I wonder how long it takes for the P2W to start creeping in because i don't think the population they have will be able to keep the game going, Just on B2P, optional sub and the convenience, cosmetic cash shop with Steam taking a percentage of the sales as well.
After giving this some thought I came to a personal conclusion. Bless isn't why people are mad. Players are absolutely desperate for a quality mmorpg that can retain a large population. This is more a symptom of the current state the genre is in. Bless merely took advantage of the situation.
Neowiz honestly did nothing, neowiz told everyone exactly what to expect from the early access release, they stated multiple times it would be a beta / early access state, with end game / more content to be released after EA launched.
people hyped this game up expecting something it was never going to be at EA launch and then reality came crashing down, i'm still playing it with a big group of friends and we're having a blast, the lack of end game content atm sucks.. but the devs are commited to providing good communication to the community and are fast to release hotfixes and patches.
the concurrent users hardly speaks to what player numbers are actually like, due to the fact it's exactly that concurrent users and max daily concurrent users, that doesn't take into account different time zones etc... people who are waiting for more content, people who are waiting for class patches etc... it's just a number and as it stands it's performing a lot better then lots of other games on that list.
i knew exactly what i was getting into when i purchased this game, i didn't expect more than what i knew it would be, failing in other regions has very little to do with anything when they are trying to deliver a better newer experience to NA / EU... only time will tell if they have the chops to pull it off, but i commend them for taking the chance, owning up to their mistakes and trying to make the game better.
Neowiz honestly did nothing, neowiz told everyone exactly what to expect from the early access release, they stated multiple times it would be a beta / early access state, with end game / more content to be released after EA launched.
people hyped this game up expecting something it was never going to be at EA launch and then reality came crashing down, i'm still playing it with a big group of friends and we're having a blast, the lack of end game content atm sucks.. but the devs are commited to providing good communication to the community and are fast to release hotfixes and patches.
the concurrent users hardly speaks to what player numbers are actually like, due to the fact it's exactly that concurrent users and max daily concurrent users, that doesn't take into account different time zones etc... people who are waiting for more content, people who are waiting for class patches etc... it's just a number and as it stands it's performing a lot better then lots of other games on that list.
i knew exactly what i was getting into when i purchased this game, i didn't expect more than what i knew it would be, failing in other regions has very little to do with anything when they are trying to deliver a better newer experience to NA / EU... only time will tell if they have the chops to pull it off, but i commend them for taking the chance, owning up to their mistakes and trying to make the game better.
This. The only thing failing was people who couldn't keep their expectations under control or decide to know better what EA is because "reasons."
Bless is exactly what was advertised. Many ignored that completely or decided the advertisement was invalid. This had nothing to do with the game being good or bad.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Neowiz honestly did nothing, neowiz told everyone exactly what to expect from the early access release, they stated multiple times it would be a beta / early access state, with end game / more content to be released after EA launched.
people hyped this game up expecting something it was never going to be at EA launch and then reality came crashing down, i'm still playing it with a big group of friends and we're having a blast, the lack of end game content atm sucks.. but the devs are commited to providing good communication to the community and are fast to release hotfixes and patches.
the concurrent users hardly speaks to what player numbers are actually like, due to the fact it's exactly that concurrent users and max daily concurrent users, that doesn't take into account different time zones etc... people who are waiting for more content, people who are waiting for class patches etc... it's just a number and as it stands it's performing a lot better then lots of other games on that list.
i knew exactly what i was getting into when i purchased this game, i didn't expect more than what i knew it would be, failing in other regions has very little to do with anything when they are trying to deliver a better newer experience to NA / EU... only time will tell if they have the chops to pull it off, but i commend them for taking the chance, owning up to their mistakes and trying to make the game better.
This. The only thing failing was people who couldn't keep their expectations under control or decide to know better what EA is because "reasons."
Bless is exactly what was advertised. Many ignored that completely or decided the advertisement was invalid. This had nothing to do with the game being good or bad.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Bless was exactly as advertised? Really? So thats why the only class with action combat was Berserker then huh? And it's already come out that Paladin will never receive it.
If they told everyone there would be a server reset once the game left early access this problem would never have occurred. That way they would have gotten the people wanting to help build the game during early access and everyone else would show up once the game was released.
You would have thought that Neowiz had learned something from screwing up in korea and russia but instead the game is crashing in another market. Let's blame this shitty release on the right people, business executives at Neowiz.
Iselin: And the next person who says "but it's a business, they need to make money" can just go fuck yourself.
