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What did you expected...UO 2.0?...Like Pre-Trammel UO with better graphics? RG is a pionner and he's taking risk, and sadly most people like you, once they make an idea, they just can't put these ideas in question anymore, they are solid rock in their head, it would take the end of the world for them to let go of them and try to see them from a different point of view. Hey man, I'm dealing with the same kind of guys as you every day, hell the earth is full of it, but I keep spending my time here cuz I really think this game deserve at minimum as much love as UO did.
Personally, why the hell would I not play a game because I felt offended by something that someone said about me and assume that EVERYBODY's that's playing the game is the same as that guy? This is childish way of thinking.
As for the RMT between players, it kicks ass. I would have loved selling my silver katana of vanquishing for a couple of bucks back in the days and I had so much stuff...being able to revent the trend as in transforming something virtual into something's real feels good, it just does. That's more than a game dude...and it's well made
We perfectly understand your point, it's just that we don't agree with it.
You just talk like a tipical SotA White Knight, your posts looks like any post you could find on the SotA Official Forums.
Like the Devs and all people at Shroudoftheavatar.com, you refuse to see the massive issues with the game, it's always someone else fault, there is always an excuse at the ready.
Your key words are "Potential", "It needs Polish", "Game is not launched yet"...all excuses, we've been patient long enough.
The game has been in development for 5 years, they spent $18 Mllions on what exactly?
A game which looks like in Pre-Pre-Alpha State, made mainly from Unity Assets?
Dude, do yourself a favor, jump the sinking ship, there is nothing else to see there.
I use words like "Potentials" cause it really has a lot, if you don't see it it's because you haven't played it enough or didn't have the chance to run into someone that could show it to you. "Needs polilsh" and "Not launched" cuz these are facts. I don't care if a game takes 10 years to develop if it delivers at the end. Now I know you don't see in any way possible that this game won't deliver, but even though I've put about 600$ CND from my own pocket into the game, I'm not intending to make a living out of this game if it lives...I also don't intend to sell my account let say in many years, the game for me is just too good, I put money in because I love it. I ain't jumping out of the ship not because I've put already money in and will continue to do so to a certain extend, but because the game is good and I want to play it. It would be a shame if the faith of SotA would be like Vanguard.
AMEN.
When UO came out, no one had an idea how how it would be successful, the ones who took the risk from the beginning were afterwards rewarded with some unique items or hot houses spot (back in the days a spot in Trinsic, if I'm not mistaken, sold for 7,000$. Now, knowing that SotA is pretending to be spiritual successor of UO, there's no excuses for not taking advantage or all these uniques strech goals items from telethons (for example) that helps the game to devellop further and will give you an opportunity to cash in later (if that's what you intend to)...nothing's game breaking on ANYTHING that's purchable. RG is creating a world where the land is limited, real estate will have true value, like when UO fellucia was full, before Trammel...a world where the market will have 2 aspects: 1 being the normal market and another one for the ones looking for rare and unique items. This game isn't designed so you can loot "the sword of a thousands thruths" and sell it for $500.00 It doesn't work like this. It interlock the virtual world (the game) and the reality (your life) in many aspect and rewards it...what best rewards (apart from fun for sure) could there be if not real cash? It's like receiving real life money for playing a game. There's a dude in our guild who played the game from the beginning, put more than 200 hours in the game while getting his char wipped. At some point he stopped and waited for the final wipe. From the final wipe he hasn't put a dime into the game but could easily sell is account 3,000 USD right now with everything he acquired and the time he spent into the game. His character is 33 times GM, just to give you an idea...as an example, though his long play sessions he got able to loot (i believe) was 7 artefact required to build an ultimate artifact, and when he crafted it, he got lucky and crafted it exceptional. Through the market place sold it for around 190$ USD and with something else he was able to get a 3rd tax free village lot...knowledge really is power in every aspect of the game and if you want to jump into the RMT, it's just like the real stuck exchange market....values flutuates, you gotta know the value of things, you gotta know when prices will go up or drop, etc...the game is pretty well and deeply thought in almost all of its aspects
~~ postlarval ~~
Well, I suppose we can start at the beginning. There are a number of significant Kickstarter stretch goals and pledge rewards still missing. And I'm not just talking about little stuff either, huge game mechanics... like "meaningful PVP" and the ability to earn guild houses and guild banks and custom avatar heads and custom coats of arms, etc... list is much longer.
Oh, and the part where they always said the backers were their only source of income and they didn't have private investors until... we found out there had been a series A funding round that raised more than $7M so that's in addition to the $11M they raised from non investors.
Oh, and the Russian investors that they made a deal with in 2015 but on just announced recently.
