Arena Net Firing: Games Media Rally To Defend Fired Guild Wars Dev

Quizzical

What really makes social media insidious is that the Internet never forgets.  It's one thing to say something stupid and almost immediately get fired for it.  If it was verbal and there's no written record from it, years later, you can basically pretend that it never happened.

Just wait until it turns into, someone hates you, so he digs into what you said on Twitter or Facebook or whatever twenty years ago.  He finds something that was maybe a little harsh, or maybe even reasonable and accepted at the time but in violation of future standards of political correctness.  So he publicizes what you said twenty years earlier to fire up an online mob and try to get you fired decades from now.

Asch126

I got a better title.

Games Media Rallies To Defend Sexist SJW And White Knight.

Also, people, do your damn research for once. She's been doing this for over a year, playing the sexism and victim card whenever someone has a different opinion, she insulted MULTIPLE PARTNERS [as in people ANet themselves recognize, meaning she SHOULD have known who they were], she laughed and smiled at Totalbiscuit's death, and she was let go from her previous job thanks to very similar reasons, along with actual complaints from the staff itself against her.

MadFrenchie

Slapshot1188 said:

Gorwe said:

Big.Daddy.Samedi said:

Gorwe said:

barasawa said:

Gorwe said:

Again, they(actually she, but meh) deserved it. But there is something oddly eerie and disturbing about getting fired over the content of your own private accounts / every day life.

If your bathroom is on the local street corner and made of clear glass, would you call that private? 
The account she used was personal, but as it was viewable by anyone that felt like it, it was in no way private.

Semantics. If you tell a guy in a store that your employer is an asshat, should you be fired? Technically, yes. Because someone can trace you back to where you work and how you cause "net negative" for your firm. Perfectly sound, but what about FREEDOM? Too much "thinking" in today's world imo.

The problem is that she has her work in her profile therefor causing her to be a representative of the company even when she is not on the clock.

Similar to your analogy it would be like getting off shift and outside the store, while still wearing company oriented clothing, badmouthing the customer for no reason other than they looked at you funny. AND THEN trying to get everyone else to badmouth them as well.

Ok, but think real hard about the power ANet handed over to the mob right now. Mob + power. Has this resulted in anything good? Ever?

But think real hard about what really happened.  SHE attempted to call down the power of the mob on some poor guy. SHE retweeted it and tried to make the world think that poor guy was some sexist jerk when in fact his exchange was one of the most polite things you can find on the internet.

Also, SHE started the conversation by saying she wanted to discuss the writing for PC characters thread.  It's not like some guy just hunted down her twitter and started harassing her.  She said she wanted to talk about this and then went insane when the most polite guy in the universe gave the mildest and most "slight" disagreement ever.  

If you are going to try and rally the internet against some poor guy then you had better be prepared to have it boomerang on you.  Karma, as they say, can be a real Bitch.

This.  She wasn't fired for merely presenting her opinion in a forceful manner, but literally attempting to put a customer and ANet promoter on blast publicly.  To act like her firing was knee-jerk from ANet, imo, is to not understand what she was actually doing.

She tried to rally a backlash against Deroir for comments that in no way deserved such backlash.

Folks acting chicken little on society about "internet mobs" have extremely short memories.  It wasn't that long ago EA told folks bitching about a female protagonist to shove it, basically.  No, this isn't mere internet mob usurping power from reason and decency, it's an employee insulting and attempting to rabble rouse against a completely polite and amicable customer and promoter.

FrodoFragins

Gorwe said:

Wylf said:

Gorwe said:

Ok, but think real hard about the power ANet handed over to the mob right now. Mob + power. Has this resulted in anything good? Ever?

It would appear that you believe that ArenaNet only fired her because the Mob called for her head. I respectfully disagree. Give the company some credit, they fired an employee who had a troubled past, who unjustifiably and maliciously attacked a respected member of the GW2 community, and then compounded the issue by slandering that member and trying to label him a sexist.

ArenaNet took the only reasonably action they could.

They also tossed them to the wolves. Starving, ravenous wolves. Oh, and the other guy probably got fired just because he is a he and so she couldn't pull discrimination bullshit on them. Free market can go and fuck itself. Employees need protection. She should've been just reprimanded, not fired.

This wasn't her first visit to this Rodeo. 

Solar_Prophet

maskedweasel said:

Phry said:

Mendel said:

A clear case of 'free speech having consequences'.  She spoke freely.  Consequences happened.

I don't think this is really a free speech issue, making public and personal attacks on others however without good reason is closer, although i've also heard the #getwokegobroke term being used with regard to this incident. The interesting thing though is that the 'usual suspects' in MSM are trying to spin the story around to her being the victim rather than the offender, honestly the mental gymnastics involved are truly worthy of a perfect 10

Well, in her defense, there were definitely other ways to handle it where she wouldn't have lost her job. She could have issued an apology, been put in some kind of training, and/or been requested to make her private account truly private, and if she declined to do that, then a firing would be in order....