I'd give it a 4 at best, because at the end of the day it's just a giant shit show. EU/NA version actually runs fairly worse than the JP version, which I did check out prior to the release and thought, hey if the optimization will be better than this, it might be decent, surprise surprise it was actually worse.
They did fuck all for the NA/EU release, the combat is half arsed, the translation is tragic and the best part is that the white knight go: "ermergherd give em time, it's just a small company, give indies a chance".
For that I've got a question. Are you idiots high or something? Neowiz is a fairly big company in KR with at least 470 employees. They knew what they were doing with NA/EU release, they got to somehow recoup that 60mil that they've spent on making this turd.
Why is this the only Early Access game that gets a review? That's a bit unfair. The devs have been clear for months that game was unfinished and would need a lot of work before being ready for official release. How about letting them go through that development process before reviewing it like you do for every other game?
I'm very disappointed in you MMORPG for doing this and Bill for letting it happen. I used to respect you guys for writing about a wide variety of games with a wide variety of opinions, but this is just jumping on the hate train for a game that is like any other at this stage of development.
So they can take money for the product but you're not allowed to review it because "early access".
Were people actually expecting Bless to be the next BDO?
Where have you been? Bless was the next Jesus of mmo's according to some
I don't remember anyone claiming that (maybe iceage/darkice or whatever the Fuck his name is lol). Majority were just excited for a fresh MMO or were just following the game for a long time. No one claimed it was the next "wow killer". So maybe stop with the hyperbole.
Neowiz honestly did nothing, neowiz told everyone exactly what to expect from the early access release, they stated multiple times it would be a beta / early access state, with end game / more content to be released after EA launched.
people hyped this game up expecting something it was never going to be at EA launch and then reality came crashing down, i'm still playing it with a big group of friends and we're having a blast, the lack of end game content atm sucks.. but the devs are commited to providing good communication to the community and are fast to release hotfixes and patches.
the concurrent users hardly speaks to what player numbers are actually like, due to the fact it's exactly that concurrent users and max daily concurrent users, that doesn't take into account different time zones etc... people who are waiting for more content, people who are waiting for class patches etc... it's just a number and as it stands it's performing a lot better then lots of other games on that list.
i knew exactly what i was getting into when i purchased this game, i didn't expect more than what i knew it would be, failing in other regions has very little to do with anything when they are trying to deliver a better newer experience to NA / EU... only time will tell if they have the chops to pull it off, but i commend them for taking the chance, owning up to their mistakes and trying to make the game better.
This. The only thing failing was people who couldn't keep their expectations under control or decide to know better what EA is because "reasons."
Bless is exactly what was advertised. Many ignored that completely or decided the advertisement was invalid. This had nothing to do with the game being good or bad.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Bless was exactly as advertised? Really? So thats why the only class with action combat was Berserker then huh? And it's already come out that Paladin will never receive it.
No, I mean the product Bless as a whole, an Early Acces title. Other compareble MMORPGs in that stage would be Project: Genom, The Repopulation and Otherland. Not compareble games would be: BDO, AA etc.
People want Bless to be something else then what it actually is because reasons, valid or not.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Does the fact that it is early access and if they had tried to tone down expectations really mitigate the bad reviews or people asking for refunds and loss of players. The damage is already done. Will the game recover at this stage , was it wise to release like this knowing the backlash and bad reviews you will garner.
I think all reviews should be done with computers that can run at maximum settings. This is the second review I;ve seen based on popular opinion instead of what the game actually has. Reviews that cater to a populism are worthless imho
Neowiz honestly did nothing, neowiz told everyone exactly what to expect from the early access release, they stated multiple times it would be a beta / early access state, with end game / more content to be released after EA launched.
people hyped this game up expecting something it was never going to be at EA launch and then reality came crashing down, i'm still playing it with a big group of friends and we're having a blast, the lack of end game content atm sucks.. but the devs are commited to providing good communication to the community and are fast to release hotfixes and patches.
the concurrent users hardly speaks to what player numbers are actually like, due to the fact it's exactly that concurrent users and max daily concurrent users, that doesn't take into account different time zones etc... people who are waiting for more content, people who are waiting for class patches etc... it's just a number and as it stands it's performing a lot better then lots of other games on that list.
i knew exactly what i was getting into when i purchased this game, i didn't expect more than what i knew it would be, failing in other regions has very little to do with anything when they are trying to deliver a better newer experience to NA / EU... only time will tell if they have the chops to pull it off, but i commend them for taking the chance, owning up to their mistakes and trying to make the game better.
This. The only thing failing was people who couldn't keep their expectations under control or decide to know better what EA is because "reasons."
