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'AAA Games at EA Are Dead for the Time-Being' & Microtransactions Are Why

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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    edited October 2017
    Xasapis said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Sovrath said:
    SEANMCAD said:


    now if you excuse me I have to check the traffic but not sure if its real or not

    or maybe...and this is just a theory a bluesky thought so to speak.
    maybe he is not making anything up, maybe the article is 100% correct and maybe his information is 100% correct. Do you think that is possible?
    It's a really different world you live in Sean, isn't it?
    a world in which I think its possible that a media story might actually be accurate 100%?

    I guess if that is a different world then yeah I live in it. I also believe my traffic reports, you dont?
    That ex-Bioware guy's opinion is as useful as is your ex opinion is about you.
    and like I said that is why some people dont believe any news, any information, any science unless they see it themselves.

    I dont know how they trust the traffic report but never the less that is where they are in life.

    and if you read what I said you will see I havent expressed an opinion. only possibilities and the possibility that the story is 100% accurate is not far fetched 

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

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  • MikehaMikeha Member EpicPosts: 9,196

    Mikeha said:

    I called it. ;)

    One thing for sure is that console gamers are not complaining about AAA.







    That ad told me nothing about the game other than that it has nice environments.

    If you want to know about the game then do your research. ;)
    Kyleran
  • XasapisXasapis Member RarePosts: 6,337
    SEANMCAD said:
    Xasapis said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Sovrath said:
    SEANMCAD said:


    now if you excuse me I have to check the traffic but not sure if its real or not

    or maybe...and this is just a theory a bluesky thought so to speak.
    maybe he is not making anything up, maybe the article is 100% correct and maybe his information is 100% correct. Do you think that is possible?
    It's a really different world you live in Sean, isn't it?
    a world in which I think its possible that a media story might actually be accurate 100%?

    I guess if that is a different world then yeah I live in it. I also believe my traffic reports, you dont?
    That ex-Bioware guy's opinion is as useful as is your ex opinion is about you.
    and like I said that is why some people dont believe any news, any information, any science unless they see it themselves.

    I dont know how they trust the traffic report but never the less that is where they are in life.
    This article is not news, it's an opinion piece about his ex company injected with an advertisement of his new indy studio.

    Also, if you don't take into account the agenda of your news source, you're missing the angle from which they cover any story. And knowing the angle is very important, because it is an indication on whether you are served the WHOLE story.

    As a final comment, the world is not black and white. You don't have to choose between believing everything or believing nothing. There are countless shades of grey in between and being there is much healthier than the extremes.
    YashaX
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,952
    edited October 2017
    SEANMCAD said:
    Sovrath said:
    SEANMCAD said:


    now if you excuse me I have to check the traffic but not sure if its real or not

    or maybe...and this is just a theory a bluesky thought so to speak.
    maybe he is not making anything up, maybe the article is 100% correct and maybe his information is 100% correct. Do you think that is possible?
    It's a really different world you live in Sean, isn't it?
    a world in which I think its possible that a media story might actually be accurate 100%?

    I guess if that is a different world then yeah I live in it. I also believe my traffic reports, you dont?
    No, a world where you take the word of one person as vernacular because "why would he make it up?" and where your other response is "well, if he can make it up they all can make it up".

    Of course news outlets can get it wrong. But the whole idea of a "good news outlet" is that they seek corroborating sources. And if they don't have those sources then they will say that their news is based on x, y and z, a tip, something so that they don't pass off something that is completely false as "truth" without some back up.

    And yeah, they can get it wrong. That's not the point. the point is that you state "why would he make it up" as there is no possible reason he would ever make it up.


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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    edited October 2017
    Sovrath said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Sovrath said:
    SEANMCAD said:


    now if you excuse me I have to check the traffic but not sure if its real or not

    or maybe...and this is just a theory a bluesky thought so to speak.
    maybe he is not making anything up, maybe the article is 100% correct and maybe his information is 100% correct. Do you think that is possible?
    It's a really different world you live in Sean, isn't it?
    a world in which I think its possible that a media story might actually be accurate 100%?

    I guess if that is a different world then yeah I live in it. I also believe my traffic reports, you dont?
    No, a world where you take the word of one person ....

    dude! I am not

    read CAREFULLY.

