Folks need to keep in mind, no actual Elves were harmed during the making of these trailers......
You know, you keep mocking people for being interested in a game's story. Isn't that the point of games that actually HAVE lore? If you're not interested in the story, no one's forcing you to click the link...unless you just want to troll?
@Kyleran is often posting "tongue in cheek", you know...
I know but...meh. I just don't get the need. :P
A sign of when your taking something too serious is when you are no longer able to laugh about it.
@Kyleran s post was pure clean humor, the kind that warms ones belly
You know what is also warming? A giant tree on fire!
/Cheers, Lahnmir
'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Folks need to keep in mind, no actual Elves were harmed during the making of these trailers......
You know, you keep mocking people for being interested in a game's story. Isn't that the point of games that actually HAVE lore? If you're not interested in the story, no one's forcing you to click the link...unless you just want to troll?
@Kyleran is often posting "tongue in cheek", you know...
I know but...meh. I just don't get the need. :P
A sign of when your taking something too serious is when you are no longer able to laugh about it.
@Kyleran s post was pure clean humor, the kind that warms ones belly
You know what is also warming? A giant tree on fire!
/Cheers, Lahnmir
It was a missed opportunity to throw the most epic Burning Man Festival ever seen.
Peacechief? since when does being a WarChief involve carrying out acts of extreme dishonour, the Horde was never about that, it wasn't a Good Vs Evil, it was Alliance Vs Horde, Evil was always something both sides had to occasionally contend with, sometimes unite together against, if temporarily, Sylvannas betrayed the Horde in such a manner that there can be no coming back from that, it would not be unusual for the Horde and the Alliance to once again put aside their animosity and unite to 'deal' with Sylvannas on a more permanent basis.
If the lore does not matter, then your favourite MMORPG can do whatever nonsense it likes in the game. Think Daleks might be nonsensical in EVE, think again. Not sure how Hello Kitty is going to fit into BDO, well it will now.
This is not just about roleplaying, or immersion, but I will point out the RPG bit in MMORPG, it is about your game having some sort of coherent setting so you don't find the next missions are given out by the Teletubbies.
Peacechief? since when does being a WarChief involve carrying out acts of extreme dishonour, the Horde was never about that, it wasn't a Good Vs Evil, it was Alliance Vs Horde, Evil was always something both sides had to occasionally contend with, sometimes unite together against, if temporarily, Sylvannas betrayed the Horde in such a manner that there can be no coming back from that, it would not be unusual for the Horde and the Alliance to once again put aside their animosity and unite to 'deal' with Sylvannas on a more permanent basis.
Except under Thrall for the last few generations the Horde was trying to exterminate and conquer all life on Azeroth. They destroyed Dreanor, they were using people's souls to power their portal. Hell the Alliance enslaved and was systematically killing all the orcs. It is only our modern day since of "honor" in our own cultures that did not include razing cities and everyone in them.
If the lore does not matter, then your favourite MMORPG can do whatever nonsense it likes in the game. Think Daleks might be nonsensical in EVE, think again. Not sure how Hello Kitty is going to fit into BDO, well it will now.
This is not just about roleplaying, or immersion, but I will point out the RPG bit in MMORPG, it is about your game having some sort of coherent setting so you don't find the next missions are given out by the Teletubbies.
I guess that's the difference between the "fast food" gamers, who don't care about the context as long as they have a thrill, and the others.
I'm not trying to say that one way is wrong and the other right, but some definitely seek a bit more depth in those games than just pushing buttons to kill mobs or players to increase some virtual spreadsheet numbers.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
If the lore does not matter, then your favourite MMORPG can do whatever nonsense it likes in the game. Think Daleks might be nonsensical in EVE, think again. Not sure how Hello Kitty is going to fit into BDO, well it will now.
This is not just about roleplaying, or immersion, but I will point out the RPG bit in MMORPG, it is about your game having some sort of coherent setting so you don't find the next missions are given out by the Teletubbies.
I guess that's the difference between the "fast food" gamers, who don't care about the context as long as they have a thrill, and the others.
I'm not trying to say that one way is wrong and the other right, but some definitely seek a bit more depth in those games than just pushing buttons to kill mobs or players to increase some virtual spreadsheet numbers.
You must really hate Eve.
Yet Eve has deep lore... what do you mean ?
I thought the game was about making your own story/way in the universe, Guess iv been playing it wrong
This is just WoW trying to mimic the real world, except the people in the IRL Horde think what IRL Sylvannas does is perfectly fine. Actually a large portion of IRL Horde were always terrible, hateful, rabid mongrel beings, IRL Sylvannas is just a beacon.
Moral of my purposely silly post; IRL Horde and their IRL leader can't be reasoned with. They don't follow any consistent logic. They lie and contradict themselves ad nauseam. There will be another historically visceral IRL Horde vs IRL Alliance war if IRL Hordes reasonable tribes don't manage their angry, uneducated, cowardly, hateful brethren.
Now give me my LOLs and WTFs. Thank you.
"As far as the forum code of conduct, I would think it's a bit outdated and in need of a refre *CLOSED*"
Sylvanas has always been "evil" and "self-serving". It was the most endearing thing about her for the most part. It only became a problem when she represented all the Horde's races instead of just being the lovable Dark Lady where she could do her thing and no one would care or even pay attention to such until Garrosh.