Bless is exactly what was advertised. Many ignored that completely or decided the advertisement was invalid. This had nothing to do with the game being good or bad.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Bless was exactly as advertised? Really? So thats why the only class with action combat was Berserker then huh? And it's already come out that Paladin will never receive it.
No, I mean the product Bless as a whole, an Early Acces title. Other compareble MMORPGs in that stage would be Project: Genom, The Repopulation and Otherland. Not compareble games would be: BDO, AA etc.
People want Bless to be something else then what it actually is because reasons, valid or not.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
I partially agree, but there's a key difference many seem to want to ignore here: Genom, Repop, and Otherland aren't merely region ports.
In that sense, Bless is actually far more comparable to BDO (and maybe AA, can't remember if it was a region port).
Sorry, but when this isn't the title's first try at a launch but the third, you get very little slack. Specifically when you're taking cash for early access on the third.
EDIT- not only that, but they aren't even including all the game's content at release. They cut shit to make it easier to prepare for launch, then still released a dubious product despite that. No, I think at this point it deserves the negative publicity it is getting.
Exactly as advertised, mmmm - trying to find their marketing mention years old dupes not being fixed, of known flying hacks not being corrected from years ago. Struggling to find these in the adverts, maybe you can help?
Were people actually expecting Bless to be the next BDO?
Where have you been? Bless was the next Jesus of mmo's according to some
I don't remember anyone claiming that (maybe iceage/darkice or whatever the Fuck his name is lol). Majority were just excited for a fresh MMO or were just following the game for a long time. No one claimed it was the next "wow killer". So maybe stop with the hyperbole.
Yeah, I don't remember anyone saying that. A few people said they really liked it but that was about it.
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I don't see why they don't adopt WoW's system where everyone who tags a mob gets credit for it. Hell, even loot if it's an elite or your own faction tagged it.
But this is why WoW is WoW and the rest is... well... the rest. They use stupid, archaic systems out of some impression that all competition=fun. News flash, devs. It doesn't. Sometimes your ancient crap systems only represent frustration.
My SWTOR referral link for those wanting to give the game a try. (Newbies get a welcome package while returning players get a few account upgrades to help with their preferred status.)
Explain how the authentication issue that was causing people to get stuck at the splash screen during the EA launch is happening RIGHT NOW after the "haters" and "complainers" have already cut their losses. Wasn't this supposedly fixed by Neowiz?
Go.
"As far as the forum code of conduct, I would think it's a bit outdated and in need of a refre *CLOSED*"
I don't see why they don't adopt WoW's system where everyone who tags a mob gets credit for it. Hell, even loot if it's an elite or your own faction tagged it.
But this is why WoW is WoW and the rest is... well... the rest. They use stupid, archaic systems out of some impression that all competition=fun. News flash, devs. It doesn't. Sometimes your ancient crap systems only represent frustration.
Asian players differ from Western players. That's why, in a nutshell. Asian players like having to fight over grinding spots/etc which is why most of their games are all about owpvp and being able to force people out of your area when grinding. There's less of a reason to pvp if you could just share mobs like that.
I don't see why they don't adopt WoW's system where everyone who tags a mob gets credit for it. Hell, even loot if it's an elite or your own faction tagged it.
But this is why WoW is WoW and the rest is... well... the rest. They use stupid, archaic systems out of some impression that all competition=fun. News flash, devs. It doesn't. Sometimes your ancient crap systems only represent frustration.
Asian players differ from Western players. That's why, in a nutshell. Asian players like having to fight over grinding spots/etc which is why most of their games are all about owpvp and being able to force people out of your area when grinding. There's less of a reason to pvp if you could just share mobs like that.
That is just BS. You don't PvP your own faction. So tagging could easily be put into effect for faction only. You still could fight opposing players for grind spots and mobs.
I don't see why they don't adopt WoW's system where everyone who tags a mob gets credit for it. Hell, even loot if it's an elite or your own faction tagged it.
But this is why WoW is WoW and the rest is... well... the rest. They use stupid, archaic systems out of some impression that all competition=fun. News flash, devs. It doesn't. Sometimes your ancient crap systems only represent frustration.
Asian players differ from Western players. That's why, in a nutshell. Asian players like having to fight over grinding spots/etc which is why most of their games are all about owpvp and being able to force people out of your area when grinding. There's less of a reason to pvp if you could just share mobs like that.
Players only differ because that the games we know. Western players have to put up with gameplay they are not used to in Eastern MMOs and visa versa.
I don't see why they don't adopt WoW's system where everyone who tags a mob gets credit for it. Hell, even loot if it's an elite or your own faction tagged it.
