Ah the good 'ole "limited time" promo. Hurry before someone else gets your spot!
Yeah, kind of like being "sold out" of digital items.
It's amazing how many of them do this old trick. ESO has a "limited time" Dwemer Spider mount on sale as we speak.
I used to play MMOs to get away from real life and "live" in a better fantasy world. Now they all make me feel like I'm playing in a late night TV infomercial.
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So, about that whole 'no early access' thing... or did they only mean it in the strict legal sense, as opposed to the general spirit of it (i.e. selling the product before anyone knows what it actually is)?
Also yeah, this game just has 'wait and see' (from running distance) painted all over it.
My thoughts exactly.. Way way to early, no info, sketchy engine, no video, couple screenshots. This is fitting right into a serj game. Hope I'm wrong, really really hope I'm wrong because I would love to play this but man. Not a good start.
I wish them luck, but I find the lack of information on the game disturbing. Maybe when they have more details ironed out it will something I will look at.
I wish them luck, but I find the lack of information on the game disturbing. Maybe when they have more details ironed out it will something I will look at.
It is VERY disturbing, considering that they claim they are releasing this year.
what i find odd is that according to another article on this site .... they are bypassing kickstarter and other "traditional" crowd funding with the plan to go to straight to a full release sometime this year. which at this time would be a maximum of 6 months development time.(which suggest a late beta state)
yet they are putting out this limited time offer that includes multiple alpha phases , and early access stages and providing no footage of the current state of the game. (which suggest a pre alpha state)
After thought, I'm just not ready to commit to buying something that literally came out of the blue. A month ago, no one had heard of or seen this game and, suddenly, here it is and almost ready for "release". I need to know a lot more.
Without the refund clause there would be no chance... with it... unlikely but I will go look. I still hate the fact that the WarZ guy is in any way associated with this.
Also interesting that they talk about needing to request a refund prior to the second phase of Alpha testing but the packages dont refer to phases. Just the ambiguous access to closed Alpha events for two of them.
Buyer Beware.
How is the WarZ guy involved?
They purchased his engine to make the game on, so indirectly.
I remember all the hacks in Alpha & Beta and release. It made it a very unenjoyable experience. Would like to know how they are going to tackle this, before purchasing a Early Bird package.
Well I went all in even a half way decent western mmo opens the door for some great roleplay. Plus when you think about what we have thrown away on games like, The Repopulation, Star Citizen, Shroud of the Avatar, to name a few, $60 for what they are offering is a hell of a bargain.
Here we go again. To be fair, as long as people keep throwing 100 dollar bills on the street, it's not surprising someone will casually stroll along and pick them up.
While I normally agree that asking to buy into an early bird program with little more than some words on a website a very short environment video is not a good way to establish yourself the following from said website does indeed seem to show good faith on the companies part for those that opt-in,
"We offer unconditional refunds. As a team, we all agreed that it's unfair to get caught up in the hype of a new game and end up getting burned. We do not want you to feel like they bought into a game that isn't what you hoped for.
So, up until the second phase of Alpha testing, we'll let you refund your early bird purchase with no questions asked. This gives you a chance to play the Alpha yourself, and opt-out if you think the game won't develop into the game you wanted. There are no restrictions on amount of time you have played, and there are no limits on how long you owned the game -- so long as you decide before the second phase of Alpha Testing starts you will be granted a full refund.
For refund inquiries contact - support@xsolla.com"
This early, it's still a risk. A simple scenario:
1) Development continues, no issues. 2) Development continues, no issues. 3) Development continues, but might not be able to get everything in unless we get an infusion of cash. 4) New efforts to get cash. 5) Development continues, no issues. 6) Development continues, costs are much higher than antincipated. 7) Sorry folks, we just couldn't do it, and unfortunately we put everything we had into the game and are unable to pay everyone back. Our most heartfelt apologies, but we're going bankrupt.
8) They lied to us; They're scammers; We should file a lawsuite; Early Birds are idiots and deserve what they got; etc.
I'm definitely not saying this is gonna happen, but seeing how other games have crashed and burned, I believe it to be a possibility. They probably have the best of intentions and I don't doubt that they do. But things happen and the earlier in the lifecycle something is, the greater the opportunity for these things to happen.
Well I went all in even a half way decent western mmo opens the door for some great roleplay. Plus when you think about what we have thrown away on games like, The Repopulation, Star Citizen, Shroud of the Avatar, to name a few, $60 for what they are offering is a hell of a bargain.