The fact that very little of the in game content is original... who's vision is being realized here if everything we're looking at is a Unity asset plucked from a third party site for resale in game? The devs grab free Unity assets and sell them for huge markups to make money to do what exactly? Their stated operating costs are about the same as the money they bring in each month through the cash shop... Soooooo, where's the $18M dollars they've raised?
They've admitted in numerous settings that the game is designed for RMT and that RMT is how the in game economy works.
The devs manipulate the drop rates of in game items to keep gold and RMT tradable at target prices. There's no risk of hyper inflation because the entire economy is manipulated and artificial in order to support constant RMT regardless of what players mine or dig or horde... this is also in complete contradiction of stated Kickstarter promises.
Anyone putting their faith and money into this project is going to lose it all and as sad as it'll be, no one can say they weren't warned; there are signs everywhere.
You also say the game is "not launched" but what does that really mean? Isnt that just a word since they are not wiping the server anymore and the cash shop is open? Honestly, the word play used by todays game industry is getting completely ridiculous. If your game is for sale on steam, there are no wipes and the cash shop is open, how is it not launched? Will more content be added in the future, if that is how you define "launched" then World of Warcraft is not launched yet since they are always adding new content.
You talk about facts, let me give you a real fact. Over 40,000 people purchased this game from steam and yet yesterday, which was Sunday and a peak play day for video games, only saw a bit over 200 players in the game at its peak, that is less than one percent. Is that really the mark of a quality game?
Source: https://steamspy.com/app/326160
Yeah...yeah...that's it...waiting...yeah...that's it...
~~ postlarval ~~
From Chris:
The majority of our audience is NOT on Steam and instead just plays through our website and Steam was an after thought that represents about 20% of our audience.
200 X 20% = 1000 And If you log in.. you will hardly beleive that number.
And I think it's fairly obvious that you don't want to listen, so why would he bother?
You can't give a small percentage of the player base and say that it indicates the whole player base, that's like saying that the majority of the your home town likes apples because the 1000 people you asked do, never mind that the town has over 400k residents. You can not give a small percentage of the facts and say that it is the truth.
But at the end of the day, you don't like the game so don't play the game, get over it and move on.
This one shows up in the thread peddling the usual SotA bullshit, gets called out, and then screams "troll" and runs away.
Anyone considering investing in this game: These are the types of people you will be playing with. This is a typical SotA player. Buyer beware.
~~ postlarval ~~
But that's just in muyltiplayer mode. The real numbers are in single player online mode, and Friends online mode (multi-boxing anyone?).
It's a grindy grinding RMT scam. It's not fun as a multiplayer, that's why no one plays it... unless your idea of fun is grinding alone in a mode specifically designed for SOLO grinding so you can take all your botted and macro'd ... errrr, I mean all your mats that you harvested for 20 hours straight to the forums to sell to the other couple dozen SOLO players that like to craft but think spending hundreds of real dollars on mats is an open and player controlled market... (it's not btw, the devs monitor RMT prices and adjust drop rate).
The only multiplayer game in SotA is in their forums, and even that sucks because just when things are about to get good - the thread gets shut down... Just check out this thread on a couple players wanting a RMT FREE SERVER!!! haha, that idea got shut down with the quickness.
If Port opened an RMT server, the majority of the population would move over to it and the whales would be left in an empty world of their own making. Of course they're against it.
Funny thing is that after the thread was locked, 38% of the people on the SotA forums had voted FOR an RMT-free server. I'll bet the whales were shitting their pants.
They must be feeling the pain of their dwindling investments because they've been pretty aggressive on other forums lately.
~~ postlarval ~~
Yes come join me, just so that you can see just how wrong this person is, a great community full of great people from all over the world, players that will go that extra mile to help you. Or you can listen to this person's factless bullshit " as postlarval, puts it" the choice is yours, not his or theirs!
Now , as far as SOTA goes , and once again im a 20 year UO vet , and a Big fan of RG and co work , SoTA is no UO , but , there is the bones of a good game in there altho there are many things i dont like or hope are changed , i have mentioned some of those in this thread...
Hoping that the devs can get this game on track and deliver a good game , That what we all want in the end ...
But some of the posts here .. the anger bordering on hate , are out of line , People need to find a better way to spend your time and energy , its not worth it , Those who need to know have got the message and get it , you dont like there game ... Dam , man , find something fun to do , i never get that degree of vitriol towards a game or Dev ....
Im gonna go test SOTA a bit more ....................peace
And the cheerleader card is played.
All you are doing is jumping whenever it's convenient for your useless comments (which are neither cleaver nor funny) that DO NOT raise the debate we're having here, it only brings it down. Do every body a favor and just quit, even though you're acting like a cheerleader and think that you're helping your side, you really are in fact doing general DoT. Just quit please.