I remember a long discussion here in this forum about "CIG has paid for high end computer systems for influencers to bribe them into reporting favorably about SC". A bubble that burst quickly as it became known that not CIG but a big computer company has sponsored these systems. So there is rumour, but little in the way of facts. And if one looks closer, these rumours usually turn out to be false.
I don't remember any proof being presented that CIG hadn't reached some sort of financial agreement with those PC companies. The hashtags were #IBuyPower#Intel#Star Citizen and seeing as CIG were directly involved with 2 out of 3 it was quite possible that they were directly involved with the 3rd.
What I did find funny was WTFOSaurus geting his top of the line PC and then playing other games instead because Star Citizen was so bad at that time.
I remember a long discussion here in this forum about "CIG has paid for high end computer systems for influencers to bribe them into reporting favorably about SC". A bubble that burst quickly as it became known that not CIG but a big computer company has sponsored these systems. So there is rumour, but little in the way of facts. And if one looks closer, these rumours usually turn out to be false.
I don't remember any proof being presented that CIG hadn't reached some sort of financial agreement with those PC companies. The hashtags were #IBuyPower#Intel#Star Citizen and seeing as CIG were directly involved with 2 out of 3 it was quite possible that they were directly involved with the 3rd.
What I did find funny was WTFOSaurus geting his top of the line PC and then playing other games instead because Star Citizen was so bad at that time.
You ARE aware that the #IBuyPower #Intel promo was something apart from Star Citizen, to promote the newest generation of Intel processors, are you not ?
".... Intel has given the top system builders one of
their most extreme processors, one of the fastest drives on the market, and a
challenge: Build the most powerful gaming rig imaginable.
And once again, the public will decide the champion. ..."
Have fun
PS:
Somehow there is an error in your logic. You say "I don't remember any proof being presented that CIG hadn't reached some sort of financial agreement with those PC companies." If CIG did NOT had an agreement and no such proof exists ... how could one present or NOT present that non-existant proof ? Double negatives are always a tricky thing ;-)
PPS:
>> ... were directly involved with 2 out of 3 ... >>>
Do you know what "illusory correlation" is in psychology?
You ARE aware that the #IBuyPower #Intel promo was something apart from Star Citizen, to promote the newest generation of Intel processors, are you not ?
".... Intel has given the top system builders one of
their most extreme processors, one of the fastest drives on the market, and a
challenge: Build the most powerful gaming rig imaginable.
And once again, the public will decide the champion. ..."
Have fun
Lol at you coming out with your guns blazing.... and no proof that there wasn't any sort of financial recompense paid by CIG, just some naffy marketing spiel...
It was not separatre from Star Citizen, how do you reach that conclusion?
I don't remember the names of all of the guys that got free PCs but here's WTFOSaurus' tweet
You've got to remember that all of these streamers were tiny fish in a massive pond, their viewer numbers were nothing to really speak of and yet for some reason IBuyPower, CyberPower, Intel etc singled out these guys to donate top end kit worth many thousands of dollars... that seems very unlikey to me.
You ARE aware that the #IBuyPower #Intel promo was something apart from Star Citizen, to promote the newest generation of Intel processors, are you not ?
".... Intel has given the top system builders one of
their most extreme processors, one of the fastest drives on the market, and a
challenge: Build the most powerful gaming rig imaginable.
And once again, the public will decide the champion. ..."
Have fun
Lol at you coming out with your guns blazing.... and no proof that there wasn't any sort of financial recompense paid by CIG, just some naffy marleting spiel...
It was not separatre from Star Citizen, how do you reach that conclusion?
I don't remember the names of all of the guys that got free PCs but here's WTFOSaurus' tweet
** snip **
You've got to remember that all of these streamers were tiny fish in a massive pond, their viewer numbers were nothing to really speak of and yet for some reason IBuyPower, CyberPower, Intel etc singled out these guys to donate top end kit worth many thousands of dollars... that seems very unlikey to me.
There is a whole long thread about this here on mmorpg.com
If you would remember that, you would know that he thanks CIG for the Optane, not the gaming rig. CIG was handing out over 100 free Optanes at GamesCom. CIG themselves got the free Optanes as a promo from Intel. CyberpowerPC was one of the "top system builders" mentioned in the Intel intro to their "IBuyPower" promo campaign.