I'm sorry, but nobody should need training to know that you don't insult paying customers for absolutely no reason. We (should) all have that training, and it's called common goddamn sense.

It wasn't her private Twitter. She listed her organization on her profile, even got the blue checkmark which means she went to the trouble of getting it verified. She discussed her work on it. Most of her followers do so because of where she works. For all intents and purposes, this was a work account. 

I think the fact that game 'journalists' are trying to endow her with the mantle of victimhood is absolutely disgusting. #Getwokegobroke #Hoistedbyherownpetard

Ungood

Big.Daddy.Samedi said:

**DELETED - Not Worth it**

And now.. you understand how Devs across all games suddenly feel about dealing with the public on their own time.

Ungood

I hate to break it to most of you.. but Game Devs think most (maybe all) of you are whiny crybaby assholes.. they are just paid to put up with your shit and try to make a pacifier that will shut you up.

Big.Daddy.Samedi

Gorwe said:

Wylf said:

Gorwe said:

Ok, but think real hard about the power ANet handed over to the mob right now. Mob + power. Has this resulted in anything good? Ever?

It would appear that you believe that ArenaNet only fired her because the Mob called for her head. I respectfully disagree. Give the company some credit, they fired an employee who had a troubled past, who unjustifiably and maliciously attacked a respected member of the GW2 community, and then compounded the issue by slandering that member and trying to label him a sexist.

ArenaNet took the only reasonably action they could.

They also tossed them to the wolves. Starving, ravenous wolves. Oh, and the other guy probably got fired just because he is a he and so she couldn't pull discrimination bullshit on them. Free market can go and fuck itself. Employees need protection. She should've been just reprimanded, not fired.

Had she let it end after the first shot... when the community member apologized and was going to leave it at that... she would have gotten nothing. The other employee stepped in to defend her and so go caught in the tangled web that was woven.

She wasn't thrown to the wolves.... It was more of she made the bed, and they made her sleep in it.

--These were all decisions that she made freely. No one goaded her, and no one made her hit POST

Asch126

Ungood said:

I hate to break it to most of you.. but Game Devs think most (maybe all) of you are whiny crybaby assholes.. they are just paid to put up with your shit and try to make a pacifier that will shut you up.

If that was true, this would happen a lot in every game company yet ones like Digital Extreme has devs that actively love their community and always try to communicate with them.

Sephiroso

Gorwe said:

Big.Daddy.Samedi said:

Gorwe said:

barasawa said:

Gorwe said:

Again, they(actually she, but meh) deserved it. But there is something oddly eerie and disturbing about getting fired over the content of your own private accounts / every day life.

If your bathroom is on the local street corner and made of clear glass, would you call that private? 
The account she used was personal, but as it was viewable by anyone that felt like it, it was in no way private.

Semantics. If you tell a guy in a store that your employer is an asshat, should you be fired? Technically, yes. Because someone can trace you back to where you work and how you cause "net negative" for your firm. Perfectly sound, but what about FREEDOM? Too much "thinking" in today's world imo.

The problem is that she has her work in her profile therefor causing her to be a representative of the company even when she is not on the clock.

Similar to your analogy it would be like getting off shift and outside the store, while still wearing company oriented clothing, badmouthing the customer for no reason other than they looked at you funny. AND THEN trying to get everyone else to badmouth them as well.

Ok, but think real hard about the power ANet handed over to the mob right now. Mob + power. Has this resulted in anything good? Ever?

Bakgrind said:

People are never going to learn that Social Media is the bane of mankind and should be avoided at all cost.   

Definitely, fuck them. Evil, evil things.

Anet didn't hand anything over. You're being dense right now. What she did is akin to a Walmart associate going to work, openly talking about some ideas on safety measures, and then a customer coming and saying as politely as possible if she could consider this one other change or if she has, why she didn't feel it was worth doing and then she attempted to verbally crucify them.

Well after they already tried to remove themselves from the "conversation" after the initial insult. You're fucking insane if you think Walmart isn't gonna fire an employee that does that. You're even more insane if you think Walmart SHOULDN'T have fired said employee. You do not treat your customer base like shit right to their faces. You can think all you want and talk private about them all you want, but you do not let that show. That's a cardinal sin when it comes to having a job that deals with clients be it retail, sales, or anything really.

Just because this exchange happened over the internet changes NOTHING yet you seem to think it does and keep saying dumb shit like "Arenanet handed over their power to the mob" and also labeling people upset at Jessica Price as a "mob" in the first fucking place. Get real.

Ungood

Asch126 said:

Ungood said:

I hate to break it to most of you.. but Game Devs think most (maybe all) of you are whiny crybaby assholes.. they are just paid to put up with your shit and try to make a pacifier that will shut you up.

If that was true, this would happen a lot in every game company yet ones like Digital Extreme has devs that actively love their community and always try to communicate with them.

