal with someone that seems dishonest in their advertising.
I have no idea nor inclination to care if they are tagged early access or big birth bomb.
I am just saying they are good games. It seems your more interested in business model and proper taging then you are finding a game to enjoy
It's more about Trust, Transparency and Respect, then it is about the actual game to be honest.
...
NONE of which has anything to do with game quality or a compelling gaming experience.
And that is what frustrates me about game posters, they are addicted to everything OTHER than the actual game experience
Yes it does for me.
I am only speaking for myself on this one, but, I have seen and dealt with game developers flipping the bird at their players, put out buggy crap, and then piss on players for complaining about it. Sorry No, never doing that again, and I only feel pity on the people that put up with that.
if that is what makes you happy, then.. go have fun.
I am not hurting waiting, its' a game.. I can wait for a quality product by a quality developer.
I am sooo done with dealing with shit.
Ark Better game by most peoples standards then Archeage Ark incomplete buggy mess made by dishonest evil developers who eat babies for breakfast
Archeage = a complete game that by many peoples standard sucks balls Ark = an incomplete game that by many peoples standard is a great game experience
its really that simple
i should make a big red button and when you hit it, the screen says 'your a winner' and as long as I dont lie, release it on time, and have no bugs I can assure your purchase
Couple of things.
I am not like "most people" and my gaming paradigms are very particular and many would say a bit peculiar.
I happened to enjoy ArcheAges gameplay, at leaat through alpha and beta after which the wheels came off (IMO) for several reasons mostly unrelated to gameplay.
So when you slam AA I have to question how similar our gaming tastes are and it is my belief based on previous experience (with others) most of what you enjoy I'm likely not to.
I'm more likely to follow the recommendation of someone who enjoys playing finished MMORPGs, preferably more on the virtual world side for long periods of time.
Short term game hopping holds zero appeal regardless how "fun" the gameplay might be.
still not making myself clear.
Two DIFFERENT SUBJECTS
SUBJECT 1: Is archeage good? is Ark good despite millions of people buy it
SUBJECT 2: using those two games as an example in desperate attempts to illustrate how 'what version the games is decaled as is not gaming experience' 'what a developer promises is not gaming experience'
can we possibly focus on the meat of number 2?
IS 'what a developer promised' the game experience or not??????????????
Is 'the version state of the game despite any and all other factors the gaming experience or not??????????????
no
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
NONE of which has anything to do with game quality or a compelling gaming experience.
And that is what frustrates me about game posters, they are addicted to everything OTHER than the actual game experience
hmmm, sounds to me that what frustrates you is that they aren't addicted to what "you" think is the actual game experience.
No I am not going to tollerate that. I am not going to accept that 'what a developer says' is a gaming experience. I am not going to accept that 'the release version of a game be it beta or otherwise in of itself and without regard to actual game play' is a gaming experience.
nope...line has been drawn, I call that bullshit
I think those are different things. Of course you shouldn't accept unfinished games. But I don't really see developers saying that that is "part of the game experience".
1. you SHOULD accept unfinished games...how many times do I have to say this!? players should accept good gaming experiences and if those good gaming experiences are in unfinished games then they should run to it in great haste. They should NEVER, NOT PLAY a game they find interesting to instead play a game they DONT find intresting. If there is any risk to developers creating crap that would be the way to ensure it 2. How many times do I have to say the same thing?
I think there's a sliding scale there. Shroud of the Avatar feels very unfinished and to my taste it's to its detriment.
Say it as many times as you like, one shouldn't have to accept unfinished games if those games, in their unfinished state, don't deliver a good experience.
Clearly what you are saying is "a good experience is a good experience" regardless of whether the game is unfinished or not.
there are "finished games" the provide a bad experience.
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lets get real, if it's being sold openly on Steam right now, the access is not "early" at all, they are expecting people to buy the game as-is, with no promise that it will ever change/improve, if they are selling the game, I don't think it's too much to ask or them to own up that the game is live and ready.
As I see it, if they are gonna hide behind "early access" while selling the game I can't help but think, if they are willing to play that kind of stuff now.. what other kinds of things will they try to play upon us later along.
I don't need to play a game bad enough to deal with someone that seems dishonest in their advertising.
I am just saying they are good games. It seems your more interested in business model and proper taging then you are finding a game to enjoy
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
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@Seanmcad ; A personal opinion.
I consider the games you mentioned tiresome and boring, while considering Witcher 3 a true gaming masterpiece. Not ANOTHER survival game like Rust (in all its incarnations throughout the years) please ***sigh***
@ZionBane is correct IMHO ... those games mentioned have little to do with "early" access these days.
Have fun
The problem is when developers use early access as an excuse to drag development on for ages, sometimes even adding features that should be part of a release, such as cash shops and subs. That's when it turns from asking for help building a game to milking players but providing no significant changes.
Go post a criticism of Shroud of the Avatar on their forums. If it doesn't get deleted, you can bet one of the first three responses will be from a clueless developer or whale regurgitating, "It's not done yet!". Same holds true of SC.