Brain rot is the definitive outcome of imperfect resurrections and she isn't immune to such. She has grow more and more paranoid, sociopathic and schizophrenic as time has went on and we are only just reaching the bubbling point. Starting a war and wanting to murder her sisters, as well as the actions she did in BFA Alpha / Beta will increase. The statement about her making calculating and logical decisions to avoid all out war is borderline "fanyboyish" for lack of a better word. Making a martyr out of Malfurion is the last thing you want if your goal is to prevent a war -- as is attacking a capital city. Do you think she thinks Tyrande would back down after that? Has ANY race back down from such in recent history, especially with the defeat on the Broken Shore and how it rallied people?
She wanted more war and more death.
Though she did do one thing for the forsaken -- while she massacred the council in cold blood, it caused Greymane to see the undead in a new light and even admit he was wrong about them. It also resulted in the first known "perfect" resurrection when it came to Calia Menethil.
Due to frequent travel in my youth, English isn't something I consider my primary language (and thus I obtained quirky ways of writing). German and French were always easier for me despite my family being U.S. citizens for over a century. Spanish I learned as a requirement in school, Japanese and Korean I acquired for my youthful desire of anime and gaming (and also work now). I only debate in English to help me work with it (and limit things). In addition, I'm not smart enough to remain fluent in everything and typically need exposure to get in the groove of things again if I haven't heard it in a while. If you understand Mandarin, I know a little, but it has actually been a challenge and could use some help.
Also, I thoroughly enjoy debates and have accounts on over a dozen sites for this. If you wish to engage in such, please put effort in a post and provide sources -- I will then do the same with what I already wrote (if I didn't) as well as with my responses to your own. Expanding my information on a subject makes my stance either change or strengthen the next time I speak of it or write a thesis. Allow me to thank you sincerely for your time.
This is just WoW trying to mimic the real world, except the people in the IRL Horde think what IRL Sylvannas does is perfectly fine. Actually a large portion of IRL Horde were always terrible, hateful, rabid mongrel beings, IRL Sylvannas is just a beacon.
Moral of my purposely silly post; IRL Horde and their IRL leader can't be reasoned with. They don't follow any consistent logic. They lie and contradict themselves ad nauseam. There will be another historically visceral IRL Horde vs IRL Alliance war if IRL Hordes reasonable tribes don't manage their angry, uneducated, cowardly, hateful brethren.
I'm still wondering how Pokemon ended up in WoW lore.
On that I can only agree.
But that has always been a totally optional activity. Not an unavoidable part of the main lore deciding the future of the whole game.
I thought you were taking the mickey before Jean-Luc posted. Unbelievable, but they clearly have little regard for lore and think that games are like no other medium and can work to their own rules.
But that pet game is avoidable, there are worse offenders like sunshade cosmetics in worlds not set in the modern day or this which effects the lore with in game consequences.
MMO's are becoming a mush of modernity, where Pokémon, soccer and some form of Rocket League and Battle Royal are increasingly found everywhere.
I've never really played the horde cause i've never understood that "alliance". I really don't see the undead wanting anything else but to turn every living being in to an undead, just doesn't make sense to me... and orcs, taurens, trolls, goblins, they're all alive, why would the horde choose an undead as a warchief. Some of it is just bad writing...
Talking about games where thousands of players exist simultaneously in a single instance and mechanics related to such games.
Never played horde for to long. I would just delete them after lvl 20 or so. But this whole thing is the reason i can't stand story game play in mmo's anymore. So sick of the lame story of saving the world in all these mmo's lately. The player has to be the hero or some other BS. Older pre Wow mmo's had it right. Your just playing in an online world with others to have fun period. Just a citizen of the game world that helps people. No need for some world tragedy to make the game fun.
Played through the pre-patch quests on my Lock this weekend.. All I can say is good thing I made him Undead... Because otherwise, I would've felt quite guilty about how Darkshore plays out. I mean you're getting lines from the Alliance NPCs along the lines of: "I don't want to kill you, but I will if I must!" and "You truly have no honor."
It's pretty clear the NE were caught completely off-guard by the Horde's aggression and did not have any desire to fight with their recent allies against the Legion.
Played through the pre-patch quests on my Lock this weekend.. All I can say is good thing I made him Undead... Because otherwise, I would've felt quite guilty about how Darkshore plays out. I mean you're getting lines from the Alliance NPCs along the lines of: "I don't want to kill you, but I will if I must!" and "You truly have no honor."
It's pretty clear the NE were caught completely off-guard by the Horde's aggression and did not have any desire to fight with their recent allies against the Legion.
Honestly, read "A Good War" (novella linked 2 posts or so up). It provides a whole 'nother perspective and might give the "Saurfang fanfolk" another perspective on him as well. It's not great art, but it's a decent story.
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Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
This is not just about roleplaying, or immersion, but I will point out the RPG bit in MMORPG, it is about your game having some sort of coherent setting so you don't find the next missions are given out by the Teletubbies.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
Aloha Mr Hand !
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
Aloha Mr Hand !
Moral of my purposely silly post; IRL Horde and their IRL leader can't be reasoned with. They don't follow any consistent logic. They lie and contradict themselves ad nauseam. There will be another historically visceral IRL Horde vs IRL Alliance war if IRL Hordes reasonable tribes don't manage their angry, uneducated, cowardly, hateful brethren.
Now give me my LOLs and WTFs. Thank you.
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Aloha Mr Hand !
But that pet game is avoidable, there are worse offenders like sunshade cosmetics in worlds not set in the modern day or this which effects the lore with in game consequences.
MMO's are becoming a mush of modernity, where Pokémon, soccer and some form of Rocket League and Battle Royal are increasingly found everywhere.
Christ, this read like the worst of clickbait media BS.
If you're interested in the tie-in novellas, one dedicated to the Horde, the other to the Alliance:
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It's pretty clear the NE were caught completely off-guard by the Horde's aggression and did not have any desire to fight with their recent allies against the Legion.
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