"While WoW runs, the game is continuously scanning the user's computer with the capability to send back exactly which applications the user is running, and in some situations even going as far as sending back window titles of any window on the computer. These things happen even if WoW is running in the background, and even without logging in to a character..."
WTF, if the above is true then Blizzard has some explaining to do.
The program is called Warden, it's been around since Warcraft 3.
"While WoW runs, the game is continuously scanning the user's computer with the capability to send back exactly which applications the user is running, and in some situations even going as far as sending back window titles of any window on the computer. These things happen even if WoW is running in the background, and even without logging in to a character..."
WTF, if the above is true then Blizzard has some explaining to do.
The program is called Warden, it's been around since Warcraft 3.
Most games do this, or use services for it. Its why often people can't run BDO in the background while playing certain other games.
Also why sometimes a player running certain "development" tools on their PC get flagged and shut off as said tools are also used by hackers to cheat.
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Whats more intersting is that Demonbuddy remains up (Diablo 3 botter)
Why?
Perhaps bots don't have as great an impact in a MinMO like D3.
There must have been a legal reason - since Blizzard was protecting all of it's IP
Blizzard only cares about its IP because Activision tells them to, At this point, Blizzard has almost enough capital to buy themselves out of Activision's clutches, cause honestly, Blizzard doesn't ruin games, Activision ruins games.
Whats more intersting is that Demonbuddy remains up (Diablo 3 botter)
Why?
I'll tell you why, you bot on Diablo you're not taking money off Blizzard if you bot in WoW you can buy subscription with in game gold.
edit: you are the one keep saying all devs care is money so there you have it.
Blizz loves when people buy subscriptions with gold, because they make $20 for that month sub instead of $15.
Blizz doesn't make any money from subscriptions paid with in-game money, lol. Sorry, I didn't notice any sarcasm in your post, so not sure if you were serious.
Yes they do. The sub token has to be purchased. It's basically blizzards version of gold farming.
Whats more intersting is that Demonbuddy remains up (Diablo 3 botter)
Why?
I'll tell you why, you bot on Diablo you're not taking money off Blizzard if you bot in WoW you can buy subscription with in game gold.
edit: you are the one keep saying all devs care is money so there you have it.
but Blizzard still makes money as someone has to buy the game subs that are sold for gold
That's what he's saying, since you can't sell your D3 gold for tokens it doesn't affect Blizz, therefore they aren't as aggressive with that. Legally speaking maybe they have to demonstrate financial loss from the program. Since botting in D3 doesn't directly affect the bottom line like it does with their RMT services they don't pursue action against that specific bot. It's not worth the effort.
Blizz would rather people buy WoW tokens with gold for their subscriptions, they make more money that way. $20 for the 1 month sub instead of $15 if the person subbed directly with real money.
Whats more intersting is that Demonbuddy remains up (Diablo 3 botter)
Why?
I'll tell you why, you bot on Diablo you're not taking money off Blizzard if you bot in WoW you can buy subscription with in game gold.
edit: you are the one keep saying all devs care is money so there you have it.
Blizz loves when people buy subscriptions with gold, because they make $20 for that month sub instead of $15.
Blizz doesn't make any money from subscriptions paid with in-game money, lol. Sorry, I didn't notice any sarcasm in your post, so not sure if you were serious.
For every token that someone purchases with gold, someone else paid $20 for it...
I guess I was thinking people paid for them with in-game gold. I guess if subscriptions can only be bought with real money, than that makes sense.
People do buy them with in-game gold. Person A buys a token for $20 and puts it on the auction house. Person B buys the token for 190k gold, and redeems it for one month sub. Person A gets the 190k gold, person B gets 1 month of game-time, Blizz gets $20.
I understand that, but what I am saying is, this means that no one can buy a subscription with just gold. Someone has to pay for the token and sell it in the auction house. This basically means that should no one ever buy a token with real money, than no one can buy it off the auction house. So this is not a form of F2P, but rather another means for Blizzard to profit off a legitimate gold selling platform they control.
Yup, that pretty much sums it up. There's been a few rare occasions when no tokens were available on the AH, but most of the time they're available for purchase.
Whats more intersting is that Demonbuddy remains up (Diablo 3 botter)
Why?
