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Blizzard Takes Down Bossland's Honorbuddy, Program Discontinued - World of Warcraft News

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edited November 2017 in News & Features Discussion

imageBlizzard Takes Down Bossland's Honorbuddy, Program Discontinued - World of Warcraft News

HonorBuddy, a controversial bot program in World of Warcraft, is being discontinued effective today. The program has been the fulcrum of legal tussles between Blizzard and Bossland, the organization behind the program. Blizzard has been aggressively pursuing legal action against Bossland as well as seeking out and banning users of the bot. In addition to Honorbuddy, Lazymon, Buddywing and Hearthbuddy will also stop being sold.

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  • ThupliThupli Member RarePosts: 1,318
    Good work! That crap ruins games.
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  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 8,914
    For the Horde !!!
    SBFord[Deleted User][Deleted User]jgDuffayJudgeUKgegecouc
  • Keldor837Keldor837 Member UncommonPosts: 263
    I have avoided BG's for a long time due to these bots. You can't organize anything when a third or more of your team is a program and not a player. If there was a battleground that was purely about kill counts, then it wouldn't matter. But BG's are about objectives, not kills. Killing is only a means to an end to secure the objective.

    I'm glad to see this finally going away.
    ForgrimmJudgeUKThupli
  • tyrrintyrrin Member UncommonPosts: 39
    About friggin time!
    JudgeUK
  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 8,061
    DMKano said:
    Whats more intersting is that Demonbuddy remains up (Diablo 3 botter)

    Why?
    At this point, I'm assuming Blizzard has forgotten that Diablo 3 exists.

    I know, clearly an exaggeration, but updates to Diablo 3 are so rare and small in scope that one can't help but think of it as their red-headed stepchild. Even HotS sees far more developer support. 
    AlomarXingbairong
  • DeadSpockDeadSpock Member UncommonPosts: 403
    edited November 2017

    DMKano said:

    Whats more intersting is that Demonbuddy remains up (Diablo 3 botter)



    Why?



    I'll tell you why, you bot on Diablo you're not taking money off Blizzard if you bot in WoW you can buy subscription with in game gold.

    edit: you are the one keep saying all devs care is money so there you have it.
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,059

    DMKano said:

    Whats more intersting is that Demonbuddy remains up (Diablo 3 botter)



    Why?



    Perhaps bots don't have as great an impact in a MinMO like D3.

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  • ForgrimmForgrimm Member EpicPosts: 3,069
    DeadSpock said:

    DMKano said:

    Whats more intersting is that Demonbuddy remains up (Diablo 3 botter)



    Why?



    I'll tell you why, you bot on Diablo you're not taking money off Blizzard if you bot in WoW you can buy subscription with in game gold.

    edit: you are the one keep saying all devs care is money so there you have it.
    Blizz loves when people buy subscriptions with gold, because they make $20 for that month sub instead of $15.
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  • Tiamat64Tiamat64 Member RarePosts: 1,545
    Rhoklaw said:
    Forgrimm said:
    DeadSpock said:

    DMKano said:

    Whats more intersting is that Demonbuddy remains up (Diablo 3 botter)



    Why?



    I'll tell you why, you bot on Diablo you're not taking money off Blizzard if you bot in WoW you can buy subscription with in game gold.

    edit: you are the one keep saying all devs care is money so there you have it.
    Blizz loves when people buy subscriptions with gold, because they make $20 for that month sub instead of $15.
    Blizz doesn't make any money from subscriptions paid with in-game money, lol. Sorry, I didn't notice any sarcasm in your post, so not sure if you were serious.
    Please stop and think about the bigger picture before someone has to point it out for you.
    PhryXingbairong
  • ForgrimmForgrimm Member EpicPosts: 3,069
    Rhoklaw said:
    Forgrimm said:
    DeadSpock said:

    DMKano said:

    Whats more intersting is that Demonbuddy remains up (Diablo 3 botter)



    Why?



    I'll tell you why, you bot on Diablo you're not taking money off Blizzard if you bot in WoW you can buy subscription with in game gold.

    edit: you are the one keep saying all devs care is money so there you have it.
    Blizz loves when people buy subscriptions with gold, because they make $20 for that month sub instead of $15.
    Blizz doesn't make any money from subscriptions paid with in-game money, lol. Sorry, I didn't notice any sarcasm in your post, so not sure if you were serious.
    For every token that someone purchases with gold, someone else paid $20 for it...
    PhryCazrielXingbairongTiller[Deleted User]rojoArcueid
  • Dagon13Dagon13 Member UncommonPosts: 566
    Kyleran said:

    DMKano said:

    Whats more intersting is that Demonbuddy remains up (Diablo 3 botter)



    Why?