But this is why WoW is WoW and the rest is... well... the rest. They use stupid, archaic systems out of some impression that all competition=fun. News flash, devs. It doesn't. Sometimes your ancient crap systems only represent frustration.
Asian players differ from Western players. That's why, in a nutshell. Asian players like having to fight over grinding spots/etc which is why most of their games are all about owpvp and being able to force people out of your area when grinding. There's less of a reason to pvp if you could just share mobs like that.
That is just BS. You don't PvP your own faction.
Can't say anything about Bless, but Archeage definitely permitted you to flag and kill your own faction.
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I think certain people prefer to be able to kill their own faction when they steal resources from you. When you clear a path to a crafting resource and along comes a person from your faction and steals it then an option to kill your own faction becomes attractive.
Why is this the only Early Access game that gets a review? That's a bit unfair. The devs have been clear for months that game was unfinished and would need a lot of work before being ready for official release. How about letting them go through that development process before reviewing it like you do for every other game?
I'm very disappointed in you MMORPG for doing this and Bill for letting it happen. I used to respect you guys for writing about a wide variety of games with a wide variety of opinions, but this is just jumping on the hate train for a game that is like any other at this stage of development.
If you are charging money it is fair game.
While I agree, another poster called @Leiloni a fanboy, and I wanted to chime in here just to say that I think that was an erroneous assessment. By my experience Leiloni has been a pretty chill and rational poster. Fanboying sucks, but there's not a completely distinct line between fanboying and simply being a fan of the genre and, as such, new releases in that genre because they both are rooted in the same emotion: excitement. I think Leiloni falls into that latter group here, not the former.
Go back and read her reply, the self righteous indignation, accusations of unfair treatment of this game by this sites editors, (which were inaccurate) claiming what I felt was a very reasonable review as jumping on the hate train.
If she falls into "the latter group" there is little evidence of that in her post.
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people hyped this game up expecting something it was never going to be at EA launch and then reality came crashing down, i'm still playing it with a big group of friends and we're having a blast, the lack of end game content atm sucks.. but the devs are commited to providing good communication to the community and are fast to release hotfixes and patches.
the concurrent users hardly speaks to what player numbers are actually like, due to the fact it's exactly that concurrent users and max daily concurrent users, that doesn't take into account different time zones etc... people who are waiting for more content, people who are waiting for class patches etc... it's just a number and as it stands it's performing a lot better then lots of other games on that list.
i knew exactly what i was getting into when i purchased this game, i didn't expect more than what i knew it would be, failing in other regions has very little to do with anything when they are trying to deliver a better newer experience to NA / EU... only time will tell if they have the chops to pull it off, but i commend them for taking the chance, owning up to their mistakes and trying to make the game better.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Bless is exactly what was advertised. Many ignored that completely or decided the advertisement was invalid. This had nothing to do with the game being good or bad.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
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You would have thought that Neowiz had learned something from screwing up in korea and russia but instead the game is crashing in another market. Let's blame this shitty release on the right people, business executives at Neowiz.
They did fuck all for the NA/EU release, the combat is half arsed, the translation is tragic and the best part is that the white knight go: "ermergherd give em time, it's just a small company, give indies a chance".
For that I've got a question. Are you idiots high or something? Neowiz is a fairly big company in KR with at least 470 employees. They knew what they were doing with NA/EU release, they got to somehow recoup that 60mil that they've spent on making this turd.
So they can take money for the product but you're not allowed to review it because "early access".
People want Bless to be something else then what it actually is because reasons, valid or not.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
In that sense, Bless is actually far more comparable to BDO (and maybe AA, can't remember if it was a region port).
Sorry, but when this isn't the title's first try at a launch but the third, you get very little slack. Specifically when you're taking cash for early access on the third.
EDIT- not only that, but they aren't even including all the game's content at release. They cut shit to make it easier to prepare for launch, then still released a dubious product despite that. No, I think at this point it deserves the negative publicity it is getting.
Struggling to find these in the adverts, maybe you can help?
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
But this is why WoW is WoW and the rest is... well... the rest. They use stupid, archaic systems out of some impression that all competition=fun. News flash, devs. It doesn't. Sometimes your ancient crap systems only represent frustration.
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Explain how the authentication issue that was causing people to get stuck at the splash screen during the EA launch is happening RIGHT NOW after the "haters" and "complainers" have already cut their losses. Wasn't this supposedly fixed by Neowiz?
Go.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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If she falls into "the latter group" there is little evidence of that in her post.
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon