Funny how Blizzard has been asked for Vanilla servers for years, yet Trion beat them :P
Funny how Rift could not support at healthy population and had to go F2P with microtranasactions... Oh wait.. It was not funny... Just sad.
It has been said for years that Blizzard would look at classic servers only once WoW was in it´s sunset... And by and large... Wow is in that place now.. lo an behold.. classic servers. =P
WoW did went from 12 mil players down to under 3 mil forget? lol. Just saying no mmo will keep growing, and stay like that. It's just ends slowly losing players over time. Population is healthy just not super money maker like wow.
3 Millions in EU maybe.
At this hour , (EU) 5:40 +1 GMT , in the morning, there are 4 servers High , 14 Medium & the rest Low. That is not impressive , that is better then impressive on an Wednesday night ( Tuesday morning ).
I would say there are still around 6-7 mil active accounts as we speak and we are at the very late end of the last expansion.
Blizzard lost a lot players each expansion, and it does bring in new blood any expansion does but there are not at the numbers they was years ago. Blizzard stop reporting their number not to long ago due to very low numbers. Any MMO will never bring back the numbers they had before at it's peak. Don't forget very late end of the last expansion of the lich king was 12 mil or so.
What Rift is doing may or may not bring in new blood with this action. Hell the B2P was not a great idea. Is not new content, and on the live stream they was saying people want this. I am thinking what people? The old raiders?, the Rift team? or the investors who knows that part.
Legion expansion saw WoW number almost back on-track with Lich King expansion. You said WoW has 3 mil subs as of now and that is a very weak statement.
About Rift, I don't care why they do this Prime Server. Trion has lost the "decent company award" right after they launched ArcheAge. Trion as a company is no longer Trion when they launched Rift. And for that , they have and they will pay the price.
Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy? Blizzard Boss: Making gamers happy is not my concern, making money.. yes!
Funny how Blizzard has been asked for Vanilla servers for years, yet Trion beat them :P
Funny how Rift could not support at healthy population and had to go F2P with microtranasactions... Oh wait.. It was not funny... Just sad.
It has been said for years that Blizzard would look at classic servers only once WoW was in it´s sunset... And by and large... Wow is in that place now.. lo an behold.. classic servers. =P
WoW did went from 12 mil players down to under 3 mil forget? lol. Just saying no mmo will keep growing, and stay like that. It's just ends slowly losing players over time. Population is healthy just not super money maker like wow.
3 Millions in EU maybe.
At this hour , (EU) 5:40 +1 GMT , in the morning, there are 4 servers High , 14 Medium & the rest Low. That is not impressive , that is better then impressive on an Wednesday night ( Tuesday morning ).
I would say there are still around 6-7 mil active accounts as we speak and we are at the very late end of the last expansion.
Blizzard lost a lot players each expansion, and it does bring in new blood any expansion does but there are not at the numbers they was years ago. Blizzard stop reporting their number not to long ago due to very low numbers. Any MMO will never bring back the numbers they had before at it's peak. Don't forget very late end of the last expansion of the lich king was 12 mil or so.
What Rift is doing may or may not bring in new blood with this action. Hell the B2P was not a great idea. Is not new content, and on the live stream they was saying people want this. I am thinking what people? The old raiders?, the Rift team? or the investors who knows that part.
Legion expansion saw WoW number almost back on-track with Lich King expansion. You said WoW has 3 mil subs as of now and that is a very weak statement.
About Rift, I don't care why they do this Prime Server. Trion has lost the "decent company award" right after they launched ArcheAge. Trion as a company is no longer Trion when they launched Rift. And for that , they have and they will pay the price.
With out real number to back us up is always will be weak statements, I do agree my part was a very weak systement on the 3 mil and under. It's not weak they did lose tons of players. They're people out there do try to see where Blizzard WoW sub are out no one really haves the hard numbers.
The funny part of Trion. People see Trion they run away, they see EA throw more money at them, even how bad the burn people so so many times. Not everyone but a lot do.