    Perhaps bots don't have as great an impact in a MinMO like D3.
    Holy crap, games like D3 ARE MMOs because they are mini multiplayer online.  My entire life has just been turned upside down.
    Quizzical
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,059
    Dagon13 said:
    Kyleran said:

    DMKano said:

    Whats more intersting is that Demonbuddy remains up (Diablo 3 botter)



    Why?



    Perhaps bots don't have as great an impact in a MinMO like D3.
    Holy crap, games like D3 ARE MMOs because they are mini multiplayer online.  My entire life has just been turned upside down.
    Excellent, no one should have to lead a crap life, glad you were enlightened.

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  • ForgrimmForgrimm Member EpicPosts: 3,069
    Rhoklaw said:
    Forgrimm said:
    Rhoklaw said:
    Forgrimm said:
    DeadSpock said:

    DMKano said:

    Whats more intersting is that Demonbuddy remains up (Diablo 3 botter)



    Why?



    I'll tell you why, you bot on Diablo you're not taking money off Blizzard if you bot in WoW you can buy subscription with in game gold.

    edit: you are the one keep saying all devs care is money so there you have it.
    Blizz loves when people buy subscriptions with gold, because they make $20 for that month sub instead of $15.
    Blizz doesn't make any money from subscriptions paid with in-game money, lol. Sorry, I didn't notice any sarcasm in your post, so not sure if you were serious.
    For every token that someone purchases with gold, someone else paid $20 for it...
    I guess I was thinking people paid for them with in-game gold. I guess if subscriptions can only be bought with real money, than that makes sense.
    People do buy them with in-game gold. Person A buys a token for $20 and puts it on the auction house. Person B buys the token for 190k gold, and redeems it for one month sub. Person A gets the 190k gold, person B gets 1 month of game-time, Blizz gets $20.
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  • linadragonlinadragon Member RarePosts: 589
    I have no real problem with bots so long as they are just used to play a game as opposed to being used by gold sellers etc. 
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  • RenoakuRenoaku Member EpicPosts: 3,157
    edited November 2017
    It's not so bad if Blizzard is collecting a "TASK LIST" of applications a user is running, but if they are taking screen shots which could compromise the security of a person for example sensitive documents or .txt files for exampe .pdf etc, then this is a problem.

    Also I don't know why cheat developers are so stupid if you know you're going to get sued anyways the best thing they could do is just make the cheat open sourced and just give the source code freely to everyone and once its out there there is no stopping it because people are free to develop, (Not that I want to see cheaters.) because a lot of programs do violate the Terms OF Service of WOW or other services, but I have seen some cases where certain programs do not even interact with Blizzard and Blizzards wins because they are a big rich company.

    For example its totally possible to take a basic macro keyboard, and totally write a basic script that totally automates game-play farms monsters etc in many online games, and just remain there in-case a GM contacts you, but Blizzard doesn't ban NAGA keyboards, Logitech etc why common software that can automate game-play isn't banned from all games hmmm?

    Not that users should automate game-play or anything like that because its not worth thhe risk anyways and it is cheating.
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  • renstarensta Member RarePosts: 728

    Renoaku said:

    It's not so bad if Blizzard is collecting a "TASK LIST" of applications a user is running, but if they are taking screen shots which could compromise the security of a person for example sensitive documents or .txt files for exampe .pdf etc, then this is a problem.



    Also I don't know why cheat developers are so stupid if you know you're going to get sued anyways the best thing they could do is just make the cheat open sourced and just give the source code freely to everyone and once its out there there is no stopping it because people are free to develop, (Not that I want to see cheaters.) because a lot of programs do violate the Terms OF Service of WOW or other services, but I have seen some cases where certain programs do not even interact with Blizzard and Blizzards wins because they are a big rich company.



    For example its totally possible to take a basic macro keyboard, and totally write a basic script that totally automates game-play farms monsters etc in many online games, and just remain there in-case a GM contacts you, but Blizzard doesn't ban NAGA keyboards, Logitech etc why common software that can automate game-play isn't banned from all games hmmm?

    Not that users should automate game-play or anything like that because its not worth thhe risk anyways and it is cheating.



    Well they didn't want to put it as free source because they were selling the botting programs...
    And about the naga keyboard and all.. Money... Big companies pay other big companies to make more money... And in the end its all about money,not really gameplay.
    I'd even say, blizzard sell their own botting program under other name, probably want to take down the competition.
    As people already stated, botting leads to more in game passes being sold...
    Many games themselves sell in game gold, else i can't explain how on the first week of a new mmorpg some gold sellers sell millions of gold.... When no one even reached max level... And then ofc, they don't ban them, nothing easier then banning gold sellers... They are using global shout for gods sake....
    Yeah, i don't have any proof, just my own common sense.

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  • CazrielCazriel Member RarePosts: 419
    That oh, woe is me announcement from people who have profited from and promoted cheating is just too precious. And while they're bemoaning their inability to profit further off Blizzard's work, they attempt to piss all over Blizzard for daring to detect bots running in their games. The only people impressed by this are people who now have to play games straight up inside of sideways. Oh, woe is me, indeed.
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,059
    Renoaku said:
    It's not so bad if Blizzard is collecting a "TASK LIST" of applications a user is running, but if they are taking screen shots which could compromise the security of a person for example sensitive documents or .txt files for exampe .pdf etc, then this is a problem.

    Also I don't know why cheat developers are so stupid if you know you're going to get sued anyways the best thing they could do is just make the cheat open sourced and just give the source code freely to everyone and once its out there there is no stopping it because people are free to develop, (Not that I want to see cheaters.) because a lot of programs do violate the Terms OF Service of WOW or other services, but I have seen some cases where certain programs do not even interact with Blizzard and Blizzards wins because they are a big rich company.

    For example its totally possible to take a basic macro keyboard, and totally write a basic script that totally automates game-play farms monsters etc in many online games, and just remain there in-case a GM contacts you, but Blizzard doesn't ban NAGA keyboards, Logitech etc why common software that can automate game-play isn't banned from all games hmmm?

    Not that users should automate game-play or anything like that because its not worth thhe risk anyways and it is cheating.
    Always facinating to see people "against" cheating go out of their way to provide ways it can be accomplished....in detail.


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  • RenoakuRenoaku Member EpicPosts: 3,157

    Kyleran said:


    Renoaku said:

    It's not so bad if Blizzard is collecting a "TASK LIST" of applications a user is running, but if they are taking screen shots which could compromise the security of a person for example sensitive documents or .txt files for exampe .pdf etc, then this is a problem.



    Also I don't know why cheat developers are so stupid if you know you're going to get sued anyways the best thing they could do is just make the cheat open sourced and just give the source code freely to everyone and once its out there there is no stopping it because people are free to develop, (Not that I want to see cheaters.) because a lot of programs do violate the Terms OF Service of WOW or other services, but I have seen some cases where certain programs do not even interact with Blizzard and Blizzards wins because they are a big rich company.



    For example its totally possible to take a basic macro keyboard, and totally write a basic script that totally automates game-play farms monsters etc in many online games, and just remain there in-case a GM contacts you, but Blizzard doesn't ban NAGA keyboards, Logitech etc why common software that can automate game-play isn't banned from all games hmmm?

    Not that users should automate game-play or anything like that because its not worth thhe risk anyways and it is cheating.


    Always facinating to see people "against" cheating go out of their way to provide ways it can be accomplished....in detail.





    I hate cheaters, I report them in every game I see them in especially FPS games when I get players shooting through walls and instant headshots everytime you respawn cheating is awful.

    But at the same time I do keep an open mind about why cheat companies are so stupid, and IMO its because of the fact that every cheat website cant disclose here but lets just say honor buddy for example only exists to make profit, if they really wanted to release the ultimate hacks then cheat developers would also make their cheats open source to everyone, but the whole purpose behind it seems to make as much money as possible (Put consumers accounts at risk because cheating is bad.) and then user gets banned and the only one making profit in the end is the cheat company.

    I also wouldn't personally trust using any type of cheating program, because you could honestly trust Blizzard more as a company not to include illegal software while installing a malicious 5mb cheat may contain a keylogger or password stealer or something you wouldn't want just another downside to using such things.

