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Frozenyearround

MadFrenchie said:

Frozenyearround said:

MadFrenchie said:

SedrynTyros said:

MadFrenchie said:

Are you dense?  I cited government data for two of the three sources, and a scholarly research article from a Harvard professor.  What alt-left anti gun propaganda site are you even referring to?  The shit you claim my "desperation" proved is literally baseless nonsense.

Yet I'm the one who's fear-mongering here. /Facepalm

EDIT- This internet fad where folks troll specifically about important social issues, like our dear frozen friend here, is a really shitty and dangerous trend.  I'll be glad to see the day it ends.

We live in a very unsettling time.  Evidence, data, facts ... those used to reliably matter to the public conscience.  Now, too many people disregard empirical information because it contradicts what they believe, even when those beliefs rest on nothing more than feelings and preferences ... or untested ideology .... hell, sometimes it's ideology that is demonstrably misguided.  

If you would have told me twenty years ago that the I'd live to see a day when factual information was dismissed as liberal bias by a significant percentage of the populous, I would have said you were bonkers to think such a thing is possible ... and yet, here we are.

I'm not sure where this road leads but I'll bet it's not to a good place.

It's gotten to the point where Americans are literally more frightened of the supposed Liberal/Conservative Boogeyman than they are of a hostile foreign government attempting to subvert our own government.  That's the scariest part of it.  If ever there was a time to hit us hard as a country, it's now.  It seems these days that half the country would assist Russia or another country in doing so (or at least remain ambivalent about it), because they've been trained to think that the opposite side of the ideological aisle is literally the root cause of all the country's problems (which sounds eerily familiar to a stance taken by a certain infamous leader back in the 40s to rally one group against another in his country).

And, all apologies @SBFord and the gang regarding the delving into politics, but we've gotten to a point now where you can't really separate politics and gaming cleanly anymore.  The bitching about "oh, the SJW in this game!", the Russian investigation involving a pretty well-known studio, lootbox monetization reaching the ears of lawmakers in multiple countries...  The world's becoming more and more interconnected, so it's hard to discuss one without delving into the realm of the other on some of these topics.

Oh come on I really was going to let this topic go but did you just compare those who support President Trump to Hitler and Nazis? 
And you are complaining about "being trained to think the opposite side of the aisle is the root cause of the countries problems." 

 The "Russian investigation " to date has zero evidence the Trump campaign or anyone associated with the campaign "colluded " or conspired with the Russians.  What we are learning from the "Russian investigation " is there appears to be an effort by the previous administration to spy on an opposing Presidential Campaign.  The entire "Russian investigation " appears to have been started by a fictitious dossier that the DOJ, FBI knew was fake and paid for by the Clinton campaign.   This information was never relayed to the Fisa judge which by law should have been on all three fisa warrant request.  Now I'm going to guess you are perfectly fine with all of that because that's what your side "has trained you to believe".  

Those are the facts.  

The fact is, before Clinton campaign paid for anything, the Republicans paid for it.  Clinton campaign merely continued it once Trump won the primary and the Republican party no longer had use of it.

The dossier was not "faked," there are items in the dossier that have already proven true.  There are other items that have not been proven true.  They may not ever, but you're being disingenuous to say it was faked.

This idea that a previous administration planted someone in Trump's campaign for political gain is also facetious.  Really, the only person giving that route any cred at this point is Trump and whoever takes his Twitter account for gospel.

EDIT- Additional, the FISA warrants were filed correctly.  The Republican party released a statement trying to claim it wasn't, but once the Democratic forced the DOJ to reveal more (because they saw the full docs just as the Repubs did and knew the Republicans were cherry-picking), it became apparent that the judge was, in fact, made aware of where the information came from and who paid for the investigation that yielded that info.

But, according to our President, his own DOJ is plotting against him.  Paranoia is a dangerous thing.

Oh my it's amazing how wrong you are. ON every single point.  Your side really has you hook line and sinker on what to think.  

Clinton paid for the Steele Dossier that was used for the Fisa warrants.  From the left with Washington post.

"In April 2016, Fusion was hired by the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee to keep funding the research. (Marc E. Elias, a lawyer representing the Clinton campaign and the DNC, retained the firm.)

In early June, Fusion hired Steele, a former British intelligence officer with ties to the FBI and the U.S. intelligence community, to examine Trump’s ties in Russia. The dossier is actually several memos, based on conversations with Russian sources, that were written between June and December of 2016."

To date even the corrupt Clapper, McCabe and Comey have publicly stated they were never able to verify the Steele Dossier.  Even Mr.Steele stated under oath he never verified the information.  This is all public information how can you even try to say anything else.  

Whereever you get your information is obviously wrong and bias but if the Judge knew the Steele dossier was financed by the Clinton campaign and nothing in it has been verified the warrant would not have been granted that is just a fact.  