Or maybe it's time to learn a lesson and stop throwing money away...
After thought, I'm just not ready to commit to buying something that literally came out of the blue. A month ago, no one had heard of or seen this game and, suddenly, here it is and almost ready for "release". I need to know a lot more.
I don't think that expectation is unreasonable. If a game is 6-months away from release then I don't think it's unrealistic to believe that we should see some pretty compelling gameplay footage, livestreams, etc. If a game is releasing in 6 months I would hope that means it's at least feature complete and they are performing internal testing. Maybe they'd let you have an exclusive play-session
Number 1 reason why the industry is in the state it is in... people who back games before they are even half-baked.
Think about this long and hard... I know, for some it is a real challenge... but if the game is worth playing and has even a rats ass chance of even being completed... it will still be there for you to play when it's actually done.
The real issue here is not the game itself, but the players so damn desperate for something to do in their lives that they are willing to spend thousands on an idea if only for 5 minutes of game play. That my friend is so sad on so many levels as to make a heroin addict look like the pillar of society.
Hell, the best thing that could happen for you is the complete eradication of the internet for at least 10 years... then you will be forced to find something else to do with your free time.
Number 1 reason why the industry is in the state it is in... people who back games before they are even half-baked.
Think about this long and hard... I know, for some it is a real challenge... but if the game is worth playing and has even a rats ass chance of even being completed... it will still be there for you to play when it's actually done.
The real issue here is not the game itself, but the players so damn desperate for something to do in their lives that they are willing to spend thousands on an idea if only for 5 minutes of game play. That my friend is so sad on so many levels as to make a heroin addict look like the pillar of society.
Hell, the best thing that could happen for you is the complete eradication of the internet for at least 10 years... then you will be forced to find something else to do with your free time.
Lol, spoken with confident ignorance. I can't speak to this game in-particular because apparently they don't need a KS anymore. However, to make the assertion that "...it will still be there for you to play when it's actually done." is WILDLY inaccurate. The whole premise of crowdfunding and early access is that, without a publisher, these companies require money in order to actually complete the game. So, no, if everyone decided to wait, it will NOT be there for you to play. There may be some exceptions to those rules, but for the most part funding is required in order to make games. People don't work for free.
Also, I'm not sure why you assume that it's an act of desperation by players to back a crowdfunded game. Did you ever think that maybe some people actually find value in backing these games? I've backed about 10 now and only 1 hasn't been completed, and that one (The Repop) has been bought up and will continue development. However, since I saved 50% or more on the box price for these games during their funding phase, I have saved, conservatively, $150 just on the box price of the games alone.
As for people spending thousands, I don't do that, and you obviously don't find value in that, but obviously some people do and obviously they've got much more money that you or I to spend on games. So maybe you're just envious. I don't know. In the end, there are probably hundreds of things people spend more money on annually than this, so it's probably not the epidemic you're making it out to be, certainly not to the point of killing the Internet for 10 years, lol.
So if I understand the situation correct, here's an MMO utilizing the same engine as an earlier game that was more or less a scam, but they are promising that there's no further involvement from the previous devs.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't we heard this before? If I remember it correctly ~10 years ago there was an MMO called 'Throne of Chaos', an MMO that used the same engine as another (scam) MMO called Mourning. The developers of ToC promised that they only used the engine, with no further involvement of the Mourning-developers. However, later it was found out that the ToC-developers were the exact same people (or at least had some of the previous developers on-board). It was also a scam.
It's your money so do what you want, but I'll be staying far away from this game with mine.
Number 1 reason why the industry is in the state it is in... people who back games before they are even half-baked.
There is no evidence that this game is half-baked. From what I can tell they haven't even gone to the store to buy the flour yet.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
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I used to play MMOs to get away from real life and "live" in a better fantasy world. Now they all make me feel like I'm playing in a late night TV infomercial.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Also yeah, this game just has 'wait and see' (from running distance) painted all over it.
My thoughts exactly.. Way way to early, no info, sketchy engine, no video, couple screenshots. This is fitting right into a serj game. Hope I'm wrong, really really hope I'm wrong because I would love to play this but man. Not a good start.
"classification of games into MMOs is not by rational reasoning" - nariusseldon
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Try a MUD today at http://www.mudconnect.com/It is VERY disturbing, considering that they claim they are releasing this year.
