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So what's your issue? What makes you unhappy and feel low in real life?
What I dislike about this conversation is something I said earlier, that drama requires both sides participating. Choosing to point fingers at one side is in itself inflammatory and counter-productive, it causes fights.
There were extremely vigilant pro-SC posters on these forums who would argue and troll any criticism, they were central in turning threads into huge off-topic threadnaughts, clearly being inflammatory and counter-productive themselves. Thankfully a lot of that has stopped and the drama has died down quite considerably.
If a WoW topic pops up in the feed or someone writes an article about WoW I generally ignore it because I know I hate that game, short of a complete overhaul I will never enjoy that game, so why would I go there to troll people who like it?
This constant assertion that people who hate this game and people who love this game have equally legitimate reasons to be here is crap, and I refuse to acknowledge it's merits. Largely because I perfectly understand the other side of the argument.
I hate about 90% of the games talked about in these forums, so I don't use 90% of the forum subsections. I float between sections on games that I have at least some level of interest in. I am already doing what I feel the trolls in this section should be doing as well. I could easily be trolling the sections of the games most of them probably enjoy but am not, so in terms of the golden rule of "treat other's as you would like to be treated" I am already affording them the respect they refuse to afford us. But if they want to come here and start a fight I will fight back and I will do it like an arrogant prick who occupies the moral highground, because I do.
I'll give you one idea though. Maybe I just enjoy challenging myself and hate how people who equate anyone who doesn't enjoy leveling as "lazy" simply because we don't prefer doing content a trained ape could do for thousands of hours. And it's made me a bit bitter how the level grinders have destroyed this entire genre.
Maybe listening to people brag about their levels and act like it makes them someone has turned me off to level grinders in the same way many PVEers hate PVPers.
EDIT- additionally, your using subforum to claim moral superiority rings hollow. Nobody gives a shit what subforum a thread is posted in. I don't even browse these forums by forum section, I solely load the recent discussions. Most of the time, I don't even know what section these threads are in. So seriously man, you're offbase here.
But how about this:
https://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/comment/7318867/#Comment_7318867
Specifically posting content bashing a game in it's own subforum. Sure the express intent of that topic isn't to start a fight.
No supporters will be turned off by that. It's literally one of those situations where someone is finding any excuse to attack their favorite game they love to hate. On the troll level it's about on a par with when that one guy on the SOTA forums was like "Stop taking old people's retirement money!!!" because one of the SOTA posters said they spend retirement funds on the game.
Nobody cares. The obvious intent is to bash Star Citizen because they want a fight.
This was taken in August 2016, but it was kept up through at least November 2016. There is zero chance that they didn't know that Squadron 42 wasn't coming out in 2016. They continued to take donations/pledges/sales through this page. We are getting close to mid way through 2018. I remember when DKLond was talking mid 2017 release. In December 2017, Erillion was talking June 2018 of Squadron 42. The amount of bullshit that is believed by the fans is unprecedented for a project of this size. It deserves to be criticized for its failing up till this point in my opinion and watching someone call everyone a troll that doesn't like their business practices is more than disingenuous, it's blind and stupid to the realities of the project.
Also poor argument. People are starving in the world and we are arguing about a video game. Yes we are because this is a video game forum about a videogame. Let’s shut down the industry because the money can be better spent feeding the world right?
Anyone who pays into a kickstarter not realizing and that there is a chance they will be left with no money and no game is a complete tool and deserves everything they get. You should NEVER pay in expecting a refund, if I was CIG I would tell them to take it to the grey market or shove it up their ass. However I'm still fairly sure what they'll get will be a pretty fun game in a couple years.
No no no no no. It was Chris Roberts who said people are allowed to seek a refund, does that make him an idiot for enabling your so-called idiots?
There are also plenty of people seeking refunds who were not part of the kickstarter, people who "answered the call" and bought into the game under the impression that SQ42 would be releasing in 2015/2016/2017 or that SC was much further along based on the not-a-demo shown at any one of the numerous conventions etc.
Consumer law in various parts of the world also allows people to seek refunds for goods not delivered in an anticpated timeframe.
I buy everything with the knowledge that I can expect a refund, it's why there has been so much effort to protect customer's rights online. The only time I would not expect a refund is shady second hand car dealers or goods traded in the pub and things of that nature.
However, YOU ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT DELIVERY AS OF SUCH DATE IS !!!! "({NOT})"!!!! A FIRM PROMISE AND MAY BE EXTENDED BY RSI SINCE UNFORESEEN EVENTS MAY EXTEND THE DEVELOPMENT AND/OR PRODUCTION TIME.
The first paragraph of the ToS.
All that impulse bought and did not heed this are at fault not CIG.
Leave it to ravenous, impatient, impulsive "gamers" to spend irresponsibly, and then turn around and blame any one but themselves.
This same song and dance has played out ever since kickstarter and crowdfunding has been around.
To bad, forced internet vacations have yet to take effect.
I witnessed this insane herd movement over the net in '13-'14 of 'let's make this too big to fail'; you'd see signatures like "I trust Chris Roberts" and people posting stuff like "don't underestimate the power of faith".
You reap what you sow.
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar
Authored 139 missions in Vendetta Online and 6 tracks in Distance
Have fun
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar
Authored 139 missions in Vendetta Online and 6 tracks in Distance
Have fun
https://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php
Better game, more active community, and you can acquire downloads of it for free these days.
Now back on the subject of Star Citizen.
"It was Chris Roberts who said people are allowed to seek a refund, does that make him an idiot for enabling your so-called idiots?"
The man is human, and that seems like a stupid decision to me. As was pointed out he said in the TOS that delays can happen.
If they want their money back they can hawk that crap to other players like any intelligent crowdfunding backer would do. If I was able to hawk my Pathfinder Online packages at full price after the disaster that game called early release I can't imagine you wouldn't be able to hawk your SC ships. Especially when I've been able to hawk a few for 4 times what I paid for them.
A large part of seeking a refund from CIG is to show their displeasure in the progress and/or management of the game, there's no need to use some third party market.
If your Amazon purchase wasn't up to scratch would you sell it on EBay instead of getting a refund from Amazon? I know I wouldn't.