Yeah ArcheAge what killed a lot people, and a lot was not even Trion part they did hold the bag of blame a lot on it. When people forget XLgame see money put more p2w stuff!. Even seen video ArcheAge from a korea player fool people thinking was Trion it did work as people shared it all around. Don't get me wrong there is no good guy Trion they as greedy too. I know Trion lied, got hacked with poor security on bot guesting people password. Then mass amount server problem still even this day.
Funny how Blizzard has been asked for Vanilla servers for years, yet Trion beat them :P
Funny how Rift could not support at healthy population and had to go F2P with microtranasactions... Oh wait.. It was not funny... Just sad.
It has been said for years that Blizzard would look at classic servers only once WoW was in it´s sunset... And by and large... Wow is in that place now.. lo an behold.. classic servers. =P
WoW did went from 12 mil players down to under 3 mil forget? lol. Just saying no mmo will keep growing, and stay like that. It's just ends slowly losing players over time. Population is healthy just not super money maker like wow.
3 Millions in EU maybe.
At this hour , (EU) 5:40 +1 GMT , in the morning, there are 4 servers High , 14 Medium & the rest Low. That is not impressive , that is better then impressive on an Wednesday night ( Tuesday morning ).
I would say there are still around 6-7 mil active accounts as we speak and we are at the very late end of the last expansion.
Blizzard lost a lot players each expansion, and it does bring in new blood any expansion does but there are not at the numbers they was years ago. Blizzard stop reporting their number not to long ago due to very low numbers. Any MMO will never bring back the numbers they had before at it's peak. Don't forget very late end of the last expansion of the lich king was 12 mil or so.
What Rift is doing may or may not bring in new blood with this action. Hell the B2P was not a great idea. Is new new content on the live stream they was saying people want this. I am thinking what people? The old raiders?, the Rift team? or the investors who knows that part.
"Blizzard neither confirmed nor denied whether 10.1 million is the actual
subscriber number at the moment but simply reiterated that it’s not
planning to provide subscriber numbers any more."
Blizzard does not give out the numbers, I did check out where they got the info was from a forum post saying interview with Tom Chilton, and with a Polish gaming magazine Pixel asking question. I love the form post saying ( World of Warcraft @ 10.1 million subscribers [Up: Blizzard: This is a lie] ). Not taking away Blizzard Legion did good for them to bring a lot more people back to the game with out real sub from Blizzard. So it's not legit info.
While Blizzard won’t talk specifics on subscriber numbers, it did share some impressive stats last month to boast about Legion’s launch. At the time, Blizzard said the expansion had sold 3.3 million copies by launch day, tying it with the franchise record set by 2010’s Catacylsm expansion. The company also said that it had reached a number of concurrent users logged on that it had not seen since the Cataclysm days.
It was around the time of Cataclysm’s release that World of Warcraft hit its all-time high of over 12 million subscribers, so in that sense it’s not unbelievable that the game could be back above 10 million.
Funny how Blizzard has been asked for Vanilla servers for years, yet Trion beat them :P
Funny how Rift could not support at healthy population and had to go F2P with microtranasactions... Oh wait.. It was not funny... Just sad.
It has been said for years that Blizzard would look at classic servers only once WoW was in it´s sunset... And by and large... Wow is in that place now.. lo an behold.. classic servers. =P
WoW did went from 12 mil players down to under 3 mil forget? lol. Just saying no mmo will keep growing, and stay like that. It's just ends slowly losing players over time. Population is healthy just not super money maker like wow.
3 Millions in EU maybe.
At this hour , (EU) 5:40 +1 GMT , in the morning, there are 4 servers High , 14 Medium & the rest Low. That is not impressive , that is better then impressive on an Wednesday night ( Tuesday morning ).
I would say there are still around 6-7 mil active accounts as we speak and we are at the very late end of the last expansion.