Frozenyearround

@MadFrenchie

I do appreciate those like you though.  Thanks to those like you who continue to compare President Trump   and his supporters Hilter and Nazies the "blue wave" is now gone.  Without your hard work to spew blatant lies and misinformation the American people are waking up to his important the next election is.  Oh and your views on guns has also helped.   I appreciate all your hard work I respect your dedication to your side of these arguments but unfortunately they are misguided and not going to have the outcome you hope for.  

MadFrenchie

Your excerpt does nothing to refute my point that Republicans paid Fusion before Clinton did.

From the same entity you cited:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/national-security/conservative-website-first-paid-fusion-gps-for-trump-research/2017/10/27/ee05c1d6-bb6f-11e7-9e58-e6288544af98_story.html

"A conservative publication said Friday it paid a Washington research firm to start probing Donald Trump's background — a move that set in motion a chain of events leading to the explosive dossier alleging ties between Trump associates and Russia.

In a statement, the Washington Free Beacon said it retained Fusion GPS to provide research on multiple Republican candidates in the 2016 presidential election."

Frozenyearround

MadFrenchie said:

Your excerpt does nothing to refute my point that Republicans paid Fusion before Clinton did.

From the same entity you cited:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/national-security/conservative-website-first-paid-fusion-gps-for-trump-research/2017/10/27/ee05c1d6-bb6f-11e7-9e58-e6288544af98_story.html

"A conservative publication said Friday it paid a Washington research firm to start probing Donald Trump's background — a move that set in motion a chain of events leading to the explosive dossier alleging ties between Trump associates and Russia.

In a statement, the Washington Free Beacon said it retained Fusion GPS to provide research on multiple Republican candidates in the 2016 presidential election."

Here I'll quote the part you missed.

"The dossier is actually several memos, based on conversations with Russian sources, that were written between June and December of 2016."

Those were written by Steele who didn't join until Clinton and the DNC hired him.  You can try and spin in anyway you want but those are the publicly available facts repeated under oath by multiple individuals. 

I appreciate your desperation your hard work is doing great for my side.  

Have a great memorial weekend.

GOD BLESS THE USA!  MAGA!

MadFrenchie

Frozenyearround said:

@MadFrenchie

I do appreciate those like you though.  Thanks to those like you who continue to compare President Trump   and his supporters Hilter and Nazies the "blue wave" is now gone.  Without your hard work to spew blatant lies and misinformation the American people are waking up to his important the next election is.  Oh and your views on guns has also helped.   I appreciate all your hard work I respect your dedication to your side of these arguments but unfortunately they are misguided and not going to have the outcome you hope for.  

The "blue wave" went nowhere.  The blue wave afforded more votes for Clinton than the "red wave" afforded for Trump.  It continues to give Repubs headaches about midterm elections (actually, if we're being honest, Trump's idiotic and paranoid behavior is the Republicans biggest headache).  Or do you dispute Trump lost the popular vote?

MadFrenchie

Frozenyearround said:

MadFrenchie said:

Your excerpt does nothing to refute my point that Republicans paid Fusion before Clinton did.

From the same entity you cited:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/national-security/conservative-website-first-paid-fusion-gps-for-trump-research/2017/10/27/ee05c1d6-bb6f-11e7-9e58-e6288544af98_story.html

"A conservative publication said Friday it paid a Washington research firm to start probing Donald Trump's background — a move that set in motion a chain of events leading to the explosive dossier alleging ties between Trump associates and Russia.

In a statement, the Washington Free Beacon said it retained Fusion GPS to provide research on multiple Republican candidates in the 2016 presidential election."

Here I'll quote the part you missed.

"The dossier is actually several memos, based on conversations with Russian sources, that were written between June and December of 2016."

Those were written by Steele who didn't join until Clinton and the DNC hired him.  You can try and spin in anyway you want but those are the publicly available facts repeated under oath by multiple individuals. 

I appreciate your desperation your hard work is doing great for my side.  

Have a great memorial weekend.

GOD BLESS THE USA!  MAGA!

Oh, right.  My bad.  Steele was merely an employee of Fusion. Sort of like the folks who worked on the investigation prior to Steele's dossier.  Wanna bet with me that Steele used the previously gathered information from his co-workers to inform his continued investigation?

EDIT- your also spreading misinformation about the dossier itself by puppeting Nunes comments on the dossier veracity:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/feb/05/devin-nunes/nunes-memo-twists-james-comeys-words-steele-dossie/

One law professor even goes so far as to say this about Nunes (and your) assessment, specifically regarding your and Nunes' assertion that Comey ever claimed it was completely bunk:

"Michael C.H. McDaniel, director of homeland security law programs at Western Michigan University’s Thomas M. Cooley Law School, said Comey’s carefully phrased words make the Nunes memo’s interpretation dubious.

"I fully believe that Comey was referring to some of the facts in one of the memos that comprise the Steele dossier as being yet unverified, just as only portions appeared salacious," McDaniel said. "Any other interpretation is convoluted and illogical.""