Didn't expect that. Pretty fast, with still alpha and cbt coming.
yet they are putting out this limited time offer that includes multiple alpha phases , and early access stages and providing no footage of the current state of the game. (which suggest a pre alpha state)
something doesn't add up here
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
They probably skipped KS because it would have required them to show too much "game play" to get any kind of success there.
This looks like a train wreck in the making...
I remember all the hacks in Alpha & Beta and release. It made it a very unenjoyable experience. Would like to know how they are going to tackle this, before purchasing a Early Bird package.
To be fair, as long as people keep throwing 100 dollar bills on the street, it's not surprising someone will casually stroll along and pick them up.
1) Development continues, no issues.
2) Development continues, no issues.
3) Development continues, but might not be able to get everything in unless we get an infusion of cash.
4) New efforts to get cash.
5) Development continues, no issues.
6) Development continues, costs are much higher than antincipated.
7) Sorry folks, we just couldn't do it, and unfortunately we put everything we had into the game and are unable to pay everyone back. Our most heartfelt apologies, but we're going bankrupt.
8) They lied to us; They're scammers; We should file a lawsuite; Early Birds are idiots and deserve what they got; etc.
I'm definitely not saying this is gonna happen, but seeing how other games have crashed and burned, I believe it to be a possibility. They probably have the best of intentions and I don't doubt that they do. But things happen and the earlier in the lifecycle something is, the greater the opportunity for these things to happen.
Wait a bit and let's get more info first.
I self identify as a monkey.
Or maybe it's time to learn a lesson and stop throwing money away...
I don't think that expectation is unreasonable. If a game is 6-months away from release then I don't think it's unrealistic to believe that we should see some pretty compelling gameplay footage, livestreams, etc. If a game is releasing in 6 months I would hope that means it's at least feature complete and they are performing internal testing. Maybe they'd let you have an exclusive play-session
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Think about this long and hard... I know, for some it is a real challenge... but if the game is worth playing and has even a rats ass chance of even being completed... it will still be there for you to play when it's actually done.
The real issue here is not the game itself, but the players so damn desperate for something to do in their lives that they are willing to spend thousands on an idea if only for 5 minutes of game play. That my friend is so sad on so many levels as to make a heroin addict look like the pillar of society.
Hell, the best thing that could happen for you is the complete eradication of the internet for at least 10 years... then you will be forced to find something else to do with your free time.
Lol, spoken with confident ignorance. I can't speak to this game in-particular because apparently they don't need a KS anymore. However, to make the assertion that "...it will still be there for you to play when it's actually done." is WILDLY inaccurate. The whole premise of crowdfunding and early access is that, without a publisher, these companies require money in order to actually complete the game. So, no, if everyone decided to wait, it will NOT be there for you to play. There may be some exceptions to those rules, but for the most part funding is required in order to make games. People don't work for free.
Also, I'm not sure why you assume that it's an act of desperation by players to back a crowdfunded game. Did you ever think that maybe some people actually find value in backing these games? I've backed about 10 now and only 1 hasn't been completed, and that one (The Repop) has been bought up and will continue development. However, since I saved 50% or more on the box price for these games during their funding phase, I have saved, conservatively, $150 just on the box price of the games alone.
As for people spending thousands, I don't do that, and you obviously don't find value in that, but obviously some people do and obviously they've got much more money that you or I to spend on games. So maybe you're just envious. I don't know. In the end, there are probably hundreds of things people spend more money on annually than this, so it's probably not the epidemic you're making it out to be, certainly not to the point of killing the Internet for 10 years, lol.
Crazkanuk
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Azarelos - 90 Hunter - Emerald
Durnzig - 90 Paladin - Emerald
Demonicron - 90 Death Knight - Emerald Dream - US
Tankinpain - 90 Monk - Azjol-Nerub - US
Brindell - 90 Warrior - Emerald Dream - US
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't we heard this before? If I remember it correctly ~10 years ago there was an MMO called 'Throne of Chaos', an MMO that used the same engine as another (scam) MMO called Mourning. The developers of ToC promised that they only used the engine, with no further involvement of the Mourning-developers. However, later it was found out that the ToC-developers were the exact same people (or at least had some of the previous developers on-board). It was also a scam.
It's your money so do what you want, but I'll be staying far away from this game with mine.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
"classification of games into MMOs is not by rational reasoning" - nariusseldon
Love Minecraft. And check out my Youtube channel OhCanadaGamer
Try a MUD today at http://www.mudconnect.com/