Blizzard lost a lot players each expansion, and it does bring in new blood any expansion does but there are not at the numbers they was years ago. Blizzard stop reporting their number not to long ago due to very low numbers. Any MMO will never bring back the numbers they had before at it's peak. Don't forget very late end of the last expansion of the lich king was 12 mil or so.
What Rift is doing may or may not bring in new blood with this action. Hell the B2P was not a great idea. Is new new content on the live stream they was saying people want this. I am thinking what people? The old raiders?, the Rift team? or the investors who knows that part.
"Blizzard neither confirmed nor denied whether 10.1 million is the actual
subscriber number at the moment but simply reiterated that it’s not
planning to provide subscriber numbers any more."
Blizzard does not give out the numbers, I did check out where they got the info was from a forum post saying interview with Tom Chilton, and with a Polish gaming magazine Pixel asking question. I love the form post saying ( World of Warcraft @ 10.1 million subscribers [Up: Blizzard: This is a lie] ). Not taking away Blizzard Legion did good for them to bring a lot more people back to the game with out real sub from Blizzard. So it's not legit info.
While Blizzard won’t talk specifics on subscriber numbers, it did share some impressive stats last month to boast about Legion’s launch. At the time, Blizzard said the expansion had sold 3.3 million copies by launch day, tying it with the franchise record set by 2010’s Catacylsm expansion. The company also said that it had reached a number of concurrent users logged on that it had not seen since the Cataclysm days.
It was around the time of Cataclysm’s release that World of Warcraft hit its all-time high of over 12 million subscribers, so in that sense it’s not unbelievable that the game could be back above 10 million.
I won't trust PR to much is the Trion same way. Hype the game even more think people we have more number then before. Not taking away the fire from Blizzard Legion did well for them on launch day but there is a reason they won't show sub numbers can be good reason not evil doing. I'm trying to find new source from your link polygon don't seem to have them.
that sense it’s not unbelievable that the game could be back above 10 million.
I won't trust PR to much is the Trion same way. Hype the game even more think people we have more number then before. Not taking away the fire from Blizzard Legion did well for them on launch day but there is a reason they won't show sub numbers can be good reason not evil doing. I'm trying to find new source from your link polygon don't seem to have them.
that sense it’s not unbelievable that the game could be back above 10 million.
I won't trust PR to much is the Trion same way. Hype the game even more think people we have more number then before. Not taking away the fire from Blizzard Legion did well for them on launch day but there is a reason they won't show sub numbers can be good reason not evil doing. I'm trying to find new source from your link polygon don't seem to have them.
Anyways what im trying to say it has lost alot of players wod but also gained with legion. And I hope also with BFA. When I tried to pre order:
I still don't see if they gain the players base back from the good old day or even close with out numbers. It's hard for people as they don't stay around after 3 months they drop off. I looked in to BFA not sure I would pick it up or not.
1. They will keep the server for more than a year 2. If there is enough population - they will keep it indefinetely
Be a long Shot to see a enough people to support a sub server indefinetely. Allods Online try this before with a sub server free from p2w, and people end up going to the free to play side just much easy to deal with even if it's so p2w then paying a sub fee. Don't mean can't be done it's just so many people got burn to trust Trion even if was pure sub base no cash shop.
Let see how well Rift Prime does. I think endgame will be a big problem due to lack finding people willing to raid in filling the roles they need. Thats needs to be over come with fresh blood to keep coming in the the Prime server.
I've all but removed the game from my PC. Every time I've tried going back to the game I find that the skill sets have be redesigned and that I have to choose yet again another set of skills. I've gotten tired of having to learn how the play the same avatar I've always played because it's no longer the skilled avatar I started with.
"I used to think the worst thing in life was to be all alone. It's not. The worst thing in life is to end up with people who make you feel all alone." Robin Williams
Then there's no need to shut down the server. It's unnecessary.
Yeah I wonder what their reasoning is. Sometimes developers just follow along and do what other products did without thinking it through much. So are they doing this limited time progression server simply because "that's how *insert other game here* did it", or do they really think there's a good reason to shut it down?