Which all leads back to Intel being the sponsor behind this, not CIG.
But hey ... why not start the new year with rehashing old discussions, only to discover the same facts anew all over again.
Have fun
PS:
You will find many more (not SC related) reports about this promo campaign here
Somehow there is an error in your logic. You say "I don't remember any proof being presented that CIG hadn't reached some sort of financial agreement with those PC companies." If CIG did NOT had an agreement and no such proof exists ... how could one present or NOT present that non-existant proof ? Double negatives are always a tricky thing ;-)
PPS:
>> ... were directly involved with 2 out of 3 ... >>>
Do you know what "illusory correlation" is in psychology?
Addressing your edit separately as it came after my other response.
You were the one claiming, just a few posts up the thread, that evidence was posted refuting CIG's monetary involvement in the PC deals. Don't try and turn this on me. I simply said that I do not remember any evidence being posted.
That's fine Erillion, you can come up with all the pyschological terms you like but it doesn't change the fact that CIG's marketing was quite heavy at that time, they were pushing attention to their streamers quite a lot, they had their referral programme going, they had recently got invloved with Intel and so on, all of those things could easily have led to this "sponsorship" deal with some PCs being bought at a discounted price.
I'm not saying it unequivocably happened, I'm simply saying that it's quite possible given CIG's actions around that time.
Thank you. I was surprised to hear a definite claim without it being based in facts.
A lot of things are possible. I do not know what goes on behind the scenes. I guess you do not know either.
A double negative usually means a positive. So when someone posts : "... I don't remember any proof being presented that CIG hadn't reached some sort of financial agreement with those PC companies..." to me that reads like : "... I do remember any proof being presented that CIG had reached some sort of financial agreement with those PC companies...". Which may not be the meaning you intended.
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CIG's marketing was quite heavy at that time >>>
CIGs marketing is heavy at all times ;-) Got them a world record ;-)
a game that probably just about everybody knows about (white knights can thank
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... can thank thousands of fans posting breathtaking SC videos on YouTube.
... can thank hundreds of journalists for always interesting articles about SC
There are still millions of people that never heard about Star Citizen. Some big publishers spend more on marketing than on developing a game. TV ads especially seem to be incredibly expensive. So far the only computer game ads i have seen in TV are: WoW, Just Cause, FarCry.
Have fun
You and a few others are always going on how ya haters are keeping SC on the front page for people to find out about so like I said you can thank us for the free advertising.
You ARE aware that the #IBuyPower #Intel promo was something apart from Star Citizen, to promote the newest generation of Intel processors, are you not ?
".... Intel has given the top system builders one of
their most extreme processors, one of the fastest drives on the market, and a
challenge: Build the most powerful gaming rig imaginable.
And once again, the public will decide the champion. ..."
Have fun
Lol at you coming out with your guns blazing.... and no proof that there wasn't any sort of financial recompense paid by CIG, just some naffy marleting spiel...
It was not separatre from Star Citizen, how do you reach that conclusion?
I don't remember the names of all of the guys that got free PCs but here's WTFOSaurus' tweet
** snip **
You've got to remember that all of these streamers were tiny fish in a massive pond, their viewer numbers were nothing to really speak of and yet for some reason IBuyPower, CyberPower, Intel etc singled out these guys to donate top end kit worth many thousands of dollars... that seems very unlikey to me.
There is a whole long thread about this here on mmorpg.com
If you would remember that, you would know that he thanks CIG for the Optane, not the gaming rig. CIG was handing out over 100 free Optanes at GamesCom. CIG themselves got the free Optanes as a promo from Intel. CyberpowerPC was one of the "top system builders" mentioned in the Intel intro to their "IBuyPower" promo campaign.
Which all leads back to Intel being the sponsor behind this, not CIG.
But hey ... why not start the new year with rehashing old discussions, only to discover the same facts anew all over again.