Ahem.. Notice there is a massive amount of silence when it comes to game Devs talking with the public. Look at Anet, they have over 200 employees, and outside their direct PR department, I think like 6 actually talked with the general public (in the Sponsored AMA at least), less on Twitter, and now 2 have been fired.

Now.. Love their Community?.. Sure.. did you ever stop to think they are paid to say that? That dealing with the community is their Job, and their social time with any of you, is work related, so they are obviously going to say how much they love it, and how important and valuable you all are to them, and how they enjoy the feedback as it helps them.. or some other canned PR stuff like that.

There might be a few... a select few.. that do in fact enjoy interacting with the public, but they are exception.. the rare exception.

Sephiroso

Quizzical said:

What really makes social media insidious is that the Internet never forgets.  It's one thing to say something stupid and almost immediately get fired for it.  If it was verbal and there's no written record from it, years later, you can basically pretend that it never happened.

Just wait until it turns into, someone hates you, so he digs into what you said on Twitter or Facebook or whatever twenty years ago.  He finds something that was maybe a little harsh, or maybe even reasonable and accepted at the time but in violation of future standards of political correctness.  So he publicizes what you said twenty years earlier to fire up an online mob and try to get you fired decades from now.

Didn't stop the POTUS from becoming POTUS. Digging into people's past and using it against them has been a tactic long before social media, it will continue being a tactic long after social media. It works to varying degrees depending on the person. For some people it doesn't work at all e.g. Chris Brown and as previously stated Trump.

Asch126

Ungood said:

Asch126 said:

Ungood said:

I hate to break it to most of you.. but Game Devs think most (maybe all) of you are whiny crybaby assholes.. they are just paid to put up with your shit and try to make a pacifier that will shut you up.

If that was true, this would happen a lot in every game company yet ones like Digital Extreme has devs that actively love their community and always try to communicate with them.

Ahem.. Notice there is a massive amount of silence when it comes to game Devs talking with the public. Look at Anet, they have over 200 employees, and outside their direct PR department, I think like 6 actually talked with the general public (in the Sponsored AMA at least), less on Twitter, and now 2 have been fired.

Now.. Love their Community?.. Sure.. did you ever stop to think they are paid to say that? That dealing with the community is their Job, and their social time with any of you, is work related, so they are obviously going to say how much they love it, and how important and valuable you all are to them, and how they enjoy the feedback as it helps them.. or some other canned PR stuff like that.

There might be a few... a select few.. that do in fact enjoy interacting with the public, but they are exception.. the rare exception.

Did YOU ever stop to think that many of them actively go out of their way to interact with the playerbase?

Ungood

Sephiroso said:

Quizzical said:

What really makes social media insidious is that the Internet never forgets.  It's one thing to say something stupid and almost immediately get fired for it.  If it was verbal and there's no written record from it, years later, you can basically pretend that it never happened.

Just wait until it turns into, someone hates you, so he digs into what you said on Twitter or Facebook or whatever twenty years ago.  He finds something that was maybe a little harsh, or maybe even reasonable and accepted at the time but in violation of future standards of political correctness.  So he publicizes what you said twenty years earlier to fire up an online mob and try to get you fired decades from now.

Didn't stop the POTUS from becoming POTUS. Digging into people's past and using it against them has been a tactic long before social media, it will continue being a tactic long after social media. It works to varying degrees depending on the person. For some people it doesn't work at all e.g. Chris Brown and as previously stated Trump.

Trump owns controlling shares of his company and has his family on the BoD as such, no one could fire him.. he was and is the apex example of the most immune person in the world regarding this.

Some wage slave in a game company with a line of starry eyed dreams willing to light themselves on fire to get a chance at their job.. is about the least secure position you can have.

Sephiroso

Ungood said:

Sephiroso said:

Quizzical said:

What really makes social media insidious is that the Internet never forgets.  It's one thing to say something stupid and almost immediately get fired for it.  If it was verbal and there's no written record from it, years later, you can basically pretend that it never happened.

Just wait until it turns into, someone hates you, so he digs into what you said on Twitter or Facebook or whatever twenty years ago.  He finds something that was maybe a little harsh, or maybe even reasonable and accepted at the time but in violation of future standards of political correctness.  So he publicizes what you said twenty years earlier to fire up an online mob and try to get you fired decades from now.

Didn't stop the POTUS from becoming POTUS. Digging into people's past and using it against them has been a tactic long before social media, it will continue being a tactic long after social media. It works to varying degrees depending on the person. For some people it doesn't work at all e.g. Chris Brown and as previously stated Trump.

Trump owns controlling shares of his company and has his family on the BoD as such, no one could fire him.. he was and is the apex example of the most immune person in the world regarding this.

Some wage slave in a game company with a line of starry eyed dreams willing to light themselves on fire to get a chance at their job.. is about the least secure position you can have.

"Didn't stop the POTUS from becoming POTUS" if you read my comment you'd probably have saw i was talking about the elections. All those videos and past comments Trump made were of course shown during the elections before he got all this immunity, to showcase he was nothing but a hypocrite who would say anything for votes and yet it had no effect at all and he still won.

I wasn't talking about getting him fired from his own company or being impeached. Just like similarly i wasn't talking about Chris Brown being "fired". Merely talking about the effect of having people dig into your past and bring it up isn't some fucking magic wand that ruins peoples lives like some would believe.

maskedweasel

Solar_Prophet said:

maskedweasel said:

Phry said:

Mendel said:

A clear case of 'free speech having consequences'.  She spoke freely.  Consequences happened.

I don't think this is really a free speech issue, making public and personal attacks on others however without good reason is closer, although i've also heard the #getwokegobroke term being used with regard to this incident. The interesting thing though is that the 'usual suspects' in MSM are trying to spin the story around to her being the victim rather than the offender, honestly the mental gymnastics involved are truly worthy of a perfect 10

Well, in her defense, there were definitely other ways to handle it where she wouldn't have lost her job. She could have issued an apology, been put in some kind of training, and/or been requested to make her private account truly private, and if she declined to do that, then a firing would be in order....

I'm sorry, but nobody should need training to know that you don't insult paying customers for absolutely no reason. We (should) all have that training, and it's called common goddamn sense.

I'm of two minds on that.  The first one is... common sense isn't that common.  There are a lot of people that just don't know any better, and unfortunately that's a fact.  In this internet culture, very rude, racist and terrible things are thrown around a lot, especially on a lot of gaming sites, and people just consider them jokes, not taking into consideration what is actually highly offensive.

While that's not what happened in this particular situation, it would be naive to think that only one perception is reality for everyone, and yeah, sure, maybe Jessica Price is just 2 overweight trapeze artists underwater nuts, and she has no way to control her compulsion to not give a hoot how she treats other people, but in most cases, responses like this are in some way conditioned. 

I think that's somewhat where the misidentification of it being somehow sexist came into play.  Most people don't automatically jump to sexism from the 10th story window, they usually have been brought up a few flights of stairs before it gets to that point.

Again, not defending her actions at all, she was way wrong in how she treated not just this streamer but the other people who called her out for being a jerk.  But I think people like that sometimes need to have their actions explained to them, because obviously, especially if her history is as caustic as we're hearing, she hasn't learned any lessons, and punishment alone isn't getting through to her. 

:shrug: so yeah while nobody *should* need training on how to be a normal, well adjusted, non-asshole, people actually do.

Quizzical

Asch126 said:

Ungood said:

Asch126 said:

Ungood said:

I hate to break it to most of you.. but Game Devs think most (maybe all) of you are whiny crybaby assholes.. they are just paid to put up with your shit and try to make a pacifier that will shut you up.

If that was true, this would happen a lot in every game company yet ones like Digital Extreme has devs that actively love their community and always try to communicate with them.

Ahem.. Notice there is a massive amount of silence when it comes to game Devs talking with the public. Look at Anet, they have over 200 employees, and outside their direct PR department, I think like 6 actually talked with the general public (in the Sponsored AMA at least), less on Twitter, and now 2 have been fired.

Now.. Love their Community?.. Sure.. did you ever stop to think they are paid to say that? That dealing with the community is their Job, and their social time with any of you, is work related, so they are obviously going to say how much they love it, and how important and valuable you all are to them, and how they enjoy the feedback as it helps them.. or some other canned PR stuff like that.

There might be a few... a select few.. that do in fact enjoy interacting with the public, but they are exception.. the rare exception.

Did YOU ever stop to think that many of them actively go out of their way to interact with the playerbase?

Never mind going out of their way.  At least when I played their games, ArenaNet had basically no contact with their playerbase.  In Guild Wars 1, at one point, they had an event saying that their community manager was resigning.  As best as I could tell, that was the first time it had been announced that they ever had a community manager in the first place.  I don't recall the exact date, but I'm pretty sure that I had played the game for many months before then.

A lot of game companies try to solicit feedback from players in some official capacity, but ArenaNet didn't.  No official forums, no presence on the game's wiki, no visible mods in game, nothing.

Ungood

Sephiroso said:

Ungood said:

Sephiroso said:

Quizzical said:

What really makes social media insidious is that the Internet never forgets.  It's one thing to say something stupid and almost immediately get fired for it.  If it was verbal and there's no written record from it, years later, you can basically pretend that it never happened.

Just wait until it turns into, someone hates you, so he digs into what you said on Twitter or Facebook or whatever twenty years ago.  He finds something that was maybe a little harsh, or maybe even reasonable and accepted at the time but in violation of future standards of political correctness.  So he publicizes what you said twenty years earlier to fire up an online mob and try to get you fired decades from now.

Didn't stop the POTUS from becoming POTUS. Digging into people's past and using it against them has been a tactic long before social media, it will continue being a tactic long after social media. It works to varying degrees depending on the person. For some people it doesn't work at all e.g. Chris Brown and as previously stated Trump.

