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Play Nice Policies Help Reduce Player Toxicity - Saga of Lucimia - MMORPG.com

Saga of Lucimia News - The latest Mondays in MMORPGs has been published on the Saga of Lucimia site. Today's covers a hot topic in gaming today: Toxicity in gaming. One of the ways many MMOs have dealt with the issue is through "play nice" policies that are generally thought to be common sense. SoL will be enforcing play nice at launch with a zero tolerance policy for toxic players.

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Forgrimm

Good to hear. More publishers/developers should be doing this, even though it's tougher to police as player count increases.

Renfail

Forgrimm said:

Good to hear. More publishers/developers should be doing this, even though it's tougher to police as player count increases.

Tougher, but not impossible. The key is being willing to put economic resources into it instead of only focusing on net profits, which is typically when you are satisfying the needs of the investors ahead of the playerbase. Since we don't have any investors with a stake in our company, and we own 100% of our own pie, it allows us the flexibility to focus on things that really matter, like community.

Junglecharly

Hey Saga of Lucimia, listen up here. Yo momma is so fat she got baptized at Sea World.

Renfail

Junglecharly said:

Hey Saga of Lucimia, listen up here. Yo momma is so fat she got baptized at Sea World.

Strike one     

Phry

There is always a certain amount of 'toxicity' though you can usually reduce it a fair bit by just not having any PVP in the game, not sure thats really a cure though as toxicity is pretty much a corollary of popularity.

Renfail

Phry said:

There is always a certain amount of 'toxicity' though you can usually reduce it a fair bit by just not having any PVP in the game, not sure thats really a cure though as toxicity is pretty much a corollary of popularity.

Which is exactly one of the reasons we said from day one that we were a PvE-only game, to weed that element out (the PvP mentality). 

From here, it's just about reminding people that "The essence of a role-playing game is that it is a group, cooperative experience." -Gary Gygax

Amathe

Junglecharly said:

Hey Saga of Lucimia, listen up here. Yo momma is so fat she got baptized at Sea World.

Met your mama at the Macy's Day Parade. She was wearing ropes.

* Credit Rodney Dangerfield.

But on topic, it seems like a good, if not expensive, policy to have.

Renfail

Amathe said:

But on topic, it seems like a good, if not expensive, policy to have.

Some costs are worth it. 

tomek2626

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cheyane

^^^ This was after an edit ?

Octagon7711

I find this refreshing and hope it works out great. One of the reasons I don't PvP much is because some players go way overboard with PvP in gaming and take it to a level of personal insults.

Albatroes

The day one bans will probably be more than Destiny 2 on pc during launch. Heck, maybe they'll be as good as Bungie and ban them before they even logged into the game once.

Renfail

Octagon7711 said:

I find this refreshing and hope it works out great. One of the reasons I don't PvP much is because some players go way overboard with PvP in gaming and take it to a level of personal insults.

Absolutely. It's also why I don't play PvP, and why we chose to make a PvE-only game. 

Sovrath

Zegaloth said:

Renfail said:

Phry said:

There is always a certain amount of 'toxicity' though you can usually reduce it a fair bit by just not having any PVP in the game, not sure thats really a cure though as toxicity is pretty much a corollary of popularity.

Which is exactly one of the reasons we said from day one that we were a PvE-only game, to weed that element out (the PvP mentality). 

From here, it's just about reminding people that "The essence of a role-playing game is that it is a group, cooperative experience." -Gary Gygax

Shortly after Gary wrote this quote he ran his players through the Tomb of Horrors, and made his players cry.

They should focus on a player based system for moderating toxicity, which would be more cost effective, and allows players the agency to police themselves, and with no PvP it will be easier to attain than hiring moderators, or developing systems that would seek out toxic players.

It depends on what those systems are. I can easily see those being abused because some player dislikes another (there are some really demented players out there) and wants to rally his/her friends to punish them.

Renfail

Xodic said:

Kind of difficult to role-play the bad guy when you're limited to playing nice.

I think I'll name my character Genuine Prison-Pocket.

Roleplaying is one thing. Using "roleplay" as an excuse to be disruptive is another. 

Also, good luck with the second: https://sagaoflucimia.com/mondays-in-mmorpgs-naming-policies

Renfail

Xodic said:

Renfail said:

Xodic said:

Kind of difficult to role-play the bad guy when you're limited to playing nice.



I think I'll name my character Genuine Prison-Pocket.

Roleplaying is one thing. Using "roleplay" as an excuse to be disruptive is another. 

Also, good luck with the second: https://sagaoflucimia.com/mondays-in-mmorpgs-naming-policies

So how are you going to consistently differentiate the two?

The play nice policy. 

Roleplaying for fun (in a tavern setting, using speech patterns in /say, and so on) with the consent of the other players around you is one thing.

Being disruptive of another person/group/guild by doing things like kill stealing or camp stealing (oh but my character is EVIL so that's what he would do /har har har) would be a bannable offense. 

Honestly, it's pretty simple. Common sense stuff. If it ruins someone else's fun simply because you want to be disruptive, you'll face consequences. 

Play nice, or get banned. It's really that simple.

Sovrath

Xodic said:

Renfail said:

Xodic said:

Kind of difficult to role-play the bad guy when you're limited to playing nice.