Have fun
PS:
You will find many more (not SC related) reports about this promo campaign here
I don’t know. that WTFOSAURUS tweet sounds a lot like he thanked CIG along with intel and cyberpower for the beast of a gaming rig. I’m sure intel and cyber power footed some of the bill but there’s a good chance CIG footed some as well. To think they are free and clear would be silly
You and a few others are always going on how ya haters are keeping SC on the front page for people to find out about so like I said you can thank us for the free advertising.
I don’t know. that WTFOSAURUS tweet sounds a lot like he thanked CIG along with intel and cyberpower for the beast of a gaming rig. I’m sure intel and cyber power footed some of the bill but there’s a good chance CIG footed some as well. To think they are free and clear would be silly
I watched part of one of the unboxing streams. The streamers were given a gaming rig with I9 and Optane by CIG, Intel and CyberpowerPC, not separate components.
Star Citizen fans are just intentionally reading the tweet wrong to make it seem like something other.
I don’t know. that WTFOSAURUS tweet sounds a lot like he thanked CIG along with intel and cyberpower for the beast of a gaming rig. I’m sure intel and cyber power footed some of the bill but there’s a good chance CIG footed some as well. To think they are free and clear would be silly
>>> there’s a good chance CIG footed some as well. >>>
They did. WTFOSAURUS got the free Optane from CIG. The same Optane that CIG got from Intel (Intel gave CIG over a hundred of them for free, to distribute at GamesCom and to a few others). At GamesCom it was a random drawing, based on your ticket number. Maybe also for the "best costume" winners, if i remember correctly.
I don’t know. that WTFOSAURUS tweet sounds a lot like he thanked CIG along with intel and cyberpower for the beast of a gaming rig. I’m sure intel and cyber power footed some of the bill but there’s a good chance CIG footed some as well. To think they are free and clear would be silly
I watched part of one of the unboxing streams. The streamers were given a gaming rig with I9 and Optane by CIG, Intel and CyberpowerPC, not separate components.
Star Citizen fans are just intentionally reading the tweet wrong to make it seem like something other.
Star Citzen fans are reading the tweets .. not only that one, but also the others e.g.
Intel was giving away the same rigs on their own site, CIG also jumped in to promote Intel's hardware, what is not anything new because Intel and CIG have partnered multiple times now where Intel has sponsored CIG.
Intel was partnering with CyberpowerPC on their own site promotion as well, it wasn't CIG who did partner with them it was through Intel, this something they made use of.
We already been through this once, and it was clear enough on Intel's own giveaway site promotion.
Erillion's tries to revise history, gets asked for a bit of proof and he goes off the rails while trying to blame other people for rehashing an old topic.
Here's the thing Erillion, if you hadn't made your spurious claim no-one would feel the need to pull you up on it.
Now you're posting tweets as though they back up your side of events despite there being other tweets that directly counter it. Talk about digging yourself a hole, just get off the whole "CIG are beyond criticism" stance and bow out gracefully for once in your life....
Erillion's tries to revise history, gets asked for a bit of proof and he goes off the rails while trying to blame other people for rehashing an old topic.
Here's the thing Erillion, if you hadn't made your spurious claim no-one would feel the need to pull you up on it.
Now you're posting tweets as though they back up your side of events despite their being other tweets that directly counter it. Talk about digging yourself a hole, just get off the whole "CIG are beyond criticism" stance and bow out gracefully for once in your life....
Haven't we had this discussion once?!
Don't you remember when I linked the Intel giveaway site where they were giving out the same rigs from also CyberPowerPC on a public giveaway?
Why is it so hard to get the hint on who sponsored the hardware? O___o
Intel was giving away the same rigs on their own site, CIG also jumped in to promote Intel's hardware, what is not anything new because Intel and CIG have partnered multiple times now where Intel has sponsored CIG.
Intel was partnering with CyberpowerPC on their own site promotion as well, it wasn't CIG who did partner with them it was through Intel, this something they made use of.
We already been through this once, and it was clear enough on Intel's own giveaway site promotion.
Erillion called that sort of thinking "illusory correlation".