I'll tell you why, you bot on Diablo you're not taking money off Blizzard if you bot in WoW you can buy subscription with in game gold.
edit: you are the one keep saying all devs care is money so there you have it.
but Blizzard still makes money as someone has to buy the game subs that are sold for gold
That's what he's saying, since you can't sell your D3 gold for tokens it doesn't affect Blizz, therefore they aren't as aggressive with that. Legally speaking maybe they have to demonstrate financial loss from the program. Since botting in D3 doesn't directly affect the bottom line like it does with their RMT services they don't pursue action against that specific bot. It's not worth the effort.
Blizz would rather people buy WoW tokens with gold for their subscriptions, they make more money that way. $20 for the 1 month sub instead of $15 if the person subbed directly with real money.
Doubt they care which way they subscribe. They already received the $20 for the token, regardless if it sells. So if said person subscribed with money instead of gold, they received an extra $15. You're making it seem like Blizzard only gets their $20 when the token sells. Theoretically, people could flood the auction house with tokens, and if everyone went and subbed with money instead, Blizzard would be ecstatic.
In the EU ToSs do not take precedent over the law of the land; pretty sure the issue hasn't been tested in the US but it would probably be the same outcome.
Imagine if MS decided that WoW was an unauthorized program and so couldn't be run under Windows!!!!!! Or StarOffice - using it is depriving them of MS Office revenue etc. etc.
Even the simplest mouse and keyboard are bots let alone the sophisticated ones
The reason "ToSs" came to court in the EU was because multiple very large multinational companies that spend millions on business software started to get very worried by the ToSs that had started to appear. They had started to become anti-competitive and companies were giving themselves "outs" in case they didn't work as intended. Our Payroll software doesn't talk to your HR software - well you are not using our HR software so not our problem.
Inputs and Outputs are not "protected" - which is why it took Activision Blizzard quite a lot of time to find a way to take HonorBuddy down. The simple argument "we have declared it to be a bot and our ToS says bots cannot be used" did not work.
And in the big scheme of things we should all be glad of that. Companies cannot circumvent laws by putting up signs. Which is what a lot of ToSs are. Which is why they don't fly.
Whats more intersting is that Demonbuddy remains up (Diablo 3 botter)
Why?
I'll tell you why, you bot on Diablo you're not taking money off Blizzard if you bot in WoW you can buy subscription with in game gold.
edit: you are the one keep saying all devs care is money so there you have it.
but Blizzard still makes money as someone has to buy the game subs that are sold for gold
That's what he's saying, since you can't sell your D3 gold for tokens it doesn't affect Blizz, therefore they aren't as aggressive with that. Legally speaking maybe they have to demonstrate financial loss from the program. Since botting in D3 doesn't directly affect the bottom line like it does with their RMT services they don't pursue action against that specific bot. It's not worth the effort.
Blizz would rather people buy WoW tokens with gold for their subscriptions, they make more money that way. $20 for the 1 month sub instead of $15 if the person subbed directly with real money.
Doubt they care which way they subscribe. They already received the $20 for the token, regardless if it sells. So if said person subscribed with money instead of gold, they received an extra $15. You're making it seem like Blizzard only gets their $20 when the token sells. Theoretically, people could flood the auction house with tokens, and if everyone went and subbed with money instead, Blizzard would be ecstatic.
If the token didn't sell, then the person who spent $20 on it wouldn't get their gold. So they certainly wouldn't flood the AH with tokens if they weren't selling. If everyone decided to sub with money instead of tokens, then tokens wouldnt sell on the AH, and people would stop buying them with $. So you can bet that Blizz does care which way people subscribe. Since $20 is always > $15.
Whats more intersting is that Demonbuddy remains up (Diablo 3 botter)
Why?
I'll tell you why, you bot on Diablo you're not taking money off Blizzard if you bot in WoW you can buy subscription with in game gold.
edit: you are the one keep saying all devs care is money so there you have it.
but Blizzard still makes money as someone has to buy the game subs that are sold for gold
That's what he's saying, since you can't sell your D3 gold for tokens it doesn't affect Blizz, therefore they aren't as aggressive with that. Legally speaking maybe they have to demonstrate financial loss from the program. Since botting in D3 doesn't directly affect the bottom line like it does with their RMT services they don't pursue action against that specific bot. It's not worth the effort.
Blizz would rather people buy WoW tokens with gold for their subscriptions, they make more money that way. $20 for the 1 month sub instead of $15 if the person subbed directly with real money.
Not necessarily. An ongoing subscription of $15 a month tends to be more reliable than one-off purchases of $20, and thus have more value on a per dollar basis.