Trump owns controlling shares of his company and has his family on the BoD as such, no one could fire him.. he was and is the apex example of the most immune person in the world regarding this.

Some wage slave in a game company with a line of starry eyed dreams willing to light themselves on fire to get a chance at their job.. is about the least secure position you can have.

"Didn't stop the POTUS from becoming POTUS" if you read my comment you'd probably have saw i was talking about the elections. All those videos and past comments Trump made were of course shown during the elections before he got all this immunity, to showcase he was nothing but a hypocrite who would say anything for votes and yet it had no effect at all and he still won.

I wasn't talking about getting him fired from his own company or being impeached. Just like similarly i wasn't talking about Chris Brown being "fired". Merely talking about the effect of having people dig into your past and bring it up isn't some fucking magic wand that ruins peoples lives like some would believe.

Oh you mean like how it ruined Paula Dean? And that was vocal, it was not even written.

For every example you can find of that one person that.. shall I saw.. No kicked down, there are dozens that were.

Hence why it is used in the first place to discredit people.. because it is for the most part a magic wand that destroys lives.

Also, one last bit, the only reason Trump Won was because of who he was facing.. a fucking Potato would have been in office today if that was the Other Choice, and with that said, can you please spare us the political overtones.

Sephiroso

Ungood said:

Sephiroso said:

Ungood said:

Sephiroso said:

Quizzical said:

What really makes social media insidious is that the Internet never forgets.  It's one thing to say something stupid and almost immediately get fired for it.  If it was verbal and there's no written record from it, years later, you can basically pretend that it never happened.

Just wait until it turns into, someone hates you, so he digs into what you said on Twitter or Facebook or whatever twenty years ago.  He finds something that was maybe a little harsh, or maybe even reasonable and accepted at the time but in violation of future standards of political correctness.  So he publicizes what you said twenty years earlier to fire up an online mob and try to get you fired decades from now.

Didn't stop the POTUS from becoming POTUS. Digging into people's past and using it against them has been a tactic long before social media, it will continue being a tactic long after social media. It works to varying degrees depending on the person. For some people it doesn't work at all e.g. Chris Brown and as previously stated Trump.

Trump owns controlling shares of his company and has his family on the BoD as such, no one could fire him.. he was and is the apex example of the most immune person in the world regarding this.

Some wage slave in a game company with a line of starry eyed dreams willing to light themselves on fire to get a chance at their job.. is about the least secure position you can have.

"Didn't stop the POTUS from becoming POTUS" if you read my comment you'd probably have saw i was talking about the elections. All those videos and past comments Trump made were of course shown during the elections before he got all this immunity, to showcase he was nothing but a hypocrite who would say anything for votes and yet it had no effect at all and he still won.

I wasn't talking about getting him fired from his own company or being impeached. Just like similarly i wasn't talking about Chris Brown being "fired". Merely talking about the effect of having people dig into your past and bring it up isn't some fucking magic wand that ruins peoples lives like some would believe.

Oh you mean like how it ruined Paula Dean? And that was vocal, it was not even written.

For every example you can find of that one person that.. shall I saw.. No kicked down, there are dozens that were.

Hence why it is used in the first place to discredit people.. because it is for the most part a magic wand that destroys lives.

Also, one last bit, the only reason Trump Won was because of who he was facing.. a fucking Potato would have been in office today if that was the Other Choice, and with that said, can you please spare us the political overtones.

Let's put that to the test. I named Trump and Chris Brown so you owe me 2 dozen people. Once you reach 2 dozen i'll give you a few more names and i'll limit myself to incidents in just the last 2 years even.

Also there was no "the only reason" for why Trump won. It was a bunch of different reasons that added up to him cinching the win. Though i find it funny you make Hillary v Trump sound like the (was it mayor or govenor?) election in Alabama between the child molester and the democrat and how unbelievably close it was.

Ungood

Sephiroso said:

Ungood said:

Sephiroso said:

Ungood said:

Sephiroso said:

Quizzical said:

What really makes social media insidious is that the Internet never forgets.  It's one thing to say something stupid and almost immediately get fired for it.  If it was verbal and there's no written record from it, years later, you can basically pretend that it never happened.

Just wait until it turns into, someone hates you, so he digs into what you said on Twitter or Facebook or whatever twenty years ago.  He finds something that was maybe a little harsh, or maybe even reasonable and accepted at the time but in violation of future standards of political correctness.  So he publicizes what you said twenty years earlier to fire up an online mob and try to get you fired decades from now.

Didn't stop the POTUS from becoming POTUS. Digging into people's past and using it against them has been a tactic long before social media, it will continue being a tactic long after social media. It works to varying degrees depending on the person. For some people it doesn't work at all e.g. Chris Brown and as previously stated Trump.

Trump owns controlling shares of his company and has his family on the BoD as such, no one could fire him.. he was and is the apex example of the most immune person in the world regarding this.