Is there any proof that is what occured or is it what some people would like to believe occured? I couldn't care less about the PCs or CIG's involvement but I do think people should avoid trying to rewrite history or declare things as undeniable facts unless they can back it up,
I don’t know. that WTFOSAURUS tweet sounds a lot like he thanked CIG along with intel and cyberpower for the beast of a gaming rig. I’m sure intel and cyber power footed some of the bill but there’s a good chance CIG footed some as well. To think they are free and clear would be silly
I watched part of one of the unboxing streams. The streamers were given a gaming rig with I9 and Optane by CIG, Intel and CyberpowerPC, not separate components.
Star Citizen fans are just intentionally reading the tweet wrong to make it seem like something other.
Star Citzen fans are reading the tweets .. not only that one, but also the others e.g.
Vrika said: Also note other streamers who got new PCs at that time and told RSI was giving the PCs together with others:
Giving because they most likely chose the streamers that would be given them, that does not mean financially sponsoring especially when advertising is involved.
It's also common the promotions where different companies provide different things, on such case Erillion bit that CIG provided the Octanes is well realistic because CIG did giveaway Octanes to backers as Intel sponsored them before.
These guys got computers (especially processors) from Intel as part of a promo campaign unrelated to SC.
The computers were put together by a PC Company (in this case Cyberpower PC).
The Optane in this computer came from CIG, which got it from Intel before that.
So Everything (!) in there came ultimately from Intel, not CIG.
So you do agree that the streamers were given those computers by CIG, Intel, and a PC company (in this case CyberpowerPC).
I'm not going to start speculating who gave what part of the computer. The three companies agreed to give streamer a complete computer together, and they gave the complete computer together.
These guys got computers (especially processors) from Intel as part of a promo campaign unrelated to SC.
The computers were put together by a PC Company (in this case Cyberpower PC).
The Optane in this computer came from CIG, which got it from Intel before that.
So Everything (!) in there came ultimately from Intel, not CIG.
So you do agree that the streamers were given those computers by CIG, Intel, and a PC company (in this case CyberpowerPC).
I'm not going to start speculating who gave what part of the computer. The three companies agreed to give streamer a complete computer together, and they gave the complete computer together.
Yes but we can’t have the possibility that CIG spent backer money, money they said would only go towards development, on gaming rigs as a marketing ploy so everyone except the white knights are reading the tweets wrong and CIG spent nothing but they just happen to be included in the thanks for the gaming rigs with the hashtag sponsor
So Everything (!) in there came ultimately from Intel, not CIG.
Just lol Erillion, just fraking lol
You're always asking people for proof but now you seem so unwilling to provide any yourself...
That's why I didn't bother getting trapped in a 10-page back and forth about the existence of "Shills".
We're all suppose to believe he doesn't know what a shill is or that CIG pays them directly or indirectly via marketing firms to say nice things about the game.
Or gives free stuff of monetary value to certain approved streamers.
Or give compensation of items with monetary value for reaching Referral Code milestones.
Or CIG pulling advertisements from Gaming Sites that write negative articles.
Or CIG blacklist embargo on gaming journalists that write negative articles, which means no access to the studio, which means less content, which means less traffic, which means less money for journalists. So, if gaming journalists want access, content, and traffic, then they have to write CIG (or any studio) approved articles.
The common denominators here are APPROVAL and MONEY.
Oh look at that, CIG just sold 10% of their company for $46M, which just so happens to be earmarked for marketing. That's a lot of shills. I mean radio ads.
Kefo said: ...money they said would only go towards development....
Uhh... Educative moment: Hmmm, seems they have almost 9 million dollars a year on income beyond the pledges, those that indeed are said to go back towards development. Shocker huh?
Fact is, they can spend money on marketing without spending the money from the crowdfund, obviously stuff as this is ignored when these topics are brought up with the usual "boo evil CIG spending backer money on X or Y!" narrative.
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What I did find funny was WTFOSaurus geting his top of the line PC and then playing other games instead because Star Citizen was so bad at that time.
Build the most powerful gaming rig imaginable. And once again, the public will decide the champion. ..."
It was not separatre from Star Citizen, how do you reach that conclusion?
I don't remember the names of all of the guys that got free PCs but here's WTFOSaurus' tweet
You've got to remember that all of these streamers were tiny fish in a massive pond, their viewer numbers were nothing to really speak of and yet for some reason IBuyPower, CyberPower, Intel etc singled out these guys to donate top end kit worth many thousands of dollars... that seems very unlikey to me.
You were the one claiming, just a few posts up the thread, that evidence was posted refuting CIG's monetary involvement in the PC deals. Don't try and turn this on me. I simply said that I do not remember any evidence being posted.
That's fine Erillion, you can come up with all the pyschological terms you like but it doesn't change the fact that CIG's marketing was quite heavy at that time, they were pushing attention to their streamers quite a lot, they had their referral programme going, they had recently got invloved with Intel and so on, all of those things could easily have led to this "sponsorship" deal with some PCs being bought at a discounted price.
I'm not saying it unequivocably happened, I'm simply saying that it's quite possible given CIG's actions around that time.
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Star Citizen fans are just intentionally reading the tweet wrong to make it seem like something other.
Intel was partnering with CyberpowerPC on their own site promotion as well, it wasn't CIG who did partner with them it was through Intel, this something they made use of.
We already been through this once, and it was clear enough on Intel's own giveaway site promotion.
Erillion's tries to revise history, gets asked for a bit of proof and he goes off the rails while trying to blame other people for rehashing an old topic.
Here's the thing Erillion, if you hadn't made your spurious claim no-one would feel the need to pull you up on it.
Now you're posting tweets as though they back up your side of events despite there being other tweets that directly counter it. Talk about digging yourself a hole, just get off the whole "CIG are beyond criticism" stance and bow out gracefully for once in your life....
Don't you remember when I linked the Intel giveaway site where they were giving out the same rigs from also CyberPowerPC on a public giveaway?
Why is it so hard to get the hint on who sponsored the hardware? O___o
Is there any proof that is what occured or is it what some people would like to believe occured?
I couldn't care less about the PCs or CIG's involvement but I do think people should avoid trying to rewrite history or declare things as undeniable facts unless they can back it up,
"Jumping into some @StarCitizen today with the #i9 #Optane Beast build from @IntelGaming @RobertsSpaceInd and @CYBERPOWERPC then checking out all NEW ATV together!"
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WTFOSAURUS @wtfosaurus 21 Apr 2018
"Awesome first day with the #i9 #Optane beast rig from @IntelGaming @RobertsSpaceInd and @CYBERPOWERPC!"
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Also note other streamers who got new PCs at that time and told RSI was giving the PCs together with others:
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"Shout out to @iBUYPOWER @IntelStorage @RobertsSpaceInd for the awesome PC!"
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These guys got computers (especially processors) from Intel as part of a promo campaign unrelated to SC.
The computers were put together by a PC Company (in this case Cyberpower PC).
The Optane in this computer came from CIG, which got it from Intel before that.
So Everything (!) in there came ultimately from Intel, not CIG.
And these guys say thank you, because they just got a new high end rig.
Have fun
It's also common the promotions where different companies provide different things, on such case Erillion bit that CIG provided the Octanes is well realistic because CIG did giveaway Octanes to backers as Intel sponsored them before.
I'm not going to start speculating who gave what part of the computer. The three companies agreed to give streamer a complete computer together, and they gave the complete computer together.
You're always asking people for proof but now you seem so unwilling to provide any yourself...
We're all suppose to believe he doesn't know what a shill is or that CIG pays them directly or indirectly via marketing firms to say nice things about the game.
Or gives free stuff of monetary value to certain approved streamers.
Or give compensation of items with monetary value for reaching Referral Code milestones.
Or CIG pulling advertisements from Gaming Sites that write negative articles.
Or CIG blacklist embargo on gaming journalists that write negative articles, which means no access to the studio, which means less content, which means less traffic, which means less money for journalists. So, if gaming journalists want access, content, and traffic, then they have to write CIG (or any studio) approved articles.
The common denominators here are APPROVAL and MONEY.
Oh look at that, CIG just sold 10% of their company for $46M, which just so happens to be earmarked for marketing. That's a lot of shills. I mean radio ads.
Hmmm, seems they have almost 9 million dollars a year on income beyond the pledges, those that indeed are said to go back towards development. Shocker huh?
Fact is, they can spend money on marketing without spending the money from the crowdfund, obviously stuff as this is ignored when these topics are brought up with the usual "boo evil CIG spending backer money on X or Y!" narrative.