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As always for players it is about perception, as much as it is about the reality of what is going to happen and why. If you make players think a "server" will be shut down after a short time then that's going to sick, regardless that the reality of the situation is the same as that for any new sever.
Are you suggesting they should have lied about it? That always works out well in the end. We have entire Star Citizen threads where gamers rage becuase CIG isn't honest, and now one of those people suggests that Trion shouldn't be transparent. So what's it supposed to be, honesty or lies? Or does that depend on what makes your argument work?
Most members here have already made up their mind about a game before even reading an article. They pick a point and make a huge deal out it and argue like that was really reason it's a dealbreaker for them, which is a big fat lie. Then they try and give the lie a bit of life by arguing everyone else feels the same way they do.
Did anyone really think Scorch was going to play this? Or Remy? No, they hate Trion and play this game almost every Trion thread. Did you think Frenchie, who made big point about arguing this, was going to play? He played for a week years ago and hasn't looked back. Are you going to play or just offering third party marketing analysis.
None of those people are interested in the game no matter what Trion did or how this was going to work. Posters here like to argue and be right and to vent their weird bitterness on games or companies they don't like. They don't care what it's about or if their point is even real. People do the same thing with Pantheon or WoW.
Trion does take their playerbase feedback into account and make changes accordingly. They've gone from "will close and characters will wipe" to "character progress remains and server life is indefinite based on population". What they're being criticized for now is not guessing what you wanted them to say from the get go.
No, just say as long as its viable. That leaves it open to adjusting the closure to when it makes best sense. Indefinite based on population is fair enough. You have mentioned many other posters, I have to say I have hardly read what anyone has said.
You need to stop thinking everyone is anti-Trion, I know some are, but that can become a bit of a knee jerk reaction. I played Rift for about nine months, the guild was not that happy with it, so we moved on. It was not one of my favourite MMOs, but better than some and I am rather selective in which ones I play.
Maybe, working on it but because of 20 man more work is needed
Nope if I wanted to play a game with LFG/R I would be playing FFXIV or WOW. Sorry but these kill MMORPGS and its been said thousands of times over.
I do not understand why people do not like LFR/LFG ? It makes your life easier, you can do a lot of things while queue-ing. I thing people who hate this system is the same as people who go to work and decline all the things that their boss try to make the job easier for them. If I pay $15 a month I would love to have something that make my life easier because I do not like the feeling that I come back from work and I only have about 1 - 2 hours to play the game and somehow I spend 50% - 75% off my time for something like " LFG / LFM Hall of Valor "
Because I play an MMORPG for the social aspect. LFD/LFR kills that aspect of the game. Its been said millions of times. You can Cry all you want about how you have a life. Well guess what I do as well. I have kids that require my time. However its not hard to have a circle of friends to message the day of and see if anyone will be on. LFD/LFR turns the game into a lobby based game. If you like this shit you should stay in Diablo. LFD while it makes grouping easier, its for the instant gratification generation that does not know how to go out and make friends. How is it I still keep in contact with over hundred friends all of them I made before LFD and I made 1 friend in all the years since LFD. Simple I made friends and learned to rely on friends.
As always for players it is about perception, as much as it is about the reality of what is going to happen and why. If you make players think a "server" will be shut down after a short time then that's going to sick, regardless that the reality of the situation is the same as that for any new sever.
Are you suggesting they should have lied about it? That always works out well in the end. We have entire Star Citizen threads where gamers rage becuase CIG isn't honest, and now one of those people suggests that Trion shouldn't be transparent. So what's it supposed to be, honesty or lies? Or does that depend on what makes your argument work?
Most members here have already made up their mind about a game before even reading an article. They pick a point and make a huge deal out it and argue like that was really reason it's a dealbreaker for them, which is a big fat lie. Then they try and give the lie a bit of life by arguing everyone else feels the same way they do.
Did anyone really think Scorch was going to play this? Or Remy? No, they hate Trion and play this game almost every Trion thread. Did you think Frenchie, who made big point about arguing this, was going to play? He played for a week years ago and hasn't looked back. Are you going to play or just offering third party marketing analysis.
None of those people are interested in the game no matter what Trion did or how this was going to work. Posters here like to argue and be right and to vent their weird bitterness on games or companies they don't like. They don't care what it's about or if their point is even real. People do the same thing with Pantheon or WoW.