Some wage slave in a game company with a line of starry eyed dreams willing to light themselves on fire to get a chance at their job.. is about the least secure position you can have.

"Didn't stop the POTUS from becoming POTUS" if you read my comment you'd probably have saw i was talking about the elections. All those videos and past comments Trump made were of course shown during the elections before he got all this immunity, to showcase he was nothing but a hypocrite who would say anything for votes and yet it had no effect at all and he still won.

I wasn't talking about getting him fired from his own company or being impeached. Just like similarly i wasn't talking about Chris Brown being "fired". Merely talking about the effect of having people dig into your past and bring it up isn't some fucking magic wand that ruins peoples lives like some would believe.

Oh you mean like how it ruined Paula Dean? And that was vocal, it was not even written.

For every example you can find of that one person that.. shall I saw.. No kicked down, there are dozens that were.

Hence why it is used in the first place to discredit people.. because it is for the most part a magic wand that destroys lives.

Also, one last bit, the only reason Trump Won was because of who he was facing.. a fucking Potato would have been in office today if that was the Other Choice, and with that said, can you please spare us the political overtones.

Let's put that to the test. I named Trump and Chris Brown so you owe me 2 dozen people. Once you reach 2 dozen i'll give you a few more names and i'll limit myself to incidents in just the last 2 years even.

Also there was no "the only reason" for why Trump won. It was a bunch of different reasons that added up to him cinching the win.

Here is 15.. and these are just Celebrities. 

Here are 35 more.. in case you needed them.

and those were just the ones that were high profile enough to get ruined again on these stupid lists.

There are I would wager many more that went under the radar.. and what exactly did Chris Brown survive though? He's has an open reputation of being gangsta thug an asshole, what did they find that he was really a devout christian who was still a virgin, never drank or did drugs, and was sponsoring a catholic church? 

Sephiroso

Ungood said:

Sephiroso said:

Ungood said:

Sephiroso said:

Ungood said:

Sephiroso said:

Quizzical said:

What really makes social media insidious is that the Internet never forgets.  It's one thing to say something stupid and almost immediately get fired for it.  If it was verbal and there's no written record from it, years later, you can basically pretend that it never happened.

Just wait until it turns into, someone hates you, so he digs into what you said on Twitter or Facebook or whatever twenty years ago.  He finds something that was maybe a little harsh, or maybe even reasonable and accepted at the time but in violation of future standards of political correctness.  So he publicizes what you said twenty years earlier to fire up an online mob and try to get you fired decades from now.

Didn't stop the POTUS from becoming POTUS. Digging into people's past and using it against them has been a tactic long before social media, it will continue being a tactic long after social media. It works to varying degrees depending on the person. For some people it doesn't work at all e.g. Chris Brown and as previously stated Trump.

Trump owns controlling shares of his company and has his family on the BoD as such, no one could fire him.. he was and is the apex example of the most immune person in the world regarding this.

Some wage slave in a game company with a line of starry eyed dreams willing to light themselves on fire to get a chance at their job.. is about the least secure position you can have.

"Didn't stop the POTUS from becoming POTUS" if you read my comment you'd probably have saw i was talking about the elections. All those videos and past comments Trump made were of course shown during the elections before he got all this immunity, to showcase he was nothing but a hypocrite who would say anything for votes and yet it had no effect at all and he still won.

I wasn't talking about getting him fired from his own company or being impeached. Just like similarly i wasn't talking about Chris Brown being "fired". Merely talking about the effect of having people dig into your past and bring it up isn't some fucking magic wand that ruins peoples lives like some would believe.

Oh you mean like how it ruined Paula Dean? And that was vocal, it was not even written.

For every example you can find of that one person that.. shall I saw.. No kicked down, there are dozens that were.

Hence why it is used in the first place to discredit people.. because it is for the most part a magic wand that destroys lives.

Also, one last bit, the only reason Trump Won was because of who he was facing.. a fucking Potato would have been in office today if that was the Other Choice, and with that said, can you please spare us the political overtones.

Let's put that to the test. I named Trump and Chris Brown so you owe me 2 dozen people. Once you reach 2 dozen i'll give you a few more names and i'll limit myself to incidents in just the last 2 years even.

Also there was no "the only reason" for why Trump won. It was a bunch of different reasons that added up to him cinching the win.

Here is 15.. and these are just Celebrities. 

Here are 35 more.. in case you needed them.

and those were just the ones that were high profile enough to get ruined again on these stupid lists.

There are I would wager many more that went under the radar.. and what exactly did Chris Brown survive though? He's has an open reputation of being gangsta thug an asshole, what did they find that he was really a devout christian who was still a virgin, never drank or did drugs, and was sponsoring a catholic church? 

Reading through all that clearly shows we're talking about 2 different things. Quizzical opened up the dialogue about the internet never forgetting things. And said "It's one thing to say some stupid shit and almost immediately get fired. But if it was verbal with no written record, years later you can pretend it never happened" What you're talking about is different from what i was responding to Quizzical about. He was talking about some random hater digging into someone's past unprovoked and using their past against them.