    I said

    Maybe its POSSIBLE that the story is correct.

    put all the possible options on the table, why is the POSSIBLITY that its correct is not allowed on the table?

    critical thinking skills should allow for the 'story was 100% true' to be a possible outcome here. there are many possibilities and it being true is one of many not can we apply some critical thinking skills to this?


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  • SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129
    edited October 2017
    I see "corroborating sources" as just about every person who's ever come to MMORPG.com and bemoaned the nearly out of control microtransaction trend in games these days. I don't need statistical research or company PR to tell me what most of us already know. 

    While the dude may have an axe to grind with EA, what he's saying is interesting nonetheless, even if something that none of us are really all that surprised by.
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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    edited October 2017
    SBFord said:
    I see "corroborating sources" as just about every person who's ever come to MMORPG.com and bemoaned the nearly out of control microtransaction trend in games these days. I don't need statistical research or company PR to tell me what most of us already know. 

    While the dude may have an axe to grind with EA, what he's saying is interesting nonetheless, even if something that none of us are really all that surprised by.
    which begs another question, if he wanted to fabricate something to get back at EA why would he pick a subject and its details that is not remotely surprising to anyone?

    In my house as a child before I even knew what 'critical thinking' skills where my parents would apply questions to things like that so I just assume everyone else does but I am learning that this is not always the case.

    EDIT: an also as you point out another basic question, why dose it matter if the story is false or not. It rings to truth

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  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 6,919
    edited October 2017
    Dauzqul said:
    <snip>
     future DLCs (total bs), 
    <snip>
    OK if the game as released is clearly incomplete - clearly incomplete and not sold as episodes.Same deal if it charges a subscription on the "promise" of providing extra content and only delivers once in a blue moon fine.

    And there is a very simple solution if you think a company isn't providing "value for money". Don't buy it.

    Otherwise are you seriously suggesting you shouldn't pay for extra content? What about the cinema - did you pay for Harry Potter 1 and expect to get the other 7 for free. Thor, Spiderman, next months Netflix? Your next car, gallon of gas or piazza?

    I actually think EA should be given credit for their "season passes" which guarantee - guarantee - a given amount of future content. A pity other companies opted not to adopt them - Activision tried a pass but without the guarantee; it flopped they canned it. 

    Post edited by gervaise1 on
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,952
    SEANMCAD said:

    Maybe its POSSIBLE that the story is correct.



    No you asked "why would he make it up". Do you remember that part? that's what I responded to.

    and then I say "Again you never know"

    and then you "which is why many will ignore literally all news, all information, all science, unless they personally witness it. I find that not useful but I get it but it does make it hard to do even the most basic of things like check the weather or traffic


    etc.


    Right back at you with Critical thinking.

    As far as what SBFord says, "sure" he very well might be talking honest truth. I think the best evidence is to see what this company does over the course of time. If everything they do supports his assertion then "yes he was telling the truth".





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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    Sovrath said:
    SEANMCAD said:

    Maybe its POSSIBLE that the story is correct.



    No you asked "why would he make it up"......


    and that is not an opinion!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I am asking questions, I am not stating a view on this subject. that is a question.
    I can help you understand this but work with me a bit

    is it POSSIBLE....that the story is true.....not that it is factually true, but out of all the possibles out there do you think its POSSIBlE that it might could be true?

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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    So I looked it up, he was fired from Bioware?
    what does that have to do with EA in this conspiracy theory?

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  • TheDarkrayneTheDarkrayne Member EpicPosts: 5,297
    Hello piratebay...
    I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 6,919
    If there are "lots" of players queuing up to spend $15,000 I would expect EA to produce more content. They are not. Which suggests to me that whilst there may well be some its not "that many".

    I don't actually think the issue is "micro-transactions" - look at Zynga?

    For me the issue is more fundamental: players don't want to pay. Period. John Riccitiello has spoken of this in his current role as CEO at Unity Technologies (Unity Engine) - game companies don't want to pay to use Unity because players don't want to pay for games.  

    And that is reflected in the paucity of non-mobile games being produced by EA: 5 sports games (all released on console, 1 on PC), a port from PC to PC (Sims 4) and ....roll of the drums ... Need for Speed Payback and SW BF 2 on console and PC. Zero "original" titles and almost no titles on PC at all.



  • ForgrimmForgrimm Member EpicPosts: 3,069
    SEANMCAD said:
    So I looked it up, he was fired from Bioware?
    what does that have to do with EA in this conspiracy theory?