Trion does take their playerbase feedback into account and make changes accordingly. They've gone from "will close and characters will wipe" to "character progress remains and server life is indefinite based on population". What they're being criticized for now is not guessing what you wanted them to say from the get go.
well you are wrong again , and if you took the time to read everything you would know ..
1 . I supported the idea when first announced( Before they said server shutter) , and said this along with a similar AA server would put them back in the good graces of the community ..
2 . i actually really liked Rift alot and played daily for 2 years and 3months up to the change of Cash shop f2p
3.I really enjoyed the survival skills and builds ..
Now that being said as much as distrust Trion , i still may jump into Rift again , ohh i was also playing on live in November /Dec last year .. But the cash shop is sickening .. i left again
As always for players it is about perception, as much as it is about the reality of what is going to happen and why. If you make players think a "server" will be shut down after a short time then that's going to sick, regardless that the reality of the situation is the same as that for any new sever.
Are you suggesting they should have lied about it? That always works out well in the end. We have entire Star Citizen threads where gamers rage becuase CIG isn't honest, and now one of those people suggests that Trion shouldn't be transparent. So what's it supposed to be, honesty or lies? Or does that depend on what makes your argument work?
Most members here have already made up their mind about a game before even reading an article. They pick a point and make a huge deal out it and argue like that was really reason it's a dealbreaker for them, which is a big fat lie. Then they try and give the lie a bit of life by arguing everyone else feels the same way they do.
Did anyone really think Scorch was going to play this? Or Remy? No, they hate Trion and play this game almost every Trion thread. Did you think Frenchie, who made big point about arguing this, was going to play? He played for a week years ago and hasn't looked back. Are you going to play or just offering third party marketing analysis.
None of those people are interested in the game no matter what Trion did or how this was going to work. Posters here like to argue and be right and to vent their weird bitterness on games or companies they don't like. They don't care what it's about or if their point is even real. People do the same thing with Pantheon or WoW.
Trion does take their playerbase feedback into account and make changes accordingly. They've gone from "will close and characters will wipe" to "character progress remains and server life is indefinite based on population". What they're being criticized for now is not guessing what you wanted them to say from the get go.
You know why I made the case, I told you as much. And lo and behold, folks attempted to make the very argument I told you they would in that very thread (in which I tagged you, so I'm pretty sure you saw it).
Not only that, but you keep acting as if my point was some kind of ultra special view not shared by anyone else, when you know damn well it was by far the most consistent negative feedback we've seen here on it.
Well, it does sound interesting HOWEVER its only goign to last for so long then the server/s will close and you have to transfer what you have back to F2P mode.
Why dont they just bring this in as a subscription mode only and halve the cost per month. I would bet then that these would do better. After all they did also say it would be a seperate log in to the current one.
It's the "at the end" part why I won't be bothering with this. It makes ZERO sense to make it a limited time event. Never mind the fact Trion is offering micro-transaction items for players to try Prime with when microtransaction p2w crap is why people abandoned the game to begin with.
Well, it does sound interesting HOWEVER its only goign to last for so long then the server/s will close and you have to transfer what you have back to F2P mode.
Why dont they just bring this in as a subscription mode only and halve the cost per month. I would bet then that these would do better. After all they did also say it would be a seperate log in to the current one.
They said at the end of the server if it's still very popular they will bring it as a subscription mode only with out ending it. The problem they are facing now being popular to have amount people to do the endgame content. Time will tell how guilds end up falling apart lack of raiders or people to group with. Maybe they will pull it off, as for me I don't think they will pull this off. I do agree with some this is money grab with out doing real work on the live game.
And none of that changes that the largest deterrent for folks so far has been that it's been introduced as a limited time server.
Since this was planned to be a limited time server from the outset that it deters those not interested in such is irrelevant. Their interest was obviously not sought or intended.
Sounds to me like they did this a really lazy way. They basically chopped off bits of the live version and are calling it Prime. Also, if they really wanted to make an effort for this to be a genuine oldschool experience, the cash shop would not exist. Sorry "limited cash shop" still includes a TON of stuff. Any cash shop at all should not exist on a server that requires a sub.
Sounds to me like they did this a really lazy way. They basically chopped off bits of the live version and are calling it Prime. Also, if they really wanted to make an effort for this to be a genuine oldschool experience, the cash shop would not exist. Sorry "limited cash shop" still includes a TON of stuff. Any cash shop at all should not exist on a server that requires a sub.
One thing Cash shop existed back in the day. Just this time around more items in it. I don't think people would have problem with it unless is in there face all the time.
I think a lot of regulars will go for it if only for the unique mounts and other rare goodies plus the fact you can transfer that back to the regular servers.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
I did play a lot of rift and loved it. I love the idea of starting from scratch before all the shop add ons.
I would be happy to play but not at full cost. I am not interested in the main server any longer so if there was a reasonable subscription for PRIME I would change my mind.
I already pay another subsciption which I am not letting go (another MMORPG) so it just gets too expensive especially with exchange rates being what they are.
Yeh yeh if I really wanted to play I would just subscribe.....but how many people can afford multiple subscriptions (along with PayTv subscriptions these days????
I did play a lot of rift and loved it. I love the idea of starting from scratch before all the shop add ons.
I would be happy to play but not at full cost. I am not interested in the main server any longer so if there was a reasonable subscription for PRIME I would change my mind.
I already pay another subsciption which I am not letting go (another MMORPG) so it just gets too expensive especially with exchange rates being what they are.
Yeh yeh if I really wanted to play I would just subscribe.....but how many people can afford multiple subscriptions (along with PayTv subscriptions these days????
I hear you does get expensive, and thats was one of the problem when it was sub server before it went f2p. It very hard for many to drop the base game that they playing now to go play a new game. When needed to spend tons of time grinding things in 1 MMO.
I still can't believe they actually thought it would be a good idea not to rebalance the game around the new level cap. It's like they had a contest among the staff to see who could come up with the worst ideas. The winner gets to turn out the lights after everyone else gets laid off.
Its not negative , i am positively trying to help others from falling into the the Trap , This is me helping the community , this is a Discussion forum last i checked , so you need to go into something with tempered expectations and accepeted realization , that everyone does not like or respect Trion as a dev/pub ..
And to be honest , and you can check my posts if you like , At the very first annoncement of Prime , ( before they told anyone they were going to possibly shuuter and move toons to live)
I said this could be a good move by them and if they did the same with AA they would regain some of the lost trust of the community ........ I was wrong .. shoulds known better ...
Same ole ..
Every MMO game i been in full of traps and lies. MMO companies go with the investors tell them even if does not make the player base happy. I do support Trion things I find fair not underhanded as I still play the live. With Rift Prime I think is a lazy way to bring in money then cleaning up the cash shop with better not questionable item. If Rift team can prove me wrong but not to sure about that how much great idea failed on them. If they can get it right this time then they won't move anyone to live. Good part they are telling the truth this time around. Then making people move due to people not willing to put in the time and money for a sub server to stay alive.
People weren't willing to put in the time or money when this game was still on the radar but now there are 5x+ as many MMO's and many do not require $15 a month for a game that has aged worse than the EQ's IMO. The EQ's have the retro thing going for them but this one hovers in between WoW clone and low budget eastern cash shop game IMO. Unlike WoW though this game did not drastically change much over the years so if you played around launch, log in and guess what 90% of the base game is still the same if you don't mind playing non-p2w OP classes. I just logged in and saw my two headed turtle that someone else mentioned, the over the top hazy gfx and only 2 people logged in which is probably the real reason they are doing this to get more players on the FTP server when this one "doesn't do as well as they expected". I did ask one of the two logged in a question though and he was really nice offering help if I needed it.
You know that Rift servers today have 1000s of players logged in at any point - lol
Wonder how you concluded there were 2 players logged in... heh
2 players in the city I was in that's how I knew there were 2 players.
How does hundreds of players become thousands of players in your world? The game hasn't had thousands of players logged in "at any point" in years.
Revert it back to launch or pitch any angle of why you should play this but the base game couldn't survive without a cash shop and even with cash shop only has hundreds not thousands of players. Log in today to see that the only improvements made to the game are directly tied into the cash shop. This is an obvious cash grab by a company known for cash grabs. How are those $150 AA and Devilian founder packs working out for everyone?