So I am glad that bot programs are being removed because I hate cheaters, what concerns me though is Blizzard, how did they get Honor Buddy removed in the first place was it done by Blizzard telling the truth in court?
I read about Blizzard lying about the Intellectual Property thing if I am understanding correctly under appeal, that part is upsetting, like I am glad they won because I hate bots and cheaters too, but its a concern for me when a rich company can pull out the "Intellectual Property Claim" and try to use it every time because in a court people are supposed to be truthful.
Also I remember Blizzard going after people who create fan art claiming "Intellectual Property" too popular artists like Sakimichan because its considered Adult in nature, not like that stopped it but still really upsetting that a company would try to do this, but then we have insane copyright laws like these in this video.
The bot buys subscriptions, the main account buys subscriptions... The whales have a legal way to buy in game gold... Blizzard would never really care about bots, it's just that they want to rule the bot market themselves, and sell their own botting program.
"it's just good business"
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Look at the cesspool of delusion on that forum. Just a big "Blizzard is evil" fan club, making all these rules, scanning their systems. Jesus, if they weren't trying to cheat to begin with, they'd have nothing to worry about.
- "It has always been our opinion that Honorbuddy provides no edge, except to empower players with less time than others to enjoy the game like anyone else." DURRR??
- "Fighting this war as long as we have is something no one has done before, and no one will do in the future."
I think in their minds this is a Rebels vs. Empire type of deal, and they were somehow fighting the good fight against ol' evil Blizz, even though they've been profiting off violating the ToS and circumventing actual gameplay for 8 years or so. These guys are a joke.
Glad to see Blizzard finally figured out how to finish them off.
Look at the cesspool of delusion on that forum. Just a big "Blizzard is evil" fan club, making all these rules, scanning their systems. Jesus, if they weren't trying to cheat to begin with, they'd have nothing to worry about.
- "It has always been our opinion that Honorbuddy provides no edge, except to empower players with less time than others to enjoy the game like anyone else." DURRR??
- "Fighting this war as long as we have is something no one has done before, and no one will do in the future."
I think in their minds this is a Rebels vs. Empire type of deal, and they were somehow fighting the good fight against ol' evil Blizz, even though they've been profiting off violating the ToS and circumventing actual gameplay for 8 years or so. These guys are a joke.
Glad to see Blizzard finally figured out how to finish them off.
I would say its pretty obvious that they don't really think like that, they are smart people.... They've been sued and are simply trying to create a positive image... That's what most people defending themselves in curt try to do... So yeah.... I'm pretty sure they don't really think they are the good guys, just trying to fool the judges and jury....
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Sad, lts hope Blizzard stop spies on ours PC after this... (probally not)
At least Blizzard does tell you in their Terms OF Service unlike some games and companies with 3rd party anti-cheats that are installed without asking first, I believe Blizzard still says they can monitor "Ram Usage" and basically obtain a "Task List" of what you are running this can be done through command prompt and is where they first look when looking for cheats.
Look at the cesspool of delusion on that forum. Just a big "Blizzard is evil" fan club, making all these rules, scanning their systems. Jesus, if they weren't trying to cheat to begin with, they'd have nothing to worry about.
- "It has always been our opinion that Honorbuddy provides no edge, except to empower players with less time than others to enjoy the game like anyone else." DURRR??
- "Fighting this war as long as we have is something no one has done before, and no one will do in the future."
I think in their minds this is a Rebels vs. Empire type of deal, and they were somehow fighting the good fight against ol' evil Blizz, even though they've been profiting off violating the ToS and circumventing actual gameplay for 8 years or so. These guys are a joke.
Glad to see Blizzard finally figured out how to finish them off.
I would say its pretty obvious that they don't really think like that, they are smart people.... They've been sued and are simply trying to create a positive image... That's what most people defending themselves in curt try to do... So yeah.... I'm pretty sure they don't really think they are the good guys, just trying to fool the judges and jury....
Whether or not they think like that for real is irrelevant. It's how they portrayed themselves, and how they were leading on their customers. Of course, I did enjoy how some of those people said they just paid and they're keeping the money and not giving refunds.
Sad, lts hope Blizzard stop spies on ours PC after this... (probally not)
Why would they if they know it works? They're not gonna be searching for your porn collection, or banking info, or whatever else you're paranoid they'll dig up on you.
Whats more intersting is that Demonbuddy remains up (Diablo 3 botter)
Why?