You're talking about people saying some stupid shit on social media and then suffering the immediate consequences. Quizzical alluded to understanding that(as do i) but again, you're talking about something separate from that.

Unless you didn't even read your own links. Anthony Weiler posted his dick pics to social media instead of a private text...of course he got shit for that which later brought out the whole affair scandal. Azelia Banks sending a streak of homophobic and racist tweets to Zayn Malik...yea no shit she got shit for that.

Iggy Azalea...first off since when was her career ruined? As the article says, she has a history of saying fucked up shit about many groups of people including blacks, mexicans, asians, and gay people. It says she had to cancel 1 event at a gay pride event because of protesters...that does not equal a ruined career.

I stopped there..it was obvious your links were bs and showed you don't understand where i was even coming from.

Ungood

Sephiroso said:

Ungood said:

Sephiroso said:

Ungood said:

Sephiroso said:

Ungood said:

Sephiroso said:

Quizzical said:

What really makes social media insidious is that the Internet never forgets.  It's one thing to say something stupid and almost immediately get fired for it.  If it was verbal and there's no written record from it, years later, you can basically pretend that it never happened.

Just wait until it turns into, someone hates you, so he digs into what you said on Twitter or Facebook or whatever twenty years ago.  He finds something that was maybe a little harsh, or maybe even reasonable and accepted at the time but in violation of future standards of political correctness.  So he publicizes what you said twenty years earlier to fire up an online mob and try to get you fired decades from now.

Didn't stop the POTUS from becoming POTUS. Digging into people's past and using it against them has been a tactic long before social media, it will continue being a tactic long after social media. It works to varying degrees depending on the person. For some people it doesn't work at all e.g. Chris Brown and as previously stated Trump.

Trump owns controlling shares of his company and has his family on the BoD as such, no one could fire him.. he was and is the apex example of the most immune person in the world regarding this.

Some wage slave in a game company with a line of starry eyed dreams willing to light themselves on fire to get a chance at their job.. is about the least secure position you can have.

"Didn't stop the POTUS from becoming POTUS" if you read my comment you'd probably have saw i was talking about the elections. All those videos and past comments Trump made were of course shown during the elections before he got all this immunity, to showcase he was nothing but a hypocrite who would say anything for votes and yet it had no effect at all and he still won.

I wasn't talking about getting him fired from his own company or being impeached. Just like similarly i wasn't talking about Chris Brown being "fired". Merely talking about the effect of having people dig into your past and bring it up isn't some fucking magic wand that ruins peoples lives like some would believe.

Oh you mean like how it ruined Paula Dean? And that was vocal, it was not even written.

For every example you can find of that one person that.. shall I saw.. No kicked down, there are dozens that were.

Hence why it is used in the first place to discredit people.. because it is for the most part a magic wand that destroys lives.

Also, one last bit, the only reason Trump Won was because of who he was facing.. a fucking Potato would have been in office today if that was the Other Choice, and with that said, can you please spare us the political overtones.

Let's put that to the test. I named Trump and Chris Brown so you owe me 2 dozen people. Once you reach 2 dozen i'll give you a few more names and i'll limit myself to incidents in just the last 2 years even.

Also there was no "the only reason" for why Trump won. It was a bunch of different reasons that added up to him cinching the win.

Here is 15.. and these are just Celebrities. 

Here are 35 more.. in case you needed them.

and those were just the ones that were high profile enough to get ruined again on these stupid lists.

There are I would wager many more that went under the radar.. and what exactly did Chris Brown survive though? He's has an open reputation of being gangsta thug an asshole, what did they find that he was really a devout christian who was still a virgin, never drank or did drugs, and was sponsoring a catholic church? 

Reading through all that clearly shows we're talking about 2 different things. Quizzical opened up the dialogue about the internet never forgetting things. And said "It's one thing to say some stupid shit and almost immediately get fired. But if it was verbal with no written record, years later you can pretend it never happened" What you're talking about is different from what i was responding to Quizzical about. He was talking about some random hater digging into someone's past unprovoked and using their past against them.

You're talking about people saying some stupid shit on social media and then suffering the immediate consequences. Quizzical alluded to understanding that(as do i) but again, you're talking about something separate from that.

Unless you didn't even read your own links. Anthony Weiler posted his dick pics to social media instead of a private text...of course he got shit for that which later brought out the whole affair scandal. Azelia Banks sending a streak of homophobic and racist tweets to Zayn Malik...yea no shit she got shit for that.

Iggy Azalea...first off since when was her career ruined? As the article says, she has a history of saying fucked up shit about many groups of people including blacks, mexicans, asians, and gay people. It says she had to cancel 1 event at a gay pride event because of protesters...that does not equal a ruined career.

I stopped there..it was obvious your links were bs and showed you don't understand where i was even coming from.

no more off the mark then your Chris Brown thing.