    But at the same time I don't trust rich companies like Blizzard when they claim that in order to cheat world of warcraft every game developer they have sued they said uses parts of their game to perform a cheating action or cheat actions in game aka Copyright infringment, sure they can sue for damages, or other things based off cheats that specifically target world of warcraft, or are advertised to cheat WOW specifically for example.

    But what about Logitech Keyboards, Game Controllers, Mice, even mini macro programs that can be used to cheat in games for example they aren't defined as cheats, but can be used to automate game - play, I am not sure why logitech isn't being target after all I use a logitech keyboard many people do can only assume that they monitor people using such every so often.
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  • tawesstawess Member EpicPosts: 4,227
    Here is the thing... 

    Botting.. much like moonshining... Is pretty much a non issue if you only use what you produce your self. If you write your own macro (or if you have the chops, software) and only use it your self. Not even Blizzard is going to care beyond having a GM tap you ever so often to see that you are at your keyboard. 

    It is only when you make a enterprise out of your botting that it becomes a issue. Not only impacting a large amount of people but potentially causing damage to the brand... And when your brand is worth as much as the Warcraft one... That is not good. 

    That is when the gloves come off. 


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    This have been a good conversation

  • XingbairongXingbairong Member RarePosts: 927
    edited November 2017
    Really glad to hear this. Also I'm hoping that now gold will become a bit more "valuable" and the prices for WoW tokens on EU will drop from the 300k that's being staying at for so long.

    Also I hope that Blizzard comes out with a statement regarding the scanning of our PCs... I'm worried that's making my PC vulnerable to hacking and also curious if VPNs are issues. I use VPN from my workplace and it will suck not to be able to log while at work :P
  • JudgeUKJudgeUK Member RarePosts: 1,700
    Excellent news. It always surprises me about the outcry by some people when these bot programs are challenged in the courts.
    Excerpt from the World of Warcraft Terms & Conditions:

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    Additional License Limitations.

    The license granted to you in Section 1 is subject to the limitations set forth in Sections 1 and 2 (collectively, the “License Limitations”). Any use of the Service or the Game Client in violation of the License Limitations will be regarded as an infringement of Blizzard’s copyrights in and to the Game. You agree that you will not, under any circumstances:

    A. use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the World of Warcraft experience;

    -----------------------------

    Pretty hard to miss really.
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  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 9,004
    Free publicity for their site here.

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  • ShodanasShodanas Member RarePosts: 1,933
    "While WoW runs, the game is continuously scanning the user's computer with the capability to send back exactly which applications the user is running, and in some situations even going as far as sending back window titles of any window on the computer. These things happen even if WoW is running in the background, and even without logging in to a character..."

    WTF, if the above is true then Blizzard has some explaining to do.
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  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,990
    edited November 2017
    Shodanas said:
    "While WoW runs, the game is continuously scanning the user's computer with the capability to send back exactly which applications the user is running, and in some situations even going as far as sending back window titles of any window on the computer. These things happen even if WoW is running in the background, and even without logging in to a character..."

    WTF, if the above is true then Blizzard has some explaining to do.

     Blizzard End User License Agreement:
    4. Consent to Monitor. WHILE RUNNING, THE PLATFORM (INCLUDING A GAME) MAY MONITOR YOUR COMPUTER OR MOBILE DEVICE'S MEMORY FOR UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAMS RUNNING EITHER CONCURRENTLY WITH A GAME OR OUT OF PROCESS. AN "UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM" AS USED HEREIN SHALL BE DEFINED AS ANY THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE PROHIBITED BY SECTION 1.C. ABOVE. IN THE EVENT THAT THE PLATFORM DETECTS AN UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM, (a) THE PLATFORM MAY COMMUNICATE INFORMATION BACK TO BLIZZARD, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION YOUR ACCOUNT NAME, DETAILS ABOUT THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM DETECTED, AND THE TIME AND DATE; AND/OR (b) BLIZZARD MAY EXERCISE ANY OR ALL OF ITS RIGHTS UNDER THIS AGREEMENT, WITH OR WITHOUT PRIOR NOTICE TO THE USER. Additionally, certain Games include a tool that will allow your computer system to forward information to Blizzard in the event that the Game crashes, including system and driver data, and by agreeing hereto you consent to Blizzard receiving and/or using this data.

    Blizzard does not have anything to explain. They've explained already.
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