I'll tell you why, you bot on Diablo you're not taking money off Blizzard if you bot in WoW you can buy subscription with in game gold.
edit: you are the one keep saying all devs care is money so there you have it.
but Blizzard still makes money as someone has to buy the game subs that are sold for gold
That's what he's saying, since you can't sell your D3 gold for tokens it doesn't affect Blizz, therefore they aren't as aggressive with that. Legally speaking maybe they have to demonstrate financial loss from the program. Since botting in D3 doesn't directly affect the bottom line like it does with their RMT services they don't pursue action against that specific bot. It's not worth the effort.
Blizz would rather people buy WoW tokens with gold for their subscriptions, they make more money that way. $20 for the 1 month sub instead of $15 if the person subbed directly with real money.
Not necessarily. An ongoing subscription of $15 a month tends to be more reliable than one-off purchases of $20, and thus have more value on a per dollar basis.
Except that not everyone who subs with $ has an ongoing subscription, you can pay for a non-recurring 1 month sub with $15. In addition, token purchases are frequently more than one-off purchases. I've been subbed for months using only tokens. People in my guild have bought and redeemed 12 or more tokens at a time so that they're set for a year of game time.
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Also why sometimes a player running certain "development" tools on their PC get flagged and shut off as said tools are also used by hackers to cheat.
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Blizzard only cares about its IP because Activision tells them to, At this point, Blizzard has almost enough capital to buy themselves out of Activision's clutches, cause honestly, Blizzard doesn't ruin games, Activision ruins games.
Yes they do. The sub token has to be purchased. It's basically blizzards version of gold farming.
Doubt they care which way they subscribe. They already received the $20 for the token, regardless if it sells. So if said person subscribed with money instead of gold, they received an extra $15. You're making it seem like Blizzard only gets their $20 when the token sells. Theoretically, people could flood the auction house with tokens, and if everyone went and subbed with money instead, Blizzard would be ecstatic.
Imagine if MS decided that WoW was an unauthorized program and so couldn't be run under Windows!!!!!! Or StarOffice - using it is depriving them of MS Office revenue etc. etc.
Even the simplest mouse and keyboard are bots let alone the sophisticated ones
The reason "ToSs" came to court in the EU was because multiple very large multinational companies that spend millions on business software started to get very worried by the ToSs that had started to appear. They had started to become anti-competitive and companies were giving themselves "outs" in case they didn't work as intended. Our Payroll software doesn't talk to your HR software - well you are not using our HR software so not our problem.
Inputs and Outputs are not "protected" - which is why it took Activision Blizzard quite a lot of time to find a way to take HonorBuddy down. The simple argument "we have declared it to be a bot and our ToS says bots cannot be used" did not work.
And in the big scheme of things we should all be glad of that. Companies cannot circumvent laws by putting up signs. Which is what a lot of ToSs are. Which is why they don't fly.
Guess you never pvp against a 5bot ele shaman
Not necessarily. An ongoing subscription of $15 a month tends to be more reliable than one-off purchases of $20, and thus have more value on a per dollar basis.
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I read about Blizzard lying about the Intellectual Property thing if I am understanding correctly under appeal, that part is upsetting, like I am glad they won because I hate bots and cheaters too, but its a concern for me when a rich company can pull out the "Intellectual Property Claim" and try to use it every time because in a court people are supposed to be truthful.
Also I remember Blizzard going after people who create fan art claiming "Intellectual Property" too popular artists like Sakimichan because its considered Adult in nature, not like that stopped it but still really upsetting that a company would try to do this, but then we have insane copyright laws like these in this video.
"it's just good business"
Basically clicking away text windows ruins every MMO, try to have fun instead of rushing things. Without story and lore all there is left is a bunch of mechanics.
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- "It has always been our opinion that Honorbuddy provides no edge, except to empower players with less time than others to enjoy the game like anyone else." DURRR??
- "Fighting this war as long as we have is something no one has done before, and no one will do in the future."
I think in their minds this is a Rebels vs. Empire type of deal, and they were somehow fighting the good fight against ol' evil Blizz, even though they've been profiting off violating the ToS and circumventing actual gameplay for 8 years or so. These guys are a joke.
Glad to see Blizzard finally figured out how to finish them off.
Basically clicking away text windows ruins every MMO, try to have fun instead of rushing things. Without story and lore all there is left is a bunch of mechanics.
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