Are there actually players out there that think to themselves: "I wish I could spend a year working on a character and becoming part of a community, only to have it closed down on me."
I mean for people that don't care if they can only play it for a year, they can leave any time they want to play on another server. The people that want to stay though because they've spent a year making friends, etc etc... How do they benefit? Is the idea behind this only for PvP players? I mean I guess I can imagine them wanting there to be a fresh starting point with a mad race to an artificial stopping point where they're number whatever.
Trion is struggling so wil try different options to grab money lost respect for them and their games when turned Rift to a free to play and later on with their publishing Archeage.
Was excited because I loved Rift when it was first released then I remembered that Trion sucks as a company now so wont touch this with a 10 foot pole.
I think Trion does great job as a company, they just suck running archage. Rift is an aamzing game and support has always been great for Rift.
End of Nations, Devilian and Defiance would like a word with you
So games that didn't interest me should formulate my opinion on my experience with Rift. please go take a college course in Logic 101, k thanks.
no it should formulate your opinion on "they just suck running archeage" and there ability to do a "great job as a company".
I passed logic 101....basic syllogism
the logical validity of an argument is a function of its internal consistencies, not the true value of its premises.
you've made an argument with inconsistent premises resulting in a false conclusion.
premise: "rift is an amazing game and support has always been great for Rift" premise: "They just suck running archeage" conclusion: "trion does a great job as a company"
while both premises are true statements when compared to your conclusion the 2nd premise shows an inconsistency.
A true conclusion would read something like "trion does a great job as a company at most 50% of the time"
Also remember that this isn't including other trion games simply because they weren't part of your original argument.
I didn't even need to apply the additional data to prove that your conclusion was illogical sir.
I wonder how many people here have played Rift for more than a year straight without interruption. I wonder how many accounts even play a single MMO dedicated for a year straight. I don't mean you login every once in a while to dink around, but are playing and progressing, say 8 hours a week or more.
I can see caring that you get to keep your character and progress, but not if the server name changes once you've moved on. Is anyone here complaining about that even playing Rift right now, full time?
if POE counts as an MMO than you can put at least one name of that list. . .
I wonder how many people here have played Rift for more than a year straight without interruption. I wonder how many accounts even play a single MMO dedicated for a year straight. I don't mean you login every once in a while to dink around, but are playing and progressing, say 8 hours a week or more.
I can see caring that you get to keep your character and progress, but not if the server name changes once you've moved on. Is anyone here complaining about that even playing Rift right now, full time?
I played Rift for just over 2 years straight , Left just a couple months after F2P ... Trion fucked that game up with there monetization ..... Still play UO after 20 years ... Played EQ2 for 3-4 years straight ... and others ..
I would guess that a large portion of "This" community has played "X" game over a year straight, I realize the data does not back that up off of the genre as a whole , but This comunity is a bit Niche and mostly comprised of Vet players ..
I for one wont touch this Rift server unless they are going to keep it up .. But burnt by Trion to many times .. in Rift .. in Archeage... in Defiance ........ there track record is terrible when it come to giving a fuck about there community .............. They DOnt ... There history proves that ,they have frequently lied ,deceived , baitnswitch .. etc and it does not matter to me any longer what any of there schills or community manager say when spreading there propaganda ... They cant be trusted ..
I wonder how many people here have played Rift for more than a year straight without interruption. I wonder how many accounts even play a single MMO dedicated for a year straight. I don't mean you login every once in a while to dink around, but are playing and progressing, say 8 hours a week or more.
I can see caring that you get to keep your character and progress, but not if the server name changes once you've moved on. Is anyone here complaining about that even playing Rift right now, full time?
No, because the current F2P system turned me off to it. If the end result of my time on the progression server is a dump back to the same monetization schemes I quit before because I didn't enjoy them, I don't have any interest in wasting my time developing a character in the first place.
I still think this is such an amazing idea. Kudos to Trion for seeing the need and filling it.