Quizzical

Sephiroso said:

Ungood said:

Sephiroso said:

Ungood said:

Sephiroso said:

Ungood said:

Sephiroso said:

Quizzical said:

What really makes social media insidious is that the Internet never forgets.  It's one thing to say something stupid and almost immediately get fired for it.  If it was verbal and there's no written record from it, years later, you can basically pretend that it never happened.

Just wait until it turns into, someone hates you, so he digs into what you said on Twitter or Facebook or whatever twenty years ago.  He finds something that was maybe a little harsh, or maybe even reasonable and accepted at the time but in violation of future standards of political correctness.  So he publicizes what you said twenty years earlier to fire up an online mob and try to get you fired decades from now.

Didn't stop the POTUS from becoming POTUS. Digging into people's past and using it against them has been a tactic long before social media, it will continue being a tactic long after social media. It works to varying degrees depending on the person. For some people it doesn't work at all e.g. Chris Brown and as previously stated Trump.

Trump owns controlling shares of his company and has his family on the BoD as such, no one could fire him.. he was and is the apex example of the most immune person in the world regarding this.

Some wage slave in a game company with a line of starry eyed dreams willing to light themselves on fire to get a chance at their job.. is about the least secure position you can have.

"Didn't stop the POTUS from becoming POTUS" if you read my comment you'd probably have saw i was talking about the elections. All those videos and past comments Trump made were of course shown during the elections before he got all this immunity, to showcase he was nothing but a hypocrite who would say anything for votes and yet it had no effect at all and he still won.

I wasn't talking about getting him fired from his own company or being impeached. Just like similarly i wasn't talking about Chris Brown being "fired". Merely talking about the effect of having people dig into your past and bring it up isn't some fucking magic wand that ruins peoples lives like some would believe.

Oh you mean like how it ruined Paula Dean? And that was vocal, it was not even written.

For every example you can find of that one person that.. shall I saw.. No kicked down, there are dozens that were.

Hence why it is used in the first place to discredit people.. because it is for the most part a magic wand that destroys lives.

Also, one last bit, the only reason Trump Won was because of who he was facing.. a fucking Potato would have been in office today if that was the Other Choice, and with that said, can you please spare us the political overtones.

Let's put that to the test. I named Trump and Chris Brown so you owe me 2 dozen people. Once you reach 2 dozen i'll give you a few more names and i'll limit myself to incidents in just the last 2 years even.

Also there was no "the only reason" for why Trump won. It was a bunch of different reasons that added up to him cinching the win.

Here is 15.. and these are just Celebrities. 

Here are 35 more.. in case you needed them.

and those were just the ones that were high profile enough to get ruined again on these stupid lists.

There are I would wager many more that went under the radar.. and what exactly did Chris Brown survive though? He's has an open reputation of being gangsta thug an asshole, what did they find that he was really a devout christian who was still a virgin, never drank or did drugs, and was sponsoring a catholic church? 

Reading through all that clearly shows we're talking about 2 different things. Quizzical opened up the dialogue about the internet never forgetting things. And said "It's one thing to say some stupid shit and almost immediately get fired. But if it was verbal with no written record, years later you can pretend it never happened" What you're talking about is different from what i was responding to Quizzical about. He was talking about some random hater digging into someone's past unprovoked and using their past against them.

You're talking about people saying some stupid shit on social media and then suffering the immediate consequences. Quizzical alluded to understanding that(as do i) but again, you're talking about something separate from that.

Unless you didn't even read your own links. Anthony Weiler posted his dick pics to social media instead of a private text...of course he got shit for that which later brought out the whole affair scandal. Azelia Banks sending a streak of homophobic and racist tweets to Zayn Malik...yea no shit she got shit for that.

Iggy Azalea...first off since when was her career ruined? As the article says, she has a history of saying fucked up shit about many groups of people including blacks, mexicans, asians, and gay people. It says she had to cancel 1 event at a gay pride event because of protesters...that does not equal a ruined career.

I stopped there..it was obvious your links were bs and showed you don't understand where i was even coming from.

Today, someone who hates you can't sift through your Twitter posts from 20 years ago because Twitter didn't exist 20 years ago.  Twenty years from now, that won't be the case.  And just wait until AI gets good at sifting through someone's posts looking for anything offensive.

I'm not sure how people will come to view stupid things said many years earlier.  Maybe people will eventually regard it as having an implicit statute of limitations and it doesn't matter if you said something stupid and offensive years ago.  Maybe regulations or convention will lead to social media sites hiding old posts after a while.

My argument is that, however insidious social media is now, there's obvious potential to get much, much worse.

immoralthang

I guess you can say she paid the Price!

postlarval

Bakgrind said:

People are never going to learn that Social Media is the bane of mankind and should be avoided at all cost.   

While I agree with you, posting on a forum is not that different than tweeting or posting on Facebook.

You say something. Other people like or dislike it. Some people post their opinions on what you said. Same thing, different platform.

If you feel so strongly about it, why are you posting in forums?