    EA is Bioware's parent company.
  • OnecrazyguyOnecrazyguy Member UncommonPosts: 99
    Dauzqul said:
    $15,000 in cash shop sales for a single person is not uncommon?!?

    I used to live paycheck to paycheck. However, due to extremely hard work and dedication, I now like Direct Deposit to Direct Deposit.
    In the world of F2P, $15k isn't that much money. Many F2P games have players paying in excess of $100k each... It's insane IMO, but it's true.
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    gervaise1 said:
    If there are "lots" of players queuing up to spend $15,000 I....

    he didnt say 'lots' he said 'its not uncommon' that is VERY different. Lots implies a majority, 'not uncommon' implies a minority but not a rarity.

    Here is the critical thinking question of the day.
    We all know companies do this, its not a surprised in the least, so the only question is the amount of dollars in question. If one is to lie why would they select that lie? Why not something with more pop to it? and given he was fired from Bioware what does this lie have to do with EA?

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

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  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 10,722
    edited October 2017
    Not buying EA games anymore. If i really want to play one i'll play the torrent/cracked version when i visit my friends outside the US... Or just pretend the company/game don't exist.

    I dont waste my money feeding these kind that people. Without us, they are not a business. They should know better than to scam their only source of money, us the customers.

    EDIT: Activision lost me as a customer as well with their new patent. Sorry Blizzard.




  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    Not buying EA games anymore. If i really want to play one i'll play the torrent/cracked version when i visit my friends outside the US... Or just pretend the company/game don't exist.

    I dont waste my money feeding these kind that people. Without us, they are not a business. They should know better than to scam their only source of money, us the customers.

    EDIT: Activision lost me as a customer as well. Sorry Blizzard.
    I am not convinced that selling you items in a game qualifies as a scam. I can see some conditions where I would agree its scammy but in general 'want to buy this? here is the price' is not really a scam
    YashaX

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  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 10,722
    SEANMCAD said:
    Not buying EA games anymore. If i really want to play one i'll play the torrent/cracked version when i visit my friends outside the US... Or just pretend the company/game don't exist.

    I dont waste my money feeding these kind that people. Without us, they are not a business. They should know better than to scam their only source of money, us the customers.

    EDIT: Activision lost me as a customer as well. Sorry Blizzard.
    I am not convinced that selling you items in a game qualifies as a scam. I can see some conditions where I would agree its scammy but in general 'want to buy this? here is the price' is not really a scam
    What you just described is not a problem at all. You know that is not what they do.
    YashaX




  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    SEANMCAD said:
    Not buying EA games anymore. If i really want to play one i'll play the torrent/cracked version when i visit my friends outside the US... Or just pretend the company/game don't exist.

    I dont waste my money feeding these kind that people. Without us, they are not a business. They should know better than to scam their only source of money, us the customers.

    EDIT: Activision lost me as a customer as well. Sorry Blizzard.
    I am not convinced that selling you items in a game qualifies as a scam. I can see some conditions where I would agree its scammy but in general 'want to buy this? here is the price' is not really a scam
    What you just described is not a problem at all. You know that is not what they do.
    Some of how they manipulate the young via marketing can be seen as unethical but I would not call it a scam.
    a scam is more you think you buying X but you get Y, so in my eyes its different but I get what you are trying to convey

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

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  • CryomatrixCryomatrix Member EpicPosts: 3,223
    SEANMCAD said:
    gervaise1 said:
    If there are "lots" of players queuing up to spend $15,000 I....

    he didnt say 'lots' he said 'its not uncommon' that is VERY different. Lots implies a majority, 'not uncommon' implies a minority but not a rarity.

    Here is the critical thinking question of the day.
    We all know companies do this, its not a surprised in the least, so the only question is the amount of dollars in question. If one is to lie why would they select that lie? Why not something with more pop to it? and given he was fired from Bioware what does this lie have to do with EA?
    Who cares. 

    Out of curiosity, SEANMCAD, why do you always respond to people and get into long arguments. I can't do it. I don't know what it is about me, but I think I can always try to put myself in someone's shoes and possibly see their point of view, so I never come out and tell a person, "you are flat out wrong". 

    I can understand why people refuse to believe all media unless they witness it, at times, I find myself heading that way. I can also understand why people believe everything the media says. It is just easier than critically thinking and it is like cake if what is presented in the news aligns with your beliefs. 

    I personally find the way people respond to news as fascinating and pathetic all at the same time. 

    Also, there are times I do get triggered on this forum but the reality is it is so rare and I barely care enough to argue with a person. Why is it that you can never let anything go? Many threads you are in descend into a back-and-forth argument where you have a bunch of quote boxes. 

    You may have heard of the term "meta-cognition". It is basically an exercise where you reflect on why you do and think the way that you do.

    Like:
    1) Why do I not believe anything the media says?
    2) Why do I support a certain party over other parties?
    3) Why do I hate this person that I work with?
    4) Why do I keep harassing this girl who dumped me? 
    5) Why am I wasting time at work instead of going home early when I have the option? 
    6) Why did I go home early yesterday?
    7) Why do I always have to get the last word in and tell everyone why they are wrong and don't think critically enough?

    My answer to number 5 and 6is that I need alone time where I can truly relax and home life isn't relaxing but at work I can find solace. That's why I don't go home early when I easily have the option to.  I went home early yesterday to watch a football game :)

    What's your answer to #7

    Cryomatrix
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  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 10,722
    SEANMCAD said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Not buying EA games anymore. If i really want to play one i'll play the torrent/cracked version when i visit my friends outside the US... Or just pretend the company/game don't exist.

    I dont waste my money feeding these kind that people. Without us, they are not a business. They should know better than to scam their only source of money, us the customers.

    EDIT: Activision lost me as a customer as well. Sorry Blizzard.
    I am not convinced that selling you items in a game qualifies as a scam. I can see some conditions where I would agree its scammy but in general 'want to buy this? here is the price' is not really a scam
    What you just described is not a problem at all. You know that is not what they do.
    Some of how they manipulate the young via marketing can be seen as unethical but I would not call it a scam.
    a scam is more you think you buying X but you get Y, so in my eyes its different but I get what you are trying to convey
    I consider it a scam if they trick people into paying extra. How they trick you? Activisions new patent does that. Also altering the game so that you have a bad experience unless you pay more. 
    YashaX




  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    edited October 2017
    SEANMCAD said:
    gervaise1 said:
    If there are "lots" of players queuing up to spend $15,000 I....

    he didnt say 'lots' he said 'its not uncommon' that is VERY different. Lots implies a majority, 'not uncommon' implies a minority but not a rarity.

    Here is the critical thinking question of the day.
    We all know companies do this, its not a surprised in the least, so the only question is the amount of dollars in question. If one is to lie why would they select that lie? Why not something with more pop to it? and given he was fired from Bioware what does this lie have to do with EA?
    Who cares. 

    Out of curiosity, SEANMCAD, why do you always respond to people and get into long arguments. I can't do it. I don't know what it is about me, but I think I can always try to put myself in someone's shoes and possibly see their point of view, so I never come out and tell a person, "you are flat out wrong". 

    I can understand why people refuse to believe all media unless they witness it, at times, I find myself heading that way. I can also understand why people believe everything the media says. It is just easier than critically thinking and it is like cake if what is presented in the news aligns with your beliefs. 

    I personally find the way people respond to news as fascinating and pathetic all at the same time. 

    Also, there are times I do get triggered on this forum but the reality is it is so rare and I barely care enough to argue with a person. Why is it that you can never let anything go? Many threads you are in descend into a back-and-forth argument where you have a bunch of quote boxes. 

    You may have heard of the term "meta-cognition". It is basically an exercise where you reflect on why you do and think the way that you do.

    Like:
    1) Why do I not believe anything the media says?
    2) Why do I support a certain party over other parties?
    3) Why do I hate this person that I work with?
    4) Why do I keep harassing this girl who dumped me? 
    5) Why am I wasting time at work instead of going home early when I have the option? 
    6) Why did I go home early yesterday?
    7) Why do I always have to get the last word in and tell everyone why they are wrong and don't think critically enough?

    My answer to number 5 and 6is that I need alone time where I can truly relax and home life isn't relaxing but at work I can find solace. That's why I don't go home early when I easily have the option to.  I went home early yesterday to watch a football game :)

    What's your answer to #7

    Cryomatrix
    I cant read the vast majority of what you wrote so forgive me but I do think what I am about to ask (if you read closely) should shed some light on this. But I will ask for you to please stay on topic and not try to get personal, it just adds a lot of unneeded noise to the conversation


    -------IMPORTANT PART START--------
    We all know large companies do microtransactions to the hilt. So why would a person who was fired from BIOWARE (not EA) lie about the amount of money in question? So a two part question
    1. why is he targeting EA?
    2. why did he not come up with a far more interesting lie then this benign one? Why not something far more interesting?
    -------IMPORTANT PART END--------

    It reminds of all these posts on my Facebook I see regarding the possibility of two shooters in Las Vegas or the possibility of it being a different person complete. I keep asking these people 'why' and I cant get an answer. why would someone lie about that?

    For extra credit: why do you trust your traffic report but not your news? maybe you dont. maybe 100% of your news you think all of it lies. Why? well that could be fun to look into. so how do you determine which is true and which is not? gut feeling? why do you think your gut feeling is so good? if its that easy why dose this massive lie machine work so well on people? and for what reason

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

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  • OnecrazyguyOnecrazyguy Member UncommonPosts: 99
    edited October 2017

    I consider it a scam if they trick people into paying extra. How they trick you? Activisions new patent does that. Also altering the game so that you have a bad experience unless you pay more. 
    I agree with this. Normal F2P monetization can be "ugly" but doing things like the patent outlines where people are setup to fail on purpose to entice them to pay is wrong (as a game developer). Putting items that players find valuable (READ: NOT POWER FOR MONEY) is a good way to monetize games. Things like skins, etc. are fair ways to monetize. If you love the skin and feel it's worth $20, then buy it. If not, you're no less competitive or at a disadvantage from others. 

    F2P is basically a required method for building games today due to the insane development cost. The number of people that will play your game is 10-100x higher than it would be if you sold it for any amount of money. Many, many gamers want games to be completely free, but that doesn't work for game devs that have families and need to pay their own bills. Having said that, building games JUST to make money is ruining the art form of game development. At some point, the lock boxes and these crazy schemes will backfire and the industry will once again move to a new monetization scheme. Until then, just vote with your wallets.
    rojoArcueid
  • ForgrimmForgrimm Member EpicPosts: 3,069
    SEANMCAD said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    gervaise1 said:
    If there are "lots" of players queuing up to spend $15,000 I....

    he didnt say 'lots' he said 'its not uncommon' that is VERY different. Lots implies a majority, 'not uncommon' implies a minority but not a rarity.

    Here is the critical thinking question of the day.
    We all know companies do this, its not a surprised in the least, so the only question is the amount of dollars in question. If one is to lie why would they select that lie? Why not something with more pop to it? and given he was fired from Bioware what does this lie have to do with EA?
    Who cares. 

    Out of curiosity, SEANMCAD, why do you always respond to people and get into long arguments. I can't do it. I don't know what it is about me, but I think I can always try to put myself in someone's shoes and possibly see their point of view, so I never come out and tell a person, "you are flat out wrong". 

    I can understand why people refuse to believe all media unless they witness it, at times, I find myself heading that way. I can also understand why people believe everything the media says. It is just easier than critically thinking and it is like cake if what is presented in the news aligns with your beliefs. 

    I personally find the way people respond to news as fascinating and pathetic all at the same time. 

    Also, there are times I do get triggered on this forum but the reality is it is so rare and I barely care enough to argue with a person. Why is it that you can never let anything go? Many threads you are in descend into a back-and-forth argument where you have a bunch of quote boxes. 

    You may have heard of the term "meta-cognition". It is basically an exercise where you reflect on why you do and think the way that you do.

    Like:
    1) Why do I not believe anything the media says?
    2) Why do I support a certain party over other parties?
    3) Why do I hate this person that I work with?
    4) Why do I keep harassing this girl who dumped me? 
    5) Why am I wasting time at work instead of going home early when I have the option? 
    6) Why did I go home early yesterday?
    7) Why do I always have to get the last word in and tell everyone why they are wrong and don't think critically enough?

    My answer to number 5 and 6is that I need alone time where I can truly relax and home life isn't relaxing but at work I can find solace. That's why I don't go home early when I easily have the option to.  I went home early yesterday to watch a football game :)

    What's your answer to #7

    Cryomatrix
    snip
    1. why is he targeting EA?

    EA is the parent company of Bioware. The specific studio he worked for, Bioware Montreal, no longer exists. EA merged it into EA Motive.
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