What am I missing here?
Reading more than the first comment perhaps? Start from this end backwards that was a few hours ago, nothing is set in stone yet with this server because it's going to depend on population.
And, as you've seen here, making it temporary ensures the net has just narrowed on who might play it. Self-fulfilling prophecies ahoy!
I wonder how many people here have played Rift for more than a year straight without interruption. I wonder how many accounts even play a single MMO dedicated for a year straight. I don't mean you login every once in a while to dink around, but are playing and progressing, say 8 hours a week or more.
I can see caring that you get to keep your character and progress, but not if the server name changes once you've moved on. Is anyone here complaining about that even playing Rift right now, full time?
No, because the current F2P system turned me off to it. If the end result of my time on the progression server is a dump back to the same monetization schemes I quit before because I didn't enjoy them, I don't have any interest in wasting my time developing a character in the first place.
It's a bit of a stretch to expect a revenue shift from F2P to P2P out of a time limited event server.
Trion has always been one to make changes based on feedback from their players. They have a lot of metrics measurements and pay attention to how people play, what they participate in, and how they pay. The game has constantly undergone changes since the first few months.
My point about the sub time is that if they switch revenue models for this server how long are people really going to play it and stay subbed? I paid a sub for almost 3 years straight but most people in my guild didn't play that long.
Are you telling me that with sub + cash shop + content unlocks you'll commit to staying subscribed on it for over a year if Trion committed to keeping it open indefinitely while population supports it?
If the content lasts, a year isn't a stretch. I still play Pillars of Eternity periodically, and I know exactly what content I'll be doing when I load it up.
But if the end of the server places my character back on the servers I originally left, why would I even spend time doing so? Rift certainly isn't the only sub option, and my other options (currently, WoW, as you know) have no plans on shifting to a F2P option like Rift's. Why would I let my sub to WoW run out to hop over on this, then? Because if I decide I want to let my WoW sub run out because it's summer and the lake is a mile and a half from my house, I know I can pick up right where I left off no problem, at least unless Blizzard announces a pending change to the monetization method of the game.
EDIT- To add, this isn't an unusual opinion, if this thread is any evidence. Those that dislike Trion's current F2P system are highly unlikely to try a sub option knowing that, if they want to stick with their characters, they'll eventually have to endure Trion's current F2P system.
I still think this is such an amazing idea. Kudos to Trion for seeing the need and filling it.
What am I missing here?
Reading more than the first comment perhaps? Start from this end backwards that was a few hours ago, nothing is set in stone yet with this server because it's going to depend on population.
And, as you've seen here, making it temporary ensures the net has just narrowed on who might play it. Self-fulfilling prophecies ahoy!
I still think this is such an amazing idea. Kudos to Trion for seeing the need and filling it.
What am I missing here?
Reading more than the first comment perhaps? Start from this end backwards that was a few hours ago, nothing is set in stone yet with this server because it's going to depend on population.
And, as you've seen here, making it temporary ensures the net has just narrowed on who might play it. Self-fulfilling prophecies ahoy!
Que?
They won't keep it around if it's not popular, and making it temporary prevents some folks from wanting to try it who might otherwise do so, making it less popular.
I still think this is such an amazing idea. Kudos to Trion for seeing the need and filling it.
What am I missing here?
Reading more than the first comment perhaps? Start from this end backwards that was a few hours ago, nothing is set in stone yet with this server because it's going to depend on population.
And, as you've seen here, making it temporary ensures the net has just narrowed on who might play it. Self-fulfilling prophecies ahoy!
Que?
They won't keep it around if it's not popular, and making it temporary prevents some folks from wanting to try it who might otherwise do so, making it less popular.
If you really think any game can bring out any style of chocolate (Rift doesn't do vanilla) server and please everybody, you will forever be responding to every attempt in dismay. The point is this server could stay up if population warrants it.
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About Rift, I don't care why they do this Prime Server. Trion has lost the "decent company award" right after they launched ArcheAge. Trion as a company is no longer Trion when they launched Rift. And for that , they have and they will pay the price.
Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy?
Blizzard Boss: Making gamers happy is not my concern, making money.. yes!
The funny part of Trion. People see Trion they run away, they see EA throw more money at them, even how bad the burn people so so many times. Not everyone but a lot do.
Yeah ArcheAge what killed a lot people, and a lot was not even Trion part they did hold the bag of blame a lot on it. When people forget XLgame see money put more p2w stuff!. Even seen video ArcheAge from a korea player fool people thinking was Trion it did work as people shared it all around. Don't get me wrong there is no good guy Trion they as greedy too. I know Trion lied, got hacked with poor security on bot guesting people password. Then mass amount server problem still even this day.
It was around the time of Cataclysm’s release that World of Warcraft hit its all-time high of over 12 million subscribers, so in that sense it’s not unbelievable that the game could be back above 10 million.
Anyways what im trying to say it has lost alot of players wod but also gained with legion. And I hope also with BFA. When I tried to pre order:
Already there...
Let see how well Rift Prime does. I think endgame will be a big problem due to lack finding people willing to raid in filling the roles they need. Thats needs to be over come with fresh blood to keep coming in the the Prime server.
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Yeah I wonder what their reasoning is. Sometimes developers just follow along and do what other products did without thinking it through much. So are they doing this limited time progression server simply because "that's how *insert other game here* did it", or do they really think there's a good reason to shut it down?
Are there actually players out there that think to themselves: "I wish I could spend a year working on a character and becoming part of a community, only to have it closed down on me."
I mean for people that don't care if they can only play it for a year, they can leave any time they want to play on another server. The people that want to stay though because they've spent a year making friends, etc etc... How do they benefit? Is the idea behind this only for PvP players? I mean I guess I can imagine them wanting there to be a fresh starting point with a mad race to an artificial stopping point where they're number whatever.
no it should formulate your opinion on "they just suck running archeage" and there ability to do a "great job as a company".
I passed logic 101....basic syllogism
the logical validity of an argument is a function of its internal consistencies, not the true value of its premises.
you've made an argument with inconsistent premises resulting in a false conclusion.
premise: "rift is an amazing game and support has always been great for Rift"
premise: "They just suck running archeage"
conclusion: "trion does a great job as a company"
while both premises are true statements when compared to your conclusion the 2nd premise shows an inconsistency.
A true conclusion would read something like "trion does a great job as a company at most 50% of the time"
Also remember that this isn't including other trion games simply because they weren't part of your original argument.
I didn't even need to apply the additional data to prove that your conclusion was illogical sir.
I would guess that a large portion of "This" community has played "X" game over a year straight, I realize the data does not back that up off of the genre as a whole , but This comunity is a bit Niche and mostly comprised of Vet players ..
I for one wont touch this Rift server unless they are going to keep it up .. But burnt by Trion to many times .. in Rift .. in Archeage... in Defiance ........ there track record is terrible when it come to giving a fuck about there community .............. They DOnt ... There history proves that ,they have frequently lied ,deceived , baitnswitch .. etc and it does not matter to me any longer what any of there schills or community manager say when spreading there propaganda ... They cant be trusted ..
But if the end of the server places my character back on the servers I originally left, why would I even spend time doing so? Rift certainly isn't the only sub option, and my other options (currently, WoW, as you know) have no plans on shifting to a F2P option like Rift's. Why would I let my sub to WoW run out to hop over on this, then? Because if I decide I want to let my WoW sub run out because it's summer and the lake is a mile and a half from my house, I know I can pick up right where I left off no problem, at least unless Blizzard announces a pending change to the monetization method of the game.
EDIT- To add, this isn't an unusual opinion, if this thread is any evidence. Those that dislike Trion's current F2P system are highly unlikely to try a sub option knowing that, if they want to stick with their characters, they'll eventually have to endure Trion's current F2P system.