1. it would be easy to implement a 'its not worth much' WoW and EQ2 have been doing it for YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so its not 'absurd' and there are a billion different ways it can be done.
2. my suggestion is that I do not know NOR do you.
Besides, why now do you consider SC NOT absurd?
I'm not at all sure what point you're trying to make here. WoW and EQ2 have nothing to do with this topic and are built completely different in terms of player equipment. It's comparing apples to oranges.
And I know that if ships are completely free, insurance on ships is completely useless. Your argument assumes CIG is dumb enough to not understand that.
really?
after me stating 'my point' clearly and explicitly multiple times you dont understand it AND you think me pointing out that WoW and EQ2 has done in effect what you are claiming can not happen because its 'absurd' is not relevant to it not being possible for it to happen with SC.
If WoW and EQ2 has done what you are calling 'absurd' dont you think its POSSIBLE that SC could be just as absurd?
Or are you just being intentionally difficult out of boredom?
It IS possible for SC to make it such that ships are not worth it. It HAS been done before It being 'absurd' or not doesnt matter, its SC You do not know how this is going to pan out, nor do I
If multiple people have told you they have no idea what you're talking about or the point you are trying to make is ridiculous then perhaps you're not being as clear as you think you are.
so for the billionith time I will tell you for grins
1. Its completely possible and easy for them to make the ships to not have an advantage as they said they will do. its easy to do, other games have done it, its not crazy.
2. I dont know if they are going to actually do it, you dont know if they are actually not going to do it so maybe people should put their raging hard on away and not pretend like they know for a fact that they are not going to do it.
was that hard? am I just the smartest person in the room? is that it?
So because we can't trust the word of the devs ....
of course you should not, you should never do that. Only someone who is new to gaming would think that. You base the discussion off of experience, experience of BOTH developers saying what they say they will do as well as not doing what they say they will do.
It also helps to look at what other developers are doing regarding 'not making it an advantage' (because many do!) before saying its not possible and then running with the assumption as if its a fact that it is not possible.
its not unreasonable to suggest that it is completely possible that they will in fact not make the ships have any advantage as they say they will.
is this really a fight worth having? because its going to turn out wonderful for me.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
To say none of the cash bought ships provide an advantage is absurd. Some of the more expensive ships have larger cargo holds, this is a definite advantage if you are a trader.
The thing is SC's Anti-Fanboys or in Slapshot's case an Anti-Fanboy of anything to do with cash in video games seriously overestimate the advantage provided. They seem to think whoever has the biggest ship wins the fight.
Clearly they have never played Arena Commander, because the biggest ship is also the biggest, slowest target and a skilled pilot of a smaller vessel can tear you to pieces without you ever touching him if your aiming skills don't back up the size of your ship.
This isn't WoW. You don't just press Tab and expect all your hits to land. Anything you do in this game takes skill. Period. People who are used to swiping for or grinding for their right to win are in for a rude awakening if they try that crap in SC. A lot of no-lifers and wallet warriors are due to learn how terrible of players their reliance on stats has made them over the years.
Maybe you should actually READ what I posted. It may be hard to swallow.. but I clearly said that we do not know the MAGNITUDE of the advantage. Simply pointed out that there was in fact an indisputable advantage to buying these ships.
Maybe if you read the thread instead of trying to find ways to attack other players you'd have more accurate info.
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So just checking out the new ship. What it is is a ship you can land on a planet and begin constructing an outpost and eventually even upgrade it to a settlement.
So your 850$ is providing you the ability to colonize planets while everyone else is saving up the in-game currency to buy this ship.
My ship, the Carrack is a deep space exploration ship. My 400$ provides me with the ability to go deeper into space than anyone else can and explore it while they are still saving currency to buy my ship.
Yeah that's an advantage. I don't think it's as big of an advantage as "SOMEONE SPENT CASH ON A VIDEO GAME THE WORLD IS ENDING!" Slapshot would like you to believe but let's be intellectually honest here. It's an edge on the competition. People wouldn't buy it if it wasn't.
I'm flattered you are so obsessed with my opinions, but please do get them right. See prior post for an explanation.
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1. it would be easy to implement a 'its not worth much' WoW and EQ2 have been doing it for YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so its not 'absurd' and there are a billion different ways it can be done.
2. my suggestion is that I do not know NOR do you.
Besides, why now do you consider SC NOT absurd?
I'm not at all sure what point you're trying to make here. WoW and EQ2 have nothing to do with this topic and are built completely different in terms of player equipment. It's comparing apples to oranges.
And I know that if ships are completely free, insurance on ships is completely useless. Your argument assumes CIG is dumb enough to not understand that.
really?
after me stating 'my point' clearly and explicitly multiple times you dont understand it AND you think me pointing out that WoW and EQ2 has done in effect what you are claiming can not happen because its 'absurd' is not relevant to it not being possible for it to happen with SC.
If WoW and EQ2 has done what you are calling 'absurd' dont you think its POSSIBLE that SC could be just as absurd?
Or are you just being intentionally difficult out of boredom?
It IS possible for SC to make it such that ships are not worth it. It HAS been done before It being 'absurd' or not doesnt matter, its SC You do not know how this is going to pan out, nor do I
If multiple people have told you they have no idea what you're talking about or the point you are trying to make is ridiculous then perhaps you're not being as clear as you think you are.
so for the billionith time I will tell you for grins
1. Its completely possible and easy for them to make the ships to not have an advantage as they said they will do. its easy to do, other games have done it, its not crazy.
2. I dont know if they are going to actually do it, you dont know if they are actually not going to do it so maybe people should put their raging hard on away and not pretend like they know for a fact that they are not going to do it.
was that hard? am I just the smartest person in the room? is that it?
So because we can't trust the word of the devs ....
of course you should not, you should never do that. Only someone who is new to gaming would think that. You base the discussion off of experience, experience of BOTH developers saying what they say they will do as well as not doing what they say they will do.
It also helps to look at what other developers are doing regarding 'not making it an advantage' (because many do!) before saying its not possible and then running with the assumption as if its a fact that it is not possible.
its not unreasonable to suggest that it is completely possible that they will in fact not make the ships have any advantage as they say they will.
is this really a fight worth having? because its going to turn out wonderful for me.
Sure this is worth "a fight over" cause you've already lost with your second sentence.
"You base the discussion off of experience, experience of BOTH developers saying what they say they will do as well as not doing what they say they will do."
CR already has a history of saying one thing and then doing something else or walking back promises in order to make a buck. So it's not beyond the realm of belief that buying these ships for real cash will give the player an advantage. And no your example of renting a ship for 5 credits and buying a ship for 5 billion is ridiculous so you can't use that as an argument.
Sure this is worth "a fight over" cause you've already lost with your second sentence.
"You base the discussion off of experience, experience of BOTH developers saying what they say they will do as well as not doing what they say they will do."
CR already has a history of saying one thing and then doing something else or walking back promises in order to make a buck. So it's not beyond the realm of belief that buying these ships for real cash will give the player an advantage. And no your example of renting a ship for 5 credits and buying a ship for 5 billion is ridiculous so you can't use that as an argument.
none of that matters.
For the record. I have not donated a dime to this game and I havent played this game. Why? because I know CR is horrible at time management, I knew that more than a year ago!
What a developer says is often times horseshit, sometimes it works out but here is the thing..and pay close attention to this part.
ME: suggest given that A. its EXTREEMLY easy to do what they are claiming to do and B. Other developers have done it. that MAYBE...just MAYBE...we should not go around stating opinions as facts .
Everyone else: Its unreasonable and unfair to not state assumptions as facts, defend them as facts, consider it a default natural position that they are facts and be insulted when one suggests maybe we dont know
derp?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
1. it would be easy to implement a 'its not worth much' WoW and EQ2 have been doing it for YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so its not 'absurd' and there are a billion different ways it can be done.
2. my suggestion is that I do not know NOR do you.
Besides, why now do you consider SC NOT absurd?
I'm not at all sure what point you're trying to make here. WoW and EQ2 have nothing to do with this topic and are built completely different in terms of player equipment. It's comparing apples to oranges.
And I know that if ships are completely free, insurance on ships is completely useless. Your argument assumes CIG is dumb enough to not understand that.
really?
after me stating 'my point' clearly and explicitly multiple times you dont understand it AND you think me pointing out that WoW and EQ2 has done in effect what you are claiming can not happen because its 'absurd' is not relevant to it not being possible for it to happen with SC.
If WoW and EQ2 has done what you are calling 'absurd' dont you think its POSSIBLE that SC could be just as absurd?
Or are you just being intentionally difficult out of boredom?
It IS possible for SC to make it such that ships are not worth it. It HAS been done before It being 'absurd' or not doesnt matter, its SC You do not know how this is going to pan out, nor do I
If multiple people have told you they have no idea what you're talking about or the point you are trying to make is ridiculous then perhaps you're not being as clear as you think you are.
so for the billionith time I will tell you for grins
1. Its completely possible and easy for them to make the ships to not have an advantage as they said they will do. its easy to do, other games have done it, its not crazy.
2. I dont know if they are going to actually do it, you dont know if they are actually not going to do it so maybe people should put their raging hard on away and not pretend like they know for a fact that they are not going to do it.
was that hard? am I just the smartest person in the room? is that it?
Here's another way to view this.
1) I do not believe there is a way for them to make it so on Day 1 players who purchased ships won't have a significant advantage.
2. I reject all suggestions you've presented so far based on my belief they are not realistic or probable.
3. I believe if SC really had a fool proof method to mitigate the impact they would have already shared the details.
4. I also believe they are fully aware of the initial advantage but are counting on the game evolving in an EVE like scenario where with the passing of time the advantage will rapidly diminish.
5. I think they are counting on the more skill based combat design to mitigate much of the advantage allowing players to out fly and outfight their opponent's.
6. The ship customization model will further water down any advantage gained at start
Finally, no matter which way it all goes, it won't make a bit of difference to an "average Joe" player like me.
'the way' to view this is very simple.
given how unbelievably EASY it is to make all ships not have an advantage maybe people should not assume it will not happen OR will happen. what the fuck is wrong with saying 'we dont know but here is our concern if they dont pull thru with their claim'
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
1. it would be easy to implement a 'its not worth much' WoW and EQ2 have been doing it for YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so its not 'absurd' and there are a billion different ways it can be done.
2. my suggestion is that I do not know NOR do you.
Besides, why now do you consider SC NOT absurd?
I'm not at all sure what point you're trying to make here. WoW and EQ2 have nothing to do with this topic and are built completely different in terms of player equipment. It's comparing apples to oranges.
And I know that if ships are completely free, insurance on ships is completely useless. Your argument assumes CIG is dumb enough to not understand that.
really?
after me stating 'my point' clearly and explicitly multiple times you dont understand it AND you think me pointing out that WoW and EQ2 has done in effect what you are claiming can not happen because its 'absurd' is not relevant to it not being possible for it to happen with SC.
If WoW and EQ2 has done what you are calling 'absurd' dont you think its POSSIBLE that SC could be just as absurd?
Or are you just being intentionally difficult out of boredom?
It IS possible for SC to make it such that ships are not worth it. It HAS been done before It being 'absurd' or not doesnt matter, its SC You do not know how this is going to pan out, nor do I
If multiple people have told you they have no idea what you're talking about or the point you are trying to make is ridiculous then perhaps you're not being as clear as you think you are.
so for the billionith time I will tell you for grins
1. Its completely possible and easy for them to make the ships to not have an advantage as they said they will do. its easy to do, other games have done it, its not crazy.
2. I dont know if they are going to actually do it, you dont know if they are actually not going to do it so maybe people should put their raging hard on away and not pretend like they know for a fact that they are not going to do it.
was that hard? am I just the smartest person in the room? is that it?
Here's another way to view this.
1) I do not believe there is a way for them to make it so on Day 1 players who purchased ships won't have a significant advantage.
2. I reject all suggestions you've presented so far based on my belief they are not realistic or probable.
3. I believe if SC really had a fool proof method to mitigate the impact they would have already shared the details.
4. I also believe they are fully aware of the initial advantage but are counting on the game evolving in an EVE like scenario where with the passing of time the advantage will rapidly diminish.
5. I think they are counting on the more skill based combat design to mitigate much of the advantage allowing players to out fly and outfight their opponent's.
6. The ship customization model will further water down any advantage gained at start
Finally, no matter which way it all goes, it won't make a bit of difference to an "average Joe" player like me.
'the way' to view this is very simple.
given how unbelievably EASY it is to make all ships not have an advantage maybe people should not assume it will not happen OR will happen. what the fuck is wrong with saying 'we dont know but here is our concern if they dont pull thru with their claim'
Because it's neither easy nor desireable to have no advantage to various ships. If that were the case they should just have made 1 ship type with a thousand skins you could buy.
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Sure this is worth "a fight over" cause you've already lost with your second sentence.
"You base the discussion off of experience, experience of BOTH developers saying what they say they will do as well as not doing what they say they will do."
CR already has a history of saying one thing and then doing something else or walking back promises in order to make a buck. So it's not beyond the realm of belief that buying these ships for real cash will give the player an advantage. And no your example of renting a ship for 5 credits and buying a ship for 5 billion is ridiculous so you can't use that as an argument.
none of that matters.
For the record. I have not donated a dime to this game and I havent played this game. Why? because I know CR is horrible at time management, I knew that more than a year ago!
What a developer says is often times horseshit, sometimes it works out but here is the thing..and pay close attention to this part.
ME: suggest given that A. its EXTREEMLY easy to do what they are claiming to do and B. Other developers have done it. that MAYBE...just MAYBE...we should not go around stating opinions as facts .
Everyone else: Its unreasonable and unfair to not predict that its factual that they will not make the ships have an advantage and use words that suggest that is a given understood fact is the only reasonable course of action.
derp?
None of that matters? So you're giving up? Cool glad this was over easily enough.
Not sure why you have to bring up if you have any money in this project or not. It doesn't lend weight any argument you're presenting.
Ok I must have missed it but what is it that it's extremely easy to do? And what other developers have done it?
Everyone else is throwing in their opinion, for the most part anyway. We don't all prefix our arguments with "oh I think it's this way" or something similar because it's implied. Christ if we had to prefix everything so that you don't come in here and start screaming at everyone about opinions as facts we all would be writing novels to say a sentence or two.
1. it would be easy to implement a 'its not worth much' WoW and EQ2 have been doing it for YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so its not 'absurd' and there are a billion different ways it can be done.
2. my suggestion is that I do not know NOR do you.
Besides, why now do you consider SC NOT absurd?
I'm not at all sure what point you're trying to make here. WoW and EQ2 have nothing to do with this topic and are built completely different in terms of player equipment. It's comparing apples to oranges.
And I know that if ships are completely free, insurance on ships is completely useless. Your argument assumes CIG is dumb enough to not understand that.
really?
after me stating 'my point' clearly and explicitly multiple times you dont understand it AND you think me pointing out that WoW and EQ2 has done in effect what you are claiming can not happen because its 'absurd' is not relevant to it not being possible for it to happen with SC.
If WoW and EQ2 has done what you are calling 'absurd' dont you think its POSSIBLE that SC could be just as absurd?
Or are you just being intentionally difficult out of boredom?
It IS possible for SC to make it such that ships are not worth it. It HAS been done before It being 'absurd' or not doesnt matter, its SC You do not know how this is going to pan out, nor do I
If multiple people have told you they have no idea what you're talking about or the point you are trying to make is ridiculous then perhaps you're not being as clear as you think you are.
so for the billionith time I will tell you for grins
1. Its completely possible and easy for them to make the ships to not have an advantage as they said they will do. its easy to do, other games have done it, its not crazy.
2. I dont know if they are going to actually do it, you dont know if they are actually not going to do it so maybe people should put their raging hard on away and not pretend like they know for a fact that they are not going to do it.
was that hard? am I just the smartest person in the room? is that it?
Here's another way to view this.
1) I do not believe there is a way for them to make it so on Day 1 players who purchased ships won't have a significant advantage.
2. I reject all suggestions you've presented so far based on my belief they are not realistic or probable.
3. I believe if SC really had a fool proof method to mitigate the impact they would have already shared the details.
4. I also believe they are fully aware of the initial advantage but are counting on the game evolving in an EVE like scenario where with the passing of time the advantage will rapidly diminish.
5. I think they are counting on the more skill based combat design to mitigate much of the advantage allowing players to out fly and outfight their opponent's.
6. The ship customization model will further water down any advantage gained at start
Finally, no matter which way it all goes, it won't make a bit of difference to an "average Joe" player like me.
'the way' to view this is very simple.
given how unbelievably EASY it is to make all ships not have an advantage maybe people should not assume it will not happen OR will happen. what the fuck is wrong with saying 'we dont know but here is our concern if they dont pull thru with their claim'
Because it's neither easy nor desireable to have no advantage to various ships. If that were the case they should just have made 1 ship type with a thousand skins you could buy.
its extreemly easy, its been done, they say its going to be that way and now you think they are going to be good at balance? did you already forget they are a bad developer?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Sure this is worth "a fight over" cause you've already lost with your second sentence.
"You base the discussion off of experience, experience of BOTH developers saying what they say they will do as well as not doing what they say they will do."
CR already has a history of saying one thing and then doing something else or walking back promises in order to make a buck. So it's not beyond the realm of belief that buying these ships for real cash will give the player an advantage. And no your example of renting a ship for 5 credits and buying a ship for 5 billion is ridiculous so you can't use that as an argument.
none of that matters.
For the record. I have not donated a dime to this game and I havent played this game. Why? because I know CR is horrible at time management, I knew that more than a year ago!
What a developer says is often times horseshit, sometimes it works out but here is the thing..and pay close attention to this part.
ME: suggest given that A. its EXTREEMLY easy to do what they are claiming to do and B. Other developers have done it. that MAYBE...just MAYBE...we should not go around stating opinions as facts .
Everyone else: Its unreasonable and unfair to not predict that its factual that they will not make the ships have an advantage and use words that suggest that is a given understood fact is the only reasonable course of action.
derp?
None of that matters? So you're giving up? Cool glad this was over easily enough.
Not sure why you have to bring up if you have any money in this project or not. It doesn't lend weight any argument you're presenting.
Ok I must have missed it but what is it that it's extremely easy to do? And what other developers have done it?
Everyone else is throwing in their opinion, for the most part anyway. We don't all prefix our arguments with "oh I think it's this way" or something similar because it's implied. Christ if we had to prefix everything so that you don't come in here and start screaming at everyone about opinions as facts we all would be writing novels to say a sentence or two.
He’s just ramping up. I give it three more days before the kettle whistles.
Sure this is worth "a fight over" cause you've already lost with your second sentence.
"You base the discussion off of experience, experience of BOTH developers saying what they say they will do as well as not doing what they say they will do."
CR already has a history of saying one thing and then doing something else or walking back promises in order to make a buck. So it's not beyond the realm of belief that buying these ships for real cash will give the player an advantage. And no your example of renting a ship for 5 credits and buying a ship for 5 billion is ridiculous so you can't use that as an argument.
none of that matters.
For the record. I have not donated a dime to this game and I havent played this game. Why? because I know CR is horrible at time management, I knew that more than a year ago!
What a developer says is often times horseshit, sometimes it works out but here is the thing..and pay close attention to this part.
ME: suggest given that A. its EXTREEMLY easy to do what they are claiming to do and B. Other developers have done it. that MAYBE...just MAYBE...we should not go around stating opinions as facts .
Everyone else: Its unreasonable and unfair to not predict that its factual that they will not make the ships have an advantage and use words that suggest that is a given understood fact is the only reasonable course of action.
derp?
None of that matters? So you're giving up? ..
give up? you confuse me with a CR loyalist. I know better I know developer both make up stuff as well as fail at what they plan to do. So it doesnt really matter much what they say.
BOTH outcomes are extreemly possible
it can extreemly easily go either way
why is that position so terrifying for people?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Sure this is worth "a fight over" cause you've already lost with your second sentence.
"You base the discussion off of experience, experience of BOTH developers saying what they say they will do as well as not doing what they say they will do."
CR already has a history of saying one thing and then doing something else or walking back promises in order to make a buck. So it's not beyond the realm of belief that buying these ships for real cash will give the player an advantage. And no your example of renting a ship for 5 credits and buying a ship for 5 billion is ridiculous so you can't use that as an argument.
none of that matters.
For the record. I have not donated a dime to this game and I havent played this game. Why? because I know CR is horrible at time management, I knew that more than a year ago!
What a developer says is often times horseshit, sometimes it works out but here is the thing..and pay close attention to this part.
ME: suggest given that A. its EXTREEMLY easy to do what they are claiming to do and B. Other developers have done it. that MAYBE...just MAYBE...we should not go around stating opinions as facts .
Everyone else: Its unreasonable and unfair to not predict that its factual that they will not make the ships have an advantage and use words that suggest that is a given understood fact is the only reasonable course of action.
derp?
None of that matters? So you're giving up? Cool glad this was over easily enough.
Not sure why you have to bring up if you have any money in this project or not. It doesn't lend weight any argument you're presenting.
Ok I must have missed it but what is it that it's extremely easy to do? And what other developers have done it?
Everyone else is throwing in their opinion, for the most part anyway. We don't all prefix our arguments with "oh I think it's this way" or something similar because it's implied. Christ if we had to prefix everything so that you don't come in here and start screaming at everyone about opinions as facts we all would be writing novels to say a sentence or two.
He’s just ramping up. I give it three more days before the kettle whistles.
Oh I know. I've been in threads with Sean before. I'm hoping I can accelerate the process somewhat so we can go back to having our regular (regular for the SC forum anyway) debates without having to throw up huge disclaimers that this is your opinion every other sentence.
Sure this is worth "a fight over" cause you've already lost with your second sentence.
"You base the discussion off of experience, experience of BOTH developers saying what they say they will do as well as not doing what they say they will do."
CR already has a history of saying one thing and then doing something else or walking back promises in order to make a buck. So it's not beyond the realm of belief that buying these ships for real cash will give the player an advantage. And no your example of renting a ship for 5 credits and buying a ship for 5 billion is ridiculous so you can't use that as an argument.
none of that matters.
For the record. I have not donated a dime to this game and I havent played this game. Why? because I know CR is horrible at time management, I knew that more than a year ago!
What a developer says is often times horseshit, sometimes it works out but here is the thing..and pay close attention to this part.
ME: suggest given that A. its EXTREEMLY easy to do what they are claiming to do and B. Other developers have done it. that MAYBE...just MAYBE...we should not go around stating opinions as facts .
Everyone else: Its unreasonable and unfair to not predict that its factual that they will not make the ships have an advantage and use words that suggest that is a given understood fact is the only reasonable course of action.
derp?
None of that matters? So you're giving up? Cool glad this was over easily enough.
Not sure why you have to bring up if you have any money in this project or not. It doesn't lend weight any argument you're presenting.
Ok I must have missed it but what is it that it's extremely easy to do? And what other developers have done it?
Everyone else is throwing in their opinion, for the most part anyway. We don't all prefix our arguments with "oh I think it's this way" or something similar because it's implied. Christ if we had to prefix everything so that you don't come in here and start screaming at everyone about opinions as facts we all would be writing novels to say a sentence or two.
He’s just ramping up. I give it three more days before the kettle whistles.
Oh I know. I've been in threads with Sean before. I'm hoping I can accelerate the process somewhat so we can go back to having our regular (regular for the SC forum anyway) debates without having to throw up huge disclaimers that this is your opinion every other sentence.
craxy threads suggesting we dont have enough information to make assumptions as facts at this time instead of running with assumptions as facts.
yeah...crazy
its easy to make the ships in the hanger not important.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
LMAO 20 pages of nonsense (yeah I have posted a few times myself) about selling something to something that in all likelihood wont ever see the light of day.
Rather than debate the obvious things people getting caught up in stuff that wont really matter.
As I said in this thread theyrer just lucky fraud divisions of countries arent monitoring what theyre doing.
I suppose once this all come crashing down they might.
But theyre SELLING something now (well they have been for a long while) and once that becomes clear that the product SOLD wont be able to do what they claimed it will (if it ever 'exists' at all) or the environment it was specifically bought for doesnt exist (thus making its 'value' even less than what people thought it was) it will get interesting. Or it should anyway.
It will probably take investigators and authorities longer top figure out what money bought something that ended up being 'valid' or 'invalid' longer than it will take for people to realize this is one big long con.
So it will be the gift that keeps on giving, so the fanboys and detractors will have another decade or more to do their thing.
Oh I know. I've been in threads with Sean before. I'm hoping I can accelerate the process somewhat so we can go back to having our regular (regular for the SC forum anyway) debates without having to throw up huge disclaimers that this is your opinion every other sentence.
For the life of me, I can't even figure out what he's trying to argue at this point. Other than the underlying "I'm right" message he's bludgeoning everyone who responds with.
Sure this is worth "a fight over" cause you've already lost with your second sentence.
"You base the discussion off of experience, experience of BOTH developers saying what they say they will do as well as not doing what they say they will do."
CR already has a history of saying one thing and then doing something else or walking back promises in order to make a buck. So it's not beyond the realm of belief that buying these ships for real cash will give the player an advantage. And no your example of renting a ship for 5 credits and buying a ship for 5 billion is ridiculous so you can't use that as an argument.
none of that matters.
For the record. I have not donated a dime to this game and I havent played this game. Why? because I know CR is horrible at time management, I knew that more than a year ago!
What a developer says is often times horseshit, sometimes it works out but here is the thing..and pay close attention to this part.
ME: suggest given that A. its EXTREEMLY easy to do what they are claiming to do and B. Other developers have done it. that MAYBE...just MAYBE...we should not go around stating opinions as facts .
Everyone else: Its unreasonable and unfair to not predict that its factual that they will not make the ships have an advantage and use words that suggest that is a given understood fact is the only reasonable course of action.
derp?
None of that matters? So you're giving up? Cool glad this was over easily enough.
Not sure why you have to bring up if you have any money in this project or not. It doesn't lend weight any argument you're presenting.