Man quit trolling.
The only improvements made to the game was the cash shop since launch?
Umm what about the 4 major expansions - what about the new souls and classes added, dimensions were added post launch, wardrobe system.. etc.. etc...
I mean dude, hey you can hate Trion, you can hate Rift - it's all fine, but please saying that there were no improvements made to the game... /what_the_actual_f....
They redid the whole server and client code to 64bit - I guess that's not an improvement either.
$150 AA working out great for me and my guild - we still play . You should check out 4.5 Korean patch notes - XL put all the devs back on ArcheAge with their other failed projects and it's starting to show.
Devilian - never bought the pack for that, played it free to max level, did all the raids and quit
"Umm what about the 4 major expansions - what about the new souls and
classes added, dimensions were added post launch, wardrobe system..
etc.. etc..." ALL this stuff is tied into the cash shop like I mentioned. The 64bit and log in rewards are the only things I've noticed that aren't directly tied into the cash shop. The meat of this game exists in the cash shop.
P.S. I don't hate Trion or their games so you really don't have the right to put that "hate" label on me just because I'm writing my opinion that you don't agree with or because Hartsman is your buddy. I've spent thousands of hours in their games and quite a bit of cash. Trove(Closed beta -now), Rift(Beta, Collector's Edition owner) & AR(Pretty much own everything cept gold skins).
Sounds to me like they did this a really lazy way. They basically chopped off bits of the live version and are calling it Prime. Also, if they really wanted to make an effort for this to be a genuine oldschool experience, the cash shop would not exist. Sorry "limited cash shop" still includes a TON of stuff. Any cash shop at all should not exist on a server that requires a sub.
One thing Cash shop existed back in the day. Just this time around more items in it. I don't think people would have problem with it unless is in there face all the time.
There was NO cash shop in Rift until it went F2P with everything except an upgrade pack containing a mount and mobile mailbox available on their website but that was it.
Sounds to me like they did this a really lazy way. They basically chopped off bits of the live version and are calling it Prime. Also, if they really wanted to make an effort for this to be a genuine oldschool experience, the cash shop would not exist. Sorry "limited cash shop" still includes a TON of stuff. Any cash shop at all should not exist on a server that requires a sub.
One thing Cash shop existed back in the day. Just this time around more items in it. I don't think people would have problem with it unless is in there face all the time.
There was NO cash shop in Rift until it went F2P with everything except an upgrade pack containing a mount and mobile mailbox available on their website but that was it.
No there was a cash shop like guild rename a mount and few other things when it was sub.
Its not negative , i am positively trying to help others from falling into the the Trap , This is me helping the community , this is a Discussion forum last i checked , so you need to go into something with tempered expectations and accepeted realization , that everyone does not like or respect Trion as a dev/pub ..
And to be honest , and you can check my posts if you like , At the very first annoncement of Prime , ( before they told anyone they were going to possibly shuuter and move toons to live)
I said this could be a good move by them and if they did the same with AA they would regain some of the lost trust of the community ........ I was wrong .. shoulds known better ...
Same ole ..
Every MMO game i been in full of traps and lies. MMO companies go with the investors tell them even if does not make the player base happy. I do support Trion things I find fair not underhanded as I still play the live. With Rift Prime I think is a lazy way to bring in money then cleaning up the cash shop with better not questionable item. If Rift team can prove me wrong but not to sure about that how much great idea failed on them. If they can get it right this time then they won't move anyone to live. Good part they are telling the truth this time around. Then making people move due to people not willing to put in the time and money for a sub server to stay alive.
People weren't willing to put in the time or money when this game was still on the radar but now there are 5x+ as many MMO's and many do not require $15 a month for a game that has aged worse than the EQ's IMO. The EQ's have the retro thing going for them but this one hovers in between WoW clone and low budget eastern cash shop game IMO. Unlike WoW though this game did not drastically change much over the years so if you played around launch, log in and guess what 90% of the base game is still the same if you don't mind playing non-p2w OP classes. I just logged in and saw my two headed turtle that someone else mentioned, the over the top hazy gfx and only 2 people logged in which is probably the real reason they are doing this to get more players on the FTP server when this one "doesn't do as well as they expected". I did ask one of the two logged in a question though and he was really nice offering help if I needed it.
You know that Rift servers today have 1000s of players logged in at any point - lol
Wonder how you concluded there were 2 players logged in... heh
2 players in the city I was in that's how I knew there were 2 players.
How does hundreds of players become thousands of players in your world? The game hasn't had thousands of players logged in "at any point" in years.
Sounds to me like they did this a really lazy way. They basically chopped off bits of the live version and are calling it Prime. Also, if they really wanted to make an effort for this to be a genuine oldschool experience, the cash shop would not exist. Sorry "limited cash shop" still includes a TON of stuff. Any cash shop at all should not exist on a server that requires a sub.
One thing Cash shop existed back in the day. Just this time around more items in it. I don't think people would have problem with it unless is in there face all the time.
There was NO cash shop in Rift until it went F2P with everything except an upgrade pack containing a mount and mobile mailbox available on their website but that was it.
No there was a cash shop like guild rename a mount and few other things when it was sub.
Cool still no PvP rifts..... why have more content for pvpers... that we have already developed?!
PvP rifts? How would that even work? A rift in Rift is a tear in the world when the tear is opened monsters spawn. How would this even work in a PvP sense? lol
I love rifts, but I can't see how this would work for PvP.
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You still got time to vote for the new server name..
unless you want to risk its name becoming 'wintercharm'
No, just say as long as its viable. That leaves it open to adjusting the closure to when it makes best sense. Indefinite based on population is fair enough. You have mentioned many other posters, I have to say I have hardly read what anyone has said.
You need to stop thinking everyone is anti-Trion, I know some are, but that can become a bit of a knee jerk reaction. I played Rift for about nine months, the guild was not that happy with it, so we moved on. It was not one of my favourite MMOs, but better than some and I am rather selective in which ones I play.
1 . I supported the idea when first announced( Before they said server shutter) , and said this along with a similar AA server would put them back in the good graces of the community ..
2 . i actually really liked Rift alot and played daily for 2 years and 3months up to the change of Cash shop f2p
3.I really enjoyed the survival skills and builds ..
Now that being said as much as distrust Trion , i still may jump into Rift again , ohh i was also playing on live in November /Dec last year .. But the cash shop is sickening .. i left again
So .................think again
Not only that, but you keep acting as if my point was some kind of ultra special view not shared by anyone else, when you know damn well it was by far the most consistent negative feedback we've seen here on it.
Why dont they just bring this in as a subscription mode only and halve the cost per month. I would bet then that these would do better. After all they did also say it would be a seperate log in to the current one.
It's the "at the end" part why I won't be bothering with this. It makes ZERO sense to make it a limited time event. Never mind the fact Trion is offering micro-transaction items for players to try Prime with when microtransaction p2w crap is why people abandoned the game to begin with.
Since this was planned to be a limited time server from the outset that it deters those not interested in such is irrelevant. Their interest was obviously not sought or intended.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
I would be happy to play but not at full cost. I am not interested in the main server any longer so if there was a reasonable subscription for PRIME I would change my mind.
I already pay another subsciption which I am not letting go (another MMORPG) so it just gets too expensive especially with exchange rates being what they are.
Yeh yeh if I really wanted to play I would just subscribe.....but how many people can afford multiple subscriptions (along with PayTv subscriptions these days????
How does hundreds of players become thousands of players in your world? The game hasn't had thousands of players logged in "at any point" in years.
http://steamcharts.com/app/39120
P.S. I don't hate Trion or their games so you really don't have the right to put that "hate" label on me just because I'm writing my opinion that you don't agree with or because Hartsman is your buddy. I've spent thousands of hours in their games and quite a bit of cash. Trove(Closed beta -now), Rift(Beta, Collector's Edition owner) & AR(Pretty much own everything cept gold skins).
https://images.mmorpg.com/images/galleries/formatted/392012/ec10c0f9-3121-46a5-92fe-19c93da3f046.jpg
Was not called a cash shop but it was.
More then a few months, f2p people hit until June 12, 2013 that update with the deeps depot was added on 12 Sept 8:00am 2012.
So I am right and wrong was not in the start of the game but it was there when sub was still in play for sometime.
Looking forward to: Crowfall / Lost Ark / Black Desert Mobile