~~ postlarval ~~
What exactly did you base this on? Can you provide a link to your research? While I find your list very opinionated and based on nothing more than a whim, I would be interested in seeing if you can change my mind with some hard fact(s).
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
I keep saying this over and over again.
1. it doesnt matter if you call it early access or Mother of All bombs
2. it doesnt matter if the game is not complete or not\
3. it doesnt matter what the developer promised or not promised
4. doesnt matter what the progress is
what matters is...is the game enjoyable..FULL STOP.
what I am trying to convey here is that there are many cases in which an incomplete, bug infested game being worked on by a corrupt and evil developer is actually MORE FUN then games that are not those things.
Swear to fucking god ARK for millions of people is light years more fun then ArcheAge.
THAT is the point.
now if people want to go and cry in a corner complaining about how there are no good games but are unwilling to try Ark (as only 1 example) because of its development state then they have only themselves to blame
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
I am currently playing a MOBA's to pass the time, so I am in no rush to find something at this point. It's a game, not food, I can afford to bide my time to get what feels right to me.
On top of that, ARK, Rust and 7 Days to Die, don't look appealing to me, at all, if hitting trees with rocks to get wood is you flavor then.. have fun.
And that is what frustrates me about game posters, they are addicted to everything OTHER than the actual game experience
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
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Or they have time to burn during bus rides/ticket lines/traffic jams/etc. where they cannot play their favorite PC games, especially MMOs. So they post in forums - while STILL being "addicted" to their personal favorite game(s) and the actual game experience there.
Have fun
Ooo, you're my target market. I should gave a mansion and a Lamborghini by the end of the year if I can find more people like you. And all I have to do is the bare minimum as long as I keep it fun by your standards.
~~ postlarval ~~
Gaming experience comes through being so well-crafted you forget you're playing a game, akin to reading a book, which has become rare. MMO's seem reflective of society's state.
Yes it does for me.
I am only speaking for myself on this one, but, I have seen and dealt with game developers flipping the bird at their players, put out buggy crap, and then piss on players for complaining about it. Sorry No, never doing that again, and I only feel pity on the people that put up with that.
if that is what makes you happy, then.. go have fun.
I am not hurting waiting, its' a game.. I can wait for a quality product by a quality developer.
I am sooo done with dealing with shit.
Ark incomplete buggy mess made by dishonest evil developers who eat babies for breakfast
Archeage = a complete game that by many peoples standard sucks balls
Ark = an incomplete game that by many peoples standard is a great game experience
its really that simple
i should make a big red button and when you hit it, the screen says 'your a winner' and as long as I dont lie, release it on time, and have no bugs I can assure your purchase
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
hmmm, sounds to me that what frustrates you is that they aren't addicted to what "you" think is the actual game experience.
Because in the end everything is part of actual game experience.
If a person plays a game I am fairly certain there is something in it that speaks to them.
Being in the arts I've had my share of people who rail against anything that doesn't conform to their "better" idea of of what people should be exposing themselves to.
Though in fairness, while there might be better options for people They might not know about them because there just isn't the exposure/advertising out there.
Still, no amount of advertising is going to make a person like a game, movie, piece of music, play, book, etc.
It might turn them on to it but if it doesn't hold its own for them they won't continue.
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No I am not going to tollerate that.
I am not going to accept that 'what a developer says' is a gaming experience. I am not going to accept that 'the release version of a game be it beta or otherwise in of itself and without regard to actual game play' is a gaming experience.
nope...line has been drawn, I call that bullshit
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
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2. How many times do I have to say the same thing?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
I am not like "most people" and my gaming paradigms are very particular and many would say a bit peculiar.
I happened to enjoy ArcheAges gameplay, at leaat through alpha and beta after which the wheels came off (IMO) for several reasons mostly unrelated to gameplay.
So when you slam AA I have to question how similar our gaming tastes are and it is my belief based on previous experience (with others) most of what you enjoy I'm likely not to.
I'm more likely to follow the recommendation of someone who enjoys playing finished MMORPGs, preferably more on the virtual world side for long periods of time.
Short term game hopping holds zero appeal regardless how "fun" the gameplay might be.
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As for Ensuring my purchase? Buhahahahahahah sorry.. you may have a giant button on your head that reads 'sucker'.. I do not.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
SUBJECT 1: Is archeage good? is Ark good despite millions of people buy it
SUBJECT 2: using those two games as an example in desperate attempts to illustrate how 'what version the games is decaled as is not gaming experience' 'what a developer promises is not gaming experience' can we possibly focus on the meat of number 2?
IS 'what a developer promised' the game experience or not??????????????
Is 'the version state of the game despite any and all other factors the gaming experience or not??????????????
no
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Say it as many times as you like, one shouldn't have to accept unfinished games if those games, in their unfinished state, don't deliver a good experience.
Clearly what you are saying is "a good experience is a good experience" regardless of whether the game is unfinished or not.
there are "finished games" the provide a bad experience.
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Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo