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Egos are flying all over the place.
..Cake..
As I said previously, the fan boys have nothing constructive to add either, it's pointless singling out one group.
The "positive" side that post here just copy/paste patch notes, screenshots, gifs and videos but there is virtually no discussion about the content of the things posted, certainly no criticism of anything proposed by CIG which is typical of whiteknighting fanboys. It really is like some crowdfunded marketing campaign where SC content is akin to "like" farming on a facebook feed.
Unless it's drama people don't get involved and then once the drama starts you can't shut them up
You mean like in every video the mention ...oh we have these new ships for sale ..lmao.Sure putting a lot more effort into completing ships for sale than completing the game.
Robert's has NEVER been good as a game producer,he has been good at missing dead lines and going over budget,so a guy i want to trust?NOPE.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Has that lawsuit ever been settled? Who won?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
So don't rise to the bait...
People are allowed to say that anyone spending $1000 on a janky tech demo 6 years in the making is dumb, that's their perogative. Just ignore them if you don't like it because from their perspective they are not incorrect.
Most of what goes on here is both "sides" arguing, we're all guilty of it and it takes opposing viewpoints to perpetrate these arguments, which is why I find it odd that there are so many finger-pointing posts from the whiteknighters, it's almost as if they want to paint themselves as being noble, innocent and the sole voices of reason.
I stated in my last post I would stop pushing back, you immediately pushed some more showing that not only didn't you get what I wrote, you're also unable to see your own contribution to the problem. Combined with a condescending attitude towards those that don't play by your rules doesn't show any moral high ground, not in your posts, not in the attitude you display. I would simply call you a bully.
And for the umpth time, SC forums aren't just for the fans, they are a place to discuss, for and against, like every single other forum.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
@rpmcmurphy - In a well moderated forum @orinori is completely correct that moderators will draw the distinction between constructive criticism and pure trolling. This is one of the reasons most games require you to actually have an account for their game to post in most sections of their forum.
They recognize that no productive discourse comes of allowing people to bash a game they don't play. But go to the "suggestions" section of any game ever and tell me there isn't a lot of criticism taking place.
The reason that doesn't take place here is because there is such a high quantity of trolls and it's polarizing. If we were to simply ignore the trolls, there is still enough of you here we'd be constantly subjected to taunts while trying to carry on any form of meaningful conversation. MMORPG.com has the highest ratio trolls to legitimate users I have seen on any forum ever, and the Star Citizen section is the worst section of these boards in terms of that ratio.
Understand that when you are saying:
"People are allowed to say that anyone spending $1000 on a janky tech demo 6 years in the making is dumb, that's their perogative. Just ignore them if you don't like it because from their perspective they are not incorrect."
What you are actually saying is:
"People have a right to come into an area about a product you enjoy, and attack you for enjoying that product. You should just sit there and say nothing about it or you're just as bad as us!"
If it's their prerogative to do that, then it's certainly my right to say that they, and anyone defending them, are asshats.
When 50% or more of the people in the area for that product are people attacking the product (Probably because most people have gotten sick of it and use the RSI forums now) all productive discussion is going to shut down.
― George Carlin
And obviously people who talk crap about them are "stooping to their level" right?
Yet we are talking gaming, games in development, releasing, going strong, closes doors. Gamers have been giving opinions about our games for years. I am a little surprised how much push back (or attacks if you like) is given with any opinion with SC unless it is a positive opinion. Also, right after a free weekend everyone should be expecting a lot of feed back, good and bad.
― George Carlin
And wrong again. I can most definitely see thee behavior, I just don't think you are any better. I couldn't care less about their side, I couldn't care less about yours. The reason I keep responding to you is because you seem to have a very misguided sense of superiority and authority to decide what goes and what doesn't. It amuses and annoys me equally.
I am curious to what has happened between CIG and Crytek, that was why I came here, let me quote myself from page 35:
But hey, it is SC, everybody will do their little song and dance and nothing and no one will change. I am very curious about the lawsuit and what is going to happen, not because I want a side to win or lose but because I want to know what has actually happened, isn't that infinitely more interesting?
What I got was two groups slinging mud back and forth and I quoted you as an obvious example, still condemning both sides.
You concluding that I have picked a side because I don't agree with how you see and handle things is laughable at best. Neither the haters or the fanboys came at me, just you mate. When are you going to see you are just as much part of the problem? Hell, you are having this whole back and forth with someone who actually wants SC to succeed and will definitely buy it, talk about desired narrative...
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
One would also expect them to draw the line against shilling and spamvertising but that hasn't happened so it balances out what you feel is the trolling?
The way I see things is that CIG have brought a lot of criticism on themselves, there is a whole host of things they have said and done which justifies a lot of the complaining. The whiteknights who try to defend CIG's honour expose themselves to being the butts of jokes because of how absurdly obvious the wrongs are.
>What you are actually saying is:
>"People have a right to come into an area about a product you enjoy, and attack you for enjoying >that product. You should just sit there and say nothing about it or you're just as bad as us!"
No, what I am saying is that people should not act surprised if people laugh at them for spending 16.6x the amount of a AAA game on a pre-purchase which is now 6 years in the making and woefully behind schedule while being one of the most poorly performing, content shy alphas I have ever seen especially when bearing in mind the $180 million price tag, the 500 person team which has had numerous members paraded around as a kind of who's who in game development.
Context of actions absolutely matters, and is the most important factor in determining the morality of an action. So I say that a world view that doesn't weigh context of actions displays poor thinking skills because I truly believe that it does.
Drawing that back to the much less extreme issue of the situation at hand to say people who come into an area that people use to discuss something they enjoy, attack them for enjoying that thing, is a much less moral action than attacking someone who is attacking you for enjoying and supporting something they don't.
Context matters.
The death penalty is not a topic that I think is wise discussing here. Let me just say that I think that all lives matter and that this is a very clear example of 'stooping to their level.' I can in no way support that.
Well, that was enlightening, next time lets start right at the discussing part, it would save a lot of hassle.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
And honestly most WoW clones are little better. And 90% of MMOs are WoW clones. So what's that say about your average MMO player?
That's my honest opinion.
Should I go drop it on the WoW subsection? If no, then why not? The SWTOR section because everything I said applies to SWTOR?
Maybe because it's inflammatory and completely unproductive. All it would do is cause fights, and no productive discussion would come from it. I would be a troll for posting it there no matter how true I feel it is.
Sidenote: That's also the reason I support Star Citizen. Heavy levels of ship customization and sandbox content do require thought. The gameplay actually does present a challenge, and with trade and piracy already in there is the opportunity for meaningful PvP. And the disparity in stats based on having a more expensive ship is far lower than the disparity found in any other persistent world game out there.
Sure not everything is perfect but name a single game with skill based gameplay, heavy customization options, low stat disparity, and meaningful PvP that is. Maybe I'm a bit more forgiving because I have different game preferences.