I think I'll name my character Genuine Prison-Pocket.

Roleplaying is one thing. Using "roleplay" as an excuse to be disruptive is another. 

Also, good luck with the second: https://sagaoflucimia.com/mondays-in-mmorpgs-naming-policies

So how are you going to consistently differentiate the two?

I would say, at least off the bat, is that a roleplayer is "playing" and should recognize when it's time to move on to another "role playing experience". At least that would be the decent thing to do.

But a person who doesn't let up, who continually picks on an individual? Kind of a no brainer.

I remember a lineage 2 pvp bout between two alliances. Ours won and it was a lot of fun.

We got to talking with some of the other players from the others side, really nice people and we eventually rezzed them and sent them on their way.

One of the people on our side was incensed that we did that, called us carebear. As if he couldn't differentiate between us playing a game and "A real combative experience where our very way of life was on the line".

The same can be applied to this situation.

MadFrenchie

Xodic said:

Renfail said:

Xodic said:

Kind of difficult to role-play the bad guy when you're limited to playing nice.





I think I'll name my character Genuine Prison-Pocket.

Roleplaying is one thing. Using "roleplay" as an excuse to be disruptive is another. 

Also, good luck with the second: https://sagaoflucimia.com/mondays-in-mmorpgs-naming-policies

So how are you going to consistently differentiate the two?

It's fairly easy in many instances. Training mobs, for instance, isn't something that would be reasonably explained away by "I'm Roleplaying a bad guy!"

berlight

The role playing game that takes the role play out of role play, enforcing you to role play the role play they want.
*Claps*

MadFrenchie

berlight said:

The role playing game that takes the role play out of role play, enforcing you to role play the role play they want.
*Claps*

Don't blame the devs, blame the folks who abused such wide-open systems in the past to the detriment of the developers, publishers, and players around them.

Renfail

MadFrenchie said:

Xodic said:

Renfail said:

Xodic said:

Kind of difficult to role-play the bad guy when you're limited to playing nice.





I think I'll name my character Genuine Prison-Pocket.

Roleplaying is one thing. Using "roleplay" as an excuse to be disruptive is another. 

Also, good luck with the second: https://sagaoflucimia.com/mondays-in-mmorpgs-naming-policies

So how are you going to consistently differentiate the two?

It's fairly easy in many instances. Training mobs, for instance, isn't something that would be reasonably explained away by "I'm Roleplaying a bad guy!"

Yep. As I mentioned earlier, it's very easy to distinguish. Roleplaying for fun (in a tavern setting, using speech patterns in /say, and so on) with the consent of the other players around you is one thing. 

Being disruptive of another person/group/guild by doing things like kill stealing or camp stealing (oh but my character is EVIL so that's what he would do /har har har) would be a bannable offense. 

SEANMCAD

Renfail said:

MadFrenchie said:

Xodic said:

Renfail said:

Xodic said:

Kind of difficult to role-play the bad guy when you're limited to playing nice.





I think I'll name my character Genuine Prison-Pocket.

Roleplaying is one thing. Using "roleplay" as an excuse to be disruptive is another. 

Also, good luck with the second: https://sagaoflucimia.com/mondays-in-mmorpgs-naming-policies

So how are you going to consistently differentiate the two?

It's fairly easy in many instances. Training mobs, for instance, isn't something that would be reasonably explained away by "I'm Roleplaying a bad guy!"

Yep. As I mentioned earlier, it's very easy to distinguish. Roleplaying for fun (in a tavern setting, using speech patterns in /say, and so on) with the consent of the other players around you is one thing. 

Being disruptive of another person/group/guild by doing things like kill stealing or camp stealing (oh but my character is EVIL so that's what he would do /har har har) would be a bannable offense. 

which is fine.

we have enough of that anyway, plenty of opportunities elsewhere.
The Dicks of the world can create a group to get fair treatment and complain about how they are being treated somewhere else

berlight

MadFrenchie said:

berlight said:

The role playing game that takes the role play out of role play, enforcing you to role play the role play they want.

*Claps*

Don't blame the devs, blame the folks who abused such wide-open systems in the past to the detriment of the developers, publishers, and players around them.

It should be called Saga of the Carebears. The perfect game for whiners and emos. I would PK their ass, steal their gear and spit on their corpses. Uber gay material right there. I miss the old games ffs

Renfail

berlight said:

MadFrenchie said:

berlight said:

The role playing game that takes the role play out of role play, enforcing you to role play the role play they want.

*Claps*

Don't blame the devs, blame the folks who abused such wide-open systems in the past to the detriment of the developers, publishers, and players around them.

It should be called Saga of the Carebears. The perfect game for whiners and emos. I would PK their ass, steal their gear and spit on their corpses. Uber gay material right there. I miss the old games ffs

We proudly bear the title Saga of the Carebears. More than happy to be the game that caters to community-based, cooperative gameplay. 

"The essence of a role-playing game is that it is a group, cooperative experience." - Gary Gygax

nolic1

All I will say is it sounds good but good luck making it work.

"The essence of a role-playing game is that it is a group, cooperative experience." - Gary Gygax

Such a great quote but remember he was referring to table top D&D and not an online mmorpg game and that in itself is a completely different game style.