Ok I must have missed it but what is it that it's extremely easy to do? And what other developers have done it?
Everyone else is throwing in their opinion, for the most part anyway. We don't all prefix our arguments with "oh I think it's this way" or something similar because it's implied. Christ if we had to prefix everything so that you don't come in here and start screaming at everyone about opinions as facts we all would be writing novels to say a sentence or two.
He’s just ramping up. I give it three more days before the kettle whistles.
Oh I know. I've been in threads with Sean before. I'm hoping I can accelerate the process somewhat so we can go back to having our regular (regular for the SC forum anyway) debates without having to throw up huge disclaimers that this is your opinion every other sentence.
Well he does have the uncanny ability to make everyone else in the thread look like an absolute genius. So there is that.
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Sure this is worth "a fight over" cause you've already lost with your second sentence.
"You base the discussion off of experience, experience of BOTH developers saying what they say they will do as well as not doing what they say they will do."
CR already has a history of saying one thing and then doing something else or walking back promises in order to make a buck. So it's not beyond the realm of belief that buying these ships for real cash will give the player an advantage. And no your example of renting a ship for 5 credits and buying a ship for 5 billion is ridiculous so you can't use that as an argument.
none of that matters.
For the record. I have not donated a dime to this game and I havent played this game. Why? because I know CR is horrible at time management, I knew that more than a year ago!
What a developer says is often times horseshit, sometimes it works out but here is the thing..and pay close attention to this part.
ME: suggest given that A. its EXTREEMLY easy to do what they are claiming to do and B. Other developers have done it. that MAYBE...just MAYBE...we should not go around stating opinions as facts .
Everyone else: Its unreasonable and unfair to not predict that its factual that they will not make the ships have an advantage and use words that suggest that is a given understood fact is the only reasonable course of action.
derp?
None of that matters? So you're giving up? Cool glad this was over easily enough.
Not sure why you have to bring up if you have any money in this project or not. It doesn't lend weight any argument you're presenting.
Ok I must have missed it but what is it that it's extremely easy to do? And what other developers have done it?
Everyone else is throwing in their opinion, for the most part anyway. We don't all prefix our arguments with "oh I think it's this way" or something similar because it's implied. Christ if we had to prefix everything so that you don't come in here and start screaming at everyone about opinions as facts we all would be writing novels to say a sentence or two.
He’s just ramping up. I give it three more days before the kettle whistles.
Oh I know. I've been in threads with Sean before. I'm hoping I can accelerate the process somewhat so we can go back to having our regular (regular for the SC forum anyway) debates without having to throw up huge disclaimers that this is your opinion every other sentence.
Well he does have the uncanny ability to make everyone else in the thread look like an absolute genius. So there is that.
who is are you refering to?
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so clearly its likely there will not be an advantage to buying ships
Keep telling yourself that. Please be sure to come back when it launches and let us know how that worked out for you.
we came up with 3 possible ways it could easily happen in just under an hour. so maybe its not out of line to suggest to people to not assume its a given that what they stated is untrue so casually.
Dude, just because .....
dude...just because one feels like the statement of 'the ships will not give you an advantage' doesnt mean that it will not without even knowing the full ruleset.
we came up with three possible ways the ship could not give you an advantage within about 45 mins.
My SUGGESTION here is for people to not assume...dude, just because you feel like it.
Passive aggressive with people who disagree with you eh? Very mature. Answer a couple of questions for me since I am ignorant and need to be educated.
1. Is there pvp in this game? 2. If so, can one use ships purchased with real life money in pvp? 3. Do some ships have better dogfighting capes than others? 4. Can you buy a better ship right now than one you would have setting foot in the game on day one? 5. If I buy a $100000 ship with real life money....will that ship be better than the newbs who just bought the game without buying ships with real life money.
If you can answer no to 2 thru 5 I will concede that you are right. If you can't....you are wrong. Good luck.
To say none of the cash bought ships provide an advantage is absurd. ...
currently in the game any player can fly any ship in the game for free.
that is how it was last time I saw it
there are a trillion diffferent ways you can make this work
So you are saying people are paying thousands of dollars for ships that everyone can get for free? This makes zero sense.
its easy to make the ships in the hanger not important.
yes... they could just cancel the game I suppose.
or have rentable ships like I they they are doing in the video just released. Then its just editing the cost difference for balance.
simple
As we covered. Your rentable ship idea does not pass the test of feasibility. I'm not going to explain it to you again but feel free to re-read what was explained to you multiple times by multiple people.
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its easy to make the ships in the hanger not important.
yes... they could just cancel the game I suppose.
or have rentable ships like I they they are doing in the video just released. Then its just editing the cost difference for balance.
simple
As we covered. Your rentable ship idea does not pass the test of feasibility. I'm not going to explain it to you again but feel free to re-read what was explained to you multiple times by multiple people.
1. your 'feasibility' assumes SC is a good developer well managed in balance, is that how you see CR?
2. it is extremely feasible, in some games its literally changing a number in an XML file. The question is not 'feasibility' the question is BALANCE. but that assumes SC would be good at balance, why would you assume that?
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You base the discussion off of experience, experience of BOTH developers saying what they say they will do as well as not doing what they say they will do.
It also helps to look at what other developers are doing regarding 'not making it an advantage' (because many do!) before saying its not possible and then running with the assumption as if its a fact that it is not possible.
its not unreasonable to suggest that it is completely possible that they will in fact not make the ships have any advantage as they say they will.
is this really a fight worth having? because its going to turn out wonderful for me.
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Maybe if you read the thread instead of trying to find ways to attack other players you'd have more accurate info.
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"You base the discussion off of experience, experience of BOTH developers saying what they say they will do as well as not doing what they say they will do."
CR already has a history of saying one thing and then doing something else or walking back promises in order to make a buck. So it's not beyond the realm of belief that buying these ships for real cash will give the player an advantage. And no your example of renting a ship for 5 credits and buying a ship for 5 billion is ridiculous so you can't use that as an argument.
For the record. I have not donated a dime to this game and I havent played this game. Why? because I know CR is horrible at time management, I knew that more than a year ago!
What a developer says is often times horseshit, sometimes it works out but here is the thing..and pay close attention to this part.
ME: suggest given that A. its EXTREEMLY easy to do what they are claiming to do and B. Other developers have done it. that MAYBE...just MAYBE...we should not go around stating opinions as facts .
Everyone else: Its unreasonable and unfair to not state assumptions as facts, defend them as facts, consider it a default natural position that they are facts and be insulted when one suggests maybe we dont know
derp?
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given how unbelievably EASY it is to make all ships not have an advantage maybe people should not assume it will not happen OR will happen. what the fuck is wrong with saying 'we dont know but here is our concern if they dont pull thru with their claim'
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Not sure why you have to bring up if you have any money in this project or not. It doesn't lend weight any argument you're presenting.
Ok I must have missed it but what is it that it's extremely easy to do? And what other developers have done it?
Everyone else is throwing in their opinion, for the most part anyway. We don't all prefix our arguments with "oh I think it's this way" or something similar because it's implied. Christ if we had to prefix everything so that you don't come in here and start screaming at everyone about opinions as facts we all would be writing novels to say a sentence or two.
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BOTH outcomes are extreemly possible
it can extreemly easily go either way
why is that position so terrifying for people?
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yeah...crazy
its easy to make the ships in the hanger not important.
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Rather than debate the obvious things people getting caught up in stuff that wont really matter.
As I said in this thread theyrer just lucky fraud divisions of countries arent monitoring what theyre doing.
I suppose once this all come crashing down they might.
But theyre SELLING something now (well they have been for a long while) and once that becomes clear that the product SOLD wont be able to do what they claimed it will (if it ever 'exists' at all) or the environment it was specifically bought for doesnt exist (thus making its 'value' even less than what people thought it was) it will get interesting. Or it should anyway.
It will probably take investigators and authorities longer top figure out what money bought something that ended up being 'valid' or 'invalid' longer than it will take for people to realize this is one big long con.
So it will be the gift that keeps on giving, so the fanboys and detractors will have another decade or more to do their thing.
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1. Is there pvp in this game?
2. If so, can one use ships purchased with real life money in pvp?
3. Do some ships have better dogfighting capes than others?
4. Can you buy a better ship right now than one you would have setting foot in the game on day one?
5. If I buy a $100000 ship with real life money....will that ship be better than the newbs who just bought the game without buying ships with real life money.
If you can answer no to 2 thru 5 I will concede that you are right. If you can't....you are wrong. Good luck.
So you are saying people are paying thousands of dollars for ships that everyone can get for free? This makes zero sense.
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2. it is extremely feasible, in some games its literally changing a number in an XML file. The question is not 'feasibility' the question is BALANCE. but that assumes SC would be good at balance, why would you assume that?
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